Recording police fuckups is now a punishable offense...in the eyes of fucktard cops

[Kornman00]

Guy saves recording of police shooting by putting the memory card in his mouth (http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/06/08/6812110-memory-card-in-mouth-saves-police-shooting-video).

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Stupid fucking cops with their stupid fucking guns and their stupid fucking power trips.

[Guardian]

Why did they shoot?

[Warsaw]

Most officers don't actually know the laws they are supposedly enforcing, continuing the fine tradition of hiring from the shallow end of the gene pool for security.

[Cortexian]

Oh yeah, because you want some video evidence that justifies pointing your weapon at innocent civilians...

However, those cops WERE just involved in some kind of shooting and emotions and adrenaline was going crazy in all the involved.

[Rainbow Dash]

Disgusting.

[=sw=warlord]

However, those cops WERE just involved in some kind of shooting and emotions and adrenaline was going crazy in all the involved.

Stay frosty.

[sleepy1212]

I think cops should have cameras sewn into their uniforms.

[Cortexian]

I think cops should have cameras sewn into their uniforms.
Lots wear Countour HD or GoPro cameras now, well, at least up here in Canada. The Countours fit well if attached on a shoulder lapel, GoPro's work great if in a pouch on the front of a vest.

[Warsaw]

But a camera in the hands of the police is no better than them taking your own camera.

[Cortexian]

The Police only carry them to document whatever they feel like documenting so they have coverage in court and the like.

[paladin]

How many shots fired? Holy hell....

[Cortexian]

Sounded like 3 or so from every officer, sounds about right.

[Warsaw]

The Police only carry them to document whatever they feel like documenting so they have coverage in court and the like.

And to edit out whatever is inconvenient to them. Don't kid yourself about those cameras.

[Bodzilla]

And to edit out whatever is inconvenient to them. Don't kid yourself about those cameras.

dam right.

over here queensland police (god bless you boys) held a girl who was giving hem lip, down on the ground and tazered between her legs, then only released to video's of her trying to fight them off LOOK SHE"S RESISTING ARREST.
then when the court ordered them to release the full unedited video or nothing at all.... suddenly it disappeared.

[Cortexian]

And to edit out whatever is inconvenient to them. Don't kid yourself about those cameras.
I thought I said "whatever they feel like".

[sleepy1212]

Cameras that transmit to a third party like a database only judges have access to.

[Rainbow Dash]

How about a database that EVERYONE has access to.

[Warsaw]

I thought I said "whatever they feel like".

You did. And I'm just clarifying that "whatever" means anything that makes them look good.

[Sanctus]

My uncle is a Captain in his police department and we've watched videos together of cops getting pissed at people with cameras. I asked him why so many act that way and whether or not its against the law. He turned to me and said no and, "If they're doing their job right then they have nothing to get pissed about."

[sleepy1212]

How about a database that EVERYONE has access to.
bad idea. not only for legal reasons but we really don't need to broadcast rape and abuse cases.

[Rainbow Dash]

bad idea. not only for legal reasons but we really don't need to broadcast rape and abuse cases.
Transparency, WHAT AN AWFUL THING

[TVTyrant]

bad idea. not only for legal reasons but we really don't need to broadcast rape and abuse cases.
makes sense in theory though if we want to have an all access government that the people are supposed to watch to ensure its doing its job.

Making it illegal to video tape police is ridiculous. How else are we supposed to ensure our own public safety? We trust our protection to Police in return for stability. Without the public's ability to check in on them, we are at risk of losing that stability.

[sleepy1212]

Transparency, WHAT AN AWFUL THING

Yeah, transmit all those videos directly to youtube and watch the rape reporting go way down. Do you realize how many victims of crime wouldn't dare call the cops if they were guaranteed to be on youtube? There's a certain level of confidentiality in our judicial system on BEHALF of VICTIMS for a good reason.

You'd also have to throw out juries altogether unless access was limited to well after the trial because everyone would already know half the case.

The only solution is to send the videos to a third party that is already part of the judicial system but not directly related to the police force.

Videos shot by bystanders are legal and should be treated as such. Cops are just making shit up as they go along.

[Rainbow Dash]

Are you really this fucking stupid?

[sleepy1212]

Are you really this fucking stupid?
No one can top your level of retarded. I'm right. Deal with it.

[Sanctus]

NVOUS are you going to add something credible to your post or just insult him? Sleepy makes a good point, get the fuck over it

[Rainbow Dash]

Get over yourself.

OH MY GOD VIDEOS OF PEOPLE GETTING RAPED WOULD END UP ON YOUTUBE is not a credible point, and if you think it is you're an idiot too.

[Warsaw]

Wait, I thought we were talking about recordings of police action, not of crimes being committed that the police are called in to stop. Police raping the suspect on the spot they arrested him/her on? Wat.

[Rainbow Dash]

Wait, I thought we were talking about recordings of police action, not of crimes being committed that the police are called in to stop. Police raping the suspect on the spot they arrested him/her on? Wat.

We were, but apparently sleepy and Sanctus think otherwise.

[Limited]

Take it this cameramans screwed then...

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Coppers a legend

[TeeKup]

NVOUS are you going to add something credible to your post or just insult him? Sleepy makes a good point, get the fuck over it

Please don't argue with someone who's attitude transcends that of the Empire State Building. Its like trying to argue with creationists, a waste of time.

[TVTyrant]

Limited I know the guy closest to the camera in that video at 3:04 Weird right?

[Rainbow Dash]

Please don't argue with someone who's attitude transcends that of the Empire State Building. Its like trying to argue with creationists, a waste of time.

Hi I'm Teekup I'm going to defend my friend despite it being obvious he's dead wrong by attacking Sel instead.


Wait, I thought we were talking about recordings of police action, not of crimes being committed that the police are called in to stop. Police raping the suspect on the spot they arrested him/her on? Wat.

^^

I hope his post clears up why what you're debating is irrelevant you two adorable boys :3

[Sanctus]

He's my brother you clueless twit



Take it this cameramans screwed then...

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Coppers a legend

^ so much win :P

[Rainbow Dash]

He's my brother you clueless twit


Ya, and you're both adorable, you got a problem with that?

[sleepy1212]

Wait, I thought we were talking about recordings of police action, not of crimes being committed that the police are called in to stop.

Is there a difference? Other than traffic stops and blind luck they're usually called in by 911, residents, or by other officers via dispatchers.

Anyway, there's two discussions going on here, one is "video by bystander" and the other is "video by cop" (e.g., sewn into uniform). The latter is what Sel is getting his panties in a bunch over, unless he didn't read the whole thread.

[Sanctus]

What's interesting is that you never hear about the police officers that freak out about these sort of things getting in any kind of trouble with their respective departments. Slamming a guy on the ground and stomping on his camera? That's excessive force.

[Jelly]

Gun Laws In The United States Of America

[Warsaw]

Is there a difference? Other than traffic stops and blind luck they're usually called in by 911, residents, or by other officers via dispatchers.

Anyway, there's two discussions going on here, one is "video by bystander" and the other is "video by cop" (e.g., sewn into uniform). The latter is what Sel is getting his panties in a bunch over, unless he didn't read the whole thread.

Yes, but the police usually get there after the crime has been committed or end up giving chase to the suspect. Unless it's a sting. What I mean is the difference between recording a criminal committing rape and a recording of the police taking the guy down, potentially in a less-than-kosher fashion.

Also, what do gun laws have to do with this? You are allowed to have a gun, same as any cop, so long as you are not a felon.

Fake E: And if you are sitting there recording a rape and NOT calling the police at all (before or after), then you are an accomplice and also should be arrested.

[Dwood]

Gun Laws In The United States Of America

GLITUSA

or in other words, GL, its the USA or GL I T USA

[Limited]

Limited I know the guy closest to the camera in that video at 3:04 Weird right?
Yeah that is weird, he went to the Isle of Man? An American tourist??

Over here police officers can tell you to stop recording, if your being a dick they will probably take the tape off you, but if your polite and the are likely to just leave it be and tell you to move on, seems like in America they will crawl the camera out of your hands on matter what.

"However, those cops WERE just involved in some kind of shooting and emotions and adrenaline was going crazy in all the involved."
Thats no excuse, these police officers should be professional marksman - they should be able to keep their focus and their cool, if they cant they should be stripped of a women and be demotted to a mall cop.

And there lies the problem, you got your average job whos a policeman who has been given a gun, and he wants to "prove to the world he has what it takes".

Does any one know any more about the actual shooting, was it possibly death by cop?

Also, isnt it illegal to destroy evidence?

[=sw=warlord]

they should be able to keep their focus and their cool, if they cant they should be stripped of a women and be demotted to a mall cop.


:golfclap:

[Warsaw]

That is totally becoming a Modacity meme.

[=sw=warlord]

That is totally becoming a Modacity meme.
[virtual high five]
_o/

[TVTyrant]

Yeah that is weird, he went to the Isle of Man? An American tourist??
No hes an international student from Dubai who lived next to me in college last term, making it even weirder.

[Bodzilla]

they should be able to keep their focus and their cool, if they cant they should be stripped of a women and be demotted to a mall cop.
I too believe their breeding permit should be revoked!

[Warsaw]

[virtual high five]
_o/

\o_

[sleepy1212]

What I mean is the difference between recording a criminal committing rape and a recording of the police taking the guy down, potentially in a less-than-kosher fashion..

Generally we're talking after-the-fact when it comes to rape or other crimes a victim might be sensitive about but I suppose rape-in-progress would be a stronger case against full public disclosure of the video (uniform cam).

[TVTyrant]

Well are we saying that all actions that happen within a police office are supposed to be disclosed? I don't need to see a vid of a bunch of fat guys hitting each other with towels...

[Rainbow Dash]

THEN DONT FUCKING LOOK

Seriously if they did make all their operations transparent you don't have to watch the videos, what's important is that they're THERE.

[sleepy1212]

Modacity: "So, Selentic, I heard you got buttraped the other day"
Selentic: "No I didn't, that's a lie"
Modacity: "No really, we saw it on copcam.com"
Modacity: "Yea, you called the cops and you were crying and sobbing like a little bitch"
Selentic: "What the fuck that's none of your busin..."
Modacity: "You said he stole your wallet and tied you up and then..."
Selentic: "C'mon guys I'm really traumatized already, just lay off"
Modacity: "Everybody knows already, just chill out"
Modacity: "Remember when the cop saw bloody briefs on the floor and called EMS?"
Modacity: "Yea, you could tell he was trying not to laugh"
Selentic: "Seriously guys I'm the victim here"
Modacity: "You're gay and everyone knows it. Transparency is bitch ain't it?"

[Rainbow Dash]

I am gay, and everyone knows it, so idc!

Also your example sucks and you suck, stop posting pls!

[Cortexian]

If it was all transparent then most of this kind of shit wouldn't happen in the first place. That said, it would then just move into units where transparency isn't practical like Tactical and Undercover units.

Transparency will never really solve any Police abuse issues, the only sure-fire way is to hand out more severe punishments. Cops shouldn't just be kicked out of the service, they should be fined and sent to prison for double the regular sentence for whatever they did. Since cops don't have a very long life expectancy in prison, problem is solved permanently.

[Sanctus]

Transparency will never really solve any Police abuse issues, the only sure-fire way is to hand out more severe punishments. Cops shouldn't just be kicked out of the service, they should be fined and sent to prison for double the regular sentence for whatever they did. Since cops don't have a very long life expectancy in prison, problem is solved permanently.
I like that idea :D

And NVOUS you're right that isn't the best example, how about this:
It's safe to say you'd be traumatized if you were raped, right? How would you feel if that experience, or the details described by you in an interview with a detective, was posted on websites like youtube? The apathetic people, like 4chan, and those alike that make up a good portion of the internet would try to make jokes about it, troll you, or even worse... post in on a pornographic website. Or some wierd shit like that. The point is this: complete transparency won't solve problems like these.

[Rainbow Dash]

1) I'd take that over incompetent and abusive police forces

2) We're discussing police uniform cameras that would be available from a public database, so unless they walked in on someone raping someone else or walked in and raped someone themselves there wouldn't be any issues with what he's suggesting. The latter of which along with other abuse police officers could perform is precisely what the system would exist to prevent, so it's a non issue right there. However if that did happen, albeit unlikely, I'd see no problem with protecting the victim's identities by whatever means possible, pixelating faces, and shit like that.

[thehoodedsmack]

If the film has to be edited to obscure faces, it could be edited to remove portions they don't want you to see.

To solve that problem, you'd need a continuous 9-5, or whatever the officer's hours are, uninterrupted video. So what, are we going to see cops taking a shit?

And to solve that problem, you have to give them the option to turn it off, even momentarily, which still leaves open the option to edit out recorded events under the label of supposed "private times".

There's too many problems with that idea. You know what's a good idea? Public surveillance in public places. Let cops keep their cameras to record evidence. If evidence goes missing or is somehow altered, rely on the efforts of your local community's surveillance program to fill in the blanks and expose any wrongdoing. It's not some big-brother initiative, it's only for matters taking place in public areas. Steps like that are a better start than broadcasting the constant happenings of a police-force.

[Kornman00]

Coming to an iOS device near you...iCensor (http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?23551-iCensor)!

[Kornman00]

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Police Officer Arrest Woman in Her Front Yard for Filming the Cops (http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/06/22/6920188-citizen-arrested-for-videotaping-police-from-front-yard)

[DarkHalo003]

There really is nothing that can be done to prevent this nonsense from happening besides the repercussions of severe punishment. Either way, cops can't destroy evidence as suggested before as that is illegal. However, destroying the device and memory unit would hardly ever be called as excessive force by anyone in the department because it's one of those actions that probably would just warrant a slap of the wrist.

As far as Police Cams, we know the officers have access to the units and their contents, not to mention I can see why it may be offensive for the victims of any situation (how embarassing) if the videos were publicly released, and we also know that departments cover traces of evidence so that they are not sacked by stupid decisions by their officers. Therefore, it's almost pointless to argue that the cams would be possible in the first place (unless you put some serious tech and MONEY involved that the departments just can't afford). Cops would tamper with info too much (if the cops suck) and victims would be further humiliated, causing a lot more issues there. But those can be sidestepped to a degree I guess. I suppose my main point is, even if cops were strapped with cams and what not, for the cams to even be useful and tamper-proof would be far to costly to actually implement, let alone maintain.

[Cortexian]

Police Officer Arrest Woman in Her Front Yard for Filming the Cops (http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/06/22/6920188-citizen-arrested-for-videotaping-police-from-front-yard)
She deserves that 100%, she was given more than enough clear warnings about what the officers wanted. The officers were uncomfortable and simply wanted to limit the danger to themselves as much as possible. If I were conducting a traffic stop at night and someone came out of their house and just started filming me from their lawn I'd ask them to go back inside as well. I'd let them know that they can continue filming from inside the house, just give me the space to do my job in a safe manner. If the citizen continued to ignore me like the girl in the video I'd definitely arrest her for not following Police instructions (which is perfectly valid mind you).

[=sw=warlord]

Freelancer, the officer had no problems with her being there until she pointed out she was recording him.
He was also in the wrong for declaring her yard was the sidewalk and claiming making recordings were illegal.

[Bodzilla]

She deserves that 100%, she was given more than enough clear warnings about what the officers wanted. The officers were uncomfortable and simply wanted to limit the danger to themselves as much as possible. If I were conducting a traffic stop at night and someone came out of their house and just started filming me from their lawn I'd ask them to go back inside as well. I'd let them know that they can continue filming from inside the house, just give me the space to do my job in a safe manner. If the citizen continued to ignore me like the girl in the video I'd definitely arrest her for not following Police instructions (which is perfectly valid mind you).
Sup Dwood


noice logic u got thar

[sleepy1212]

yea, i don't buy that one either dude.

Police almost always do their job amidst bystanders and you don't see hundreds of thousands of people being ordered indoors across the country. The only difference in this situation was the camera...and the fact that this woman is well known to the police as some sort of activist.

[Kornman00]

Hey Freelancer, this is America, not Canada. hth.

[thehoodedsmack]

Hey Freelancer, this is America, not Canada. hth.

Burn.

[=sw=warlord]

Hey Freelancer, this is America, not Canada. hth.

Where dancing at memorials gets you thrown to the floor and cuffed.:iamafag:

[Kornman00]

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[Cortexian]

Who cares where it took place? The officers told her more than enough times what they wanted, they never once said she needed to turn off the camera or that they didn't appreciate her filming them. I'm pretty sure that complete disrespect for an officers orders like that allows them to come onto your property and arrest you.

They were concerned for their safety, they requested she backup and go inside her house (why couldn't she?). She refused, they had the right to arrest her.

[Rainbow Dash]

They were concerned for their safety because a women with a camera was recording their actions?

huh

that's a shitty excuse at best

[Bodzilla]

Who cares where it took place? The officers told her more than enough times what they wanted, they never once said she needed to turn off the camera or that they didn't appreciate her filming them. I'm pretty sure that complete disrespect for an officers orders like that allows them to come onto your property and arrest you.

They were concerned for their safety, they requested she backup and go inside her house (why couldn't she?). She refused, they had the right to arrest her.
your a fucking idiot.

the law isn't something thats decided by the thugs on the ground enforcing it, on a whim.
they didnt have the right in the first place to tell her to stop, or to back up, and when they didn't they literally trumped up some bullshit charges that where created to prevent real crimes to cover their own ass.
they're lying, cheating thugs with a fucking badge.

TL:DR you cannont bend the law or make it up as you go to suit you.

[=sw=warlord]

I'm pretty sure that complete disrespect for an officers orders like that allows them to come onto your property and arrest you.



I'm pretty sure you need a warrant to enter private property without owners consent.

[Cortexian]

your a fucking idiot.

the law isn't something thats decided by the thugs on the ground enforcing it, on a whim.
they didnt have the right in the first place to tell her to stop, or to back up, and when they didn't they literally trumped up some bullshit charges that where created to prevent real crimes to cover their own ass.
they're lying, cheating thugs with a fucking badge.

TL:DR you cannont bend the law or make it up as you go to suit you.
They have the right to tell you what to do as peace officers if they think it effects their safety or they're uncomfortable with the proximity of civilians. After completely disrespecting a peace officers orders, what do you think is going to happen? If you do what they say (see: follow the law, because you're lawfully required to do what a peace officer says) then there won't be any kind of problem now will there?


I'm pretty sure you need a warrant to enter private property without owners consent.
I'm pretty sure you don't if you're completely disregarding orders given to you by a peace officer.

[Bodzilla]

DO WHAT WE SAY OR WE"LL HURT YOU, DESPITE HAVING NO LEGAL GROUNDS FOR OUR ABSURD DEMANDS

[=sw=warlord]

Freelancer there are times where disregarding what police officers instructions make more sense than taking heed.
By your logic if they were to order you to take part in intercourse regardless of consent, then you would be required.

[Cortexian]

DO WHAT WE SAY OR WE"LL HURT YOU, DESPITE HAVING NO LEGAL GROUNDS FOR OUR ABSURD DEMANDS
Except they did have legal grounds. They didn't feel safe, they told her to back up or they were going to arrest her as well. She ignored them, it's her fault.


Freelancer there are times where disregarding what police officers instructions make more sense than taking heed.
By your logic if they were to order you to take part in intercourse regardless of consent, then you would be required.
Are you really dumb enough to try and bring up the "If I tell you to jump off this bridge will you do it" argument? There are obviously some boundaries that are silly and outrageous.

[Bodzilla]

Except they did have legal grounds. They didn't feel safe, they told her to back up or they were going to arrest her as well. She ignored them, it's her fault.

what law gives them the ability to stop people using cameras in their own yard?

[Kornman00]

Peace officers? I could have sworn we already stated that this is Sparta America, not Canada. Keep your freelancer logic on your side of the border freelancer.

The fucking cop barked orders to her on her own property. She pays the fucking taxes to live there. She pays the fucking taxes that employ those cops. All she had was a fucking camera. She had a right to be there, on her own property (she had already backed off the sidewalk and into her yard). If she posed any threat, it'd make no difference if she was inside or outside. She could still shoot the douches in blue from a window, just the same from the yard. This idiot just didn't like the fact that she was recording him.

She wasn't breaking the law. The cop has no right to tell her what to do, especially on her own property.

e: and your whole "didn't feel safe" bullshit can work both ways. Maybe she didn't feel safe about the rights of that driver who got pulled over, hence why she was recording it. Just "didn't feel safe" is a ambiguously bogus claim.

[TVTyrant]

Peace officers? I could have sworn we already stated that this is Sparta America, not Canada. Keep your freelancer logic on your side of the border freelancer.

The fucking cop barked orders to her on her own property. She pays the fucking taxes to live there. She pays the fucking taxes that employ those cops. All she had was a fucking camera. She had a right to be there, on her own property (she had already backed off the sidewalk and into her yard). If she posed any threat, it'd make no difference if she was inside or outside. She could still shoot the douches in blue from a window, just the same from the yard. This idiot just didn't like the fact that she was recording him.

She wasn't breaking the law. The cop has no right to tell her what to do, especially on her own property.

e: and your whole "didn't feel safe" bullshit can work both ways. Maybe she didn't feel safe about the rights of that driver who got pulled over, hence why she was recording it. Just "didn't feel safe" is a ambiguously bogus claim.
Essentially this.

[Cortexian]

The fucking cop barked orders to her on her own property. She pays the fucking taxes to live there. She pays the fucking taxes that employ those cops. All she had was a fucking camera. She had a right to be there, on her own property (she had already backed off the sidewalk and into her yard). If she posed any threat, it'd make no difference if she was inside or outside. She could still shoot the douches in blue from a window, just the same from the yard. This idiot just didn't like the fact that she was recording him.
So why didn't she just go inside instead of provoking the officer? Like I said, once a cop tells you that he's concerned for his safety (even if it's a bullshit call like this was) you should respect it and back off. If, for example some regular citizens just tackled some hopped up kid that just robbed a store and was running away in front of your house, and the citizens politely asked you to move back cause they didn't feel safe with you filming them you'd probably do it. This chick was BEGGING to get dragged off by the Police by literally ignoring them.



She wasn't breaking the law. The cop has no right to tell her what to do, especially on her own property.

She broke the law by disobeying a direct order from a Police officer while he was acting in an official capacity. I'm pretty sure that's a law.



e: and your whole "didn't feel safe" bullshit can work both ways. Maybe she didn't feel safe about the rights of that driver who got pulled over, hence why she was recording it. Just "didn't feel safe" is a ambiguously bogus claim.
Again, so why didn't she just record from inside of her house? It's safer there for her AND the officers. The officers may have felt unsafe with her where she was because they didn't want her to get hurt by the potentially psychopathic serial killer they just pulled a traffic stop on. What if he had a gun and there was a gun-fight? She could have been injured or killed?

Literally every situation you can think up, she would be better off inside of her house.

[DarkHalo003]

If you provoke and don't follow the sane requests of an officer, like if they ask you to do something that isn't bonkers, then they have the ability to tell you you're being a dumbshit. Be respectful and put the camera down. If it means that much to you, go inside your house and film them. It's not so much you should respect their request because of whether or not you think it's bullshit, but simply because they are an officer that is probably signed up to protect you.

What is with everyone and having some conspiracy that cops are out to fuck your life up? This whole thread is stupid because it's so condition and doesn't even account for most of the cops that are working to keep us all safe while we sleep at night.

[TeeKup]

2 weeks a go a gay man was nearly beat to death in the town just south of here. A town that's notorious for cops being around every corner. It's no so much a conspiracy against the police more so it is a lack of faith.

Peace Officer? Begging your pardon lancer, don't sugar coat who and what they are. If necessary in defending and upholding what they are paid to do, more often than not they are willing to use force, in America at least...

[Rainbow Dash]

If you provoke and don't follow the sane requests of an officer, like if they ask you to do something that isn't bonkers, then they have the ability to tell you you're being a dumbshit. Be respectful and put the camera down. If it means that much to you, go inside your house and film them. It's not so much you should respect their request because of whether or not you think it's bullshit, but simply because they are an officer that is probably signed up to protect you.

What is with everyone and having some conspiracy that cops are out to fuck your life up? This whole thread is stupid because it's so condition and doesn't even account for most of the cops that are working to keep us all safe while we sleep at night.

model american citizen here

GO BACK TO BED AMERICA YOUR GOVERNMENT IS IN CONTROL

[Cortexian]

Peace Officer? Begging your pardon lancer, don't sugar coat who and what they are. If necessary in defending and upholding what they are paid to do, more often than not they are willing to use force, in America at least...
Here in Canada "Peace Officer" refers to the entire spectrum of law enforcement officers, from Fish and Wildlife officers all the way to your regular Police officers and Sheriffs. That's all I was trying to get across.

[Kornman00]

So why didn't she just go inside instead of provoking the officer? Like I said, once a cop tells you that he's concerned for his safety (even if it's a bullshit call like this was) you should respect it and back off. If, for example some regular citizens just tackled some hopped up kid that just robbed a store and was running away in front of your house, and the citizens politely asked you to move back cause they didn't feel safe with you filming them you'd probably do it. This chick was BEGGING to get dragged off by the Police by literally ignoring them.

Why the fuck does she need to go inside? On what grounds does the officer have the right to tell her where on her own fucking property she has the right to be positioned? Heads up, your example is inapplicable because it's taking place outside of privately owned property. Take your straw man back to the corn field.



She broke the law by disobeying a direct order from a Police officer while he was acting in an official capacity. I'm pretty sure that's a law.
She was on her own fucking property. It's not a fucking lawful order. End of fucking story. An officer's rein has areas of limitation. Him telling her to displace herself to another part of her private property had no merit.



Again, so why didn't she just record from inside of her house? It's safer there for her AND the officers. The officers may have felt unsafe with her where she was because they didn't want her to get hurt by the potentially psychopathic serial killer they just pulled a traffic stop on. What if he had a gun and there was a gun-fight? She could have been injured or killed?

Literally every situation you can think up, she would be better off inside of her house.
The fucking cop just used that "herp derp i fear for my safety" excuse because he didn't like her recording him (http://photorights.org/faq/can-i-film-police-on-private-property).

[DarkHalo003]

model american citizen here

GO BACK TO BED AMERICA YOUR GOVERNMENT IS IN CONTROL
It's okay Canada, you don't need law enforcement!

And it's not like average citizens would do anything to protect a dying man on the street. It's called the bystander effect; we assume someone else will take responsibility if there are more than one persons standing around the scene. It's just human nature, sadly.

[=sw=warlord]

Model anarchist right here. So paranoid and doesn't put any faith in those serving to protect him while he sleeps.



Model delusional here.
So blind of current events and doesn't open his mind to the possibility that the forces might have corrupt members.

[DarkHalo003]

Model delusional here.
So blind of current events and doesn't open his mind to the possibility that the forces might have corrupt members.
What a shallow comment. Do you honestly think I think all of law enforcement is always right? Coudl you have possibly thought I might be defending the good law enforcement in this nation? Go read The Innocent Man: Murder and Injustice in a Small Town. The detectives and law enforcement in that novel will make you rip your hair out. But do these shitty law enforcement officers in that book alone cause me to think all law enforcement is shit? Obviously not. There are great officers out there, the majority of officers, working to keep the public as a whole safe. Yeah there are those moments of shit when bad cops do not do their jobs, but how many of those are there in comparison to how many good scenarios because of law enforcement?

Now if this thread was titled "Recording police fuckups by crooked cops is now a punishable offense.....by those crooked cops" then maybe this thread would be a legitimate case. Then again, that would be boring and people know it's true and there is no debate, so then there would be no thread.

[Cortexian]

Heads up, your example is inapplicable because it's taking place outside of privately owned property. Take your straw man back to the corn field.
I was talking about if the citizens caught up with the guy in front of some private property like this chick was filming on.

Until you show me something that says you can legally completely ignore what a Police officer tells you to do just because you're standing on your own property, well, I'm pretty sure there's some law or addendum that lets them do that. They sure as hell can here in Canada, if anything I'd assume there's a similar law in the USA since it makes sense. You Americans take infringement on your rights way to seriously, seriously, fuck you and your rights when someones personal safety is involved.

[Kornman00]

You Americans take infringement on your rights way to seriously
http://www.ultimateflags.com/images/P/gadsden-flag-dont-tread-on.gif

We (or at least the ones with half a brain) take gov't and gov't appointed official's action seriously. They're the ones who are suppose to be defenders of American rights and freedoms, not smokescreens for other agendas.

[DarkHalo003]

We (or at least the ones with half a brain) take gov't and gov't appointed official's action seriously. They're the ones who are suppose to be defenders of American rights and freedoms, not smokescreens for other agendas.
Although I do agree with Freelancer that many Americans take infringement on their rights overboard on a lot of occasions, I do agree with Korn that we should take our government's actions seriously. I applaud the good cops in our nation and I will continue to remind people that they actually exist among all of the bad ones. Especially after reading The Innocent Man, I would love nothing more if the crookedness in law enforcement were to end.

[Rainbow Dash]

You Americans take infringement on your rights way to seriously, seriously, fuck you and your rights when someones personal safety is involved.

If there was a serious threat to these police officer's safety then I'd agree with you, but there wasn't, and it was a pathetic bullshit reason they made up.

[TVTyrant]

Well the safety concern would be that the person in the car could turn out to be a violent criminal. In that situation the person in the car would be the danger to the person taping, and in the instance of shots fired she could be hit by either the officer, or taken hostage by said person. The Police's job is to protect you, and if you are putting yourself in danger they may end up infringing upon your rights in order to protect you.
Essentially what defines their job is fucked up in the first place.

[Kornman00]

Except the cop said he didn't feel safe with her standing there. Not that he felt the woman's safety could possibly end up in danger.

[Cortexian]

He didn't feel safe because he was worried about her safety and there being a problem most likely. I'd be willing to bet that's what was initially going through his head when he asked her to go inside. Not everyone articulates properly when in uncertain situations (see: anytime a cop does pretty much anything) and this was likely a misunderstanding.

That said, he could still be worried about his safety just because someone is filming him. This isn't Iraq or Afgan, but I know our military forces DO NOT like being filmed by locals since it usually means some shit is about to go down. Who knows, maybe this chick was told by her gangster boyfriend to film as they drive-by the cops so they have some rep to spread around.

I'm 100% behind what the cops did. Hell, even if they exceeded their bounds a bit they SHOULD have taken her to jail just for being a pretentious cunt. Her attitude was TERRIBLE.

[=sw=warlord]

I'm 100% behind what the cops did. Hell, even if they exceeded their bounds a bit they SHOULD have taken her to jail just for being a pretentious cunt. Her attitude was TERRIBLE.

Her attitude was exactly what was needed.
After reading your entire comment it seems you are Extremely naive.
She was in her garden, minding her own business, unarmed and fully within her rights to be on her own lawn.
I don't know how it works over there but over here, you are within your rights to stand your ground if you do not feel safe yourself with an order a police offer gives.
This officer was most likely armed [I mean, who isn't in the United states of Arms] whilst she was only armed with a video camera.

[Kornman00]

I'm 100% behind what the cops did. Hell, even if they exceeded their bounds a bit they SHOULD have taken her to jail just for being a pretentious cunt. Her attitude was TERRIBLE.
I bet you're 100% behind these hillbilly cops too:
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Also, news flash you fucking twit, it's not illegal to be a "pretentious cunt" on your own property. If it is in Canada, let me know. I'll be sure to call a "Peace Officer" to your location. hth, you foreign moron.

[=sw=warlord]

Legalized Highway theft.
What was that about the police force being there to enforce the law and not for self gain again?
Freelancer, you are a prime example of why birth control was invented.

[Bodzilla]

lol i have the nastiest snipe primed after that comment warlord lol

now that he's a mod though i suppose a pretty high infraction would follow lmao.

[Kornman00]

now that he's a mod though i suppose a pretty high infraction would follow lmao.
There's always alt accounts. And after that, there's always proxy servers. And after that, there's always the put-a-sign-in-freelancer's-yard maneuver.

[=sw=warlord]

lol i have the nastiest snipe primed after that comment warlord lol

now that he's a mod though i suppose a pretty high infraction would follow lmao.

If what my comment says offends him resulting in a infraction, then he may as well infract himself for winging it and insulting common sentient intelligence.
He has been winging it the entire discussion, he has pulled straw after straw after straw.
If he cannot see that then he truly is an insult to human sentience.

Besides, if People like Selentic can get banned for much worse than hurt poor Freelancers ego and still remain on this site, I'm reasonably sure me saying what everyone else has been thinking won't be too harsh.

He has defended political policies that boarder on delusional to totalitarian purely on the basis of "he's a good guy", he seems to be under the impression that because a officer is in the police force that they can make up laws as they go along instead of enforcing the existing laws and rights of the people they signed up to to protect.

[king_nothing_]

Freelancer, you're ridiculous. I can't even find the words to explain how much so. All I can say is that I'm very, very glad you don't live in my country. One less government/law enforcement apologist in the voter pool, the better. I'm not sure how it works in Canada (I kind of doubt you do either), but here, a cop has no right to order you where to stand on your own private property for no justifiable reason. And no, "I fear for my safety" was not a just reason, it was complete bullshit. She obviously was not behaving in a threatening manner.

It blows my mind why anyone would even attempt to defend that, unless you're just an unabashed fan of authoritarianism. The woman got arrested for standing in her own yard, for fuck's sake. Think about what you're defending here. Yeah, she disobeyed an officer's order. He had no authority whatsoever to give her that order, though, so that one and only argument you have falls flat on its face.

[Cortexian]

When have I ever stated that an officer can make up laws as they go along? All I've been saying is that I'm pretty sure that there's a law that requires citizens to obey orders given by Police when they're conducting official business, and that if you don't your location is irrelevant. You're telling me that you can sit on your porch and point a loaded firearm at a Police officer and just laugh it off when he tells you to put it down and that you're under arrest. I'd love to see some place where ANY law enforcement officer would let that fly, regardless of the laws. As a matter of fact, I'd love to see some place where ANYONE that was legally armed themselves would let that fly even if they weren't law enforcement officers.

I'm also 100% certain that laws and regulations are given leeway in situational circumstances. For example, if an officer feels unsafe. I don't disagree that this instance in particular called for arresting the girl filming, but even if the cop did just make up some BS about feeling unsafe so he could stop her from filming... That's one cop, out of hundreds of thousands of cops who generally do their jobs well and people don't have a problem with. Hell he could of been having a bad day, you guys are making this out to be the end of the world because some cops don't like being filmed for whatever reason.

Open your eyes and look at the big picture please. Stop focusing on the bad apples in the bunch and try to look at the whole, then note how the whole is trying their best to weed out the bad apples. Please stop being so stereotypical against Police officers, they're not all bad.

In regards to the Tennessee officers stealing money, the idea behind seizing large amounts of money makes sense so long as it's returned afterwards if nothing illegal can be linked to it. What their doing IS literally highway robbery, especially since you need to take (most likely costly) legal action to have it returned.


=sw=warlord has received an infraction for Flaming, so will anyone else in this thread who decides that it's a fun idea to blatantly disregard forum rules. There's nothing wrong with stating your option, or your reasoning behind it. There's no reason to insult other forum members for doing so.

[Cortexian]

New post for my personal opinions:

My personal opinions about law enforcement (and also military personal) is that they should be able to do anything within reason to protect themselves. Every law enforcement and military member that does their job to the best of their abilities has my utmost respect. Everyone makes mistakes, but there are also people in law enforcement and the military that DON'T have their duties at heart. I despise those people in these agencies that abuse their power, there are many videos and articles I could post in here detailing such things, but that's not exactly relevant to the topic.

That said, I think people in law enforcement and military agencies should be able to do whatever they deem appropriate to secure their personal safety in any official business they're conducting. If you disagree with me, that's your right and you're able to do so. However if you do disagree with me, then my opinion of you on the subject makes me think you don't give a shit about these people's personal safety and that you'd much rather they put themselves into needlessly dangerous situations just to satisfy your "rights".

Human safety > your precious rights.

If you want to respond to this post directly, quote "New post for my personal opinions" or something and I'll move it to its own thread so this one can get back to talking about filming Police.

[king_nothing_]

When have I ever stated that an officer can make up laws as they go along? All I've been saying is that I'm pretty sure that there's a law that requires citizens to obey orders given by Police when they're conducting official business, and that if you don't your location is irrelevant.
Please point me to the legislation which grants police officers the authority to order people to do whatever they feel like for no justifiable reason when said people are on their own property.


You're telling me that you can sit on your porch and point a loaded firearm at a Police officer and just laugh it off when he tells you to put it down and that you're under arrest. I'd love to see some place where ANY law enforcement officer would let that fly, regardless of the laws. As a matter of fact, I'd love to see some place where ANYONE that was legally armed themselves would let that fly even if they weren't law enforcement officers.
What the fuck does that have to do with ANYTHING in this thread? We're talking about a woman standing in her yard with a camera, and you're creating a hypothetical about pointing a loaded gun at a cop? What the fuck? On what planet does that pass for a rational or relevant argument?


I don't disagree that this instance in particular called for arresting the girl filming, but even if the cop did just make up some BS about feeling unsafe so he could stop her from filming... That's one cop, out of hundreds of thousands of cops who generally do their jobs well and people don't have a problem with. Hell he could of been having a bad day,
Are we talking about hundreds of thousands of cops here? No, we're talking about the cops in these videos. The cops in these videos are shitty cops who deserve to be reprimanded.


you guys are making this out to be the end of the world because some cops don't like being filmed for whatever reason.
No, we're not. Honestly, I find blind apologists like yourself to be nearly as disheartening as the acts in these videos themselves. People with your mindset effectively perpetuate this crap, just like a mother who doesn't discipline her child is perpetuating the child's misbehavior.


Open your eyes and look at the big picture please. Stop focusing on the bad apples in the bunch and try to look at the whole, then note how the whole is trying their best to weed out the bad apples. Please stop being so stereotypical against Police officers, they're not all bad.
Once again, who here is talking about "all" police officers?

[Bodzilla]

you DO realize you cant have freedom or safety without rights bro.... dont you?

[Kornman00]

Open your eyes and look at the big picture please. Stop focusing on the bad apples in the bunch and try to look at the whole, then note how the whole is trying their best to weed out the bad apples. Please stop being so stereotypical against Police officers, they're not all bad.
Um, the big picture IS about these bad apples. Furthermore, "good" apples can't weed out "bad" apples if the corruption is seeded in the core, ie, the chain of command (shit rolls downhill). How about you open your eyes and stop counting sheep. Go ahead and look at what you think the "big picture" is when you get a lump on your balls. Just because you may appear to be healthy overall, doesn't mean trouble is brewing down under.

Bad apples in police (military is an entirely different subject and shouldn't be discussed in this thread) NEED to be highlighted, because they NEED to be addressed. If we don't focus on the "bad apples" then they'll continue to exist and infect the rest of the bunch. Just as cops enforce laws to say "hey, this won't be allowed/tolerated", there needs to be a checks and balance system for police which does the exact same thing for them. That system is the American people (not Canadians, hth). However, politicians seem to work against that part of the system...

Having a badge doesn't give you free rein. It doesn't make you a superior. It doesn't make you 'above the law'. It gives you the privilege to enforce the law, to the extent of federal (eg, the constitution) and state law and nothing else. The law drives police, not their "feelings" or what they deem appropriate.


New post for my personal opinions:

Human safety > your precious rights.
"Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither"

[Cortexian]

Please point me to the legislation which grants police officers the authority to order people to do whatever they feel like for no justifiable reason when said people are on their own property.
No such legislation exists.

Legislation does exist for compliance with an officers orders when he's acting on official business though. How else would they arrest people at all? You make it sound like when an officer says "you're under arrest" you can just nope.avi and walk away. Although the officer likely said he was feeling unsafe in the video just to get her to stop filming, and then arrested her on some trumped up charge afterwards. However once he expressed that to her and she ignored him she was being a cunt, generally when some politely asks you to stop doing something because it's making you feel unsafe you do it. I don't care if you're in a uniform or not, it's common curtsey. If I encountered a person recording me like that, even from public property and asked them to stop and they completely ignored me with some BS attitude like that chick I would likely call the cops on her. Because guess what, you can't film me without my express permission.

Speaking of which, doesn't this same thing apply to Police? If you're filming a single officer and they ask you to stop, they have rights as well don't they? I don't see how it's any different than filming some other random citizen.

As joining the local Police force is one of my potential career choices that I'm pursuing I'll be sure to revisit this thread when I have more solid evidence of what happens locally. Until someone can point out what the laws are regarding an officer giving orders to someone to back away because they feel unsafe, then I'm of the opinion that they're more than entitled.

What the fuck does that have to do with ANYTHING in this thread? We're talking about a woman standing in her yard with a camera, and you're creating a hypothetical about pointing a loaded gun at a cop? What the fuck? On what planet does that pass for a rational or relevant argument?
I don't see a difference, that girl has now made that cop and his friends out to be baddies. The fact of the matter is that one of them expressed concern for his safetly (no matter how BS that might be), and it was completely ignored by some cunt with a pretentious attitude.


Are we talking about hundreds of thousands of cops here? No, we're talking about the cops in these videos. The cops in these videos are shitty cops who deserve to be reprimanded.
Were there? Do you know what the cop in question was feeling at the time? No? Then stop talking, you're not god, you don't know what was happening or running through their minds.


No, we're not. Honestly, I find blind apologists like yourself to be nearly as disheartening as the acts in these videos themselves. People with your mindset effectively perpetuate this crap, just like a mother who doesn't discipline her child is perpetuating the child's misbehavior.
I'm not saying Police shouldn't have limits on what they can and can't do. I'm just saying that if one of them legitimately express concern for their safety or feel that they're being threatened that they can use whatever force they deem necessary to defend themselves, just like any other human being.

If that force is deemed excessive in the future after sufficient evidence is proven in an official capacity (not by some people on the internet) then disciplinary action should be taken.

[king_nothing_]

Legislation does exist for compliance with an officers orders when he's acting on official business though.
Please point me to the legislation which requires a citizen to comply with a police officer's order regardless of whether or not the order is lawful or unlawful.


How else would they arrest people at all?
Uh, by following the law?


Although the officer likely said he was feeling unsafe in the video just to get her to stop filming, and then arrested her on some trumped up charge afterwards. However once he expressed that to her and she ignored him she was being a cunt, generally when some politely asks you to stop doing something because it's making you feel unsafe you do it. I don't care if you're in a uniform or not, it's common curtsey.
lol. Common courtesy? That's completely irrelevant. She can be discourteous on her own property if she wants to. That's her right. She wasn't doing anything wrong, wasn't posing any threat whatsoever, and wasn't interfering with their procedure.


If I encountered a person recording me like that, even from public property and asked them to stop and they completely ignored me with some BS attitude like that chick I would likely call the cops on her. Because guess what, you can't film me without my express permission.
Sorry, but this is completely false. They were on a public street. There is no expectation of privacy.


Speaking of which, doesn't this same thing apply to Police? If you're filming a single officer and they ask you to stop, they have rights as well don't they? I don't see how it's any different than filming some other random citizen.
Also wrong. Any other falsities you'd like to pull out of your ass?


I don't see a difference,
You don't see the difference between someone standing in their yard with a camera and someone standing in their yard pointing a gun at a cop? You don't see the difference there? lol?


that girl has now made that cop and his friends out to be baddies.
Bullshit. She didn't "make them out" to be anything. They made themselves out to be baddies, or at least the one who arrested her did. He is definitely a baddie, and it's definitely of his own making.


The fact of the matter is that one of them expressed concern for his safetly (no matter how BS that might be), and it was completely ignored by some cunt with a pretentious attitude.
lol. So the fact that his "reasoning" was complete bullshit is immaterial in your eyes? This just keeps getting more and more ridiculous. Anyone with half a brain who watches that video can see that she was posing no threat whatsoever to them. Lying to try to justify an arrest doesn't exactly work when the entire thing is captured on video.



Do you know what the cop in question was feeling at the time? No? Then stop talking, you're not god, you don't know what was happening or running through their minds.
What he was feeling or thinking isn't relevant; what's relevant are his actions, which were completely wrong. That woman posed no reasonable threat to them.

Here's my guess of what was going through his mind, though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIVHNylH1Mk


I'm not saying Police shouldn't have limits on what they can and can't do. I'm just saying that if one of them legitimately express concern for their safety or feel that they're being threatened that they can use whatever force they deem necessary to defend themselves, just like any other human being.
Uh, it wasn't a legitimate expression of concern for their safety. We already went over that.

[Kornman00]

Protip: Joining the Canadian Bacon Squad won't give you any more credibility than you already have.

He didn't say he didn't want her filming him.
He didn't say her life may be in danger for being out there, instead of inside.

This is what she was charged with:

Emily Good was charged with obstructing governmental administration. Officers say she refused the police officer's order to leave her front yard and go inside.

...

She tells I-Team 10 she has already filed a motion to have the charge thrown out. “Basically the grounds for the motion to dismiss are that her actions did not rise to the level of a crime. It doesn't fit the statutory elements of obstructing governmental administration."She knew the man. That's why she was recording it. She wasn't there just to be there. She was documenting a frisk of someone she knew.

e: As for the cop's "privacy", he was on a public street. There's no way he could arrest her for violating some expectation of privacy because of that, so he does this instead.

[Patrickssj6]

Hey Korn ye oldie Commie, we need you here occupying railroads against atomic waste transports :v:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4130/5157765899_42f4c46ca0.jpg

lot of lancers there as well...f the police

Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana


that's all i gotta say

[Kornman00]

OT: They (the UN maybe) need to build a launch site so hazard material which can't be recycled, can just be shot out into space and out of our backyard...make Jupiter our new trash can or something.

[Patrickssj6]

and in a 1000 years ppl are going to complain we shot our trash cans at Jupiter :v:

they just have to shoot it at the sun...sun is going to be like: the fuck is this...oh *nom nom*

[DarkHalo003]

Would it be possible to recycle Nuclear waste? Just always wondered.

[Rainbow Dash]

OT: They (the UN maybe) need to build a launch site so hazard material which can't be recycled, can just be shot out into space and out of our backyard...make Jupiter our new trash can or something.

That's a terrible idea, we should just switch to technologies that don't generate it in the first place :l

[Cortexian]

sun is going to be like: the fuck is this...oh *nom nom*
I'm pretty sure anything we were to launch at the sun would burn up way before it ever actually got near the sun. So yeah we should just do this.

[Rainbow Dash]

Uh, you do realize it just changes to a different form after burning up, it doesn't actually get destroyed :l

And somehow I don't think the sun absorbing nuclear waste is going to be any better an alternative.

[Cortexian]

Launch it all into some other sun then.

Great way to make friends with our galactic neighbors!

[TVTyrant]

Just launch it randomly into space. Or just do FreeLancer's idea and send it to Alpha Centari B.

[Patrickssj6]

Just launch it randomly into space. Or just do FreeLancer's idea and send it to Alpha Centari B.
Mankind is probably extinct before it even arrives :P

[DarkHalo003]

Heh, when Alien's are about to launch their assault on Earth, guess how we beat em? Their star goes fucking supernova because 2000 years earlier we launched 1 Trillion+ Radioactive Cans of garbage at it. WHO'S SUPERIOR NOW BITCH?

[PlasbianX]

On the subject of cops..

Last night I was at a local pond fishing with my buddy, his friend, and his friend's girlfriend. After about 2 hours his friend and his friend's girlfriend left leaving me with just my buddy. I go up to the truck and grab a bottle of poweraid and i'm sitting there drinking it and fishing with my buddy. 3 hours later or so we decided we should be leaving. Just then my mom calls me so I answer my phone and I put the cap on my poweraid and set it down next to me. On the phone for a little bit and I get up, grab my pole, and walk back to his truck. I sit down in the truck and my buddy does the same. We go to leave when we hear a siren behind us.. It's a game warden. He walks up to us, introduces himself and talks to us for a little bit. We hand him our fishing licenses and he's still chatting, asking how we did and what not. Then he looks at me and was like "So how was that poweraid?"

Me: "Uh.. good I guess?"
Him: "Little expensive don't ya think?"
Me: "Like a dollar at most, not that bad."
Him: "Nah, little bit more than that. Where is it anyways?"
Me: *Looks around* "Oh crap, must of left it down there my bad. I'll go grab it."
Him: *Lifts up the bottle* "You mean this right here?"
Me: "Oh thanks sir"
Him: "Not so fast. You know what this is? This is excessive littering."
Me: "..excuse me?"
Him: "I'm gonna have to write you a ticket. Hope your poweraid was worth it. Thanks for offering to get it though"

And I got fined $500 for littering. What. The. Fuck. It was an honest mistake, I forgot the damn thing. I didn't throw it in the bushes, I didn't toss it in the water, it was sitting upwards on the path closed and I honestly forgot it. That's fucking excessive. No warning, no nothing. What the shit...

I have the option to take it to court and fight it, but I risk getting higher fines and 60 days in jail.. for poweraid.

[Kornman00]

His dept is probably poor and/or he has a quota to fill. What a jackass, sorry to hear to man :/, that's being an "excessive dick".

e: Actually, how is a single bottle "excessive"? I'd fucking fight that, there's no way that can be considered excessive. Multiple objects, yes, but a single fucking bottle, I don't think so scooter.

[PlasbianX]

The only thing I'm afraid of though is risking that 60 days in jail. If he was that quick to give me that big of a fine over something small, I don't know if I wanna take the risk of getting completely raped in court.

[Cortexian]

how is a single bottle "excessive"? I'd fucking fight that, there's no way that can be considered excessive. Multiple objects, yes, but a single fucking bottle, I don't think so scooter.
I'd fight that, it wasn't excessive at all.

Wardens are VERY finicky though, at least around here. They'll watch you with binoculars from afar and document everything you do so they can try and ding you for something little. We got a small fine for public urinating once when hunting because we pulled off the road to take a piss ha. We were debating on trying to fight it by trying to say he was invading our privacy because he was watching us pee or something. Decided the $20 fine or whatever wasn't worth it.

[DarkHalo003]

That was bullshit. It was one item, you were there and admitted you forgot it, no warning, and he probably was trying to match a shit quota. That's the kind of police work that makes me bang my head against the wall. What a load of shit.

[Kornman00]

The only thing I'm afraid of though is risking that 60 days in jail. If he was that quick to give me that big of a fine over something small, I don't know if I wanna take the risk of getting completely raped in court.
It's called bullying. The big kid in the play ground will ask you for your lunch money, then say you can go tell the teacher, but he'll beat you up. Now the kid is a thief and threatening assault. This cop-wanna-be is just being a bully, I don't see how any judge would/could sentence you to 60 days in jail for fighting this. I'd rather spend 500$ on legal counsel to win my case against this fuck face than pony up 500$ to the state.

[PlasbianX]

I'd fight that, it wasn't excessive at all.

Wardens are VERY finicky though, at least around here. They'll watch you with binoculars from afar and document everything you do so they can try and ding you for something little. We got a small fine for public urinating once when hunting because we pulled off the road to take a piss ha. We were debating on trying to fight it by trying to say he was invading our privacy because he was watching us pee or something. Decided the $20 fine or whatever wasn't worth it.

They do that here. They sit in the swamps around here in ghillie suits with night vision goggles and they watch you for hours and hours hoping they can find one thing to get you on. The thing is, where we were positioned near the lake, the only possible place he could of been hiding to watch us would of been directly behind us. So I'm surprised he didn't get me for public urination either because i definitely pulled it out and pissed in his general direction at least once. It's just every time i've ever run into a game warden while out fishing, they've always been cool, just wanted to make sure I had my license, wanted to know if I got anything decent, and to make sure I wasn't smoking any pot. (it's actually pretty bad around here; lot's of people go to the swamps to smoke)

This guy though.. was just an absolute dick.

[TVTyrant]

ODFW people and State Troopers are generally very nice about things. I once forgot my license in my other jacket and the guy just winked and said "Well be sure to have it next time" and went back into his car. You guys must live in overpopulated areas full of dickweeds or something.

[sleepy1212]

fight it, half the time they never even show up to court.