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paintballakid5
April 24th, 2008, 05:32 PM
hey guys... i just started awhile back on my M4 carbine model, and i just need some Constructive crit to help me get it finished..;)

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u264/paintballakid5/m4_4-1.jpg
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u264/paintballakid5/m4_3.jpg
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u264/paintballakid5/m4.jpg
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u264/paintballakid5/m4_2.jpg

thanks!:)

thehoodedsmack
April 24th, 2008, 05:33 PM
Nothing looks too horrible. I'll let people like Snaf pick out the details. It's a good model. With a good skin, it'll look even... gooder.

Bad Waffle
April 24th, 2008, 05:34 PM
are you blind? we have a forum for this stuff.

ICEE
April 24th, 2008, 05:34 PM
Isn't this the sort of thing that goes in studio?


edit: I meh at you WOL

Monopoly
April 24th, 2008, 05:36 PM
All your crit is in your reference picture, it looks nothing like it so something is wrong.

Roostervier
April 24th, 2008, 05:39 PM
Most of the general shape looks wrong, especially the front sight (not sure what it is called). It also looks like you didn't do a very good job modeling the rail system. The magazine looks a little too bent in one spot, but it might be the angle (but I'd still take a look at that). There is a weird face/nonplanar on the handle, and the handle seems a little straight as well (not sure about your tri limit though, it might not matter). The receiver (assuming I know what I'm talking about) looks generally wrong to me as well. You should find a lot more reference pics, and try and find some from some different angles and perspectives.

There are more things that look inaccurate, but I don't want to make myself look like an idiot (unless I already have :\) trying to point them out, since I really only know the core parts of a gun (by name, that is).

paladin
April 24th, 2008, 05:42 PM
Looks a little blocky

Monopoly
April 24th, 2008, 05:43 PM
There's also no ejection button or firing mode switch. Non planars are always nice and there stock is wrong http://www.airsoftshop.com/images/IMG_4118.JPG

LlamaMaster
April 24th, 2008, 05:49 PM
I can't say I totally believe this is yours, even if it is inaccurate. If you can at least do this, why did that tutorial you made look so terrible?

paintballakid5
April 24th, 2008, 05:51 PM
yeah

1: the Clip is a lil messed up.

2: the butt is also messed up, planning to e-do.

3: sorry i didn' know there was a studio thread...:D

@ llamamaster, i can assure you i made this M4.. i'm good at making weapons... but i kinda suck at making BSP's so.... thats why :)

Darkness
April 24th, 2008, 07:13 PM
To me its out of proportion, the but/stock isn't shaped like some oval thing its actually circular. The grip is massive compared to the gun itself, the barrel is fat and modeled wrong, and the front sights are in the wrong place. keep trying and follow the ref better.

PenGuin1362
April 24th, 2008, 07:14 PM
*ehem*

AHHHHHHH!

Terrible execution. Looks nothing like the m4. Find better + more reference pictures and start over.

paintballakid5
April 24th, 2008, 07:34 PM
ok i kinda forgot to add this in the thread title....:rolleyes: so here it is... [WIP]:p

i'm not done, i still need to add a bunch more things to it...:)

SnaFuBAR
April 24th, 2008, 09:01 PM
i'm good at making weapons...
No you're not. Can you look at this and your past work and honestly say you're good at making weapons? In fact, your models are terrible.

PenGuin1362
April 24th, 2008, 09:25 PM
ok i kinda forgot to add this in the thread title....:rolleyes: so here it is... [WIP]:p

i'm not done, i still need to add a bunch more things to it...:)

You have nothing to add to it. Starting over is the best way to fix what you have created. If you started off wrong, 90% of the time you're going to end wrong

paintballakid5
April 24th, 2008, 10:07 PM
No you're not. Can you look at this and your past work and honestly say you're good at making weapons? In fact, your models are terrible.

such as what previous weapons?

SnaFuBAR
April 24th, 2008, 10:20 PM
the ones you were selling on turbosquid that you deleted from your sig.

rossmum
April 24th, 2008, 10:44 PM
You have nothing to add to it. Starting over is the best way to fix what you have created. If you started off wrong, 90% of the time you're going to end wrong
This.

paintballakid5
April 24th, 2008, 11:01 PM
the ones you were selling on turbosquid that you deleted from your sig.

ok,

well i re-did some of the stuff on the m-4 it's kinda a mix of a m4 and a m16 now...:p it's gotta m16 but... because i re-modeled the Car stalk but i accidentally deleted it....:( so i'm not in the mood to re-model it tonight...:rolleyes:

things i changed: Magazine, Whole fromt of the gun.. and he but.

so heres just about an hours work on this gun...

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u264/paintballakid5/m4_newish.jpg
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u264/paintballakid5/m4_newish2.jpg

@snaf.. did you see my m9?

rossmum
April 24th, 2008, 11:06 PM
NO.

It's still way off and looks terrible. Start over and use some decent refs.

SnaFuBAR
April 25th, 2008, 01:40 AM
delete it and start over.

ItsMeTerror
April 25th, 2008, 06:46 AM
Im not one to talk about gun modeling but one that knows what a weapon looks like knows that is terribly off, do as they say start over it's your best bet.

Hunter
April 25th, 2008, 11:22 AM
Looks ok. You need to get the proportions correct though.

paintballakid5
April 25th, 2008, 12:27 PM
Looks ok. You need to get the proportions correct though.

love you hunter.:)

SnaFuBAR
April 25th, 2008, 12:50 PM
looks like all you were looking for was positive input instead of real crit.

rossmum
April 25th, 2008, 01:39 PM
...In which case, fuck off.

paintballakid5
April 25th, 2008, 01:52 PM
looks like all you were looking for was positive input instead of real crit.

no i'm looking for real crit, but it's nice to see a little positive crit.:)


...In which case, fuck off.

as for you... stick a bar of soap in your mouth....:lol:

Hunter
April 25th, 2008, 02:08 PM
no i'm looking for real crit, but it's nice to see a little positive crit.:)



as for you... stick a bar of soap in your mouth....:lol:
That's no way to gain respect as I found out...

SnaFuBAR
April 25th, 2008, 03:02 PM
no i'm looking for real crit, but it's nice to see a little positive crit.:)
His crit was hardly accurate though, it was more congratulatory than anything. He says it looks ok, in which case, he's totally ignoring the fact that your model is completely inaccurate to the reference. All he's done is shine you on and reinforce bad modeling habits.

rossmum
April 25th, 2008, 03:05 PM
as for you... stick a bar of soap in your mouth....:lol:
Yeah... no.

Either start using the crit you're given - ALL OF IT - or pack up and go somewhere else. You won't last a month here otherwise.

Hunter
April 25th, 2008, 03:35 PM
I said it looks "ok" to keep his hopes up, then I told him what to improve on which is the accuracy...

Lets forget that topic and continue to tell him how to improve it.

You need to make sure yo model the weapon accurate, you have got alot of parts which as not the right size.

paintballakid5
April 25th, 2008, 04:02 PM
ok... i'm getting to work onit soon, i've been re-doing my entire backyard.. so hopefully i get some more time soon to work on it soon.

Bad Waffle
April 25th, 2008, 05:52 PM
WIREFRAMES OR TOPIC IS DELETED.

paintballakid5
April 26th, 2008, 03:39 PM
ok.. just keep in mind this isn't supposed to be for a Game so it's not at all low poly...;)

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u264/paintballakid5/wire3.jpg
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u264/paintballakid5/wire2.jpg
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u264/paintballakid5/wire.jpg

Bad Waffle
April 26th, 2008, 03:42 PM
try this, ok? thanks.

http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9328 (http://www.modacity.net/forums/showpost.php?p=239190&postcount=2)

paintballakid5
April 26th, 2008, 07:25 PM
thats what i did, just wihout the 2 models...

Darkness
April 26th, 2008, 08:07 PM
Your suppose to use 2 models one creates a wirefrme and the other is the model so you see a model with a wireframe on it

rossmum
April 27th, 2008, 02:06 AM
Redo it like you were told. It's still horrible.

Disaster
April 27th, 2008, 09:14 AM
WTF is up with that major waste of pollys on the muzzle?

paintballakid5
April 27th, 2008, 12:20 PM
WTF is up with that major waste of pollys on the muzzle?

not a low poly model...:rolleyes:

Bad Waffle
April 27th, 2008, 12:22 PM
Then why is the rest of the gun low poly?

Disaster
April 27th, 2008, 12:22 PM
Are you stupid? Those pollys are wasted. You don't need them. Ex: Tesselating the ground for flat terrain.

rossmum
April 27th, 2008, 12:32 PM
not a low poly model...:rolleyes:
Holy Christ get the fuck out.

Seriously, learn to model decently and don't come back until you have. You can start by actually fucking listening to people when they tell you how not to suck, rather than making up childish excuses or ignoring them.

Bad Waffle
April 27th, 2008, 12:33 PM
i agree with ross, on a less violent note. we have this (http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9324) topic for a reason.

SnaFuBAR
April 27th, 2008, 12:39 PM
not a low poly model...:rolleyes:
the only high poly part of your model is the flash hider everything else is way lower poly and inaccurate. I think you're modeling for attention, not to hone a skill. Your attitude towards critique is shameful.

rossmum
April 27th, 2008, 12:53 PM
Basically, either find something you don't suck at, or actually learn to model properly.

amirite

Roostervier
April 27th, 2008, 01:15 PM
Still, the barrel is the only thing that has that many tris. It's pointless and a waste, as it is already inaccurate. Quit making excuses and just start over already.

e: Shit, didn't see the other page. :gonk:

paintballakid5
April 27th, 2008, 03:58 PM
thanks for the link WOL i'll follow some of those tutorials and start over.. ;)

i'm gonna close this thread and accept your Crit and just delete the m4 model do some tutorials and restart it.. thanks guys!:)

Hunter
April 27th, 2008, 04:12 PM
DON'T MAKE A WIRE FRAME LIKE THAT!

I hate it when people do that. Follow that tutorial which WoL gave you.

And that above comments are true, the only part which is high poly is the muzzle part. (What ever its called :p)

You could easily achieve the same effect with smoothing. and a
lot less polygons. e.g:
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/martynball/Inset.gif

Edit: Btw, I wrote this post before you reply'ed paintallkid...

Zeph
April 27th, 2008, 05:12 PM
DON'T MAKE A WIRE FRAME LIKE THAT!

I hate it when people do that. Follow that tutorial which WoL gave you.

And that above comments are true, the only part which is high poly is the muzzle part. (What ever its called :p)

You could easily achieve the same effect with smoothing. and a
lot less polygons. e.g:
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/martynball/Inset.gif

Edit: Btw, I wrote this post before you reply'ed paintallkid...

What's the difference? That hard edge at the profile of the mesh.


not a low poly model...:rolleyes:

He'd be better off using curves with that high-poly of a mesh.