Modacity shooters' thread

[TVTyrant]

Or, you know, the most fuck ugly kit. But that's just me.
This

bullpup mods on traditional style guns are fucktarded

[rossmum]

Guy on TFR just posted a Kar98k with a fucking PU of all things mounted on it, as well as a sniper safety. Probably a postwar E German sporter or something (though the stock is unfucked with) as I've seen Kar98k PU mounts before, but probing him for better pics anyway since it's a curiosity you don't see often. Will post here if he puts more up.

[TVTyrant]

Guy on TFR just posted a Kar98k with a fucking PU of all things mounted on it, as well as a sniper safety. Probably a postwar E German sporter or something (though the stock is unfucked with) as I've seen Kar98k PU mounts before, but probing him for better pics anyway since it's a curiosity you don't see often. Will post here if he puts more up.
Pics or it didn't happen

[Cortexian]

Shot this dude while he was nonchalantly pretending he was a bush and that we couldn't see him.

http://i.imgur.com/W1gTL.jpg

Then I ripped out his heart with my bare hands.

http://i.imgur.com/ReMF5.jpg

[rossmum]

did you eat it on the spot

if no, 0/10 would not visit again

[rossmum]

fake edit, so fake that it is in fact a double post:

http://i.imgur.com/WDOWl.jpg

[TVTyrant]

My eyes Rossmum! They burn!!!!!! Get that unholy Slavic relic away from my Aryan porn!!!

[Spartan094]

fake edit, so fake that it is in fact a double post:

http://i.imgur.com/WDOWl.jpg
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/1614/1293854023156.png

[rossmum]

The Germans themselves attached PE and PEM scopes to their Kar98ks with some regularity, often using the Soviet mount as well. They also had a habit of reusing captured rifles, field guns, tanks, and anything else that came their way.

Telling that to the DEUTSCHLAND UBER ALLES, WEISSEN RASSE UBER ALLES sorts yields all sorts of fun and hilarious results, especially when you accompany it with photos.

http://i.imgur.com/dBlMK.jpg

Heer sniper near Stalingrad, summer/autumn 1942, captured PEM on PEM side rail mount, fitted to Kar98k by a unit armourer probably

[TVTyrant]

The Germans themselves attached PE and PEM scopes to their Kar98ks with some regularity, often using the Soviet mount as well. They also had a habit of reusing captured rifles, field guns, tanks, and anything else that came their way.

Telling that to the DEUTSCHLAND UBER ALLES, WEISSEN RASSE UBER ALLES sorts yields all sorts of fun and hilarious results, especially when you accompany it with photos.

http://i.imgur.com/dBlMK.jpg

Heer sniper near Stalingrad, summer/autumn 1942, captured PEM on PEM side rail mount, fitted to Kar98k by a unit armourer probably
Looks far cooler than with the PU

[Spartan094]

Looks far cooler than with the PU
I second this

[rossmum]

PU rifle is definitely fake because the dude's friend paid $900 and thinks he got a screaming deal, also it 'has German stamps everywhere' which is a sure sign of fuckery. Back to only having vague photographic evidence they were a thing, I guess.

[JackalStomper]

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/27411689/sks/1111120246-01.jpg
:smithicide:

[InnerGoat]

wow what did you do to your ak47

[Spartan094]

Nice modified yugo sks...ew

[Cortexian]

Not bad, needs a pistol grip though.

[rossmum]

guy on tfr got to shoot the first c1a1 issued to the canadian army the other day

i am so filled with impotent rage :mad:

[TVTyrant]

guy on tfr got to shoot the first c1a1 issued to the canadian army the other day

i am so filled with impotent rage :mad:
Move to a country with real gun laws?

[rossmum]

i care about a bunch of things more than i care about guns so i have no intention of ever moving to america

aside from which america can only get pretend fals anyway unless you're rich as shit, built halfway out of shitty american parts which look awful and don't work properly

[TVTyrant]

i care about a bunch of things more than i care about guns so i have no intention of ever moving to america

aside from which america can only get pretend fals anyway unless you're rich as shit, built halfway out of shitty american parts which look awful and don't work properly
Canada works too but it's cool. You should totes come visit me someday though we will yell at poor people and go shoot guns that are illegal all over the world and I will show you our 1 prison (it's in thew woods and it's real cool).

[rossmum]

canada's gun laws are kind of shit (though far less shit than australia's). can't own c1a1s, what kind of shitlord thought that was a good law

edit: is this forest prison surrounded by really high wire fences and guard towers and with weird low brick buildings in the back with funnels coming out of them???

[TVTyrant]

canada's gun laws are kind of shit (though far less shit than australia's). can't own c1a1s, what kind of shitlord thought that was a good law

edit: is this forest prison surrounded by really high wire fences and guard towers and with weird low brick buildings in the back with funnels coming out of them???
No. It's literally just a building in the woods with signs around it saying "Hey, this is an active prison. Please stay away." It's right next to the quarry where I go and shoot guns, and right next to where I look for deer. It's called "Prison Camp", which always sounds like some kind of horror movie to me.

[TVTyrant]

http://www.oregon.gov/DOC/OPS/PRISON/pages/sffc.aspx

[rossmum]

oh yeah hey, minimum security work camp. yeah, there's one of those about 20-40km from my parents' place along a road in state pine forest.

i think they're keeping actually somewhat dangerous criminals in there now though because there was a bunch of breakout attempts involving armed men, before it was all just white-collar scum who were in for shit like embezzlement.

[TVTyrant]

oh yeah hey, minimum security work camp. yeah, there's one of those about 20-40km from my parents' place along a road in state pine forest.

i think they're keeping actually somewhat dangerous criminals in there now though because there was a bunch of breakout attempts involving armed men, before it was all just white-collar scum who were in for shit like embezzlement.
There are pine forests in Australia? Sounds unlikely...

[Cortexian]

Canadian government fucked up and sold a lot of the old C1A1's to the Inuit in the North, without even realizing that they weren't technically allowed to own them due to the laws. This happened when they retired the C1A1's and moved to the C7 platform.

[TVTyrant]

They should have sold them to the Americans

[rossmum]

There are pine forests in Australia? Sounds unlikely...
where do you think our timber comes from? a lot of the area around where they live gets quite cold (as in, 8" of proper snow in october, which is mid-spring here and usually hot in other areas) so huge swathes of it are state forest


They should have sold them to the Americans
fuck no, we know what you assholes do to cool old guns

keep tapco away from our c1a1s you monsters

[PenGuin1362]

fuck no, we know what you assholes do to cool old guns

keep tapco away from our c1a1s you monsters

I'm not one to judge when it comes to most gun furniture. But seriously who the fuck thinks tapco is a good idea on anything.

Also AK-12 civilian model coming 2013. I'm sure we can expect here in the U.S. not too long after

[TVTyrant]

where do you think our timber comes from? a lot of the area around where they live gets quite cold (as in, 8" of proper snow in october, which is mid-spring here and usually hot in other areas) so huge swathes of it are state forest
Can you hunt the state forest in Australia?

[rossmum]

with the correct permits and in the designated areas, yes

[TVTyrant]

with the correct permits and in the designated areas, yes
Do you guys have Red Stag? Like New Zealand? I have heard of Sambar in the Northern parts.

[rossmum]

all i know of in the area around my parents are stray feral sheep and deer, but they're really conservative with the deer because they don't want to re-introduce an introduced species, but also don't want them overpopulating

most australians just shoot foxes, wild dogs, feral pigs, feral goats, etc. shooting other native wildlife is a big no-no if you get caught but it seldom stops anyone, especially wombats and kangaroos which are immensely destructive little fuckers when allowed near buildings and fences

[TVTyrant]

You should take your mosin pig hunting.

[TVTyrant]

Just found this on AIM

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=A76254MATCH&name=Surplus+Russian+7.62x54R+182grn+FMJ+Match+225 rd+can&groupid=40

DO FUCKING WANT

[Spartan094]

I heard it's pretty good stuff, though I'm not willing to throw down money for a crate...not like I do matches anyways. And the milsurp ammo I got now is accurate enough. It does me fine killing pumpkins, fruit, and the occasional racoons or possums that's trying to attack my dogs.

[TVTyrant]

I heard it's pretty good stuff, though I'm not willing to throw down money for a crate...not like I do matches anyways. And the milsurp ammo I got now is accurate enough. It does me fine killing pumpkins, fruit, and the occasional racoons or possums that's trying to attack my dogs.
Wait, you have raccoons and possums that try to attack your dogs? Isn't it supposed to be the other way around?

[rossmum]

You should take your mosin pig hunting.
never seen one in the wild, i'm not sure there are any ferals around the farm and while i know there are out west of here i also don't have my rifles up here with me

[TVTyrant]

never seen one in the wild, i'm not sure there are any ferals around the farm and while i know there are out west of here i also don't have my rifles up here with me
Where do you live mate? The Northern part?

[Spartan094]

Wait, you have raccoons and possums that try to attack your dogs? Isn't it supposed to be the other way around?
Ha if only, I'm sure a Chiweenie (Dixon/Chihuahua) will do a whole lot. Now my Samoyed (they are nice dogs) on the other hand, I only seen him attack two possums (only one I seen he killed, I had to finish the other off) but I'm sure he's gotten more.

Oh well, it get's my M44 working sometimes.

[TVTyrant]

Ha if only, I'm sure a Chiweenie (Dixon/Chihuahua) will do a whole lot. Now my Samoyed (they are nice dogs) on the other hand, I only seen him attack two possums (only one I seen he killed, I had to finish the other off) but I'm sure he's gotten more.

Oh well, it get's my M44 working sometimes.
The only dogs we have ever owned are Mastiffs and Rottweilers sooooooooooooo

[rossmum]

Where do you live mate? The Northern part?
ahahahahaha no, east coast, about 160 miles north of sydney. there's a lot of pigging around here since several of my old army mates do it but i live in a shared house with 4 other uni students and the landlord downstairs. as chill as he is i don't think he'd be yeah to me getting a fuckoff gunsafe bolted into the floor and then keeping my rifles and ammo here. even if he was, i would need written permission to shoot on someone else's land or a hunting permit (which i do not have and probably will not get in the forseeable future) to shoot on public land. there are no rifle ranges within convenient distance so i wouldn't even be able to get the rifles out to do some shooting.

i shoot on my parents' land and some of their neighbours are cool with us shooting on their land too, so i keep my rifles down there. i don't get to do much shooting, nowhere near as much as i'd like, but it's better than 'none at all' so i'll have to live with it.

re: possums: i know what you mean by that in the us but here they are cute fuzzy things that many people will leave fruit out for at night. they are annoying when they get into your roofspace, but they are timid and since rabies isn't a thing in australia, really not particularly scary even when startled. they also tame really easily. we had one who hung around our place for years (he got caught on the power lines eventually, poor thing) who would actually follow mum along as she came out of the house with food for him and tug on her leg with his little hands if she wasn't feeding him fast enough :-3

e: they will get into brawls with cats though, and being about the size of a 'teenage' cat and fairly strong, they can old their own quite well

[TVTyrant]

Aren't the people there responsible? Why do you need a safe?

[rossmum]

The people here are responsible and actually really awesome housemates, but safes are a requirement by law (as they should be) and must be actually, y'know, safe (again, as they should be).

I trust my housemates not to jack my shit, especially since i lock my room anyway when I'm not home, but I don't trust any asshole who might break in not to jack my shit.

[TVTyrant]

The people here are responsible and actually really awesome housemates, but safes are a requirement by law (as they should be) and must be actually, y'know, safe (again, as they should be).

I trust my housemates not to jack my shit, especially since i lock my room anyway when I'm not home, but I don't trust any asshole who might break in not to jack my shit.
Are there lots of break-ins in Aussie land?

Also, that's not that ridiculous of a law, but as an American who's used to just sticking his guns in his closet (fucking doors are broke on the closet and it's as good as any safe) and not having really any gun regs, it's hard to imagine. Is that a law in Canadia as well?

[rossmum]

As far as I am concerned it is irresponsible to own guns and not have somewhere secure to keep them when you are removed from your house. Over there leaving them around the house while you're home is fine, unless you have kids or an idiot in your house, but over here you would be in a world of shit if you used them on intruders so it's a waste anyway. Of course this does not stop me from filling the house with guns whenever I visit my parents, because I can't help but mindlessly fuck with them while I'm sitting on the couch (this is why I never keep anything loaded indoors and why I check them obsessively every time I pick them up). I do this more with my guns than dad's, since it seems to just be me being really yeah about holding a piece of history in my hands versus a cool but kind of inconsequential hunting rifle.

There are probably not many break-ins here compared to there. There is a lot less crime in general (part of this comes from being less than a tenth the size of America's population, but mostly it's because the country is so much better with social welfare that very few people actually end up feeling the need to do it). There does seem to be a proud Australian tradition of armed bank holdups, though.

Pretty sure Canada also requires gunsafes. I was mortified when I found out they were basically optional in the US; here there are rigid standards on them as well as the requirement to actually have one.

[TVTyrant]

As far as I am concerned it is irresponsible to own guns and not have somewhere secure to keep them when you are removed from your house. Over there leaving them around the house while you're home is fine, unless you have kids or an idiot in your house, but over here you would be in a world of shit if you used them on intruders so it's a waste anyway. Of course this does not stop me from filling the house with guns whenever I visit my parents, because I can't help but mindlessly fuck with them while I'm sitting on the couch (this is why I never keep anything loaded indoors and why I check them obsessively every time I pick them up). I do this more with my guns than dad's, since it seems to just be me being really yeah about holding a piece of history in my hands versus a cool but kind of inconsequential hunting rifle.

There are probably not many break-ins here compared to there. There is a lot less crime in general (part of this comes from being less than a tenth the size of America's population, but mostly it's because the country is so much better with social welfare that very few people actually end up feeling the need to do it). There does seem to be a proud Australian tradition of armed bank holdups, though.

Pretty sure Canada also requires gunsafes. I was mortified when I found out they were basically optional in the US; here there are rigid standards on them as well as the requirement to actually have one.
I think the crime thing (the last couple of years anyways) is kind of inflated by people from other countries. Our crime rate is way way down compared to any other time in American history. The difference I think is that everything gets huge publicity because of our idiotic media.

[TVTyrant]

On the safes thing, I am considering buying a gun cabinet just because it would be a nice way to store my things.

[rossmum]

I think the crime thing (the last couple of years anyways) is kind of inflated by people from other countries. Our crime rate is way way down compared to any other time in American history. The difference I think is that everything gets huge publicity because of our idiotic media.
Oh I'm not saying that you guys are rife with it, I'm just saying we get less here. People get funny looks for even vaguely considering the possibility of having to defend themselves from an attacker and basically nobody seems to give a shit. As far as your average citizen goes crime may as well not exist unless you venture into a really dodgy area, in which case the same problems you see everywhere set in. Putting tons of poor people with fairly bad education and possibly some serious baggage all in the same area just to keep them away from all the middle-class and rich neighbourhoods is a bad idea? Tell me more, I had no idea! :ugh:

[TVTyrant]

Oh I'm not saying that you guys are rife with it, I'm just saying we get less here. People get funny looks for even vaguely considering the possibility of having to defend themselves from an attacker and basically nobody seems to give a shit. As far as your average citizen goes crime may as well not exist unless you venture into a really dodgy area, in which case the same problems you see everywhere set in. Putting tons of poor people with fairly bad education and possibly some serious baggage all in the same area just to keep them away from all the middle-class and rich neighbourhoods is a bad idea? Tell me more, I had no idea! :ugh:
I know Chicago has done a lot with putting project buildings in upper-middle class neighborhoods, and it has worked wonders for their youth crime problems.

[TVTyrant]

I swear to God Oregon is the worst state for hunting.

I need to move to Alaska or Colorado or something. Somewhere where I can chase elk and deer all fall instead of for like two weeks out of the year.

[rossmum]

Cold War Fun Fax: Under the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty, both the US and USSR had to choose one, and only one, area they were allowed to protect from attack. The Soviets chose Moscow, being a capital city, a crucial cultural site, very densely populated and critical to the organisation and control of the Soviet Union.

America, ever one to flip its population off while blowing raspberries, decided to shield bumfuck North Dakota where no cunt lived, because that is where the bulk of their nuclear missiles were. America would rather keep its missiles safe for one final 'fuck you' to end the world than protect any one of its massively populated cities or cultural sites.

More Cold War Fun Fax later, in this thread! Stay tuned!

[TVTyrant]

Cold War Fun Fax: Under the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty, both the US and USSR had to choose one, and only one, area they were allowed to protect from attack. The Soviets chose Moscow, being a capital city, a crucial cultural site, very densely populated and critical to the organisation and control of the Soviet Union.

America, ever one to flip its population off while blowing raspberries, decided to shield bumfuck North Dakota where no cunt lived, because that is where the bulk of their nuclear missiles were. America would rather keep its missiles safe for one final 'fuck you' to end the world than protect any one of its massively populated cities or cultural sites.

More Cold War Fun Fax later, in this thread! Stay tuned!
M.A.D. bro. It works.

[rossmum]

Specifically speaking, the site chosen by the US was Grand Forks AFB, and it followed a 1974 protocol amended to the treaty to reduce protected sites to one per side as neither side had yet chosen a second.

[TVTyrant]

Also I'd be kind of pissed if they saved New York and not where I live or anywhere else. This country is too big and too populated for peace accords like that to work. That treaty was specifically meant to be on the Soviets side etc.

[rossmum]

They had a lot of large cities, too, and many of them weren't actually in Russia.

[TVTyrant]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_and_towns_in_Russia_by_population

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population

Close, but no cigar.

[rossmum]

many of them weren't actually in Russia.
Also, they may not descend as gradually, but there are still quite a lot of cities that aren't Moscow and house a substantial amount of people.

[TVTyrant]

Also, they may not descend as gradually, but there are still quite a lot of cities that aren't Moscow and house a substantial amount of people.
Oh, I am aware. But I'm saying that of course the Russians led by a Russian leader at the time chooses the heart of Russia.

I was hoping you'd realize what the British did not when they fought on the soil of North America- there is no true core or center of our country. But Russia has one, so of course that's what they chose to protect.

[rossmum]

Yeah but you would have figured they would try and keep some Americans alive, but I guess not.

[PenGuin1362]

From their point of view it was if we get attacked, we want the missiles to retaliate, if you strike down Russia's missile sites, it would be ten times easier to take down Moscow then without the threat of retaliation. It sort of make sense tactically, plus no one needs New York or D.C. anyway...

[JackalStomper]

http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x368/_ak_74_/shovel_ak/54.jpg

http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/179192-DIY-Shovel-AK-photo-tsunami-warning!?p=2695046&viewfull=1#post2695046

[Spartan094]

So I bought two Mosin Nagant M38's...for the low low price of $539.98 >_> but I made sure they were more special then just a standard refurb. Going through a rack of 40+ M38's I got to choose two very well I guess unique M38's for refurbs. One is a 1941 (low wall/stepped tangs/nicely machined) and the other is a 1943 (heavily machined). I only have the 41 as the 43 is on layaway (which I'll be getting tomorrow hopefully).

So I'll let the pictures do talking tomorrow since I could go into heavy detail but I would rather do it with pictures, expect pics around 2 pm EST.

[TVTyrant]

So I bought two Mosin Nagant M38's...for the low low price of $539.98 >_> but I made sure they were more special then just a standard refurb. Going through a rack of 40+ M38's I got to choose two very well I guess unique M38's for refurbs. One is a 1941 (low wall/stepped tangs/nicely machined) and the other is a 1943 (heavily machined). I only have the 41 as the 43 is on layaway (which I'll be getting tomorrow hopefully).

So I'll let the pictures do talking tomorrow since I could go into heavy detail but I would rather do it with pictures, expect pics around 2 pm EST.
Spartan, if you are ever looking to sell one of your Mosins then hit me up dawg

[Spartan094]

Alrighty will do.

I forgot my layaway paper slip so ill just get the '43 M38 tomorrow. Pictures to come once I get out of college today of the '41

[Spartan094]

1941 Izhevsk M38
Late/post war stock (stock made for stepped tangs so no gap in the wood)
http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/5268/p1013041.jpg
Photoshoop brightener
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/4761/p1013051.jpg

And matching numbers..they look almost original (iffy on the buttplate)
http://imageshack.us/a/img341/2008/imag1012e.jpg

[rossmum]

M44 stock also.

Fucking gorgeous carbine, wish I could get one. Everyone can get Soviet M44s except me :smith:

[Spartan094]

I've seen Soviet M44's (war-time and post war) time to time but $300 is a joke here in the U.S. I still have ONE more M38 I need to show and I'm going to go get it tomorrow.

[rossmum]

Good lord.

FIBEwY4_Yqc

[TVTyrant]

7 shots, 5 animals.

Goddamn

[Warsaw]

How is there no reply to JackalStomper's link? That shit was hilarious.

[TVTyrant]

How is there no reply to JackalStomper's link? That shit was hilarious.
I thought so too, but no one commented so I got scared.

[rossmum]

I saw it on TFR several days ago so I felt no need to.

[TVTyrant]

So a friend of mine bought a Saiga 7.62x51mm and about 500 rounds of soft point ammo for it. Haven't gotten to shoot it yet, but the thing is a work of art in both how awesome and how crappy it is. The sights are awful, but it only took us about 3 seconds to pull it almost completely apart. If we go shooting in the next few weeks I will be sure to take some bad pictures.

[Spartan094]

I got my 2nd M38..she bugly. Ill post pictures sometime later after school.

[Spartan094]

M38 - 1943 Izhevsk
M38 war-time stock (replacement hand-guard)

It's mostly original...replacement parts look to be the barrel bands (both Izhevsk marked), hand-guard, and the rear sight (I'm not sure thou). Every single part is marked Izhevsk, sear is in-the-white. When I got it, the whole thing was covered in cosmoline and it had a fuck ton of black paint. The paint came off and this is what I got.
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/2619/p1013083.jpg
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7408/p1013084.jpg
I dunno what these marks are..I like to think kill count but if so the russian couldnt count.
http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/6978/p1013085.jpg

And for numbers (I was lazy)
http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/5733/numbers.jpg

So what do you guys think? I believe this to be 90-95% original and it doesn't look like it was ever re-blued or much done to it. Oh there was active rust on the magazine plate but that was hidden which I fixed.

[TVTyrant]

That is one ugly Mosin

[Spartan094]

Old but shoots very good, and has a shiny bore! Oh and the two M38's I got are not counter-bored.

[rossmum]

I dunno what these marks are..I like to think kill count but if so the russian couldnt count.
This is not a thing soldiers do. Genocidal maniacs in the Balkans, yes, but not regular soldiers. They wouldn't be able to keep a tally anyway.

Even snipers (who typically did record kills) did it on a notepad, not their rifle, and they did it because it provided intel. Tank, AT gun, and AA gun crews would paint rings around the barrel and aircrews would paint little icons on their planes, but this is the only incidence I've ever heard of where regular, trained soldiers would make some visible tally of all the enemy units they'd destroyed - and note in all of those cases they would have been shooting to disable machines, not kill men.

Kill counts are for snipers and psychopaths.

As for the carbine itself, that stock has obviously been replaced and refurbed (though I could count non-refurb Soviet stocks I've seen on one hand, so that's no big). Metal may be original bluing, that or it had the hell beaten out of it sometime in the postwar period.

[TVTyrant]

Maybe the guy who was behind the rifle's family had been killed in the invasion, and that was his reaction? You never know.

[rossmum]

i have a pretty good idea. if he was that angry he wouldn't care about counting, because every second spent carving a notch into the stock is a second spent not killing germans.

the only place i have ever seen kill notches on rifles is when they were used by untrained and generally genocidal militia members, mostly in the balkans, and even then they are not hugely common.

[TVTyrant]

i have a pretty good idea. if he was that angry he wouldn't care about counting, because every second spent carving a notch into the stock is a second spent not killing germans.

the only place i have ever seen kill notches on rifles is when they were used by untrained and generally genocidal militia members, mostly in the balkans, and even then they are not hugely common.
Gosh Ross, where to Sperg out on this. We were just trying to have fun with the whole "kill notch" idea.

[Spartan094]

Welp, I guess it's just me now...talking to myself and posting guns to myself..yay.

[rossmum]

LOOK WHAT IS BACK IN STOCK. DROP EVERYTHING AND BUY ONE. SELL YOUR SHITTY DIME-A-DOZEN GUNS AND BUY ONE, TWO, OR SIX. (http://www.classicfirearms.com/m91-30-w-scope-and-mount)

[TVTyrant]

site not working :(

[TVTyrant]

Just checked it again

600 bucks? eh.

[rossmum]

You will never see a WWII sniper rifle for $600 again in your entire life, unless it is only worth the parts it is made of or someone accidentally discovers Stalin's personal hoard of them.

These are legitimate, unfucked with, guaranteed-to-have-seen-action WWII sniper rifles. They will outshoot any Mauser or Springfield or Garand and more often than not will shame a NIB Remington 700. Despite being Mosins their fit and finish is superb and they were very clearly hand-fitted with all the love and care of the best Soviet armourers.

Some of the last batch were found to have custom-machined scope mount shims serialled to the rifle with them. These are not "eh, Mosins", these are fucking WWII sniper rifles and the only reason they aren't $firstborn is because the Soviets made a goddamn lot of them, few of which are likely to come into the US again for a long time, if at all.

[TVTyrant]

The guaranteed to outshoot any Springfield or Mauser part makes me go "lol, Ross" as I have seen many sub MOA groups produced from Mausers and Springfields here in the states. But the collectible part is pretty legitimate. If I had the cash, your pitch would have worked on me to plop down the money. Especially since I have the feeling that the FFL 03 is going to be on the top of Obama's new "get rid of" list.

[PenGuin1362]

What's validity of this site Ross? I have seen a few "authentic PU scopes" in the past to find out they were forgeries from Ukraine. If they're legit might have to snag me another pu sniper.

[Disaster]

Mosins with PU scopes are fun as hell to shoot. Though I've only put a few rounds through one, I enjoyed every shot.

[TVTyrant]

https://brassstacker.com/Mauser-See-Thru-Scout-Scope-Mount-combo.html

I think I'm going to install this platform on my 24/47 when I receive it.

Any thoughts?

[Spartan094]

I'd rather buy a Mosin PU...I MAY do it after christmas (depending on funds...and if I wanna sell one of my Mosin's or not)

Though I would find it rather difficult to sell any of my guns. It's like that feel when you pick up a rifle it just speaks to you..well for me it does if I pick up a certain old rifle. Exception being my WASR 10/63 and my heavily refurbed 91/30 '43 Izhevsk..in which the 91/30 I traded for a HDTV earlier this year.

Let's see I have a

-Romanian M44
-2 Izhevsk M38's
-Izhevsk 91/30
-Winchester Lever-Action Mod 94
-WASR 10/63
-10 Gauge Belgium Double Barrel shotgun

And a soon to come to my collection is a Remington M91..though the poor thing got sporterized back in the 30's (stock, and the barrel got chopped to 24 inches but still has original front sight). Pictures on Friday hopefully.

[PenGuin1362]

I always think "oh man, I could sell this gun to help pay for that gun" But then I'm like "well...then I don't have both....and I really kind of want to have both :(" So I find it hard to sell guns lol

Haven't added anything to my collection in a while :( hoping to get something soon

[rossmum]

The guaranteed to outshoot any Springfield or Mauser part makes me go "lol, Ross" as I have seen many sub MOA groups produced from Mausers and Springfields here in the states.
Acceptance standard for a WWII infantry rifle was typically around 3MOA, blowing out to 4-5MOA for semiautos because they are inherently less accurate and it was even more noticeable back then. The overwhelming majority of Kar98ks and M1903s will fall in the 2-4MOA range depending on condition and original build quality. Mosins vary widely for the same reasons.

91/30 sniper acceptance standard was slightly over MOA. Most of them shoot under, the rest shoot at or slightly over. Very few are outside the acceptance standard (I believe it was 1.3) and most of those were badly fucked by time and use.

A Kar98k or 1903 might shoot MOA with a good handload and a lot of fuckery. A 91/30 PU will shoot MOA with Soviet military ammunition.


What's validity of this site Ross? I have seen a few "authentic PU scopes" in the past to find out they were forgeries from Ukraine. If they're legit might have to snag me another pu sniper.
They are confirmed legit, not just by me but by collectors in general. Only the most dense of the tinfoil hat brigade harbour doubts, and they are all stupid ones that are easily disproven.

[Spartan094]

Look who's going to try a "Assault Weapons Ban" I know what I'm going to do with my WASR..keep it.

[PenGuin1362]

The whole argument against "assault weapons" is so flawed a 4 year old could make a better argument for the existence of Santa. That said, it's a retarded debate argued by emotion, on both sides, with the intention of solving all of america's problems with the signing of a bill while ignoring what's really wrong. I think it's best we avoid that discussion here.

[TVTyrant]

The whole argument against "assault weapons" is so flawed a 4 year old could make a better argument for the existence of Santa. That said, it's a retarded debate argued by emotion, on both sides, with the intention of solving all of america's problems with the signing of a bill while ignoring what's really wrong. I think it's best we avoid that discussion here.
Columbine, which many people recognize as the first of these events to recieve this kind of attention, happened after an "assault weapons ban", and that shit didn't help at all.

[TVTyrant]

Acceptance standard for a WWII infantry rifle was typically around 3MOA, blowing out to 4-5MOA for semiautos because they are inherently less accurate and it was even more noticeable back then. The overwhelming majority of Kar98ks and M1903s will fall in the 2-4MOA range depending on condition and original build quality. Mosins vary widely for the same reasons.

91/30 sniper acceptance standard was slightly over MOA. Most of them shoot under, the rest shoot at or slightly over. Very few are outside the acceptance standard (I believe it was 1.3) and most of those were badly fucked by time and use.

A Kar98k or 1903 might shoot MOA with a good handload and a lot of fuckery. A 91/30 PU will shoot MOA with Soviet military ammunition.
That's a good point. The K98s and 1903s I have seen shoot well were refurbs with modern barrels and ammo.

[rossmum]

Look who's going to try a "Assault Weapons Ban" I know what I'm going to do with my WASR..keep it.
I wonder if the NRA will support it like they did last time?

Don't fall into the trap of believing either the NRA or the Republicans (or any other right-wing party) give a flying toss about your right to bear arms when they don't give a flying toss about you in the first place. The NRA has a long and proud history of either quietly ignoring or actively supporting anti-gun legislation, and most of the right-wing filth American gun owners look to for salvation are the same people who passed AWBs or tried to extend them in their own states, who support Government surveillance with absolutely no checks or balances, and who already go out of their way to make individuals powerless against the corporations that bankroll their campaigns. You are deluding yourself if you think Romney wouldn't be clamping down on guns to score points as well, especially since he's done it before.

There is zero threat from the UN, as well, despite idiotic right-wing nationalistic agitation. Anyone who thinks the UN has any power to do anything about privately-owned guns in the US is an idiot and could probably use a sharp punch in the jaw to aid them in realising this.

You are no better off on that side of the fence than you are on the left where, oddly enough, there are a lot of gun owners. I am sick of partisan politics being linked to gun-having.

[Spartan094]

I think I saw somewhere about the NRA supporting the ban...also I can not buy ammo or walk into a gun store at all.

In other news I aquired the sporterized Remington M91...holy crap it's beautiful..if only they kept the buttplate then it would be an all matching rifle despite being sporterized. I have to work soon so I'll post pics later.

[TVTyrant]

I wonder if the NRA will support it like they did last time?

Don't fall into the trap of believing either the NRA or the Republicans (or any other right-wing party) give a flying toss about your right to bear arms when they don't give a flying toss about you in the first place. The NRA has a long and proud history of either quietly ignoring or actively supporting anti-gun legislation, and most of the right-wing filth American gun owners look to for salvation are the same people who passed AWBs or tried to extend them in their own states, who support Government surveillance with absolutely no checks or balances, and who already go out of their way to make individuals powerless against the corporations that bankroll their campaigns. You are deluding yourself if you think Romney wouldn't be clamping down on guns to score points as well, especially since he's done it before.

There is zero threat from the UN, as well, despite idiotic right-wing nationalistic agitation. Anyone who thinks the UN has any power to do anything about privately-owned guns in the US is an idiot and could probably use a sharp punch in the jaw to aid them in realising this.

You are no better off on that side of the fence than you are on the left where, oddly enough, there are a lot of gun owners. I am sick of partisan politics being linked to gun-having.
Dude, we know. We aren't old farts with guns. We're the young generation of America. A lots going to change in 30 years.

[Limited]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/74004_10200276503334897_806847172_n.jpg

[TVTyrant]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/74004_10200276503334897_806847172_n.jpg
Oh boy fun. Here come the trolls in our thread/area, trying to make a mess of things with their shitty, uneducated opinions about guns.

[Patrickssj6]

Bad people with guns need to be killed by good people with guns.

Trolling engaged.

[rossmum]

Hi don't ruin my thread thanks in advance

[PopeAK49]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/74004_10200276503334897_806847172_n.jpg

Notice that it says "no shooting since" instead of "no killings since".

[PenGuin1362]

Nobody values your opinion :downs:.

Also trying to find gen3 pmags is a real bitch at the moment. And someone, for the love all shit buy this. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=320859077

[TVTyrant]

last price was $4100

aborting mission

[Spartan094]

I removed the remington m91 band (not sure if it was the front or rear m91 band) But other than that here is the Sporterized Remington Mosin Nagant M91. Wood stock is customly done, it has the original recoil lug it retains it's original front sight post (it got welded). Everything is remington marked/numbers matching, barrel is just a few inches shorter then a 91/30. It lost it's original buttplate, original wood stock/handguard, one of it's barrel bands, and some barrel length.
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/8251/imag1041a.jpg
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/9855/imag1051u.jpg
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/3461/imag1052c.jpg
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7307/imag1053.jpg
buttplate
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4111/imag1055r.jpg

[azjesse]

Rips.

[rossmum]

Nobody values your opinion :downs:.

Also trying to find gen3 pmags is a real bitch at the moment. And someone, for the love all shit buy this. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=320859077
no don't

scope is legit, mount is probably legit, but the rifle is a refurb that has been humped and the notch may not be original which would make it not actually a sniper rifle

[Spartan094]

Not the mount, the mount looks fake. The rifle is a refurb as well.

[ghk]

lately ive been looking to buy a decent surplus bolt action rifle....been looking at the m24/47 quite hard but was also looking at the mosins in this thread and im really having a hard time making up my mind....been doing my research but i wouldnt mind hearing some other input....

[TVTyrant]

lately ive been looking to buy a decent surplus bolt action rifle....been looking at the m24/47 quite hard but was also looking at the mosins in this thread and im really having a hard time making up my mind....been doing my research but i wouldnt mind hearing some other input....
Both will do anything you will ever need a rifle for. 24/47 will probably be "nicer", and that should be expected for a rifle you're paying $300 for. The Mosin is just as serviceable, easier to use, and the ammo is far less expensive and in many cases better.

[Spartan094]

Mosin's are easier on the wallet...commonly easy on the wallet is the 91/30. Soviet wise, the M38 will probably be the most accurate . I have 2 and they are absolute tack-drivers. 91/30's vary out of the bunch, some can be tack-drivers and some I feel cant hit the broad side of a barn. 91/30 PU snipers now, from the recent Molot imports that are genuie snipers, are the best and most accurate from the soviet side. M44's are fun but sometimes you will find one that cant hit shit.

Finn rifles are generally always accurate, I heard M39's are the best, I heard M28/30's are the best..I'm not sure which Finn rifle as I have never shot one..yet. With Finn 28/76 you have to be careful with, because some will chamber 7.62x53r and then your semi-screwed if you just buy surplus ammo and don't reload.

There is just tons and tons of info if you go the Mosin Nagant route, which I would suggest buying a Mosin Nagant. I can't tell you which variant to buy...from the M91, M1907 Carbine (haha have fun finding that jem), Dragoon, Cossack, M91/30, M38, M44, M91/38, M91/59. Finn rifles such as P-Series Finn rifles, M24, M27, M91rv, M27rv, M28, M28/30, M39, Finn built M91 and M91/30's, M28/76. Then you have the eastern block countries that produced the M44, some produced the 91/30 rifles and/or PU 91/30's.

I think that's all of them..might be missing one or two :iamafag: and sorry if you might know all this, I'm just hyper at 3 AM for no reason.

[Cortexian]

Every time people talk about gun control I just say that it needs to be all or nothing. Having 'some' guns is not better than having 'all guns'. Guns are guns, they give whoever has them an advantage over whoever doesn't when it comes to the death-dealing business. I have no problem with law enforcement and military being given exclusive access to certain types of weapons when the first come out/are developed, but 10 years after something new comes out and something better exists, let the civi's have the old stuff. At least, if you're worried about your 'safety' and law enforcement having the tools to do it. It's a waste of time and money to try and govern what is 'ok to own' and what 'isnt ok to own'...

If you implement a 'no gun' policy, it still won't prevent terrible crimes. Look at Japan, where that cook released a sarin gas device in a subway. Yeah, not having access to guns made that situation WAY better. Shit, if that group had used guns the devastation would probably of been less severe. However a 'no gun' policy is a legitimate and much more cost-effective way to govern firearms control...

This rant brought to you by all the political fallout over the Connecticut shooting. Thanks a lot USA, now 5.56 NATO PMAG's cost $100 each here in Canada. At least the Robinson Armament XCR-M .308 Win (7.62 NATO for all intents and purposes) won't be affected by the changes in the USA. We had out supply lines in place before they even started selling in the USA, so we have an importer with a deal that won't have shortages. The 7.62 NATO SR-25 pattern magazines are still $25-$30 still, thank god...

[ghk]

really appreciate all the info spartan ...i looked at some nice looking 91/30s at the gunshop but they were slammed and i didnt want to stand in line (which went out the door) and i think im going to try to get myself an m38 anyway ....:-)

lancer...you think your shits expensive? its crazy here right now....anything 5.56 is off the shelves ....gunshops dont even answer their phones anymore, you have to go in....(where i am at least)

saw an unconverted saiga in the store for $900 friday (whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttttt)
popular vendor sites are down because they cant keep up with the volume ....
crazy

[Cortexian]

Well our pmag prices are basically the same as yours right now, it's all the 5.56 stuff that's being price jacked.

Luckily my $2,700 XCR-M is .308, shit would probably be over $5,000 if it were 5.56 and the RobArms supply chains relied on USA economy shits.

I'm thinking of getting an H&K 417 in .22lr... Their actually only like $600. I don't get why the .22lr is $600 and the 5.56 and 7.62 NATO ones are $4,000+... There's really not that much different! If they can sell the .22lr ones that low, the other ones must be that high purely because of markup and brand, not cost of manufacturing or selling.

Edit - Holy shit, Fox News actually made something compentent!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf0MO55kMsI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igerQd0dpHY

[Tnnaas]

Someone gets a gold star for today. GJ, Ben.

[Spartan094]

Oh look
http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons

I don't think it will ever pass..I think.

But in retalition to this https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/impeach-sen-diane-feinstein-violating-her-oath-support-and-defend-constitution-united-states-re-awb/sdKKkKJ5

[rossmum]

Ugh I fucking hate politics

[PenGuin1362]

Yeah can we cut the political crap? We know these people are all fucking idiots, lets just get back to enjoying our firearms and ones we're considering buying.

[Cortexian]

FBI HRT from the 80's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TJQrRNxrHA

How far we've come...

[TVTyrant]

People who don't own guns talking about gun politics is like men talking about abortion.

[rossmum]

People who own guns talking about gun politics are seldom better so please let's just keep this thread about guns and not about who can make the worst posts

[Nero]

Anyone living in Canada Ontario in possession of a restricted firearm licence? If so, how hard is it to get? I heard its all about waiting on the approval and that most people are accepted (as long as you belong to a club).

[Cortexian]

You don't even need to belong to a club, you can just say that you want to start shooting AT a club. Specifically with restricted firearms like pistols. And yeah, it's very easy to get in and you can even challenge the exam for like $15 instead of taking the entire course. If you know the parts and functions of most pistols you'll be fine. You also need to know all the stuff from the regular non-restricted license (general Canadian firearms safety stuff).

RCMP will check all of your provided references, as well as call you and do an over the phone interview asking why you want the license and stuff. This is were you mention that you'd like to get into 'competitive shooting at a licensed range'. Then you're in.

[rossmum]

Prohibs are basically impossible to get now right

Because goddamn if I don't desperately want to own a C1A1 and L1A1 at some point in my life

[TVTyrant]

That's it

I'm doing it

I have an $1100 tax return coming in, and I'm going to blow it on a gun.

Model 70 Winchester Featherweight in .270 Winchester

http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/img/images-by-title-name/Model-70-Featherweight-MID-535109-m.jpg

LOOK AT IT

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/TimberlineX/WinchesterM70Featherweight280003.jpg

I WANT YOU TO FUCKING LOOK AT IT

http://snakeriverarms.com/wp-content/themes/shopperpress/thumbs/pro_10253_1_2.jpg

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=82978.0;attach=157 883;image

[rossmum]

Cool gun I guess but a pre-64 would be cooler, hell even a 70s one would be neat

[sleepy1212]

I had fun times with almost that exact gun, model 70 sport in .270.

[TVTyrant]

Cool gun I guess but a pre-64 would be cooler, hell even a 70s one would be neat
The new ones use the "classic action", which is the same as the pre-64. Controlled feed forever!!!

[DarkHalo003]

I recently shot a .357 Revolver that I believe was this Ruger at a gun range:
http://www.ruger.com/products/sp101/index.html

I've shot a pistol before, but goodness that was a great handgun. Until my skinny index finger gave-in, I was shooting every region of the silhouette target I aimed at from 10-15 yards away. I had limited ammo, so I had to be careful with how far to shoot. Next time, I plan to shoot a .44 Magnum from 15-20 yards. I think the range (indoors) only goes to 30.

[TVTyrant]

The other day I got to shoot my friend's Colt Python in .357

I don't get how people could possibly believe the .357 is a "kicker" or whatever. It was extremely mild compared to another friend's 10mm EAA Witness.

[Donut]

reminds me of this one time i went shooting with my dad. he has this snub nose .357 revolver. i dont know what the model is or anything, but that thing was ridiculous. lit up the whole room with the muzzle flare.

[rossmum]

The new ones use the "classic action", which is the same as the pre-64. Controlled feed forever!!!
But now they are not made in the US and are not as handcrafted!!!!

[Cortexian]

Black rifles or bust.

[TVTyrant]

But now they are not made in the US and are not as handcrafted!!!!
True, but it is still the ultimate bolt action design.

[Spartan094]

I had wanted to buy more Mosin Nagant ammo, so I did buy 880 more. My total will be around 1,832 rounds. Never enough!

And also who ever did the crowning job on my sporterized remington M91 back then..made a lopsided crown...so I can't hit shit really at 50 yards which is quite sad..so I'll need to send it to a gunsmith to be fixed.

[rossmum]

Went to my parents' and got some 91/30 shooting in. Usual shooting spot was occupied by alpacas so had to shoot into the hill behind the house, so I could only go out to about 70yd. First 2 shots landed less than an inch from each other and the third strung across the other side, about 5-6" away. Shit happens. Second group was about 3", third was a bit smaller, fourth was about 1.5" for all three. Given I am shooting ordinary surplus, am still shooting using irons, and it was approximately fuck off degrees celcius, I'm feeling pretty confident that I can get this thing to go under MOA once the scope's on and I've got some good ammo happening.

[InnerGoat]

learn to aim mate, you could put an eye out

[Spartan094]

880 rounds of 7.62x54r 148gr Lead Core Type L. 1945 powder but manufactured in 1946. Factory 17
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/8692/imag1106z.jpg

upon trying to open it, I said fuck it and used the AK bayonet
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1520/imag1111.jpg

Anddd after fighting/prying off the 8 nails that held it shut..ta-da..Green cans.
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5375/imag1114n.jpg

Fired 39 shots earlier and no hang-ups or split casings. Not bad ammo considering it's kinda vintage.

[TVTyrant]

Damn Ruskies with their clever containers of ammo.

[Cortexian]

I feel like if I were shooting old ammo, it would catastrophically fail on me.

Then again, I'm ordering about 1,000 rounds of 7.62 NATO surplus for plinking... I doubt it's that old though.

[PenGuin1362]

Soviet Russia, you fail old ammo, not other way around.

[rossmum]

I feel like if I were shooting old ammo, it would catastrophically fail on me.

Then again, I'm ordering about 1,000 rounds of 7.62 NATO surplus for plinking... I doubt it's that old though.
As long as it's been stored well you can safely shoot 100+ year old ammo just fine

[TVTyrant]

As long as it's been stored well you can safely shoot 100+ year old ammo just fine
Yeah, lots of ammo from the 1870-1890's runs fine still, so provided that it's in good condition. Russian/Soviet ammo is always in excellent condition due to the way it's packed.

I believe Lancer was attempting a "joke" though, perhaps one similar to "Bad Luck Brian."

[PenGuin1362]

Guys look, an AK-15! now the media doesn't have to always get it wrong! Just 50% wrong.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/b_5n_pl_1-tfb.jpg

[Cortexian]

WHAT THE FUCK

[PenGuin1362]

According to the article it's a common prop used in eastern european films. Not sure why they chose to have the bizarre hybrid.

[TVTyrant]

lol wat

[PenGuin1362]

http://candrsenal.com/Images/sofarhalfsize.jpg

Awesome ^

[Nero]

Thanks lancer! Another question;
When moving from lets say, Ontario to BC, what do I have to do as a gun owner, to move the weapons? (I will be driving cross country)

[Spartan094]

I sold my WASR 10/63 with some accesories I collected for $900. I love big pay days. Now to buy a Russian SKS for a decent price...or I'll just wait things out and buy ammo.

[rossmum]

MOSIN SNIPER, FUCKFACE

[PenGuin1362]

damn, had I know how much ak's would sky rocket I would have bought a shitty WASR sold to buy an SLR or other Arsenal AK

[Spartan094]

MOSIN SNIPER, FUCKFACE
STOP IT, YOU GIVE ME HARD CHOICE

I can get a Russian SKS for $600 that is refurbished but no blued bolt with 1000 rounds of ammo..I think it was a 1950 Tula or a 1949 Tula

Or I can get a Mosin Sniper for $630ish (after FFL costs/shipping)

Tough decisions dammit.

[TVTyrant]

I'd go Mosin, since supposedly we are going to receive big shipments of SKS from Russia soon, depending on what Obama does.

[Spartan094]

I'll dwell on it for a few days. I'll probably choose Mosin route but I'll dwell on it.

[Cortexian]

Thanks lancer! Another question;
When moving from lets say, Ontario to BC, what do I have to do as a gun owner, to move the weapons? (I will be driving cross country)
Never done it so I'm not 100% sure but unless you have a Restricted firearm you don't have to do anything. Your PAL/RPAL is a federal license that's valid anywhere in Canada. If you hunt, there are different Provincial hunting regulations, but firearm regulations are federal IIRC.

I'd double check though.

[PenGuin1362]

Mosin dude. There's a plethora of SKS's around. Mosin snipers disappear like crazy ESPECIALLY that GOD DAMN bent bolt. Just ask Ross on that one.

[rossmum]

By the way, the torrent of 91/30 imports to the US is drying up, and I don't just mean sniper rifles.

The end of your cheap milsurp is rapidly approaching, dudes.

[TVTyrant]

By the way, the torrent of 91/30 imports to the US is drying up, and I don't just mean sniper rifles.

The end of your cheap milsurp is rapidly approaching, dudes.
I blame the liberals and conservatives

[Spartan094]

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?groupid=680&name=Russian+1891%2f30+PU+7.62x54R+Mosin+Nagant+Sn ipers

I'm probably going to my local gun store tomorrow and ordering. Fuck yeah. Cheaper then classic.

[Warsaw]

Round receiver.

:mech:

[Tnnaas]

Since you're on the topic, I almost picked up a Mosin-Nagant 91/30 for $150, but then I realized I'm under 18 and don't have any form of a firearms license. :saddowns:

It still had some of the cosmoline , but that's just a short, thorough clean up. The whole purchase would have included a bayonet, cleaning kit, and ammo pouch. Sounds dirt cheap now that I think about it. The one I looked at might've been shit anyways.

[TVTyrant]

You can find equitable, better, or less equitable deals for cheaper depending on your area.

I assume your comment about a firearms license means you live in Canada, so I can't really judge on that. But I have seen some very nice Mosins for $100 with a similar kit.

[Tnnaas]

Oh, I was thinking of a concealed firearms license, duh. :facepalm:

In regards to price, I saw quite a few around $400, and Spartan094's post with a 91/30 for about $600. I assumed better quality rifles extended further in price range. I might just investigate it again to see how nice it is. I won't be capable of purchasing one right away, being a minor still, but I'd certainly love to have a quality Mosin to start out my collection.

[TVTyrant]

The reason those Mosins were going for about $600 is because they are PU sniper models. They were manufactured during the Great Patriotic War to be used as sniper rifles, and come with scopes and mounts and bent bolts and everything. Most infantry model Mosins are far cheaper because they made millions of them. They are fine rifles for the money, and will do anything that buying a 50's era M721 .30-06 will do or any other rifle in the price range, but with cheaper ammo.

[Spartan094]

I didn't trust the guy who I was selling my ak too, kinda of a shady fellow. I got another deal going on in which I could get a Romanian M44 in a trade + around $625ish in cash. Time will tell..then I'll order a PU 91/30 and have 7 Mosin Nagants total. IF everything goes to plan.

Also I got my mosin nagants from family and friends when I was a minor.

Also when we are dealing with mosin nagant prices those can vary, esp by country and model. Just save up your money that's for sure.

[Spartan094]

I did a deal where I got $300 and 2 M44's...one a 1945 Russian M44 and a 1953 Hungarian M44. Pics insue

Me believes this is a non-refurbished Russian M44, just used slightly then put away. All parts marked Izhevsk, I mean everything. And is all matching. High-wall reciever
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/89/imag1140n.jpg/
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/6332/imag1139.jpg
War time front sight globe but post war 2 ear bayonet lug.
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/5944/imag1143.jpg
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/9320/imag1144r.jpg

Hungarian M44..all matching numbers (except the bolt..its last digit is one number lower oddly) Everything 02 marked.
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/5190/imag1145.jpg
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5665/imag1146.jpg

Bores are very good on all of them, bright shine. Yay now to save up money for sniper which shouldn't be hard.

[=sw=warlord]

I'll just drop this here. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21049942)

[InnerGoat]

oh no not my guns

[PenGuin1362]

SNIPER DUDE! Y U NO GET SNIPER!?

[Spartan094]

SNIPER DUDE! Y U NO GET SNIPER!?
Don't worry, I have $300..just a matter of selling one of my M38 carbines to one of my friends for moneyz then I can buy a sniper.

I got this man.

[ghk]

Don't worry, I have $300..just a matter of selling one of my M38 carbines to one of my friends for moneyz then I can buy a sniper.

I got this man.if that falls through, hit me up maybe we can do a deal

[Spartan094]

Ok sounds good, my friend though says he might pay $320 for it..if so then I shall order a sniper!

Also my Hungarian M44, that thing hits with authority. I aimed it at a man-sized gong at 200 meters and holy shit its by far the most accurate mosin nagant I tested so far and it has such a light trigger it spoils me. I'll be testing out my other rifles tomorrow..some since I dont like to bring a whole lot. Probably the '43 91/30, '45 M44, and the '41 M38 (all Izvehsk manufacture).

[Spartan094]

Update

I sold my 1941 M38...it pained me to do it but I got enough funds to buy a 91/30 PU sniper. Off to the gunstore tomorrow.

[Spartan094]

1943 Izhevsk PU
Yoshkar-Ola Scope 4427419
War-Time Izhevsk stock, metal linear in the front and rear. I'm iffy on the font if it's original, and theres no sign of scrubbing off the scope number on the barrel.. A '44 Scope mated to a '43 Rifle.
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/2517/imag1176.jpg
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7598/imag1180n.jpg
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9108/imag1178f.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/43/imag1184.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9641/imag1188.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6079/imag1186.jpg
http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/6128/imag1191a.jpg

[rossmum]

Fucking beautiful rifle, man. Take it out to the range and get us some photos of the results!

[PenGuin1362]

Fucking beautiful rifle, man. Take it out to the range and get us some photos of the results!
^

[Spartan094]

When I got to the range with my gf we forgot to bring any paper for accuracy/grouping. But the range had a man-sizedish gong at 219 yards so I decided to try that out.

I tried out '63 Czech bxn Type 59, '46 188 Type L, '53 188 Type D. It loves the ammo, me thinks it favors the Czech but I didn't have enough to test it out. The Type D seems to give me pretty consistent hits on the gong, same for Type L but I need to go back out when it's a tad warmer or I bring much much warmer gear. But it's nice to hear the gong ring a lot. Eventually I did a speed run on how many times I could hit the gong with 10 shots very fast, 6/10 eh I could do better. The gf only did 5 shots but hit the gong 3/5 times. Such a good thing she loves guns.

And the shellac keeps peeling off and I hate it since it's just annoys me but what can you do.

[rossmum]

Speaking of the shellac, it's a beautiful colour. Almost a plum tone, looks fucking great.

[TVTyrant]

Is there some way to reseal the shellac?

[Spartan094]

There is but I'd rather not..eventually time will win and the rifle will be nothing but rust and junk..BUT that will be LONG after I'm dead.

Also I'm going to tone down my mosin collection. I needs moneys so my infantry 91/30 is up for sale to the locals..I'm debating what M44 I should sell but I just can't bring myself to do it. :(

[rossmum]

Remember that time I spent a day playing with tanks?

Doing it again this weekend. Get in.

[Spartan094]

Sold the sporter Remington for $300...ah ha ha.

Now what will I do with that money...it will burn a hole in my pocket in a bout a month..OH wait valentines day woops.

[Cortexian]

haha implying that you have someone to spend money on for valantines day

forever alone

[Spartan094]

That's wrong my good sir ha ha

[Cortexian]

hands dont count

[Spartan094]

Aw darn, my hands never counted anyways. My wallet always stayed full every valentines till this one, maybe I'll get my gf a mosin she likes them.

[PenGuin1362]

So I know we all arn't keen on fucking with beautiful historical guns, but I would totally buy a mosin and set in this stock. Big plus is the magazine. And it's reversible so no major harm done.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8081/8387822351_fc9737218a_c.jpg

[TVTyrant]

Wow that looks fucking awesome.

[rossmum]

If by "awesome" you mean "fucking gross, vomit-inducing, and totally impractical", I agree.

If you want a hunting/tactical/whatever rifle, buy one. If you want a Mosin, buy one. Don't buy a Mosin and try turn it into something it's not, even if it isn't a permanently destructive modification. Waste of money and it still won't be as good as what you could have got for just a touch more (possibly even less, depending how expensive the parts are).

[rossmum]

Sold the sporter Remington for $300...ah ha ha.

Now what will I do with that money...it will burn a hole in my pocket in a bout a month..OH wait valentines day woops.
valentine's day is a capitalist abomination of a tradition that involved making your own hand-written cards, gathering flowers yourself, or otherwise expressing love in ways that don't involve throwing money at it. don't be swindled by that shit, bro. go pick her some wild flowers, make your own card for her, and laugh your way to the gunstore the next day.

ROSS' RELATIONSHIP/FINANCIAL ADVICE, HERE TILL actually i gotta go hold on

[Tnnaas]

An addendum: make sure she isn't allergic to the flowers first.

[PenGuin1362]

If by "awesome" you mean "fucking gross, vomit-inducing, and totally impractical", I agree.

If you want a hunting/tactical/whatever rifle, buy one. If you want a Mosin, buy one. Don't buy a Mosin and try turn it into something it's not, even if it isn't a permanently destructive modification. Waste of money and it still won't be as good as what you could have got for just a touch more (possibly even less, depending how expensive the parts are).

And if by "I agree" you mean it's a matter of opinion you're correct :)

But yes if it's stupidly expensive for a $100 rifle then might as well just the newer rifle

[TVTyrant]

If by "awesome" you mean "fucking gross, vomit-inducing, and totally impractical", I agree.

If you want a hunting/tactical/whatever rifle, buy one. If you want a Mosin, buy one. Don't buy a Mosin and try turn it into something it's not, even if it isn't a permanently destructive modification. Waste of money and it still won't be as good as what you could have got for just a touch more (possibly even less, depending how expensive the parts are).
Wahhhh people don't like what I like wahhhhhh

[Spartan094]

valentine's day is a capitalist abomination of a tradition that involved making your own hand-written cards, gathering flowers yourself, or otherwise expressing love in ways that don't involve throwing money at it. don't be swindled by that shit, bro. go pick her some wild flowers, make your own card for her, and laugh your way to the gunstore the next day.

ROSS' RELATIONSHIP/FINANCIAL ADVICE, HERE TILL actually i gotta go hold on

Oh don't worry I already made my own card. Flowers is kinda hard in winter time for me to pick myself. I think the only thing she wants me to do is just take her out to eat. She is more of a simple girl anyways, but she loves guns which is a plus.

I'll probably put my money towards ammo and not anymore guns or save it for the next gunshow..been wanting a M91 (that isn't sporterized)

[rossmum]

Wahhhh people don't like what I like wahhhhhh
You can like wasting money on pointless accessories all you like. At the end of the day it is still a 3MOA rifle with impractically terrible ergonomics. Maybe if you replaced the entire bolt handle you'd have some ground from which to argue it's an improvement, but even then it's pretty dubious.

If you want a convenient rifle that handles well, buy one, don't buy a Mosin and try and turn it into something it is not and will never, ever be.

[TVTyrant]

You can like wasting money on pointless accessories all you like. At the end of the day it is still a 3MOA rifle with impractically terrible ergonomics. Maybe if you replaced the entire bolt handle you'd have some ground from which to argue it's an improvement, but even then it's pretty dubious.

If you want a convenient rifle that handles well, buy one, don't buy a Mosin and try and turn it into something it is not and will never, ever be.
Eh. I just don't see anything wrong with it. It can be easily restored to it's original condition, and it's just for the lulz anyways. I don't even own a Mosin, and I probably wouldn't fuck with it if I did own one. But it's fun to tease you over this because you react lol.

[PenGuin1362]

and it's just for the lulz anyways..

Exactly :p I really just want the detachable 10 round magazine for those "fun" days at the range. Remember, not every day has to be about extreme precision. It would be something I picked up provided I'm not paying like $300 for a stock on a $100 rifle.

[Spartan094]

I should get one of those stocks, so I can inlet it for the PU sniper. Lulz being a heretic never felt better.

[Cortexian]

If by "awesome" you mean "fucking gross, vomit-inducing, and totally impractical", I agree.
Except that it's completely practical and better in pretty much every way that matters. It retains the accuracy and general awesomeness that the Mosin is loved for, and then adds a stock that's more comfortable. It's adjustable so people of different sizes can fit it appropriately, and it's made out of materials that don't wear like you see so often with old rifles.

Then again, why not just buy a modern tactical/precision rifle if that's what you want. I see your point, but I bet this ends up being significantly cheaper than a $2,500+ precision tactical rifle.

[Warsaw]

While a $2,500+ precision rifle will also be more susceptible to breakage and not perform all that much better than a nicely zeroed Mosin at the ranges you'd consider using the Mosin at...

[TVTyrant]

women is a capitalist abomination of a people. don't be swindled by that shit, bro. go pick her some wild flowers, make your own card for her, and laugh your way to the gunstore the next day.

ROSS' RELATIONSHIP/FINANCIAL ADVICE, HERE TILL actually i gotta go hold on
ftfy. seriously, I think if we could get away with it, men wouldn't do these kinds of things on specific dates the way women want them to be. spur of the moment i always more fun than having some big plan imo.

[TVTyrant]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHAAAAA

http://civilianmilitaryintelligencegroup.com/10880/the-emu-war

http://www.cracked.com/article_19981_the-5-most-embarrassing-failures-in-history-war.html

HOLY SHIT THAT'S FUNNY

[Cortexian]

While a $2,500+ precision rifle will also be more susceptible to breakage and not perform all that much better than a nicely zeroed Mosin at the ranges you'd consider using the Mosin at...
You must buy pretty shitty $2,500 precision rifles. That sounds like the opposite of what would happen, and the point is that you can use something like that at ranges beyond what you'd consider using the Mosin at.

Susceptible to breakage? This is what puzzles me about your comment, because I haven't known any good modern precision rifles in that range to be susceptible to breakage.

[Spartan094]

Went to the range again with the sniper to try the 219 yard gong. I hit that fucker over and over with standard milsurp ammo and could do it all day. I really wanna find a longer range but I can't.

[Cortexian]

There's like 3 ranges within an hour of my place that go out to 1,000 yards.... Two are private ranges though, and one isn't very popular due to the people who show up. If I were you I'd look into some private ranges, I'm sure that you could find something in Michigan.

[rossmum]

Eh. I just don't see anything wrong with it. It can be easily restored to it's original condition, and it's just for the lulz anyways. I don't even own a Mosin, and I probably wouldn't fuck with it if I did own one. But it's fun to tease you over this because you react lol.
It's a waste of money.


Except that it's completely practical and better in pretty much every way that matters. It retains the accuracy and general awesomeness that the Mosin is loved for, and then adds a stock that's more comfortable. It's adjustable so people of different sizes can fit it appropriately, and it's made out of materials that don't wear like you see so often with old rifles.

Then again, why not just buy a modern tactical/precision rifle if that's what you want. I see your point, but I bet this ends up being significantly cheaper than a $2,500+ precision tactical rifle.
It costs money. You know what costs less money? Not being a pampered baby and expecting everything to fit you perfectly.

[InnerGoat]

i got an awp and shot myself in the foot help

[Jelly]

be careful

[InnerGoat]

i left the safety on too and it somehow fired. it went through all 12 floors of the condo and hit someone's cat... im so sorry

[Jelly]

found a funny guns video. love to shoot

l9WU956uprY

[Donut]

"funny" and "harlem shake" dont belong in the same sentence together.

[TVTyrant]

It's a waste of money.
Unless you happen to enjoy that kind of thing. The project aspect of it adds a lot to what people like about these kinds of things. I agree about not destroying rifles in their original condition, but come on man. Sometimes you gotta let people be happy.

[PenGuin1362]

awp noob D:


Unless you happen to enjoy that kind of thing.
^bingo :)

[InnerGoat]

there's an anime about guns called upotte!!

[Spartan094]

http://www.classicfirearms.com/c-r-eligible/m38rifle

Maybe if AIM gets some and it's cheaper, I'll put an order down so my M38 has another companion since I sold off one.

Also I'm not straying off of collecting Mosins, I like them to much and it's fun to shoot.

[Cortexian]

Lmao only $20 off each rifle if you buy 6? That's only $100 cheaper.

[PenGuin1362]

Still need an M38...tempting...

[Spartan094]

If you want to you could wait..AIM is supposedly getting some in sometime so it might be cheaper.

Molot has been doing pretty good lately importing a lot of Mosin Nagants lately.

M91/30 PU's
M44's
M38's

That's what I seen so far come from Molot.

[PenGuin1362]

This one's for you Ross (it's bad)

http://i.imgur.com/31JtVDD.jpg

[TVTyrant]

That one is just, like, why!?

[PenGuin1362]

Nothing about that looks comfortable.

[ghk]

sigh............

1932 dated Izhevsk hex mosin ...has a friend arriving in another week :-/


http://i1265.photobucket.com/albums/jj510/caspertheghost2/IMG_2544_zps8ddc39f9.jpg

[rossmum]

This one's for you Ross (it's bad)

http://i.imgur.com/31JtVDD.jpg
Space Mosin unironically owns. If I had a fucked-up-beyond-restoration Mosin, I'd make it into a Space Mosin purely for comedy value. I wouldn't fuck with a good one though obviously.

[Cortexian]

Is that supposed to be a fold up verticial grip?

Bullpup bolt action? Da fuq?

[TVTyrant]

Space Mosin unironically owns. If I had a fucked-up-beyond-restoration Mosin, I'd make it into a Space Mosin purely for comedy value. I wouldn't fuck with a good one though obviously.
It looks like a Halo rifle lol.

That with the detachable mag from the other rifle :iamafag:

[TVTyrant]

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=MAK74B30
If I had a real deal 74 these are all I'd use. So fucking cool looking.

[Amit]

This one's for you Ross (it's bad)

http://i.imgur.com/31JtVDD.jpg

How the fuck does that even work? Do you have to hold the gun up with the foregrip while pulling the firing hand back to cycle the bolt? Looks incredibly uncomfortable.

[ICEE]

This one's for you Ross (it's bad)

http://i.imgur.com/31JtVDD.jpg

This looks like a halo circa reach rifle.

[Higuy]

well im proud to say that i was able to shoot a real gun today for the first time in a very long time. It was pretty fun. My dads business is a boat repair business and since we are slow in the winter we tend to do side projects. This year was the restoration of our old 32 ft "house boat" that my grandfather use to own. He passed away and the ownership was given to my dad. Inside we found an old rifle from either the 40's or 50's (hopefully one of you could inform me, ill have to get a picture). It doesn't hold a magazine but just shoots little 22's and can hold up to about 3 of them. Was pretty cool shooting the thing off!

[TVTyrant]

well im proud to say that i was able to shoot a real gun today for the first time in a very long time. It was pretty fun. My dads business is a boat repair business and since we are slow in the winter we tend to do side projects. This year was the restoration of our old 32 ft "house boat" that my grandfather use to own. He passed away and the ownership was given to my dad. Inside we found an old rifle from either the 40's or 50's (hopefully one of you could inform me, ill have to get a picture). It doesn't hold a magazine but just shoots little 22's and can hold up to about 3 of them. Was pretty cool shooting the thing off!
Pics would be nice.

[Cortexian]

*Finds old gun*

*Shoots it*

Safety first!

[TVTyrant]

*Finds old gun*

*Shoots it*

Safety first!
It's a .22. It operates at 24k PSI. Chill your shit.

[Cortexian]

Don't worry it's JUST a 9mm, not like it's a .40 or .45!

[PenGuin1362]

I think the point was the amount of damage it could cause from a chamber failure would be minimal compared to other ammo types. However, it is usually a good idea to get old, idling firearms inspected before firing, especially if the previous owner can offer no insight.

[rossmum]

*Finds old gun*

*Shoots it*

Safety first!
A bloo bloo bloo, a gun that's 60 or 70 years old and has presumably been in at least passable storage that whole time!

Maybe if it was a battlefield digup, of completely unknown source and age, or in some other way questionable, I'd worry. A .22 that's less than a century old and not literally falling apart from rust is not particularly dangerous.

You people severely underestimate the longevity of steel.

[TVTyrant]

A bloo bloo bloo, a gun that's 60 or 70 years old and has presumably been in at least passable storage that whole time!

Maybe if it was a battlefield digup, of completely unknown source and age, or in some other way questionable, I'd worry. A .22 that's less than a century old and not literally falling apart from rust is not particularly dangerous.

You people severely underestimate the longevity of steel.
fucking thank you

[ThePlague]

What's your guys' opinion on this? http://henryrepeating.com/rifle-survival-ar7.cfm

I'm thinking of buying a rifle, have around 300 or more depending on if my car sells for the right price. That looked like it would be good for taking camping.

[Spartan094]

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/9076/p1013184.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/907/p1013185.jpg

Russian 1950 Tula SKS..about 440ish rounds of 1993 7.62. Then theres a mix of 1970 Russian 7.62 (which I won't shoot) and 10 rounds of Win. ammo. Comes with a scope mount and scope (theres no permanent modifications, no drill tap at all) and a 30 rounder mag which I probably wont use.

Not shabby for $500.

[TVTyrant]

Damn it Spartan, you always have the coolest shit.

[t3h m00kz]

shot my first guns yesterday. nighthawk 1911 and USP, both .45s

Went through about 80 rounds

[Spartan094]

My SKS bolt carrier kept hitting the rail guide on the right side. The first 40 rounds it gave me no trouble. The next 20 just hassled me. So the 61 shot it broke off part of the rail guide cut on the right side of the reciever..I still shot another 40 and it functioned fine..pictures later.

m00kz which one did you like better? The 1911 and USP?

And Tyrant, I had to sell my sniper due to car bills..I made enough money and found this beauty. $500 for ALL of that.

[t3h m00kz]

1911 was pretty beastly in comparison and felt sturdier. as I said it was a nighthawk which is apparently a pretty damn good model. Sights were off according to the guys there but even with the USP my shots seem to drift to the left

[Cortexian]

Why wouldn't you use the 30 round mag? Are you some kind of anti-high capacity gun enthusiast??!

[rossmum]

Why wouldn't you use the 30 round mag? Are you some kind of anti-high capacity gun enthusiast??!
I wouldn't use one on an SKS on principle. If you want an AK, buy a fucking AK. If you can't buy an AK, go somewhere you can.

[Spartan094]

The 30 rounder doesn't jam in the SKS, but I don't like it either way..gonna sell it.

Also, heres the damaged part of the SKS receiver after a little warping.
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/540/imag1259g.jpg