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TeeKup
March 29th, 2008, 08:45 PM
http://www.phoenixgraphix.com/amc/9602wse.jpg

TJ for the 1997 model year (note that there was no 1996 model year; the 1997 TJ was released in Spring 1996). This updated Wrangler featured a coil-spring suspension (based on that of the Jeep Grand Cherokee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep_Grand_Cherokee)) for better ride and handling, and a return to the CJ's iconic round headlamps. The engine is the same 4.0 L AMC Straight-6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Straight_6_engine) used in the Cherokee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep_Cherokee) and Grand Cherokee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep_Grand_Cherokee). A 2.5 L AMC 150 Inline-4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Engines#150_.282.5_L.29_AMC) motor was available on entry-level models until 2003 when the 2.4 L DOHC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOHC) Neon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_Neon_engine#2.4) 4-cylinder engine replaced it. A right hand drive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_hand_drive) version of the TJ was available for export markets, and was also offered for sale to US rural route postal carriers. The version offered to US postal carriers was only available with an automatic transmission.
Other changes included the 1999 additions of a larger standard fuel tank, child seat tethers and sound system improvements in 2000, and a new console, steering wheel, and a revised dashboard for 2001. 2002 saw other minor changes including new colors, along with available wheel styles.

TJ Wrangler Rubicon


The Wrangler Rubicon (named for the famed Rubicon Trail (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubicon_Trail) in the Sierra Nevada Mountains) was introduced in 2003. It featured front and rear Dana 44 axles with built-in air-actuated locking differentials (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locking_differential), 4:1 low-range NV241OR transfer case, 4.10:1 differential gears, 16 in alloy wheels, and Goodyear (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodyear_Tire_and_Rubber_Company) MTR P245/75-R16 tires. 2003 to 2004 featured a standard NV3500 five-speed manual transmission (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manual_transmission), which changed in 2005 to a Mercedes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz)-sourced six-speed. The optional 42RLE four-speed automatic transmission (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_transmission) was available from 2003 to 2006.
A limited run of 1,001 Wrangler Rubicon "Tomb Raider" models were produced in 2003 to promote the Tomb Raider (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_Raider) sequel, Lara Croft Tomb Raider: The Cradle of Life (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lara_Croft_Tomb_Raider:_The_Cradle_of_Life). Along with the standard Rubicon fare, it also included exterior features such as 16 in. Alcoa forged aluminum wheels, Tomb Raider badging, and Mopar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mopar) accessories including a light bar, riveted fender flares, tubular grille guard, diamond-plated bumper guard, etc. Interior features included Dark Slate fabric seats with red accent stitching down the center, silver surround instrument panel bezel, red seatbelts and a Tomb Raider badge with serial number. To match the vehicle in the film, it was offered in Bright Silver.



This is by far the most epic little SUV ever. I've really fallen in love with this vehicle after driving one myself. Theres a 2002 model for sale in a used car lot near my house. Hopefully I'll be able to buy it soon. However I really wish it could do this:
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Sure american cars don't have good resale values. But I doubt you'll find anything as fun as a Jeep.

~ZMT~Trace
March 29th, 2008, 09:24 PM
What the hell is up with all the Gays/Females I know wanting/having a Jeep? Am I weird for thinking Jeeps are ugly and having a Mustang?

SgtBotley
March 29th, 2008, 09:27 PM
Jeep = For the fail.

is all about a 1952 Volkswagen SplitScreen Camper.

TeeKup
March 29th, 2008, 09:30 PM
Jeep = For the fail.

is all about a 1952 Volkswagen SplitScreen Camper.

Normally I'd say kill yourself, but a Volkswagen is a Volkswagen, hard to beat german engineering.

EDIT @ Trace: Because Jeeps are fucking epic, anyone to say otherwise is retarded, unless its about german vehicles.

jxTo04Pa9aU

PenGuin1362
March 30th, 2008, 12:29 AM
What the hell is up with all the Gays/Females I know wanting/having a Jeep? Am I weird for thinking Jeeps are ugly and having a Mustang?


dude, high-fucking-five. what year?

but jeeps are fun, my friend has one. we go off roading all the time and they're a blast to have in the snow

Zeph
March 30th, 2008, 12:34 AM
Jeeps are awesome. If I were to get an SUV, I'd pick up a Santa Fe though. Better value. If I ever get the free money, I'd definitely pick up a wrangler though. They're the ultimate summer car.

Bodzilla
March 30th, 2008, 12:44 AM
jeeps over here are around 60k minimum.

epic fail.

SnaFuBAR
March 30th, 2008, 12:45 AM
Am I weird for thinking Jeeps are ugly and having a Mustang?

if it's not a 60's era mustang, it sucks, it fails, it's terrible. yes, jeeps are ugly, but they're holding a design cue from military lineage. they're not for being pretty, they're for trail blazing and catering to a completely different lifestyle.



Normally I'd say kill yourself, but a Volkswagen is a Volkswagen, hard to beat german engineering.

L O FRICKIN L, the old VW's are some of the most polluting vehicles out there, they suck. xD way to go wanna-be environmentally friendly hippies! :lmao:

Snowy
March 30th, 2008, 12:49 AM
Jeeps are like tin cans.

ima_from_America
March 30th, 2008, 12:55 AM
1969 Dodge Charger, Dukes of Hazzard style por moi.

JDMFSeanP
March 30th, 2008, 01:01 AM
You'll have fun with a keep for about a month, then it will be a nonstop moneypit.

Enjoy!

SnaFuBAR
March 30th, 2008, 01:04 AM
only if you keep adding parts to it, like i did. they're very good machines, with excellently built engines. 300k miles is not uncommon. and yes, i'm talking about the engine, and not the rest of the vehicle. most i ever had to do to mine was a head gasket swap.

they also cost far less to maintain for people who can't replace their own parts than other brands like honda and nissan.

DrunkenSamus
March 30th, 2008, 01:14 AM
Man speaks the truth. Jeeps are awesome cars especially here in Cali. It's great for the beach and off-roading, and you can take the roof AND the doors off!.

JDMFSeanP
March 30th, 2008, 01:31 AM
All my friends that have owned them in my auto shop think that they are so cool when they buy them, but they constantly have to buy parts for them after they break down.

SnaFuBAR
March 30th, 2008, 01:35 AM
tell them to stop buying them from people who couldn't tell antifreeze from engine oil :downs:

JDMFSeanP
March 30th, 2008, 01:36 AM
We all know what we are doing.

His flex plate cracked and then his started died. Then his engine start leaking which would foul the starter connections and so his car still wouldn't start.

Mr Buckshot
March 30th, 2008, 01:51 AM
Jeeps are for army wannabes. If you want a car that has four-wheel drive and a retractable top, buy an Audi TT convertible with Quattro all-wheel drive. Better reliability, lower emissions, and a more comfortable ride.

Personally, I think Jeeps are as ugly as pretty much every American car I've seen and/or rented. The only reason why the army uses them is because they're easy to mass produce and offer excellent mobility with great off-road ability for a lower price. Plus, you can mount machine guns on the back (aka early Warthog), whereas a normal SUV would have the problem of the mounted roof. And finally, a Jeep is the only 4WD utility vehicle that has great rear-view visibility, so say goodbye to back-over deaths and accidentally knocking into pillars while parking. Real SUVs depend on reverse-view cameras and sonar sensors to counter this problem.

If you've got the money and want to look like an army man, buy the Jeep and buy a BB turret to mount on the back. If you need a practical car, the Jeep is a must-avoid choice, not just because it's American but because it's impractical in many respects and has few tech options. Let's see...no GPS, no cell phone integration, and fewer airbags than a Honda Civic...outdated and unsafe.

P.S. no offence towards America in general, it's a great country but the same cannot be said for its domestic automobiles and airlines.

Ironically, if I become some CEO with more money than he deserves 20+ years from now, I'll probably buy a platoon of Jeeps and hire a bunch of mercenaries to drive the Jeeps to escort my car and provide security cover.

SnaFuBAR
March 30th, 2008, 02:13 AM
We all know what we are doing.

His flex plate cracked and then his started died. Then his engine start leaking which would foul the starter connections and so his car still wouldn't start.
i'm sorry, but if you're driving with a cracked flex plate, you've gotta be an idiot, and probably don't know very much of what you're doing. gee i wonder why his jeep started being unreliable:confused2:

PenGuin1362
March 30th, 2008, 03:37 AM
My friend's wrangle is a 98 I believe with....200k miles? Somethin around there. He hasn't had to really do anything to it. New brakes, and one other minor repair which I forget what.

~ZMT~Trace
March 30th, 2008, 09:04 AM
dude, high-fucking-five. what year?

'94


but jeeps are fun, my friend has one. we go off roading all the time and they're a blast to have in the snow

I live in the flattest state in the USA :smith:, so going off-road isn't very fun at all. :c

TeeKup
March 30th, 2008, 02:20 PM
Jeeps are for army wannabes. If you want a car that has four-wheel drive and a retractable top, buy an Audi TT convertible with Quattro all-wheel drive. Better reliability, lower emissions, and a more comfortable ride.
Jeeps are for those who like to go offroading, last time I checked, doing that in an Audi TT is pretty much stupid.

Personally, I think Jeeps are as ugly as pretty much every American car I've seen and/or rented. The only reason why the army uses them is because they're easy to mass produce and offer excellent mobility with great off-road ability for a lower price. Plus, you can mount machine guns on the back (aka early Warthog), whereas a normal SUV would have the problem of the mounted roof. And finally, a Jeep is the only 4WD utility vehicle that has great rear-view visibility, so say goodbye to back-over deaths and accidentally knocking into pillars while parking. Real SUVs depend on reverse-view cameras and sonar sensors to counter this problem.
Didn't you read Snaf's post? They're not meant to be pretty, they're for those who like going offroad and having fun with friends. Also, the military doesn't use Jeeps anymore, they use the Humvee. Backing up issues? Cameras? I have driven a wrangler before and it was the easiest thing to back up in. Why don't you just stay in vehicle threads that mention your precious Infiniti's and Lexus'.

If you've got the money and want to look like an army man, buy the Jeep and buy a BB turret to mount on the back. If you need a practical car, the Jeep is a must-avoid choice, not just because it's American but because it's impractical in many respects and has few tech options. Let's see...no GPS, no cell phone integration, and fewer airbags than a Honda Civic...outdated and unsafe.You're being fucking retarded. Anyone can buy a goddamn GPS, TomTom, Garmin. A Jeep isn't meant to have a cellphone integration and they have airbags and huge fucking roll cages and are made of steel; and we've said time after time in this thread, the purpose of a Jeep is to really go out and having fun in nature.

P.S. no offence towards America in general, it's a great country but the same cannot be said for its domestic automobiles and airlines.
How about you stop bashing American cars altogether? Chrysler, Jeep, and Dodge along with Ford, Chevrolet and their Subsidiaries are really great vehicles and a lot of people tend to enjoy them. Seriously though, just shut up.

Ironically, if I become some CEO with more money than he deserves 20+ years from now, I'll probably buy a platoon of Jeeps and hire a bunch of mercenaries to drive the Jeeps to escort my car and provide security cover.
Wow thats just really retarded. You're fucking spoiled and you have no clue.

Answers in bold.

JDMFSeanP
March 30th, 2008, 02:27 PM
i'm sorry, but if you're driving with a cracked flex plate, you've gotta be an idiot, and probably don't know very much of what you're doing. gee i wonder why his jeep started being unreliable:confused2:

Sorry I ment his starter died, we found his flexplate crack like an hour or two after it happens because we had been using his car in class.

Kalub
March 30th, 2008, 03:41 PM
Jeeps are for army wannabes. If you want a car that has four-wheel drive and a retractable top, buy an Audi TT convertible with Quattro all-wheel drive. Better reliability, lower emissions, and a more comfortable ride.

Personally, I think Jeeps are as ugly as pretty much every American car I've seen and/or rented. The only reason why the army uses them is because they're easy to mass produce and offer excellent mobility with great off-road ability for a lower price. Plus, you can mount machine guns on the back (aka early Warthog), whereas a normal SUV would have the problem of the mounted roof. And finally, a Jeep is the only 4WD utility vehicle that has great rear-view visibility, so say goodbye to back-over deaths and accidentally knocking into pillars while parking. Real SUVs depend on reverse-view cameras and sonar sensors to counter this problem.

If you've got the money and want to look like an army man, buy the Jeep and buy a BB turret to mount on the back. If you need a practical car, the Jeep is a must-avoid choice, not just because it's American but because it's impractical in many respects and has few tech options. Let's see...no GPS, no cell phone integration, and fewer airbags than a Honda Civic...outdated and unsafe.

P.S. no offence towards America in general, it's a great country but the same cannot be said for its domestic automobiles and airlines.

Ironically, if I become some CEO with more money than he deserves 20+ years from now, I'll probably buy a platoon of Jeeps and hire a bunch of mercenaries to drive the Jeeps to escort my car and provide security cover.

Have you ever even seen the real world? You seem to be living in some stuck-up high class society where people wipe their ass with money.

Personally I drive a 93 Eclipse, and I love it to death, and shit the thing doesn't even have powersteering! Its not the luxuries of the vehicle that make it awesome, its what you do with it, and how you use it. Personally I wouldn't be romping around in some mountain trail in some Lexus Awesomesauce 90000T that cost me 100K.

If Teek wants one of the most well recognized American SUV's around then stop harassing him. There is so many things you can do to a Jeep to make it stronger, better looking. And talk about gas economy, the little 4cyl, or straight 6's are excellent in town and around.



Also, I love my Gramps jeep -- 95 Wrangler Sahara Edition = Sweet sauce.

http://www.rockymountainsusp.com/Brandon_Jeep.jpg

Zeph
March 30th, 2008, 03:45 PM
Answers in bold.

I tend to agree with this post as the quotee clearly doesn't understand the point of a jeep wrangler. Especially when he uses practical car and cell phone integration in the same sentence.

Kalub
March 30th, 2008, 04:01 PM
YFMLDh3OOew

Can't tell me this isn't awesome either

thehoodedsmack
March 30th, 2008, 04:03 PM
Bigass puddles FTW. That's what it's all about. :dance:

Idjiki
March 30th, 2008, 04:07 PM
JEEPs are the best out there for pure fun...

just don't take 'em off motocross jumps like I did... the thing is so front heavy i landed almost perfectly vertical... luckily there was a slight lean and the car came back down on all 4's...

Just take off all the doors and the roof... get a friend to "surf" the hood and see if you don't have the best time of your life or your biggest regret... ha, it was the best time for me, my friend still lives!

JEEPs make you feel like there's nothing you can't take on...
and they have a rustic beauty... the one's that haven't rusted out yet

~ZMT~Trace
March 30th, 2008, 04:21 PM
I'm starting to think about buying a Jeep. How good are they at climbing mountains?

Kalub
March 30th, 2008, 04:32 PM
Trace, I'm glad you asked. I'll have to go dig up my pictures from last summer.


http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/2744/panorama1vb1.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4897/panorama2hz3.jpg

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/282/panorama3th3.jpg

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/3374/campingtrip51gd3.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9981/campingtrip42aw9.jpg

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6460/campingtrip71gb5.jpg

Info, and such here (http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?t=57217)

Mass
March 30th, 2008, 05:16 PM
@ buckshot
Practical car? My dad drives an '85 Civic. 45mpg for city driving, perfectly capable of high speeds, cheap, easy parking, low maintenance. We just fixed the thermostat and muffler, runs real easy. Cell phone integration? lol. Not to mention it has a cigarette lighter, and that means it can run pretty much all electronics these days.That's a practical car. Who the fuck needs GPS? Whenever I get in a friend's car with that crap it always gives them the wrong directions. You need to be pretty slow not to be able read a map. I'll stop ranting while I can.

Also teek, paint that thing pink and go on a road trip. :D

TeeKup
March 30th, 2008, 07:53 PM
Trace you'll find Jeep's VERY capable on almost any terrain.

@ Massacre: I was actually thinking a dark purple or maybe even a red.

~ZMT~Trace
March 30th, 2008, 08:41 PM
No, Paint it Hot Pink, and drive it through Kentucky and Alabama, with the door off. If you survive, I'll give you my Mustang and $100.00.

Jay2645
March 30th, 2008, 08:52 PM
So many sex jokes in this thread title... Must... Hold... Back... New... Rule...

Anyway, Teekie, if you like it, get it.

EDIT: Oh, hello 3 pages that I never noticed until now. How are you?

JDMFSeanP
March 30th, 2008, 08:56 PM
Or look at old toyota trucks.

TeeKup
March 31st, 2008, 06:49 PM
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4148/wranglerquotesv2.png
Not bad, although I am a fan of the Patriot and it IS cheaper. If I do go for the patriot here's its quote.
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6606/patriotquotejw7.png

Kalub
March 31st, 2008, 07:47 PM
Eww no!


Sorry, but I've always been a fan of the older jeeps -- you know the ones you can put into 1st in the low ratio and climb a tree.