I'm sorry

[jcap]

If you have problems with extracting using the HEK+, don't hesitate to ask. We can probably guide you every step of the way creating a custom campaign mod properly, but you MUST ask questions properly. Your original dismissal of the HEK toolset and the HEK+ as being "terrible programs" was immature. You didn't know how to use it (no one is born knowing how), but instead of asking for help, you just whined and said your other child toys were better.

Once you extract a map using HEK+, you can explore all of the HEK tools to see how they work in a FINISHED map. I would also highly recommend immediately compiling the scenario as a map file to verify that you can play it in Halo CE. Slow and steady wins the race.

[t3h m00kz]

I don't know what else I can say. I tried to level with you and tell you I've been in the same situation before I made the change over to CE. I tried to tell you it was a bit of effort but well worth it. I tried to give you inspiration and motivation to make the change to CE. You disregarded it, spat in my face and told us you're sticking with PC no matter what.

Seriously. It's not like we're telling you to learn C++. HEK a relatively simple toolset compared to some engines out there that requires zero coding knowledge to use.

I'll probably accept your apology only after you decide to consider our efforts to help you improve and stop treating us like we don't know what we're talking about, and actually start putting effort into what you're trying to achieve.

[Cortexian]

I was expecting criticism that does not only tells me the flaws in my modifications, but also telling me the good stuff about it. You guys just told me what was wrong with it, you didn't give me anything good about it. The thing is, I get really upset when people only point out the bad stuff about my mod, and don't give me anything good about it.

That's not criticism. Criticism is only focusing on the negative.

You are confusing criticism with critique.

[TM_updates]

Hi Marcus, if you want decent uncensored feedback you should come to Halomaps.
A place where people don't deleted your posts, and don't yell at you if your work isn't super insanely awesome!

To the moderator who keeps deleting posts (hi kornman), I'll just PM Marcus :-)

[Reaper Man]

That's not criticism. Criticism is only focusing on the negative.

You are confusing criticism with critique.

This. And even with critique, don't expect a ton of positive crit, as people generally focus on what's wrong, instead of feeding your ego, which you seem to want (I deal with this daily, being in art school and all).

We're not here to tell you how great you are, that's something you earn by creating great content.

Hi Marcus, if you want decent uncensored feedback you should come to Halomaps.
A place where people don't deleted your posts, and don't yell at you if your work isn't super insanely awesome!

To the moderator who keeps deleting posts (hi kornman), I'll just PM Marcus :-)

Sorry that we have quality standards here. I feel like the devs here have earned the right to give harsh critique, seeing what they've contributed to this game.

[t3h m00kz]

Hi Marcus, if you want decent uncensored feedback you should come to Halomaps.
A place where people don't deleted your posts, and don't yell at you if your work isn't super insanely awesome!

To the moderator who keeps deleting posts (hi kornman), I'll just PM Marcus :-)

okay.

Firstly, currently his mod is in PC format. Halomaps is a CE specific forum. His mod would not be appropriate material. He would have to learn HEK.

Secondly, you're going to tell me that he wouldn't get chewed up and spit out if he acted over there how he did here? We started off calm and polite, until he spammed up our Halo CE section with twelve threads and kept locking his old ones, calling HEK a horrible modding tool while not listening to the help that he asked for. We're generally not dicks unless someone is being a nuisance. It's not because his mod sucks, It's because he's acting in an unacceptable manner.

Thirdly, Halomaps posts never get deleted because Dennis constantly lets people break the rules, his justification being "They're mostly 12-15". I firmly believe all forums should expect the posters to act mature, especially in a Halo forum considering it's M-rating. You may call it freedom of speech, but I call it poor moderation. But then again his site would probably get no hits if he kept banning people, so who knows.

With 12-15 year olds, you get people who don't know anything about game developement and think that just because they watched a few tutorials on YouTube they know everything about what they've learned. over at Halomaps, if you whip out a few mediocre Assault Rifle or DMR models, textured or not, you're one of the cool kids. Very few of them have any concept of the subject of art. So yes, people will be giving him asspats regardless of the quality of his work.

The general userbase over at Halomaps has lower standards than most of the furry community.

... almost..

[marcus903]

okay.

Firstly, currently his mod is in PC format. Halomaps is a CE specific forum. His mod would not be appropriate material. He would have to learn HEK.

Secondly, you're going to tell me that he wouldn't get chewed up and spit out if he acted over there how he did here? We started off calm and polite, until he spammed up our Halo CE section with twelve threads and kept locking his old ones, calling HEK a horrible modding tool while not listening to the help that he asked for. We're generally not dicks unless someone is being a nuisance. It's not because his mod sucks, It's because he's acting in an unacceptable manner.

Thirdly, Halomaps posts never get deleted because Dennis constantly lets people break the rules, his justification being "They're mostly 12-15". I firmly believe all forums should expect the posters to act mature, especially in a Halo forum considering it's M-rating. You may call it freedom of speech, but I call it poor moderation. But then again his site would probably get no hits if he kept banning people, so who knows.

With 12-15 year olds, you get people who don't know anything about game developement and think that just because they watched a few tutorials on YouTube they know everything about what they've learned. over at Halomaps, if you whip out a few mediocre Assault Rifle or DMR models, textured or not, you're one of the cool kids. Very few of them have any concept of the subject of art. So yes, people will be giving him asspats regardless of the quality of his work.

The general userbase over at Halomaps has lower standards than most of the furry community.

... almost..

Correct. No matter what website I'm on, people are still going to bash or give me negative feedback regardless of how I act.

Also, I think I have figured out how to put an elite in a spirit without the use of CE. I asked someone on Youtube about it and he told me to look up 'biped animations' in eschaton and change something to 'g-driver'. It's very complicated so I'm waiting on a video from him.

[Donut]

Correct. No matter what website I'm on, people are still going to bash or give me negative feedback regardless of how I act.

absolutely not. "negative" feedback as in telling you what is wrong, yes, but bashing for the sake of bashing? no. the bashing part is almost entirely dependent on your attitude.

think of it this way, if youre running a phone line, who are you going to be more willing to help: the guy who states the problem and politely asks for help, or the loud, pissed off guy who yells a lot?
E: ok let me clarify: there are always going to be a few people who bash you because they can. there are people like that everywhere. we're not ALL going to do that.

[marcus903]

absolutely not. "negative" feedback as in telling you what is wrong, yes, but bashing for the sake of bashing? no. the bashing part is almost entirely dependent on your attitude.

think of it this way, if youre running a phone line, who are you going to be more willing to help: the guy who states the problem and politely asks for help, or the loud, pissed off guy who yells a lot?
E: ok let me clarify: there are always going to be a few people who bash you because they can. there are people like that everywhere. we're not ALL going to do that.

No, people bash because they want to be asswipes who don't know how to give out proper criticism. Giving out negative feedback is one thing, but bashing shows you're a little prick who has no respect for anyone.

You totally misread me when I told you the type of criticism I was expecting. I didn't expect every person to give me positive feedback. I was expected you to give me the good things about my mod instead of the bad stuff. This means that you should give me both the good stuff and the bad stuff about my mod, not just showing off the bad stuff. It's called 'constructive critisicm'

I should have told you the criticism I was expecting. Being rude and telling me that my mod sucks, I need to stop meta swapping, go on CE, etc is not helping me. I know some of you were being nice, but I have reasons to be meta swapping on PC.

Also, whoever the bastard who told me to go on halomaps.org needs to get slapped in the face. That site is dedicated to CE, not PC.

[t3h m00kz]

No, people around here don't bash you to be "asswipes." They bash you because your attitude is horrible and you lack the concept of respect.