Sneak Peak of the New T&R

[Masterz1337]

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8373/a50cb2.jpg

Also in this map is the silenced SMG. And if you're worried that there will be too many snowlevels in CMT SPv2, well... don't be worried.

[DaneO'Roo]

win'd

[WhÎþLå§h ÐÆmØÑ]

Awesome.

[Arteen]

Cliff UV scaling and weird boulder orientation in center! D:

[thehoodedsmack]

It looks the same. But with a new sniper rifle, chief and snow. Didn't you do two out of three of those things last time? What's revolutionizing my gameplay this time around? Is the geometry different?

[p0lar_bear]

Didn't we have a conversation of the map's climate before?

Though now I forget, when cortana mentions a ship touching down on a desert plateau, is she talking about the pillar of autumn or the t&r?

By the way, if you make C10 into a frozen swamp, I will superkick you in the face.

[Stormwing]

By the way, if you make C10 into a frozen swamp, I will superkick you in the face.
lmao. agreed tbh.

I'm cool with climate changes (something new to look at and all), but sometimes it's rather unnecessary. oh well, whatever. It's all just eye candy anyway.

[TeeKup]

Didn't we have a conversation of the map's climate before?

Though now I forget, when cortana mentions a ship touching down on a desert plateau, is she talking about the pillar of autumn or the t&r?

By the way, if you make C10 into a frozen swamp, I will superkick you in the face.

Not all deserts are hot and humid. :o!

I like it.

[n00b1n8R]

^true, but they are dry.

and snow isn't dry. it never snows in deserts.

[Pooky]

I like it. I don't see what the bitching about revolutionary gameplay is though, the gameplay wasn't revolutionary the FIRST time, it was just the same formula added massively onto

[TeeKup]

^true, but they are dry.

and snow isn't dry. it never snows in deserts.

The term Desert is also used to describe an area of desolance and lifelessness, not always a hot sandy area...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrangel_Island_arctic_desert

[AAA]

The term Desert is also used to describe an area of desolance and lifelessness, not always a hot sandy area...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrangel_Island_arctic_desert

Yeah, I did a research paper on deserts, they can be snowy...so, the MC is looking to icky green, might be the model you're using..is that the regular HD MC? or did you chnage the model a bit? if so...make him a little cooler green....>.>

[VendavalEste]

It's a change all right, looks like it's gonna be interesting.

[JDMFSeanP]

^true, but they are dry.

and snow isn't dry. it never snows in deserts.

LIAR!

Desert - any area in which few forms of life can exist because of lack of water, permanent frost, or absence of soil.

I also learned that on the magic school bus in like 1st grade

[n00b1n8R]

LIAR!

Desert - any area in which few forms of life can exist because of lack of water, permanent frost, or absence of soil.

I also learned that on the magic school bus in like 1st grade

and what is snow made off? i'll give you a hint, it's not cotton candy.

and how can you have an absence of soil? does that mean your falling <.<

[someone]

It looks awesome, but I'm not sure about the snowy land. The desert just fits in there perfectly.

[Dole]

And if you're worried that there will be too many snowlevels in CMT SPv2, well... don't be worried.
Is that codename for "AotCR is going to be a desert level... again?"

[DaneO'Roo]

^mb mb or mb something else mb mb mb

[Reaper Man]

Aoctr in summer mb?

[Pred1ator]

lol na, this looks good, unless its hard to sniper with all the snow.....
but the good thing is, its original and when i first looked at the pic i thought i saw aotcr

[nooBBooze]

looks good. and as long as "the maw" wont be a happy sunshine flower garden im good with that.

[Syuusuke]

Too much dandruff, it needs more snow making machines =)

I love snow times =)

[Pooky]

and what is snow made off? i'll give you a hint, it's not cotton candy.

and how can you have an absence of soil? does that mean your falling <.<

Sand isn't soil, nor are snow and rocks

[JDMFSeanP]

and what is snow made off? i'll give you a hint, it's not cotton candy.

and how can you have an absence of soil? does that mean your falling <.<

Are you trying to be a smartass?

What the hell do you think permanent frost is?

[Edward Elrich]

This has gone far enough. Here is the Mirriam Webster online definition of "desert"
1 a : arid land with usually sparse vegetation; especially : such land having a very warm climate and receiving less than 25 centimeters (10 inches) of sporadic rainfall annually b : an area of water apparently devoid of life

Read the last part: "an area of water apparantly devoid of life." It's already been mentioned: snow is water. And since nobody knows about the precipitation Halo gets, nor if it gets any, there is nothing wrong with AOTCr being called a "desert level." (Don't forget, Cortana DOES mention something about the ring's weather systems possibly malfunctioning, or the ring was designed to have inclament weather, even if it wasn't enough to be more than 25 centimeters of rainfall. Snowfall is different than rainfall, since a small portion is water.) Now stop arguing about what CMT should call their levels, or face the wrath of Japanese cussing. (No, jcap, I wouldn't really do it, but it's sometimes fun to bluff. I'll think of something else.)

And now my on-topic post: Looks great, but I thought T&R was a night level. It looks kinda of bright to me.

edit: my half-dead brain didn't see everything in that picture. Now I see why it looked lighter than it actually was.

[Masterz1337]

Right now it uses the same lightmaps as the origanal.

[Kalub]

Oogleh, and Bo-rang.

Please masters, make a fully custom map :( I really hate the mods.

[Masterz1337]

We have a Custom SP map in delevopment, but we're doing it after we have the SP mod done.

[Atty]

I think that redoing the SP is stupid. You should dedicate the time and resources to creating a custom one, not further modifying (and ruining) an already existing SP.

[AAA]

or we could accept the fact that they're making a fun campaign....I've ben looking forward to this since the first one. I like variety

besides, I don't a couple of you is going to stop their determination from completing that mod. and that SP level they're gonna work on after their done with the SP recreation. is going to rock. Considering it's a new, cool, campaign map that looks and sounds like it's actually worth playing :)

[Chief117]

I likey map. looks good but the walls look wierd. I don't like snow, or the MC, again still very dark. Hmm. I guess I don't like that much after all..

[Boba]

Make it daytime.

[Pooky]

^ agree

CMT mod has too much dark bullshit, let's see some sunlight

[Edward Elrich]

The whole point of the start of T&R was that it was nighttime. That's why for at least that one level you have the night vision on your sniper, and part of the dialogue itself involves using the night vision. Make it daytime, and it's gonna make no sense whatsoever.

[AAA]

CMT may have some dark stuff....but it's nothing you can't turn your brightness up about.

[nooBBooze]

hopethe new t&r will include the fancy heat-nightvision thingy.

[AiRgUItaR901]

I like it, the chief looks kind of weird, I dunno. Time for the noob question: When are the maps being released? :D

[Pooky]

CMT may have some dark stuff....but it's nothing you can't turn your brightness up about.

That's no justification for every single map being dark.

[I_Am_Error117]

If any of their maps are dark for you you have a messed up monitor or something. THey are fine for me. ANyways the Snow look is different. Silinced SMG and other stealth weapons like someosted in the "What would you like to see in SPv2" thread.

[Pooky]

I can't see where I'm going half the time with the brightness turned UP and a BRAND NEW MONITOR. They're too dark. And it's not just some of them, ALL the maps, with the exception of Fragment, are too dark.

[Arteen]

I'm assuming that CMT isn't going to do much, if anything, to the radiosity properties of the new T&R. If that map is too dark, it's your problem because it will only be as dark as it normally is.

[Limited]

Snow. What the fuck?

[AAA]

Seriously, get over it.....snow is actually a good touch to that. night...with snow......I like it :)

[Limited]

Snow is only good if implemented well, slapping snow on a map doesnt make a great effect =\

[Galap]

it looks pretty good in the pic.

[Dole]

If you want to emphasize the Covert Ops theme behind the map, add blizzard thickness precipitation and knee-deep snowdrifts.

[teh lag]

Bada-bump.

Leet mountain bitmaps done by Conscars, sky and de-streching of cliffs done by me.
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/1211/haloce2007030618151618ez1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/6251/haloce2007030618152268ua3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/9168/haloce2007030618165557nw9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
The first person who complains about the hud in the last pic gets a prompt kick in the face.

[Masterz1337]

Whats with that grenade HUD? :-p

[Pred1ator]

kool i guess? what happend to the HUD and the AR?

oh yeah and masterz, 3 words
*kicks in face*

[teh lag]

*kicks masterz in the face*
Unless something turns out to be horribly wrong, this will end up being the a50 and d20 sky.

[Hotrod]

That looks very nice. But I'm not too sure about the green health bars, they would probably look a lot better if they were the same color as the shield meter.

[Dole]

Awesome. Reminds me of the first level of 007:Nightfire.

[Arteen]

Awesome, but I don't like the messed-up grenade HUD. :p

[AAA]

something is wrong with the AR, it's not shiny and it doesn't have the CMT counter anymore:(

EDIT: That sky is Amazing. it really works with the level. I vote keeep it =P

[teh lag]

The AR and hud aren't what you're supposed to be focusing on people...

[I_Am_Error117]

cool

the hud sux0rs lol

[p0lar_bear]

Whats with that grenade HUD? :-p

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p119/p0lar_bear/kickyouintheface.png

[Dole]

something is wrong with the AR, it's not shiny and it doesn't have the CMT counter anymore:(
That's because it's the Bungie stock AR. I guess it's not re-populated with CMT weapons.

[Caboos001]

The mountains look pimp. Will they be appearing in attack on the control room or something similar to them? I like the HUD as well, would look nice if it were curved to the contour of the visor IMO though.

[teh lag]

That's because it's the Bungie stock AR. I guess it's not re-populated with CMT weapons.

No... my version of the CMT ma5c base shader just isn't overly shiny like the one Masterz has.


The mountains look pimp. Will they be appearing in attack on the control room or something similar to them?

Well.. there really isn't anywhere for them to go, seeing as how the map is in a huge canyon... as it isthe normal ATOC sky is just fog, no model/shaders at all.

[AAA]

The mountains look pimp. Will they be appearing in attack on the control room or something similar to them? I like the HUD as well, would look nice if it were curved to the contour of the visor IMO though.

Yeah, I see no problem with the new HUD I think it's looks Great.:)

[DaneO'Roo]

>_> whats with the AR tbh, it looks like mine, but then....it doesnt :/

Cliffs are leet, map looks leet, but FUCK it looks dark, I had to turn up the gamma on my PC to the point where everything is blinding me.

[Masterz1337]

It uses the same lightmaps as the origanal one from PC.

[DaneO'Roo]

well, THAT screenshot, it looks totaly pitch black to me on my normal settings. Pitch black, with a hud on it.

>_>

[n00b1n8R]

^

OMG FIX IT YOU BAD BAD TYPE PERSON FIX FIX FIX

[VendavalEste]

Cliffs are leet, map looks leet, but FUCK it looks dark, I had to turn up the gamma on my PC to the point where everything is blinding me.

Looks like I'll be making good use of the torch and night vision then.

[n00b1n8R]

or turning up your gama.

could CMT make one map that i don't need to make it really bright in gama and muck my other maps? isn't their a tool in sapain for doing that?

[itszutak]

It's the way that CMT does their skys...Too bad that dark things look like shit in H1. :/

[Edward Elrich]

oOoOoO! I think the weapon HUD (not the ammo count, but the other HUD) should be transparent like the grenade HUD. But it looks -blam!-ing awesome. <-- NOT a complaint, the HUD looks awesome, it's just a suggestion.

[AAA]

oOoOoO! I think the weapon HUD (not the ammo count, but the other HUD) should be transparent like the grenade HUD. But it looks -blam!-ing awesome. <-- NOT a complaint, the HUD looks awesome, it's just a suggestion.


meh. it wouldn't match all the others, kinda weird looking IMO.

[Love De Lux]

^Agree.

The new feeling of the map look nice to me. Are your guys redoing the bsp ? (geometry)

[I_Am_Error117]

The snow look actualy suits the map, SO STOP YER COMPLAINING. Thank you. :)


Oh and is the inside of The Truth an Reconciliation (ship) being re-skinned. I think I've seen too much covenant purple in my days.

[teh lag]

Are your guys redoing the bsp ? (geometry)
As far as I know, no bsp changes other than shaders will be made. Getting imported bungie bsp recompiled without tool bitching is notoriously hard to do, especially if you try to keep portals intact.


Oh and is the inside of The Truth an Reconciliation (ship) being re-skinned. I think I've seen too much covenant purple in my days.
No real reason to - since purple seems to be the dominant color of the Covenant metals, we wouldn't really have any reason for reskinning except possible giving existing interior textures more detail. (Which in itself isn't too likely, all of Masterz' high-rez bitmaps shoot up mapsize like crazy.)

Then again, Masterz might have another one of his crazy (:p) ideas for this, so this isn't set in stone.

[I_Am_Error117]

Well I dont know if yall saw this but this T&R looked amazing.


http://forums.halomods.com/viewtopic.php?t=52751

[Arteen]

Well I dont know i yall saw this but this T&R looked amazing.

http://forums.halomods.com/viewtopic.php?t=52751
From what I can tell, the interior looks just like regular T&R with deeper bumpmaps or something. On a side note, b30 looks great, and a50 exterior looks okay. It isn't better or worse, but just different. The ground map could use an alpha channel for dirt or something.

[Dole]

I don't think CMT is going to copy the work of another fan-based mod team.

[I_Am_Error117]

I don't think CMT is going to copy the work of another fan-based mod team.

I was trying to say that the repeticious covenant interior is getting boring and maybe they could changeit, I wasnt tryingto suggest that they copy them, just show them that the covenant interior could look better if its not purple.

[Pooky]

I don't like the AR dsplay or HUD those guys have, but <3 the b30 sky. PINK SKY!

[Edward Elrich]

Maybe the doors from Halo 2 should be used in the ship instead of the current ones. (or have something completely new and original.) The doors in H1 were too plain, and it was sometimes a pain to tell which ones were unlocked or not. Or make the doors' lights work the way they did on AOTCR/Two Betrayals, where you actually had to walk up to them to tell if they were locked or not.

[Hotrod]

I like the doors the way they are now. The ones in Halo 2 seemed less Covenant-like than the ones in Halo 1. But if CMT could create new ones that fitted the Covenant's style of building, then that would be good too. But in the end, it's all their choice.