I wonder where Bungie got this from, hmm...

[armoman92]

I was surfing youtube earlier and i stumbled upon this. Look at the sniper rifle that Robocop uses at the 5:55 mark in this vid, resemble anything you know...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRJTQpytAeQ
link to vid, if above embedded not working (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRJTQpytAeQ)

Halo sniper...
http://mahmoudkhatib.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/sniper_large2.jpg

Coincidence or inspiration?

Im not talking down bungie or anything, but this was funny.

whatever, Robocop is amazing and, can someone please tell me, how did they animate the ED-209, for the time its amazing ( I love when the first ED-209 that fights Robocop cant go down the stairs, so classic).

[Saggy]

I was surfing youtube earlier and i stumbled upon this. Look at the sniper rifle that Robocop uses at the 5:55 mark in this vid, resemble anything you know...

oRJTQpytAeQ


Halo sniper...
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1897/sniperlarge2gl4.jpg

Coincidence or inspiration?

Im not talking down bungie or anything, but this was funny.

whatever, Robocop is amazing and, can someone please tell me, how did they animate the ED-209, for the time its amazing ( I love when the first ED-209 that fights Robocop cant go down the stairs, so classic).
ftfy

[legionaire45]

O rly. (http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn55-e.htm)

[thehoodedsmack]

That kill-bot reminds me of Half Life 2 Hunters. Not only because of the sounds, but because it sucks at stairs :awesome:

[armoman92]

O rly. (http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn55-e.htm)

ok u win, but common, just a little...

and thank u Saggy for fix, much appreciated.

[SnaFuBAR]

O rly. (http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn55-e.htm)

knowledge provided by The SnaFuhrer.

[ExAm]

ok u win, but common, just a little...

and thank u Saggy for fix, much appreciated.The rifle in the movie is a modified Barrett M82
http://world.guns.ru/sniper/barett_m82a3_1.jpg

[Cortexian]

Yea I was going to say, it just looks like a modified .50 sniper rifle. You'd be surprised how similar a lot of them look to each other, it looks mostly like a Barrett though. I do believe that there's another scene in that movie where he uses it, and there are better angles, unfortunately I haven't seen it in ages.

[Pooky]

Does this board of all places need a pic of the Halo sniper rifle? :raise:

[Hotrod]

Wow, Halo has a lot of weapons that look a lot like weapons we have today, especially the sniper that legionaire posted...

[SnaFuBAR]

assault rifle = fn f2000
battle rifle = famas
shotgun = neostead
pistol = inspired by imi desert eagle

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

I think the fn f2000 looks more like a MA5K to me, but eh its my opinion.

[Cortexian]

shotgun = neostead
Same mechanical design, looks nothing alike though. I'd bet that the Halo shotgun was thought up without reference to that.

[Warsaw]

http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh11-e.htm

Halo shotgun, sans stock and tactical pump.

[SnaFuBAR]

no, it's the neostead. double over-barrel tube. they just changed it to a traditional pump sequence and stock and put a surefire tactical grip on it. Bungie's lack of originality on the part of human weapons saddens me, but it doesn't make the game any less fun.

[Hotrod]

Agreed, it's sad to see that most of their designs have real world versions...But yes, the game is still awesome.

[Pooky]

Agreed, it's sad to see that most of their designs have real world versions...But yes, the game is still awesome.

Why?

Would you expect people a few centuries from now to have completely reinvented gunpowder weapons for no fucking reason? Of course they would work the same.

[SnaFuBAR]

i would just expect that more than 500 years later they wouldn't be using equipment from 1995.

[Cortexian]

no, it's the neostead. double over-barrel tube. they just changed it to a traditional pump sequence and stock and put a surefire tactical grip on it. Bungie's lack of originality on the part of human weapons saddens me, but it doesn't make the game any less fun.

http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/neostead.jpg

It's not the Neostead, kthx.

If Bungie took any inspiration from that fugly thing then all they took was the over-barrel ammunition tube. If I was designing a shotgun for the near future, it would have an over-barrel ammunition tube for easier loading. Until I see proof from Bungie saying that the used the Neostead as a reference, I disagree.

And you can't get very original with projectile weapons, at least, not ones that would be very functional. Just look at all the fucking AR-15 variants there are to this day.

[SnaFuBAR]

Side-by side top mags are the inspiration, then removing the neostead forward-back pump action to the recognizable american back-forward pump style, with inspiration from the surefire tactical shotgun pump grip, and the benelli m4 shotgun's cheekrest as inspiraton for the stock.

Disagree all you want, I don't really give a fuck. All I do all day for the game is weapon research. It's called an inspiration board, and it's part of design and research. I know better than you because I have been trained to do this. You can try to do better then, since you seem to think you know, rather than posting and image and giving a hypothetical argument as to how you would hypothetically design a hypothetical future weapon. Just because YOU can't get very original with projectile weapons, don't think the rest of the world, especially the design world, is at your low standards, capabilities and so on.

Instead of acting like a SMARTASS, try providing a real argument.

[Cortexian]

Side-by side top mags are the inspiration, then removing the neostead forward-back pump action to the recognizable american back-forward pump style, with inspiration from the surefire tactical shotgun pump grip, and the benelli m4 shotgun's cheekrest as inspiraton for the stock.

Disagree all you want, I don't really give a fuck. All I do all day for the game is weapon research. It's called an inspiration board, and it's part of design and research. I know better than you because I have been trained to do this. You can try to do better then, since you seem to think you know, rather than posting and image and giving a hypothetical argument as to how you would hypothetically design a hypothetical future weapon. Just because YOU can't get very original with projectile weapons, don't think the rest of the world, especially the design world, is at your low standards, capabilities and so on.

Instead of acting like a SMARTASS, try providing a real argument.
Act as high and mighty as you want Snaf because you hold no sway over my posts, unlike some other idiots here. I realize that you know your guns and modeling information, but my argument is perfectly valid. Sorry.

I'm pretty sure that before Halo even came out and I was out bird hunting, I thought that it was pretty stupid to have to load your shotgun from the bottom. And that was when I was like 10 or 11 years old, so if you think that I haven't had the thought about using a shotgun with a over-barrel magazine, you can think again. As for YOUR argument of "Side-by side top mags are the inspiration", all that you've got there is a simple over-barrel magazine fed pump action that anyone could have thought up.

However, I'd love for you to design a new "assault rifle" that's widely accepted by the world as a great firearm. I'm SURE that you've got way more practical design ingenuity then any of the weapons designers that do it for a living at H&K, Colt, Sigarms, Glock, Walther, or any of the other huge arms companies. I'll be sure to buy one when you blow the AR-15 style weapons out of the water, and the AK styles, and all the other great weapon designs out there.

You're a gun nut and from what I can tell, mainly an online gun nut with only moderate field experience (correct me if I'm wrong). I personally try to get out to all of the restricted and prohibited weapons exhibitions I can up here in Canada, and I've handled and fired M16A4's-AUG's-TAVOR's-G36's-Desert Eagles-Glock 36's-All of the Barrett riles (except the new-ish 98Bravo). So please don't turn this into a who knows more about what guns and why discussion, I'm sure we both have some fairly equal knowledge about firearms. You can just model them better.

[Pooky]

i would just expect that more than 500 years later they wouldn't be using equipment from 1995.

I agree, but I can still sort of sympathize with the "if it ain't broke" mentality.

And as you said, it doesn't make the game less fun :p

e: I should also mention that there are some innovations, like the apparently recoilless Rocket Launcher that can be carried and fired while running by ordinary dudes. Or the smart link scopes.

[Hotrod]

Why?

Would you expect people a few centuries from now to have completely reinvented gunpowder weapons for no fucking reason? Of course they would work the same.
Well, I'd expect them to not look almost exactly like 10th century weapons, don't you agree? I was talking about looks by the way, not function.

[SnaFuBAR]

Act as high and mighty as you want Snaf because you hold no sway over my posts, unlike some other idiots here. I realize that you know your guns and modeling information, but my argument is perfectly valid. Sorry.
Your argument is valid even though you had no supporting evidence?

I'm pretty sure that before Halo even came out and I was out bird hunting, I thought that it was pretty stupid to have to load your shotgun from the bottom. And that was when I was like 10 or 11 years old, so if you think that I haven't had the thought about using a shotgun with a over-barrel magazine, you can think again. As for YOUR argument of "Side-by side top mags are the inspiration", all that you've got there is a simple over-barrel magazine fed pump action that anyone could have thought up.
Field experience bird hunting etc counts for extremely little, if nothing, towards the aesthetic design processes. I have been shooting since i was 7 years old. Not many places to hunt around here in suburban California, nor do I have desire to do so. I'm a target shooter myself.

However, I'd love for you to design a new "assault rifle" that's widely accepted by the world as a great firearm.
Haha, i would too.

I'm SURE that you've got way more practical design ingenuity then any of the weapons designers that do it for a living at H&K, Colt, Sigarms, Glock, Walther, or any of the other huge arms companies.

Nope, I just have more aesthetic design experience than YOU. I'm not an ENGINEER, which is what these people are.
I'll be sure to buy one when you blow the AR-15 style weapons out of the water, and the AK styles, and all the other great weapon designs out there.
I'd be honored.
You're a gun nut and from what I can tell, mainly an online gun nut with only moderate field experience (correct me if I'm wrong).
Wrong.

I personally try to get out to all of the restricted and prohibited weapons exhibitions I can up here in Canada, and I've handled and fired M16A4's-AUG's-TAVOR's-G36's-Desert Eagles-Glock 36's-All of the Barrett riles (except the new-ish 98Bravo). So please don't turn this into a who knows more about what guns and why discussion, I'm sure we both have some fairly equal knowledge about firearms. You can just model them better.
It was never about who knows more about guns etc etc, it's about the design process. You were part of the Canadian reserve, am I right? I wouldn't be surprised if you had more knowledge on gun operation etc, as you've likely stripped more weapons than I have. But then again, it doesn't matter, I'm talking about the design process, not who knows more about modern guns or has more experience or handle time. You're the one who turned it into a "who knows what about guns and why" discussion.


don't worry tho i still love you man.

[Cortexian]

It was never about who knows more about guns etc etc, it's about the design process. You were part of the Canadian reserve, am I right? I wouldn't be surprised if you had more knowledge on gun operation etc, as you've likely stripped more weapons than I have. But then again, it doesn't matter, I'm talking about the design process, not who knows more about modern guns or has more experience or handle time. You're the one who turned it into a "who knows what about guns and why" discussion.


I was in the Reserve for two years, yes. In that time I not only used the "general" issue "C7's" and "C8's" (M16A3/M4) but I also used a variety of pump action shotguns (we don't really have an "issued" shotgun up here, and our armory had 6 or 7 different shotgun models at the time). In live fire exercises it was always a bitch to reload the shotguns, and it's always a bitch to reload shotguns when we're out hunting as well. I would love to wield the HALO shotgun for both hunting (longer barrel) and operations, top reloading just makes more sense imo.

Anyways like I said, the only supporting evidence YOU have that the HALO shotgun is based on the Neostead is that it has the same MECHANICAL design (strip away everything except the magazine, barrel, and firing mechanisms on each and I'm sure they're look similar). All I was trying to say is this:

"Every single over-barrel magazine fed shotgun conceived is going to have similar mechanical operation to the Neostead, and it's going to look similar as well. I just don't agree that Bungie used the Neostead as reference, because I'm pretty sure it's not that hard to imagine an over-barrel magazine fed shotgun."

Does that sum it up well enough?

[ExAm]

Oddly enough, I prefer loading from the bottom. It means I don't have to twist my wrist to get my thumb in far enough to fully load a shell.

[p0lar_bear]

The mechanics of the shotgun were inspired by the neostead. The look was inspired by any good ole pump-action shotty.

[rossmum]

bip0lar_bare sweeps in from nowhere and cleans up the argument.

[Warsaw]

The funny thing is that the one I posted was an over-the-barrel magazine...it had the same lines as the Halo one on the magazine too...:lol:. Probably coincidence.

Meh, I think most game developers get their weapon ideas from real-world examples.

[t3h m00kz]

I always thought the BR looked more like the XM8 than the Famas... or a mix between the two.

http://usuarios.lycos.es/blackcatgr/modules/dpHtml/famas.jpg

meets up with good ol

http://homepage.mac.com/topcover/blog/images/XM8FinalVersion.jpg

They get drunk and nine months later

http://www.comicfortress.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/H3-BR55-Rifle_large.jpg

This little bastard flops out onto the floor

[Warsaw]

It has more in common with a FAMAS than an XM8. If you look at the F1 FAMAS and add a scope onto it, it looks very much like a BR55, only square.

[ExAm]

It has more in common with a FAMAS than an XM8. If you look at the F1 FAMAS and add a scope onto it, it looks very much like a BR55, only square.
IMO they modified the top curved area of the XM8, including the scope, and slapped it onto a modified FAMAS base.

[Heathen]

any SMG's irl?

That sounded stupid, but you know what I mean.


E: from Halopedia >.>

The AR (FN2000)
http://images.wikia.com/halo/images/thumb/9/9d/F2000.jpg/800px-F2000.jpg
Robert McLees claims he wasn't inspired by the FN 2000 and similarities are purely coincidental.
http://wiki.battle.no/images/d/d7/Scoped_assault_rifle.jpg
From "Space: Above and Beyond"

The BR (XM8)
http://images.wikia.com/halo/images/0/0a/XM8_Assault_Rifle.jpg
And the
http://images.wikia.com/halo/images/thumb/d/d5/Famas.jpg/200px-Famas.jpg
Go figure...

The Shotty
Mechanically the Neostead but asthetically
http://www.machinegun.pl/sklep/images/marushin_mossberg500_8mm.jpg
The Mossberg500

Sniper
http://tools-of-death.ru/hot/ho01/NWT-20%20(20mm).jpg
NWT-20mm
http://www.gandlairsoft.com/catalog/images/m107-usarmy-.jpg
M107

SMG
http://www.mocpages.com/user_thumbnails/ben_walters_3@hotmail.com/www.brickshelf.com_gallery_gunfreak92_Guns_p401094 3.jpg_SPLASH.jpg
G11
http://world.guns.ru/smg/fn_p90_1.jpg
P90
http://world.guns.ru/smg/hk_mp7_b.jpg
MP7

** A little note about the flamethrower: The Defoliant Projector's number, 7057, is a alpha-numeric call-back to the Weapon from Marathon's name, the TOZT. 7057 also is TOST in leet speak.

The more you know...

[Warsaw]

Your shotgun is wrong. The one I posted looked closer to the Halo one and had an over-the-barrel magazine. Just add a full stock in the correct pattern and change the pump to the traditional back-and-forth, and voila, you have a Halo shotgun (M90, I think it's called).

http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/rmb-93_1.jpg

Also, FN2000 wasn't publicly displayed until 2001. Thus, MA5B could not have been inspired by it.

[itszutak]

Also, FN2000 wasn't publicly displayed until 2001. Thus, MA5B could not have been inspired by it.

They mentioned in that art of halo book that the Bungie team was surprised when they first saw pictures of the FN2000, because of how closely it resembled the assault rifle.

[t3h m00kz]

It has more in common with a FAMAS than an XM8. If you look at the F1 FAMAS and add a scope onto it, it looks very much like a BR55, only square.

Still you gotta admit it resembles both quite a bit. Mechanics of the Famas with the sleek look of the XM.

[Warsaw]

Honestly, I think the XM8 was more inspired by the BR55 than the other way around.


Also:

Bungie- Spy sappin' ma concept art!

[ExAm]

Do you realize how silly that suggestion is?

[SnaFuBAR]

Honestly, I think the XM8 was more inspired by the BR55 than the other way around.


Also:

Bungie- Spy sappin' ma concept art!
~*fly away trolls*~