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Bodzilla
April 18th, 2011, 10:41 AM
Theres been an old saying since the start of SC2 that Zerg players are playing twice as hard as their opponents in the lower leagues.
i'm hear to tell you it's true, and it's hilarious.

Today for some lulz i told a protoss player that his race was OP and that i hate protoss and that i was gunna 6 pool the cunt into the stoneage.

Protoss and terran players have a nasty habit of just doing build orders in the lower leagues, they just do a 4 warp gate, or a 3 rax or blah blah blah blah, because it's so easy for them to dictate play, seeing as the Zerg has to choose when to drone and make units.
Protoss and T's just build so many buildings per base and make sure thy're all producing.

But this means they're TERRIBLE at reading play.
like i mean BAD.

If you tell a Protoss player in plat (or lower) that you hate protoss and they're OP and that your going to 6 pool him, then throw down an 11 pool, pop 4 lings kill his drone and then expand at 18.
He will think your actually 6 pooling.

the funniest thing i saw was a gateway into forge into cannons into gateway before cyber.






Have you got any idea how late that makes warp gate,
lmfao.

and they tend to respond in 2 different ways,
they try to go for the latest 4 gate in the world, which is so unbelievably easy to hold off, or they go for pheonix/voidray.
scout which one it is, build some roaches, queens and spines and you will kill them outright.


but the best part is it's Funny as FUCK. because if they try to expand, hey they've got no units, guess i'll just kill it with some roaches xD

This is the stupidist strat in the world, but so far i've go the last 5 ou of 6 protoss players to believe it.
so what does that say about the average protoss.

lmao,
try it it's lulzy
Zilla~

Rainbow Dash
April 18th, 2011, 12:31 PM
IM BODZILLA AND I AM THE ONLY PERSON WHO HASNT REALIZED THAT TOSS IS THE MOST UP RACE IN THE WHOLE GAME

n00b1n8R
April 18th, 2011, 05:12 PM
4 lings pop and the pool is only half done when the probe gets there and they think it's 6pool?

ruh roh

Bodzilla
April 18th, 2011, 07:06 PM
i know. It's hilarious.

sevlag
April 18th, 2011, 08:41 PM
i know. It's hilarious.
this made my day

Phopojijo
April 18th, 2011, 08:57 PM
4 lings pop and the pool is only half done when the probe gets there and they think it's 6pool?

ruh roh4 lings pop and the pool is only half done, you're hackin' bro.

n00b1n8R
April 18th, 2011, 11:54 PM
4 lings pop and the pool is only half done, you're hackin' bro.
You know what I mean. :p

NullZero
April 19th, 2011, 09:41 AM
This thread needs moar gameplays!

But on a serious note, I don't understand the strat because I don't know the terminology here, but a vid of this would be interesting to watch.

n00b1n8R
April 19th, 2011, 07:50 PM
Zilla tells his opponent he's going for a cheesy-ass ling rush. He makes it sort of look like it to somebody who doesn't have a clue so the opponent assumes its real. He then transitions into basically standard zerg play while the protoss puts himself way behind by going ultra defensive to hold the ling rush that isn't coming.

He then does something else dumb and looses.

Bodzilla
April 19th, 2011, 09:36 PM
~

Cortexian
April 19th, 2011, 11:28 PM
Winning and losing matters? I thought games were supposed to be fun? What are these build orders you guys are talking about? WTF is this shit.

Only play with friends in customs~

Bodzilla
April 20th, 2011, 02:07 AM
turns out your not just a scrub at moderating!~

n00b1n8R
April 20th, 2011, 05:31 PM
Winning and losing matters? I thought games were supposed to be fun? What are these build orders you guys are talking about? WTF is this shit.

Only play with friends in customs~
I hope you don't waste people's time on ladder, this game clearly isn't for you.

Cortexian
April 24th, 2011, 10:49 PM
I lose every game I play in matchmaking. No lie.

sevlag
April 25th, 2011, 11:19 AM
I lose every game I play in matchmaking. No lie.
so im not the worst one here?

Bodzilla
April 26th, 2011, 03:29 AM
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: wow
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: toss is bad
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: i didnt even say i was gunna 6 pool him
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: he sees the pool
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: and i go early pool ^_^
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: PANIC MODE
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: NOW IS THE TIME TO PANIC
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: compoeely unravels hey
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: 1 bad player means whole race is baddie?
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: no i mean bro
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: i've had like 9 out of 10 protoss
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: do it
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: like literally
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: i've fooled nearly every one
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: it's rediculous
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: 4gate powa
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: bam every time
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: oh shi you scouted my arly pool
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: better throw up additional buildings
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: then transition ino 4 gate
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: oh fuck
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: better get voids!
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: Every protoss ever.
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: i'd never go voids
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: blink stalker vOv
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: i jstu had 4 gate blink stalker
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: or chargelot rush
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: ever protoss ever.
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: actually +1 5gate zealot
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: is going to be my new counter to ling rush
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: (so many z's are doing hard 6-10 pools)
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: lol
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: but seriously
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: P needs to L2 read play
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: i mean shit
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: if i'm making a queen
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: and an early pool
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: am i really gunna ling rush you.
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: seriously.
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: _you can scout queens while a pool is starting_
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: if i see gas then it's obv not
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: of course i'm not going gass
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: i'm going 11 pool
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: but otherwise they all look the same unless you're lava counting
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: >_<
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: um if i'm building a queen.
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: i ain making lings.
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: P easy tell bro
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: why can't you do both
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: why cant you open with 4 gates 1 minute un
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: tech requirements
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: resources.
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: how can i ling rush you
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: AND build a queen
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: instantly
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: .
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: you can't fucking see the queen untill it's out
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: oh your a bad Protoss
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: and if you don't react to a 6pool by the time a queen would normally be out
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: your another Bad toss.
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: and he 6pools
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: you die
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: daym son
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: if only there was some kind of way
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: to see if a building was building units
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: but alas it's impossible
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: many people have tried
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: but no one has an answer
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: drones look like lings in coccoons
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: it's one of those great mystery's
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: I"M BUILDING A FUCKIGN QUEEN DIPSHIT
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: where you think the queen comes from
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: lmfao
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: BAD TOSS.
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: HOW CAN YOU TELL A QUEEN IS BUILDING
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: bad playuer
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS MOVING
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: LIKE EVERY BUILDING IN THE GAME EVER.
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: EVER.
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: BAD n00b Bad Toss
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: the hatch moves for all sorts of shit
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: death to scrubtoss
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: it's not nearly as obvious as "the crystal is a circle" or "the lights rae flashing"
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: the hatch moves ey
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: for lets see
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: lair, hive
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: OL speed, Drops
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: burrow.
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: how many of them
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: are hatch tech bro
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: oh and queens
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: hatches can research all of those once you get lair
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: B-a-D
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: Bee
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: btw
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: Ay
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: De
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: DO I HAVE A LAIR 2 MINUTES IN TEH GAME?
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: oh thats right
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: your a bad player
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: lmfao
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: i'm not saying you fucking do
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: dude i never knew there was an animation for queens
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: now i do i'll tuck that into my bag of little tricks
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: it's not a particularly obvious thing
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: vOv
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: oh come on.
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: it's cause you guys dont have to have HALF the game sense that zergs do
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: and just do cool little build orders.
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: all day erry day
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: so Bad
[Muppets] Commodore: Bodzilla: :gregfeilds:
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: i can only think of an early pool being a situation where anybody would need to be able to tell a queen is building
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: out of ZvZ
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: sooo
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: what actually moves btw?
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R: does it just giggle or?
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R is now Away.
-=AWOL=- n00b1n8R is now Online.


This is the reason why every zerg crys.

n00b1n8R
April 26th, 2011, 05:54 AM
Because we don't have to recognize building animations?
talk about bitch race :lol:

Bodzilla
April 26th, 2011, 12:19 PM
because you literally half the game understanding then we do.
yet with some cool builds your able to breeze through ladder.

Dwood
April 26th, 2011, 02:09 PM
When I had the game I was happier with playing zerg knowing I was putting full effort into it, than T or P where they don't put half so much effort into the game...

After getting pro with Toss I tried playing as a Zerg player and loved it, even though my W/L suffered.

being 52/48 w/l %s is more satisfying, as opposed to 60/40% without effort

Cortexian
April 26th, 2011, 02:45 PM
People who use build orders must only play competitively, I've tried it before and it was boring. That's the opposite of what games are supposed to be by the way!

Phopojijo
April 26th, 2011, 03:26 PM
@Dwood - Part of that though is because Heart of the Swarm is coming. It should be a very different game then. Actually all the races have very few options for how they wish to play the game... so we need quite a few more units. (I didn't say not how effective each way is... I just said there's not many options).

n00b1n8R
April 26th, 2011, 08:03 PM
because you literally half the game understanding then we do.
yet with some cool builds your able to breeze through ladder.
I had literally half the game understanding you do right? Because I didn't know the queen has a building animation? Ok, sure.

Also Z have BO's too bro, hth.

(gold as fuck)

Pooky
April 26th, 2011, 08:14 PM
People who use build orders must only play competitively, I've tried it before and it was boring. That's the opposite of what games are supposed to be by the way!

Every RTS has build orders. If you're not building things in a certain order, then you're just being random which is the opposite of strategy.

Cortexian
April 27th, 2011, 12:22 AM
I wasn't talking about the build orders you have to do to tech tree, that's obvious. I'm talking about the people that build one thing, in the same grid pattern, over and over just because it works.

Where's the fun in that?

The best 'toss strat is to just build 3 layer deep cannons around your entire base and mass carriers.

n00b1n8R
April 27th, 2011, 02:46 AM
I wasn't talking about the build orders you have to do to tech tree, that's obvious. I'm talking about the people that build one thing, in the same grid pattern, over and over just because it works.

Where's the fun in that?

The best 'toss strat is to just build 3 layer deep cannons around your entire base and mass carriers.
Look out kids, this guy is Huk tier!

Cortexian
April 27th, 2011, 02:52 AM
mass cannon ftw

Phopojijo
April 27th, 2011, 03:56 AM
Helps for that survive-the-longest campaign mission. Cannons, void-rays, and colossus. IdrA would be proud.

Pooky
April 27th, 2011, 09:49 AM
I wasn't talking about the build orders you have to do to tech tree, that's obvious. I'm talking about the people that build one thing, in the same grid pattern, over and over just because it works.

Where's the fun in that?

See my previous post. IRL, would you expect any sane commander to just deploy troops and vehicles randomly, with whatever equipment he feels like, instead of going with tried and true strategy? There's creativity and then there's just stupidity.

n00b1n8R
April 28th, 2011, 01:29 AM
Alternatively, who plays a racing game to drive slowly and look at the pretty cars?

TeeKup
April 28th, 2011, 02:14 AM
lol Forza 3.

But no seriously Forza is good.

n00b1n8R
April 28th, 2011, 03:21 AM
lol Forza 3.

But no seriously Forza is good.
It wasn't a "good/bad" point I was making (I think all racing games are boring as fuck!), it was that you're playing the wrong genre if you don't want to use strategy in an RTS.

Cortexian
April 29th, 2011, 01:04 AM
There's just as much strategy in games like DotA, HoN, and LoL imo. I'd rather play that kind of genre anyway because there's more action involved.

n00b1n8R
April 29th, 2011, 04:46 AM
There's just as much strategy in games like DotA, HoN, and LoL imo. I'd rather play that kind of genre anyway because there's more action involved.
hahaha casualised RTS. There may be a lot of tactics (different to strategy!) in those games but you can't really compare the skill required to that of SC.

Bodzilla
April 29th, 2011, 02:04 PM
yeah freelancer, a tactic is ya know things like lureing, pulling pushing trapping flanking ambushing ect.

a strategy is your entire goal, how your going to do everything and your reasonings behind it

Cortexian
April 29th, 2011, 07:07 PM
Except you said yourselves, there's no strategy to SCII. It's just build-orders to counter build-orders in competitive play, no one actually improvises.

Anyhow, I've made my stance on the game pretty clear. I play it for fun with friends I know, and I literally lose 90% of the games I play in "Ladder" or whatever you want to call it. Those games are boring and unfun because they're over in like 5 minutes anyway.

Bodzilla
April 29th, 2011, 07:42 PM
i said alot of baddies on the ladder use build orders.

i improvise every game i play.

n00b1n8R
April 29th, 2011, 08:36 PM
Except you said yourselves, there's no strategy to SCII. It's just build-orders to counter build-orders in competitive play, no one actually improvises.
Except that's wrong :S


Those games are boring and unfun because they're over in like 5 minutes anyway.
Oh, you're one of those :allears:

Dwood
May 2nd, 2011, 12:14 PM
Oh, you're one of those :allears:

Blizz does need to learn how to have longer games.

n00b1n8R
May 2nd, 2011, 05:14 PM
Blizz does need to learn how to have longer games.
~ 1/8 games I play is <10 minutes. I'm pretty ok with that vOv

Rainbow Dash
May 2nd, 2011, 06:54 PM
Blizz does need to learn how to have longer games.

fast expand

Bodzilla
May 2nd, 2011, 08:42 PM
as a zerg 99% of my games are over 15, and about 50% are over 20minutes long.

Phopojijo
May 3rd, 2011, 02:50 PM
i said alot of baddies on the ladder use build orders.

i improvise every game i play.Same... but it seems like every game I win TvT (that I don't just steamroll the guy/girl with tier 1) I end up going Battlecruisers + Other Air or Battlecruisers + Bio. Not too good at mech play for some reason.

Btw -- it takes a surprisingly little amount of marines to protect your BCs from vikings... especially if you Yamato most of them.

Rainbow Dash
May 4th, 2011, 02:35 PM
you're the only terran using bcs

lets 2v2 sometime lolll

Bodzilla
May 4th, 2011, 08:08 PM
Bc's are good now, they're only SLIGHTLY slower then a viking.
it's the viking vs BC is like the ling vs drone chasing down

malolo420
May 5th, 2011, 02:10 AM
I like SC but man I don't understand this nerd lingo.
Like what the fuck is a 6 pool.

Phopojijo
May 5th, 2011, 02:26 AM
It means that you sent one of your starting 6 drones to make a spawning pool with which to make other units... rather than waiting until you have more drones for better economy.

AKA -- A spawning pool on 6 supply.

It's one of zerg's many build orders ;) <troll>

Bodzilla
May 5th, 2011, 10:49 AM
woah.

nestea just BROKE zvp.

Rainbow Dash
May 5th, 2011, 12:05 PM
http://i.imgur.com/FVhM9.png

North America.

http://i.imgur.com/N36Xm.png

S.E.A.

Yeah, toss is totally not broken.

Bodzilla
May 5th, 2011, 06:35 PM
the korean sample size is small, which is stated in his post AND Protoss has been using the same fucking builds for what... 2-3 seasons of GSL now?

how many times can you pull a rabbit out of a hat and still be impressive.

Rainbow Dash
May 5th, 2011, 07:08 PM
HI IM BODZILLA I PLAY ZERG TOSS IS OP BECAUSE THEY HAVE ONE UNIT THAT ACTUALLY DOES DAMAGE TO MINE

Bodzilla
May 5th, 2011, 11:23 PM
force fields? what forcefields :downs: