Modacity shooters' thread

[TVTyrant]

These are states like CA and NY we're talking about, so yes.

Fucking idiots.
I won't say anything about bayonets, because that's always stupid. But as far as Cali goes, the low cap thing is okay, since they actually had a legitimate warzone going on for a while. Not saying that I like it, just saying that it makes sense because the state is so urbanized.

[Warsaw]

But pinning the magazine to the gun? Really? AR owners can't reload without unpinning the upper receiver, flipping it open, and loading 10-rounds in via stripper clip.

[rossmum]

I won't say anything about bayonets, because that's always stupid. But as far as Cali goes, the low cap thing is okay, since they actually had a legitimate warzone going on for a while. Not saying that I like it, just saying that it makes sense because the state is so urbanized.
...except it is piss simple to make your own 'high-cap' magazine

...or buy one from someone who doesn't give a shit about bans

...but believe it's okay if you want, i guess

california is a stupid + shit state that is the main reason i hate most people who identify themselves as 'liberal', the stupid fuckers don't even know what the word means, much less espouse true liberal values

[Zeph]

california is a stupid + shit state that is the main reason i hate most people who identify themselves as 'liberal', the stupid fuckers don't even know what the word means, much less espouse true liberal values

the same also rings true for the other side :p.
you recall the governor that vetoed her own bill because she didn't know/understand that Islamic faith was a religion?

[PenGuin1362]

Angry thoughts about stupid bans aside, finally got around to getting new rail covers

http://i.imgur.com/q5n1F.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/bhNAi.jpg?1

[TVTyrant]

...except it is piss simple to make your own 'high-cap' magazine

...or buy one from someone who doesn't give a shit about bans

...but believe it's okay if you want, i guess

california is a stupid + shit state that is the main reason i hate most people who identify themselves as 'liberal', the stupid fuckers don't even know what the word means, much less espouse true liberal values
"Okay" and "understandable" aren't the same thing Ross.

[Emmzee]

I won't say anything about bayonets, because that's always stupid. But as far as Cali goes, the low cap thing is okay, since they actually had a legitimate warzone going on for a while. Not saying that I like it, just saying that it makes sense because the state is so urbanized.
Bullshit. Total bullshit. You've fallen for the media's lies. I thought you were better than this.

The "warzone" in question was Los Angeles, and only the poor parts, and everyone involved in that shit was using low-capacity, easily-concealable handguns. In fact, the vast majority of firearms used in the commission of crime in the United States are handguns, and the majority of those are inexpensive, typically singlestack, easily-concealable handguns like Ravens and Lorcins.

The only reason "high capacity" was ever a thing was the Stockton massacre, which shot the "think of the children" rhetoric into overdrive since, you know, the dude there shot at and killed almost exclusively children, and he was using EVIL IMPORTED HIGH-CAPACITY ASSAULT WEAPON WITH BANANA CLIPS AND THE SHOULDER THING THAT GOES UP.


But pinning the magazine to the gun? Really? AR owners can't reload without unpinning the upper receiver, flipping it open, and loading 10-rounds in via stripper clip.
VseNzVcIjtc

[rossmum]

the same also rings true for the other side :p.
you recall the governor that vetoed her own bill because she didn't know/understand that Islamic faith was a religion?
i have an even more intensely burning hatred for conservatives regardless of whether they follow actual conservative politics or not, so it's all the same to me


"Okay" and "understandable" aren't the same thing Ross.
it's not even fucking understandable, and by saying it is you are validating the sheer idiocy of allowing people to regulate things they do not understand

[TVTyrant]

Bullshit. Total bullshit. You've fallen for the media's lies. I thought you were better than this.

The "warzone" in question was Los Angeles, and only the poor parts, and everyone involved in that shit was using low-capacity, easily-concealable handguns. In fact, the vast majority of firearms used in the commission of crime in the United States are handguns, and the majority of those are inexpensive, typically singlestack, easily-concealable handguns like Ravens and Lorcins.
Once again, I don't think it should be a law. I think it's bullshit too. The law that was enacted was poorly written, and all it did was persecute honest gun owners. However, I can understand the local government falling into "well we have to do SOMETHING" mindset based on the number of killings.

That said, those laws are crap, and should be taken out. I agree that what "control" enacted was just punish people like Penguin who are honest people who live in the PRC and are getting fucked in the ass. The way it was done was terrible. The weapons controlled were guns that barely even had an effect on what was happening. The whole bill was totally irrelevant. But when you have 1,000 murders for three straight years (http://www.streetgangs.com/homicides/lachomichart.html), an elected person has to at least set the pretense of fucking doing something.

[rossmum]

here's a great law

politicians are banned on proposing laws outside their own portfolio, and they are banned from filling one of those portfolios unless they actually know what the fuck

[TVTyrant]

here's a great law

politicians are banned on proposing laws outside their own portfolio, and they are banned from filling one of those portfolios unless they actually know what the fuck
I'm okay with this. Every bad law ever happened because somebody was being a fucking R-Tard and the politicians had to pose for the voting middle class people.

[Tnnaas]

here's a great law

politicians are banned on proposing laws outside their own portfolio, and they are banned from filling one of those portfolios unless they actually know what the fuck
Please move over here.

[rossmum]

Please move over here.
are you quite sure you want that

actually wait, even if i did i'd never get any popular support in the us anyway because i am a "FILTHY COMMIE"

[TVTyrant]

are you quite sure you want that

actually wait, even if i did i'd never get any popular support in the us anyway because i am a "FILTHY COMMIE"
So is Obama, but I love him all the same.

[rossmum]

if he is your average american's idea of "FILTHY COMMIE" then dear christ how did we survive the cold war

[TVTyrant]

if he is your average american's idea of "FILTHY COMMIE" then dear christ how did we survive the cold war
Russia has a terrible economy by default.

[Tnnaas]

You'll fit right in.

[rossmum]

Russia has a terrible economy by default.
would've been a lot better if they hadn't tried to outdo the us industrially/militarily. c'mon dudes, what were you thinking? the us basically is one giant factory

[Emmzee]

Some company I've never heard of has a new AR-15 collapsible stock (http://damageusa.com/product/enhanced-combat-system-furniture-kit) out.

http://i.imgur.com/2muBp.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/0DzTA.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/EN7u7.jpg

[PenGuin1362]

I read SHTF Brown as Shit Brown. Saw those, I think I like magpul better though.

Also, shit brown is a pretty ugly color for the AR

[rossmum]

'shtf brown' is a better colour match for actual flat dark earth than what the tactical crowd calls 'flat dark earth'

i am, of course, saying the raf definition is the correct one because they had it first (and also are cooler)

[Cortexian]

Every FDE I've ever seen has looked closed to what's listed there than SHTF Brown.

[Emmzee]

So it looks like the people who control surplus stocks in Russia are starting to realize that the import restrictions between the USA and Russia regarding firearms and surplus ammunition no longer exist. AIMSurplus has just started selling Star Model Bs (http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F3StarB) that I am led to believe are coming from Russian capture stockpiles, and Russian 7.62x54R in 300rd cans (http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=A76254SC). Now, a few of you may say that they are already importing "Russian" 7.62x54R in 440rd spam cans, but that ammo actually all comes from the Ukraine. The different size in cans leads me to believe these are actually coming from Russia. Also, this ammo comes preloaded on stripper clips, so the 23 cents/round is worth it since stripper clips are reusuable.

The real indicator that this is actually happening, however, is when newly-made Russian handguns and Russian surplus 7.62x39mm start getting imported.

[rossmum]

Every FDE I've ever seen has looked closed to what's listed there than SHTF Brown.
That is because Americans are idiots and just couldn't resist fucking up.

http://www.revell.hu/email_color/32182_SW_dark-earth_matt_RAF_ES.jpg

That is Flat Dark Earth. You'd have a seen a lot of it in southern England in 1940, it was the second colour of the camouflage scheme used on RAF day fighters until mid-late 1941, and on RAF bombers throughout the war.

The shit that Real Tactical Operators™ call FDE looks like a midpoint between beige and baby shit yellow.

[Cortexian]

Then I'm just assuming, like everything, the naming has evolved to make room for more variation in colors. We have SHTF Brown now, which is basically the same thing it's just called something else.

Who gives a fuck, it's a color.

Also, can someone remind me why someone thought clips were a good idea when you already had rifles with removable magazines? It's slower than just swapping out to a new magazine, and it strikes me as something you'd only want to use when magazines weren't available.

[rossmum]

Are we referring to the surplus 7.62x54r? That stuff is WWII-era Type L and was mainly being fed to 91/30s and SVTs. The SVT was issued with two serialled mags. Most reloading was done via clips.

[Warsaw]

Then I'm just assuming, like everything, the naming has evolved to make room for more variation in colors. We have SHTF Brown now, which is basically the same thing it's just called something else.

Who gives a fuck, it's a color.

Also, can someone remind me why someone thought clips were a good idea when you already had rifles with removable magazines? It's slower than just swapping out to a new magazine, and it strikes me as something you'd only want to use when magazines weren't available.

They are cheap. They are also used to loading those removable magazines quickly. Guns with non-removable magazines are less complex, and early on officers were afraid that if soldiers had removable magazines they'd be wasting ammo.

Also, every time I see "SHTF" I read it as "Shit Fuck."

[TVTyrant]

Isn't it like Shit Hits the Fan or something fucking stupid like that?

[PenGuin1362]

I just see "shit brown" I'd still take current FDE over a poo colored rifle.

[rossmum]

Isn't it like Shit Hits the Fan or something fucking stupid like that?
yeah, man

never know when those filthy ni- zombies are gonna need dealin' with :tinfoil:

[TVTyrant]

yeah, man

never know when those filthy ni- zombies are gonna need dealin' with :tinfoil:
I;m worried about the spics than the niggers

[Emmzee]

If you're looking for a cheap AR-15 build, AIMSurplus has a complete lower assembly built on a polymer lower (http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1OMNI15&name=Omni+Polymer+Multi.+Cal.+AR+Lower+Receiver+As sembly&groupid=6) for $120. You can easily (with shipping!) build a dedicated .22LR AR-15 for well under $500, or (with shipping!) a .223 AR-15 for under $550.

[TVTyrant]

:'( FFL required

[Emmzee]

:'( FFL required
Use your local shop. All they need to do is fax or email a copy of their FFL to AIMSurplus and you're good.

[TVTyrant]

Use your local shop. All they need to do is fax or email a copy of their FFL to AIMSurplus and you're good.
:effort:

[Emmzee]

You'll never have a truly fulfilling experience as a gun owner if you don't learn to do FFL transfers.

[TVTyrant]

You'll never have a truly fulfilling experience as a gun owner if you don't learn to do FFL transfers.
Fair enough lol.

[Spartan094]

Got 500 rounds of Golden Tiger 7.62x39 today and ran thru 400 rounds today with a friend in my just aquired WASR 10/63. Next time me and him are paying half and half for the next order of 7.62x39. There was only one round that failed to extract, it just got stuck in the chamber till I hit the bolt once hard with a table end. In all I no misfeeds or nothing, just a very dirty ak once we got done shooting it haha.

[PenGuin1362]

Done 2 so far. They're stupid easy.

[Spartan094]

They are. It just struck me odd it happened but I knew what to do. But I ordered a AK74 style muzzle break for it, the slanted ones bother me a bit. I dont care for the bayo lug being gone anymore. Also before you say anything I'm NOT making my WASR tacticool, a tad waste of money, I would rather build an AR-15 and do that then, for cheaper to.

[PenGuin1362]

lol was referring to FFL transfers. The closest I think I'd get to "tacticool" on an AK would be just the standard modern 74m polymer furniture. MAYBE a side rail for an optic

[rossmum]

any 74m or later comes standard with a side rail

[PenGuin1362]

well it has the rail, but you usually have to get the attachment for separately, that's what I meant.

[rossmum]

good luck, american posters, we all know what comes now

(aside from "more shootings by more fame-seeking sociopaths due to mass media coverage and public hysteria", anyway)

[Warsaw]

Beating back hard-left anti-gun liberals with a spiked German trench club is what comes next...

[rossmum]

the best part is it will do literally nothing, because the fucking main reason this shit happens is the media. western society already programs us to think of ourselves first with almost complete disregard for other human life, all little sociopaths in the making, and when someone makes the step up from screwing other people for their own benefit to killing other people for whatever twisted reason, the media goes right ahead and shows ambulances with sirens blaring, headlines making the bodycount a huge thing, photos and videos of the killer even from their childhood, mobile phone footage of people being killed, all on 24/7 fucking live coverage. let's just give every nutter their 15 minutes (actually more like a week, in most cases) of fame, propel them to some kind of nihilistic anti-hero worship pedestal for other nutters, and ignore forensic psychiatrists whose job it is to try work out this shit when they say specifically not to do any of those things because it causes more shootings, often within a couple of weeks.

report bare minimum, keep it dull and 'boring', and keep details to the local area. the only reason people watch that shit outside of being concerned for friends or relatives is sick, voyeuristic rubbernecking like when there's a fatal crash on the freeway and assholes have banked the traffic up for miles because they're all out of their car looking and taking photos. someone on the other side of the country with no loved ones in the area has fuck all excuse to care, because they sure didn't care about the victims while they were alive and they will forget all about them in a few weeks when some idiot celebrity does something stupid and that's plastered all over the news instead.

[TVTyrant]

I hope the guy who did this gets beaten to death by the police.

Scratch that. Throw him out to the civilian mob and have them beat him to death.

[rossmum]

I hope the guy who did this gets beaten to death by the police.

Scratch that. Throw him out to the civilian mob and have them beat him to death.
yes, this truly is the way civilised human beings should deal with such people

i'll go get the rope, why stop at sociopathic murderers? let's just lynch everyone who strays outside of what is deemed socially acceptable!

[Patrickssj6]

or people who annoy you...naggers

[Emmzee]

If you want to spice up your AK, check out these genuine Balkan War veteran AK stock sets. (https://www.apexgunparts.com/product_info.php/cPath/21_89/products_id/2034) You'll find all kinds of shit carved into them: ethnic slurs, nicknames, kill notches, and who knows what else. One of my friends has one of these stock sets. His buttstock has about 50 notches in it, and the forward pistol grip (the wooden one that goes outward) has blood, hair, and what he assumes are bits of brain matter embedded in it.

[rossmum]

On the military history end of the thread, just found out my great grandfather was even more of a badass than I thought. Not only did he bring back a piece of a particularly striking red plane with three sets of wings (yeah, that one, he was detailed to guard it after it came down over the Australian lines), but he also survived the Proper Flu. Like, the ACTUAL killer flu, which ACTUALLY killed a fucking shit-ton of people.

[TVTyrant]

yes, this truly is the way civilised human beings should deal with such people

i'll go get the rope, why stop at sociopathic murderers? let's just lynch everyone who strays outside of what is deemed socially acceptable!
Who gives a fuck about civilized? EMOTIONAL REACTIONS ARE ALWAYS THE BEST WAY TO GO ABOUT THINGS!!!

[Roostervier]

rossmum, the way you fly off the handle over these issues and about western society in particular leads me to believe that I'll be hearing about Alex Ross, the delirious morally bankrupt sociopath who shot up a bank and killed 27 people sometime in the future. ;(

[rossmum]

no, mass murder isn't my thing. on the other hand, you seem totally down with sociopathic murderers

[Roostervier]

im not sure what youre talking about, hitler didn't kill anybody. he wasn't a sociopath either, he did what he did for the rest of the world. im not gonna let some soviet loving plane kiddie sit here and make snide (and false) insinuations about a hero that's fifteen times the man you could ever be

[rossmum]

lmao, you should literally be locked away in an insane asylum

[Roostervier]

pretty laughable that this is coming from an aspergers kiddie who worships the soviet union and obsessively cross posts his sperg-outs all over the internet

[rossmum]

lol holy shit

[Scott-PL]

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm199/holygfx/226327_214122711952793_131309636900768_690759_1639 140_n1.jpg

[PenGuin1362]

Well.... that was interesting. Also the M16 with m203 heatshield is kind of fugly. Is this one you saw in person or you just posting a random picture from the internet?

[Warsaw]

But I like the heatshield! :(

[Donut]

i like it too, actually.
i normally see this one, and i dont like this one.
http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/1289112556.jpg
E: or this one :(
http://www.m203grip.com/M16-GOVERNMENT-GRIP-BMP-3INCH.JPG

[Warsaw]

My favourite look for the M16 is the M16A4 with the heatshield M203 attachment and a simple reflex sight (not an EOTech...too big).

[rossmum]

The correct M16 heatshield is the triangular one, hth

[TVTyrant]

The correct M16 heatshield is the triangular one, hth
Nonsense, it's clearly this one

http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee461/wbraaijr/P4130026.jpg

[Warsaw]

The correct M16 heatshield is the triangular one, hth

Ugly PoS M16A1?

NOEP.

[rossmum]

You have to be smoking something. The triangular A1 grips are objectively the best, both in terms of ergonomics and looks. Round A2 ones are shit.


Nonsense, it's clearly this one
...That's exactly what I was talking about, but in wood rather than ABS. A nice set of walnut furniture on a retro AR build looks really good.

[PenGuin1362]

Having fired both the A2 and the A1 I like the ergonomics of the A1 but I definitely like the look of the standard M16A4 the best. However, the best grip and control I've had out of all of them has been the rail grip with the Magpul AFG. My grouping has been superior with that over all others (when standing up, unassisted)

[Warsaw]

You have to be smoking something. The triangular A1 grips are objectively the best, both in terms of ergonomics and looks. Round A2 ones are shit.


...That's exactly what I was talking about, but in wood rather than ABS. A nice set of walnut furniture on a retro AR build looks really good.

I don't hold M16s and M4s by the grip anyways, I hold them near the mag-well. I don't like standard A2 grips, either, by the way, just the A2-era heatshield-M203 attachment.

I despise the "LAWLRAILS" on the A3 and A4. What the fuck are you going to do with all of that rail space on the sides and bottom? Give me an A3/4 with the A2-M203 system. It's pretty.

[rossmum]

Most infantrymen don't even use those rails for anything useful, and most of the shit they do end up using them for certainly doesn't take that much space.

[Warsaw]

I can understand a margin so you can position your gadgets where it's comfortable for you, but the A3 and A4 epitomize excessive rails.

[PenGuin1362]

infantry use the rails. The main point is to have the space, like you said Warsaw, to position where it's best for you and it's easy to adjust on the fly. Most people I know who served usually had a PEQ device on the side and the vertical grip on the bottom. They honestly are completely practical for military purposes. They allow for super easy and quick modifications to your mounted devices and the space+all 4 sides allow for flexibility on the go. As for tor the top rail, again most of my friends I talked to had either an ACOG or some sort of optic on the top of the receiver. Rails make sense in a military environment. Outside of that it's just tacticool and fun looks.

[rossmum]

Guys on Gunboards' sniper forum have been on a 91/30 PU rush since the recent glut of imports just trashed the market. One of them outshot a SWAT sniper the other day who was using some done-up tactical Remington or such, getting 3 sub-MOA groups from 6 even in shit weather conditions. He took a legit Kar98k HT sniper out the same day and struggled to get under 3 even with a perfect bore and cleaning the accessible lenses thoroughly, granted it was with ordinary ammo vs. match out of the 91/30, but holy lol.

$650, brutally simple Soviet rifle upstages $6K+, masterfully engineered German rifle. I'm half tempted to go post about it on Tripwire's forums since there are a few there who I know would explode upon seeing that.

[rossmum]

http://ru-submarine.livejournal.com/17486.html - photos of the Project 941 Shark (NATO: Typhoon), as well as interior shots. I will never cease to be amazed by how fucking huge they are.

[Emmzee]

http://i.imgur.com/QPvUm.jpg

[Warsaw]

Wat. I'd never thought about doing that to a 9mm AR...

[Emmzee]

For those of you with Mausers, Classic Firearms has some really nice-looking Yugo 8mm (http://www.classicfirearms.com/yugo-8mm-m75-ammo-15-round-box) in stock.

[rossmum]

JG sales just got some Type 53 carbines in that are listed as 'used, good condition'.

http://www.jgsales.com/-p-2341.html

'Good condition' must be Chinese for 'previously used as tomato stakes'.

[rossmum]

Finally nagged my parents into sending me some photos of the new donor bolt I got, since I am stuck up here trying to unfuck my shitty, mundane life rather than down appreciating my rifles. It's nicely done, but that's the problem... it's too nicely done, the handle itself looks meticulously worked over into a smooth bend. It could just be me, since I'm eyeballing it out of the rifle and without an original sniper bolt to compare it to side-by-side, but it just triggers that 'it looks off' instinct that's formed over the last year or so of being really yeah about 91/30 snipers. There is some noticeable variation between legit sniper bolts, but the overwhelming majority have that 'put over the edge of an anvil and wailed on with a mallet' look to them, since that's actually how they were made.

Who knows, once it's in the rifle it may look as though it was made for it. If not, I suppose I can always trade up eventually.

[PenGuin1362]

Was at the store the other day and they had an original sniper with original matching bent bolt :( The scope didn't match but it also definitely was not a repro. $700

[TVTyrant]

'Good condition' must be Chinese for 'previously used as tomato stakes'.
I lol'd

[Emmzee]

Picking this up on Sunday with 2 30-round magazines and a hard case for $475.

http://i.imgur.com/m9eOI.jpg

AT-47, built on "Bulgarian" parts kit (Russian parts kits that spend 5 years in Bulgaria which magically makes then Bulgarian and thus OK to import), with an ER Shaw barrel (mid-grade varmit/match barrel manufacturer) and an Xtreme Machining US-made receiver. They're available partially milled or stamped, and this one is stamped, which is fine because my SKS-NR fills my milled receiver 7.62x39 firearm that takes AK mags niche.

[TVTyrant]

Now THAT looks like an AK to me. Gorgeously ugly.

[Emmzee]

I did some digging, and the milled receiver AT-47s are utter garbage. The rear trunnions are screwed in place with allen screws, which get stripped really easily. The one I'm getting is stamped, so that won't be an issue.

The barrels are non-chrome lined, which doesn't matter to me because I do a basic cleaning of all my guns the same day I shoot them, and I don't plan on ever shooting surplus 7.62x39 unless it goes down to below 15 cents per round, and even then it wouldn't be a problem if I cleaned it immediately after shooting.

The receivers are not fully heat treated, only the ejector and axis pin holes are. As long as a literal retard didn't do the heat treating, I should be fine. I don't plan on heavily abusing the rifle so it's not an issue for me.

[Emmzee]

The mother fucker sold the rifle out from under me.

[rossmum]

Wow. Rude.

[Emmzee]

Huge sale on CDNN right now, including the new LR-300s at really great prices, Thermold 20rd AR-15 mags for $3.99, and more!

http://i.imgur.com/5PIJM.jpg

Edit: I picked up the Thermold 48rd and Bulgarian 40rd mags because they were cheap and the highest-capacity AK mags I currently own are 30-rounders. I hope they aren't pieces of crap.

[TVTyrant]

Bulgarian mags are "supposed" to be pretty good pieces of equipment.

[Emmzee]

I know the Circle 10 mags are the best polymer magazines for AKs out there, but these definitely aren't Circle 10. I have a feeling this will be one of the junky off-brand types.

Oh well. If they don't work, I can sell them after the election for twice what I paid.

[TVTyrant]

I know the Circle 10 mags are the best polymer magazines for AKs out there, but these definitely aren't Circle 10. I have a feeling this will be one of the junky off-brand types.

Oh well. If they don't work, I can sell them after the election for twice what I paid.
LOLOLOL

Election years are crazy. Remember when people bought up EVERYTHING back in 08?

[Emmzee]

LOLOLOL

Election years are crazy. Remember when people bought up EVERYTHING back in 08?
I remember in early 2009, WASR-10s were SELLING for $750 on Gunbroker, and every single AR-15 manufacturer was backordered for at least a year. You couldn't find any .223, 7.62x39, 9mm, .45, or .380 ammo ANYWHERE, and most other ammo was pretty scarce too.

I had the idea today to buy this (http://www.cdnninvestments.com/ak76thma25ma.html), which is 20 30-round Thermold AK mags and 5 48-rounders for roughly $8 each, taking them in the included backpack to a gun show post-election, and walking around with a sign that reads "AK MAGS: 48RD $20 30RD $15." If I sold all of them at those prices, I could make a $200 profit off of idiot panic buyers for about a day's worth of work.

Edit: There's a gun show 20 minutes from my house on November 17, which is only 11 days after Obama's eventual re-election. I think this is fate...

[TVTyrant]

Edit: There's a gun show 20 minutes from my house on November 17, which is only 11 days after Obama's eventual re-election. I think this is fate...
Buy like 10 of those packs, and then sell them all at inflated prices.

[rossmum]

Do it. There is no cause nobler than depriving fucking idiots of their money.

[TVTyrant]

Do it. There is no cause nobler than depriving fucking idiots of their money.
Says the commie

[EX12693]

No that's Sel

[TVTyrant]

No that's Sel
Apparently you don't know Ross...

[Spartan094]

I'm thinking I'm going to hold my WASR 10/63 with the 3 mags/74 muzzle break/and some E. German furniture till the gun show before the election and see if I can make a huge profit. Oh and some ammo too haha. This gunna be good.

[Emmzee]

So I got my mags in yesterday.

http://i.imgur.com/FwtTc.jpg

The Bulgarian "steel-lined" (literally the only thing that is steel is the floorplate) magazine fits great. The Thermold 48-round magazine doesn't fit at all. I would have to file down a significant portion of the mag catch to get it into my magwell, and with an all-plastic magazine, that would only hasten its demise. I'm just going to wait to sell this after the election and hopefully make some money off of it.

Do NOT buy 48-round all-plastic magazines. If you want more than 40 rounds of reliable capacity, buy a Romanian drum (http://www.jgsales.com/ak-47-steel-75-round-drum,-romanian-wind-up.-p-3785.html) instead.

[Zeph]

O_o
Even 25 round 22 plastic mags die miserably after a wee bit of use. I'm not even sure why they would make plastic mags for similar or greater capacities at a higher caliber. You sure you didn't just buy from a chinese con-factory?

[PenGuin1362]

Steyr is going to be re-importing the AUG to the US starting at $2,099, according to TFB. Might get one, still honestly can't decide what to be next. SO MANY OPTIONS.

[Emmzee]

O_o
Even 25 round 22 plastic mags die miserably after a wee bit of use. I'm not even sure why they would make plastic mags for similar or greater capacities at a higher caliber. You sure you didn't just buy from a chinese con-factory?
China isn't allowed to import magazines into the US anymore after the ATF sting in 1996. Also the Thermold is marked "made in the USA."

Besides, every single Chinese magazine I've ever used has been really high quality. The Chinese don't fuck around with guns. All of the shitty magazines I've dealt with have been exclusively American-made.

A well-built plastic magazine can last a very long time. See: Bulgarian Circle 10 magazines.

[rossmum]

Yeah, Zeph, most of the rubbish parts I have ever seen or heard of originated in the Good Old USA

[Spartan094]

I ordered a East German AK stock set, one of the only ones northridge had and I got it in today and I am impressed. The buttstock is a virgin thou so. And speaking of Chinese mags how much would they go for? $15 for a 30 rounder

[Emmzee]

I ordered a East German AK stock set, one of the only ones northridge had and I got it in today and I am impressed. The buttstock is a virgin thou so. And speaking of Chinese mags how much would they go for? $15 for a 30 rounder
$15 for a 30-round Chinese magazine is a good price these days, provided the magazine is in good shape. They'll last forever and I prefer them over European steel magazines because they don't have a rib on the back.

Edit: AK-47 MAGAZINE GUIDE!!!!!!!

BUY:
Chinese steel magazines. These mags are great and in my opinion the best AK mags out there. Only problem is they're usually $20-$30 nowadays when 20 years ago they were $3, and you have competition from AK owners in New York who need preban high-cap magazines.
European surplus steel magazines (Polish, Bulgarian, Romanian, Yugoslavian). Regardless of outside condition, if you buy these from a reputable retailer, they will all work great. You can find these anywhere from $10-$30, depending on condition and country of manufacture. Yugo magazines have a last round bolt hold open feature that none of the other European magazines have, but they've really gone up in price lately.
Surplus polymer magazines. Usually made of bakelite, these magazines have steel reinforcements on the high-wear areas and have just as much durability as steel magazines. They do cost more, with the most common, Circle 10 mags, going for around $30. Surplus polymer magazines can cost as much as $100, and at that point it's more about aesthetics and collectability than shootability.
US PALM AK30 polymer magazines. This is the ONLY US-made AK magazine that I can recommend. These are made of thick, lightweight polymer with steel reinforcements on the high-stress areas. They provide 3 922(r) compliance parts and cost about $30 each.
Chinese and Romanian drums. There are 2 main types of AK drums, top-loaders and rear-loaders. The Chinese and new-production Romanian drums are rear-loaders, and surplus Romanian (and Russian, but those are really expensive) drums are top-loading. A surplus top-loading Romanian drum will cost about $90, and a new rear-loading Romanian drum will cost about $100. Rear-loading drums are ridiculously easy to load, and you can leave them loaded but unwound so you don't cause a loss of spring tension. Chinese drums nowadays are $150-$200. You shouldn't pay any more for a Chinese AK drum, but the VERY small numbers of Chinese AR-15 drums go for around $400. Top-loading Romanian drums are SLIGHTLY cheaper than their rear-loading counterparts, but it's a pain in the ass to load those 75 rounds one by one.

DO NOT BUY:
Tapco magazines. All plastic, sometimes too thick for AKs with tight magwells, break easily. Stay away.
Korean magazines. Weak springs cause feeding issues. Stay away from the $75ish Korean drums as well for the same reason. The only good Korean magazines out there are for the MP5 and M1 carbine. Everything else is junk.
USA Mag magazines. Same issues as the Korean magazines.
Master Molder magazines. All plastic, will not fit all AKs without fitting, magazine just feels like it would break easily. A properly-made polymer magazine should not bend when you squeeze on it while it's empty.


As far as buying mags goes, JG Sales has a wide selection of AK magazines at pretty good prices. APEX Gun Parts has surplus Romanian drums in stock if you like the look of a top-loading magazine. AIM Surplus also has some of the best deals on AK magazines but they usually sell out really quickly on the less expensive ones.

[TVTyrant]

China isn't allowed to import magazines into the US anymore after the ATF sting in 1996. Also the Thermold is marked "made in the USA."

Besides, every single Chinese magazine I've ever used has been really high quality. The Chinese don't fuck around with guns. All of the shitty magazines I've dealt with have been exclusively American-made.

A well-built plastic magazine can last a very long time. See: Bulgarian Circle 10 magazines.
IDK man, I have seen some dogs of Chink SKS' in my day, even brand new.

As far as American parts, yeah, aftermarket USA made sucks fucking giant dick.

[Emmzee]

IDK man, I have seen some dogs of Chink SKS' in my day, even brand new.
There is no way any Chinese SKS that hasn't been fucked with post-production is anything but a fantastic rifle.

[TVTyrant]

It must have gotten fucked on the ship, but it had canted sights and sever cracks all along the stock. My uncle bought it brand new in 1991, and everytime I have seen it I have somewhat thrown up in my mouth.

[TVTyrant]

There is no way any Chinese SKS that hasn't been fucked with post-production is anything but a fantastic rifle.
While we're at this, what's your opinion on the converted Saigas?

[rossmum]

It must have gotten fucked on the ship, but it had canted sights and sever cracks all along the stock. My uncle bought it brand new in 1991, and everytime I have seen it I have somewhat thrown up in my mouth.
It almost certainly got fucked.

As for canted sights... depends which it was. Front sights? No problem, just knock the post over some. My 91/30's entire barrel is canted about 2-3 degrees right - just enough to notice if you really look at it from the muzzle end - and the scope I have is about the same amount left, while the witness mark is still lined up on the mount, meaning the rifle it came from had a left-canted barrel.

In the case of 91/30 snipers, a canted barrel doesn't affect accuracy much at all. As long as the scope is canted to the same angle, causing the shooter to automatically want to hold the rifle so the barrel is 'vertical', it will shoot just as straight.

e/ In fact, any rifle where both sets of sights are on the barrel will not have canting issues. Obviously, though, this falls down with things like AKs where that is not the case.

[Emmzee]

While we're at this, what's your opinion on the converted Saigas?
Depends on who does the conversion. Arsenals are some of the best AKs out there today, and even the Century conversions are fine (even if they're only half-converted and still have the factory sporter handguards on them). If a competent gunsmith does the conversion, and installs a bullet guide for 7.62x39 rifles so they can accept AK mags, a converted Saiga is a great gun.

Hell, you can even convert them yourself, with a dremel tool and a bit of mechanical ability. It's only about 2 hours of your life.


e/ In fact, any rifle where both sets of sights are on the barrel will not have canting issues. Obviously, though, this falls down with things like AKs where that is not the case.
I know a guy who bought a WASR 10/63, and the front sight was canted to the left, and the rear sight was also canted, but to the right. He was more accurate pointing and shooting than actually aiming down the sights.

[Spartan094]

My virgin East German AK buttstock is giving me a headache, esp to find the right hardware for it. There is no visible way a metal buttplate could attach/screw into it, it's like a empty hollow shell, urgh. But other then that the pistol grip and front handguards fit in nicely and me likey. Now I just hate the parkerized finish since it looks to dull/gray.

[Emmzee]

AIM Surplus has Chinese Type 53s in stock for $120 each. (http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F3M53&name=Chinese+Type+53+7.62x54R+Mosin+Nagant+Carbine&groupid=6) They're in "fair to good" condition, and will probably make fine shooters. I doubt these will ever be this cheap ever again.

[Emmzee]

http://i.imgur.com/Vxojn.jpg

Everything pictured, $200. I think I HAVE to get it. This is a ridiculously good deal.

Hi-Point 995 carbine with ATI stock + sling, BSA red dot, compensator, and 3 10-round magazines.

[TVTyrant]

What caliber? 45?

[Emmzee]

It's a 995, which means 9mm. If it were .45 ACP it would be a 4595.

[rossmum]

I always knew the 91/30 PU was a good system, but reading posts from much more talented shooters than myself as to its true potential owns.


Up until I bought one of the AIM Molot PU sniper rifles, my outlook was the PU was really a dedicated marksman type rifle and probably accurate enough out to 600 yds / meters. I have changed my mind now that I took it out to 1000 yds. For sniping purposes, it can be deadly across the course. I hope that does not offend anyone here with superior more modern systems but those systems were out there at 800,900 and 1000 yds and so was my lowly PU sniper and we all were in the black, in the 9 and 10 ring at times . Your human errors and winds will be a dynamic to master with the PU but it can be done. 600 yds: piece of cake to compete one on one against modern systems.

My rifle is a Izhevsk 1943, Progress scope (yellow hue but optics fine), mint (and truly mint) bore, refurb blue job as usual and what I consider the average Molot grade finish to the wood but stock is bedded right for the rifles accuracy. Its not the beauty queen some folks got from AIM but its metal and wood are 110% and it shoots / drills holes with accuracy.

I shot this PU sniper at 100, 300, 600, 800, 900 and 1000 yds. Once you got the load and scope data sorted out and it will put rounds into that 9 and 10 ring on a F class NRA target at 800, 900 and 1000 yds. Winds...they play with you hard at these ranges but you can hold front sight post into the wind and push rounds back on line..if your winds fluctuate, you got your work cut out. At the 300 and 600 yd distance, the rifle shines and is easy to shoot very very accurately. If you practice and have your load down right, 300 and 600 yd vintage sniper matches are no problem whatsoever. I was using the 300 yd SR3 NRA bull for 100 to 600 yd validation of loads and my rifle. 800 to 1000yds, F Class NRA bull was used for validation of loads and rifle.

My lessons learned with some hard knocks along the way all center on the 100 yd zero. I kept on reading concerns about not having enough elevation on the PU scope for long distance work so my 100 yd zero was with a 3 inch high bullet strike above point of aim with PU scope set at 0 elevation, 0 windage.

It was a PITA solution that worked but drove me nuts on Saturday. At 100yds, my hand loads shot 3 inch high as expected (no problem), At 300 yds, my scope was still at 0 elevation 0 windage and shooting point of aim to point of impact, at 600 yds with my elevation on drum 300 setting , 0 windage and rifle is shooting point of aim to point of impact. Clearly drum readings are not remotely close to the distance I am shooting. The 3 inch high at 100 yd zero is skewing things off for drum readings.

Day 1 , Saturday, we left 600 yd line and went to 1000 yds (the 338Lapua Mafia crew voted this and I had no choice... what now do I put on the scope as I have not shot 800, 900 yds yet with it so I am flying in blind here). Swag of 700 and 900 setting on drum and all shots fired at 1000 yds missed the target. Am I over or under? Shooting day was over so I mulled on this mystery.

On Day 2, Sunday,the F class non sanctioned match was happening and we started on the 800 yd line and would move and shoot 900 and 1000 yds. With spotters shot, my drum results for elevation at 800 yards ended up with a setting of 6, drum results for elevation at 900 yds was 7.5 and 1000 yds was 8.5 on the drum. Had I not factored that 3 inch high at 100 yd for zero, I would have drum
settings a bit more aligned with distance I am shooting.. or close to it.

Saturday and Sunday were the 2nd and 3rd time I ever shot at 1000 yds and the first times ever with my PU sniper. I am 65 next month so I am well onto the down hill slope. I say this to make a point: There is no magic with 1000 yds.. you just get the load sorted out, zero your rifle at 100 yd and head down range and kick the can hard. I got tons to learn about winds and mirage but I know my rifle and load will hang to 1000 yds and I can too. I am heading out every time I can to shoot long distances. I hope my experience will convince others to do so and to have a healthy respect for the PU sniper rifles capabilities.

Remember that one idiot Youtuber I was arguing with? "Russian junk" indeed. Enjoy your $15k+ space Mauser, nerd.

[TVTyrant]

Lol@handloads

[rossmum]

Some guys are getting MOA or just over with light ball, most are getting MOA or under with the 'Extra' target/match ammo (200gr lead core, much broader bearing surface, brass cased). It's really interesting to see how each rifle differs... some like full-barrel wraparound shims, some like to be floated for most of the barrel length by shimming at the shank, some are fine as they are...

[Spartan094]

Hi guys, kill me please
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/Mobile%20Uploads/2012-01-07_19-32-42_911.jpg

"Brought to you buy AR-15.com"
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_14/376508_Homebuilt_scoped_Mosin_91_30_Obrez__aka_Pro ject_Cockweasle.html

It may be rewelded together from two 91/30 receivers but, damn

[rossmum]

ugh

i'd be down with turning an already fucked mosin into a proper obrez, but that's retarded and gross

[Warsaw]

You might as well use a goddamn zip gun.

[Emmzee]

ugh

i'd be down with turning an already fucked mosin into a proper obrez, but that's retarded and gross
The way they did it they didn't have to fill out any NFA paperwork since they just constructed it as a pistol, so it's easy to see why the guy built it the way he did.

[rossmum]

But the two receivers were originally rifles I would assume, so doesn't that still put him afoul of the SBR laws?

[Emmzee]

If they were imported as just receivers, no. The NFA is weird.

[Emmzee]

2F-PmA662Zc

You will not be prepared for 0:40.

[rossmum]

hahaha holy shit, i would not want to piss that man off

[Emmzee]

Just picked this up for $200.

http://i.imgur.com/2Kaml.jpg

Compared to the most compact firearm I own, the Mini-14 with factory folding stock:

http://i.imgur.com/z4LWQ.jpg

So it's pretty compact.

First thoughts:
1. Gun is heavy as fuck. Easily 7.5 pounds, almost as much as my SKS.
2. Gun is pretty well balanced so the weight isn't as noticeable.
3. Stock is pretty comfortable, and the length of pull is short but manageable.
4. Trigger isn't comfortable, will begin looking for a replacement.
5. Battery in the red dot is dead so I have to buy a new one.
6. I can easily use the forward sling attachment as a foregrip.
7. I need more magazines.

[rossmum]

Hoping to get some shooting in over the coming week or so, and try out the new bolt body for the 91/30. Need to find someone I can trust to not fuck up the D&T too. You'd think they couldn't possibly, I mean the fucking screws are still there so you can see where to drill, but I wouldn't put anything past gunsmiths around here. Most of them see a military rifle and their first thought is how to 'improve' it.

[Emmzee]

Most of them see a military rifle and their first thought is how to 'improve' it.
Back in the day of mail-order gun catalogs in the USA and Canada, many surplus long guns were advertised as "great for hunters!" or "great to sporterize!" leading to (especially in Canada) a large number of surplus guns in circulation in the country being sporterized in some way.

When you can buy an Enfield for $19.95, why not sporterize it?

[rossmum]

Yeah, I can actually understand it immediately postwar through to the 60s, even. Past that it's just stupid and actually not really economically viable compared to purpose-built sporting rifles.

[Emmzee]

New family photo.

http://i.imgur.com/BcGzA.jpg

[rossmum]

Hurry up and get a pre-1950 Soviet SKS.

[Emmzee]

Paypal me $450 so I can afford it and I'll do it.

[PenGuin1362]

lol.

Nice collection Emmzee. Wish I took a family photo before I moved >_<. Now I only have my AR, M44, and 9mm out here :( Gonna be a while until I can get everything together

[Emmzee]

What happens when an Armenian with no previous firearms experience designs a shotgun?

NKXC4JG8fPs

[rossmum]

The only way is downhill, folks!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eVvxd0z6cQ

I want one of these things so bad, just for the comedy value.

[PenGuin1362]

It looks so much like everyone's "first m16 model!"

[rossmum]

Emmzee and I were discussing comparative pricing between Australia and the US, and he linked me to AIM's 91/30 page (http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?groupid=90&name=Russian+1891%2f30+7.62x54R+Mosin+Nagant+Rifle s).

I did a double-take when I expanded the photos. My rifle is a 1944 Izhevsk ex-PU, CT 3809, went through the refurb facility whose stamp is a boxed П, and bore Progress PU Б-143713. That one is 1944 Izhevsk ex-PU CT 1116, went through the same refurb facility, bore Progress PU Б-147(87?)9. Small world.

I wonder when they were separated, since my rifle either never came through the US, or did so pre-'68 then came straight here.

[Emmzee]

I don't think any Mosins made outside of the United States, aside from war bringbacks, came through the USA before 1996.

[rossmum]

Hellbent on a Stirling-made AR-180. One day. One day it will be mine.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGgD8TmI96o

e/ here's more info on that clusterfuck of a shotgun (http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/72262-unusual-shotgun/).

[Emmzee]

http://i.imgur.com/WzcrG.jpg

New AR-15 stock (http://www.zahal.org/products/buttstock-with-built-in-mag-carrier) that's being marketed as a "survival" stock. It holds a 10-round magazine flush with the rest of the stock. I wonder how unwieldy a C-Mag would be...

[TVTyrant]

Went and shot about 30 shot shells yesterday with a friend on Larch Mountain

Shot 50 rounds of 10mm and about 700 .22 LR

Nice relaxing day, but we left before really getting into the shotgun shooting. You know it's hot in Oregon when the Coastal mountains are in the 90 area.

[Emmzee]

90 degrees isn't hot, you pussy.

[TVTyrant]

It is here in the north.

[rossmum]

http://withfriendship.com/images/h/39974/Armalite-AR-18-image.jpg

hnggggghghfdsf

[Emmzee]

I did a bit of research into Russia joining the WTO in December 2011. When a country joins the WTO, it has to get rid of all voluntary trade restrictions with member nations. However, it is not immediate. They just have to phase them out over a 4-year period. So in a couple years we should start to see Russian arms be imported that haven't been imported since 1998.

[PenGuin1362]

:D :D :D

[rossmum]

Canadian-made EM-2.

http://i.imgur.com/Ml1q1.jpg

A guy in TFR would've been the proud owner if he'd known what it was and had some spare cash at the time. I would kill for the opportunity to own one of these.

[TVTyrant]

Those things have the weirdest iron sight design ever.

[rossmum]

That's because it's not an iron sight. It's a low-magnification optic, with flip-up irons as a backup. As far as I'm aware, it was the first standard integrated optical sight on an accepted military weapon (the EM-2 was accepted into service as the Rifle, Automatic, No. 9 Mk.1 before it was cancelled 50-some rifles into production).

e/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wdhN5_RpX4

[TVTyrant]

I was referring to the Iron Sight, not the scope. I can tell the difference, dogg.

[Emmzee]

If you are receiving this notice, your receiver has shipped and should be to your FFL by Wednesday August 22nd if not sooner.
omg

[rossmum]

The sights aren't really that unusual though? They're simple flip-ups, same as any modern set of BUIS, and they're offset, same as guns like the Bren or Owen.

[Spartan094]

I've been thinking of putting money down on getting a PU 91/30 Sniper from AIM or so. I might just sell off the WASR to a dumb friend I have for big money since I have a complete E. German stock set on it, if not to him I'll price it accordingly and try to sell it somewhere locally.

[rossmum]

Do it.

[rossmum]

http://i.imgur.com/YtcrN.jpg

Bisected 7.62x54r ShKAS machine gun round. Exploding bullet (PZ type). Re: my earlier jest about 'fun times'; if you ever find ShKAS ammo (large 'Ш' headstamp, primer is completely lacquered red, bullets often have red/black tips for AP, explosive, incendiary but also come in unpainted ball), DO NOT FIRE IT FROM ANYTHING THAT IS NOT A ShKAS MACHINE GUN. Do not fire PZ rounds, period.

[TVTyrant]

I'm pretty sure I can fire whatever I like here in Mericuh

[rossmum]

I actually wish those people would follow through on that. The sacrifice of that many Mosins would be a tragic, yet necessary, one. The world would be improved immeasurably.

[Spartan094]

So even if I pulled the bullet and did one reloaded 7.62x54r using the ShKAS bullet...is it still bad eh?

[rossmum]

If it's PZ? Yes. Internally primed, 70-year-old unstable explosives are not something you want to fuck with. AP/ball? Not so sure, but I wouldn't really be inclined to try it.

[PenGuin1362]

Do it you won't. (Disclaimer: Don't do it)

Also it's official guys:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19345844

[Emmzee]

im jerking off

[Spartan094]

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs47/i/2009/202/6/a/Jizz_in_my_Pants_by_Mani_B.jpg

[TVTyrant]

YES

CHEAP SKS FOR EVERYONE!!!!!

[Emmzee]

http://i.imgur.com/gQL95.jpg

[TVTyrant]

t3h s3hx

[Cortexian]

Fuck You And Die.

[Reaper Man]

Well, I don't personally own this but I'll be using it for the next 3 months
http://camerapro.net.au/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/h4d_31.jpg

Yeah, I'm going to keep re-using this joke.

[Spartan094]

Well fuck, the adjustable rear sight on my grandpa's Safari Arms Black Widow 1911 pistol is um, well needs a replacement, mostly the adjustable sight since the nut holding the screw in broke and some other little piece went flying off, I am not happy. I feel like I'm SoL cause I cant find any spare parts on the internet or anywhere.

[Emmzee]

I'd assume an adjustable 1911 rear sight wouldn't be that hard to find. 1911 parts are everywhere.

[PenGuin1362]

Pretty awesome

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4e7_1346280929

[Emmzee]

Daily drool:

http://i.imgur.com/i7Wrb.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/RSvZG.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/yozB0.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/6LJFD.jpg

[TVTyrant]

9mm?

[Emmzee]

Yeah, Colt DOE upper on a registered SBR lower. The DOE is a work of art. Too bad repro uppers (without BCG/charging handle) are close to a thousand dollars on Gunbroker, and genuine Colts are even more expensive.

[TVTyrant]

Yeah, Colt DOE upper on a registered SBR lower. The DOE is a work of art. Too bad repro uppers (without BCG/charging handle) are close to a thousand dollars on Gunbroker, and genuine Colts are even more expensive.
I've seen lots of regular length ones around. Any of these any good?

[Emmzee]

I've seen lots of regular length ones around. Any of these any good?
Even the repro DOE uppers, provided you get a BCG that isn't shit, are good to go.

[Warsaw]

Personally, I think it's hideous. It works, it's functional, and I like that, but I'll take basically any other 9mm SMG/carbine over that, thank you.

[Emmzee]

I've seen lots of regular length ones around. Any of these any good?
I just realized you're talking about 9mm uppers in general. 9mm uppers from reputable companies are all good to go; Vulcan 9mm uppers and the like obviously aren't. However, there are a few things to keep in mind when buying a 9mm AR-15, and those are what kind of magazine it uses. There are 3 main variations that you'll encounter on the market, and those are Colt, Sten, and Uzi magazines. Colt magazines are the most common type, and they use the Colt 9mm SMG magazines which are plentiful. Uzi magazine variations are the least common of the three and use modified Uzi magazines. Sten magazine variations became really popular during the AWB when the price of most preban high-cap mags was through the roof. However, since hardly anybody used Stens, preban surplus Sten mags were dirt cheap, usually around $15. They don't make a lot Sten magazine 9mm uppers anymore, but these use modified Sten mags.

Colt magazines are definitely the way to go.

[Emmzee]

VAC6EBSu6jQ

FUCK

[Spartan094]

Dude wat

[rossmum]

Holy shit.


Personally, I think it's hideous. It works, it's functional, and I like that, but I'll take basically any other 9mm SMG/carbine over that, thank you.
Incorrect opinion; DOE carbines are adorable.

Here's a thing I posted on TFR.


When my dad brought his hunting rifle out from Canada, he also brought out a pair of little old .22s. One is a single shot with a little 4x scope and was claimed by my sister. I think it's a Lithgow Slazenger, but I can't remember offhand. The other is this:

http://i.imgur.com/CIfgrl.jpg (http://imgur.com/CIfgr)

It's a BSA Sportsman Fifteen. BSA is Birmingham Small Arms for any who don't know, they made bicycles and motorbikes as well as guns (and probably more besides). I don't know how old it is, but I do know my grandfather owned it and my mother learned to shoot on it. Regardless of age it's in really nice condition. It's a cock-on-close action, and the spring in it is really beefy so it takes some effort to cycle, but it locks up nice and tight and otherwise is pretty unremarkable, I guess. It also has a pretty heavy barrel on it, with lots of nice stamps and proofmarks:

http://i.imgur.com/UWvkjl.jpg (http://imgur.com/UWvkj)

http://i.imgur.com/jaHUgl.jpg (http://imgur.com/jaHUg)

It's a tube-fed rifle. I don't know how many shots it actually holds (I've never bothered to count, too busy shooting), but it's quite a few. The tube loads in a fairly bizarre way, through a little .22lr-shaped port in the bottom front. To open it, you have to twist the endcap a half-turn left, then pull it free. It's attached to a long sleeve which sits inside the magazine and also houses the plunger and spring.

http://i.imgur.com/ov0Qvl.jpg (http://imgur.com/ov0Qv)

http://i.imgur.com/O7ScWl.jpg (http://imgur.com/O7ScW)

The stock (which looks really, really nice for its age, and is nice and light) has a big BSA cartouche on the left side.

http://i.imgur.com/3Ap5Kl.jpg (http://imgur.com/3Ap5K)

http://i.imgur.com/wu41Cl.jpg (http://imgur.com/wu41C)

I'm not sure what these rifles carried for sights originally, but there is a dovetail about halfway along its length. This one has something a little classier than most plinking rifles I've seen, I'd have to say.

http://i.imgur.com/qZLqzl.jpg (http://imgur.com/qZLqz)

http://i.imgur.com/4fJLcl.jpg (http://imgur.com/4fJLc)

Safety is, as can plainly be seen, a simple matter of twisting the cocking piece. The word 'SAFE' sits level when the safety is engaged. This locks the trigger but the bolt can still be opened. Apparently this concept is beyond Australian Customs, who felt the need to drill sizeable divots in the rear of the bolt and the cocking piece and then put red paint in them so us retards could tell when our rifle was cocked, off safe, and ready to fire. Thanks, Customs! :downs:

Anyway, the rifle is nice to shoot and pretty deadly. I'm crap with any manner of ironsights, but once I find the sweet spot I can nail a little 2" swinging plate with it pretty easily out to about 40 yards, which is probably not that impressive but is a start for someone who learned to shoot on scopes. Between getting a chance to spend some real quality time with this lil' guy and getting my Enfield's front sight adjusted properly after three years of shooting about three miles to the right of whatever I'm aiming at, things are pretty sweet right about now.

Put about 200rds LR through it over the last few days, turns out it holds 17. 17 LR means 25 Short. Time to buy some Shorts! :iamafag:

[PenGuin1362]

FUCK

Fuckin' Russians man.


Incorrect opinion; DOE carbines are adorable.

lol. But I agree, they are adorable.

[Emmzee]

I'd wager that that BSA holds somewhere around 16 rounds because the tube looks identical to the tube on my Winchester 1890.

Edit: didn't read the rest of the post.

[rossmum]

This page (http://www.rifleman.org.uk/BSA_Sportsman_Rifles.htm) puts it between '50-'55. Judging by the serial I'd say '54, maybe early '55. Also it turns out I had ownership mixed up, this one was my great grandfather's, the Slazenger was my grandfather's.

[Warsaw]

Adorable is not necessarily the opposite of hideous. Things can be hideous and adorable, like spiders. Or T-26s.

[rossmum]

An old photo I dug up:

http://i.imgur.com/UHYp3l.jpg (http://imgur.com/UHYp3)

...And a not-so-old one. Mocked up, the mount's not on yet - rifle is just resting against the scope mount.

http://i.imgur.com/4aLHzl.jpg (http://imgur.com/4aLHz)

One day I'll have to see if I can find a full-blown sniper bolt rather than a converted one. There is a world of difference between them. Need to figure out what the fuck I'm going to do with the mismatched stock and handguard too, since they don't fit perfectly and it's dicking my accuracy. Tempted to buy a new stock or handguard (or both), the current pair have a noticeable difference at the rear barrel band so it sits crooked and wanders around sometimes.

[TVTyrant]

You coul always buy a hideous sporter stock. At the very least you can pillar bed it and it will be awesome. Ugly, and a sin, but awesome.

[Tnnaas]

Assuming my SD card is alive I'm going to have to whip out some shots of the black-powder .50 my dad bought a few months back.

My step-dad on the other hand just bought this (http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p229.aspx), a new Sig Sauer P229, for home-defense. I'll grab pics if/when we take it to the range. So far it feels like the best handgun I've held, but until I fire a few dozen rounds I'll have to hold off on saying it's the best I've used.

[TVTyrant]

Going deer hunting from today til Monday the 17th

Hopefully I will come back with some delicious bambi meat.

[Warsaw]

Assuming my SD card is alive I'm going to have to whip out some shots of the black-powder .50 my dad bought a few months back.

My step-dad on the other hand just bought this (http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p229.aspx), a new Sig Sauer P229, for home-defense. I'll grab pics if/when we take it to the range. So far it feels like the best handgun I've held, but until I fire a few dozen rounds I'll have to hold off on saying it's the best I've used.

Real men shoot .69 Springfields.

:mech2:

[Tnnaas]

Real men shoot .69 Springfields.In case you haven't noticed, I'm not a real man by society's standards (http://i.imgur.com/pRgEd.jpg). :realsmug:

[rossmum]

You coul always buy a hideous sporter stock. At the very least you can pillar bed it and it will be awesome. Ugly, and a sin, but awesome.
you are a bad person with bad ideas

[Warsaw]

In case you haven't noticed, I'm not a real man by society's standards (http://i.imgur.com/pRgEd.jpg). :realsmug:

I'm not affiliated with society's standards.

:mech2:

[Tnnaas]

Touché.

Still, I'm pretty sure one of them's fired a .69 springfield before. Me? I'm working my way up at least, or down if 8-guage shells ever counted. I'm on 9mm rounds now? What's next? .22s? .177s?

[Warsaw]

8 gauge is some serious stuff. Though the only reason I was advocating the .69 Springfield is because that's an actual historical firearm that is full-on bad-ass because it isn't that modern pellet/centerfire bojangly stuff. Also smoothbore.

All around, black-powder weapons are fare more pleasant to shoot than modern firearms.

[rossmum]

'hilarious' would be the word i would use, but 'pleasant'?

[Warsaw]

Modern firearms snap back into your shoulder sharply, but black powder arms are more of a firm shove. So yes, pleasant is the appropriate word.

[rossmum]

'Firm shove' is how I would describe most WWII rifles, actually, especially the Enfield. Wildcats and purpose-designed hunting rounds kick, service rounds push.

[Warsaw]

Rifles like the Springfield and Lee-Enfield are still much more of a snap than a shove like black-powder. I've done quite a bit of shooting with replica American Civil War-era arms (Springfields and Enfields mostly) and they are comparatively gentle. They kick back, but they don't accelerate as fast as smokeless.

[PenGuin1362]

so. let's not ever fuck with Russia. The second video this guy fires a fully automatic PKM and he's pretty accurate considering the circumstances.

em1AgMenc94

yRG3Y3p7Y4U

[Spartan094]

Holy moly

[Warsaw]

Next time somebody complains about too much recoil in games, remind them that if it were more like real life, the game would be unplayable.

[PenGuin1362]

Next time somebody complains about too much recoil in games, remind them that if it were more like real life, the game would be unplayable.

Well this man uses a self developed technique that he's sharing with LE and Military (of Russia). But isn't really sharing the details of his technique. Not like the average shooter can accomplish this.

[Warsaw]

It's not just that, though.

I've seen many, many videos of people firing <automatic firearm> and doing it without the gun flying up two or three inches on every shot or so.

Take the PPSh in Red Orchestra. It was balanced for the game. Does a PPSh have that much recoil? Fuck no, it's a tiny 7.62x25mm pistol round combined with a heavy gun.

That said, his technique is impressive, but I hope it can be used under high-stress scenarios without much thought.

[rossmum]

recoil is for nerds - that guy, 2012

[TVTyrant]

"Found" my Grampa's 1903 Springfield in the truck after hunting today. I think he just "forgot" it. The thing was sporterized in the 60's, so don't bitch. If I can find my camera, I will take some terrible pictures.

[rossmum]

hurry up nerd

also, his in the sense of 'he brought it home', or in the sense of 'he bought it'?

[TVTyrant]

hurry up nerd

also, his in the sense of 'he brought it home', or in the sense of 'he bought it'?
Bought it in the exact state it's in in the 60's. Bought a Springfield (sporterized) an Enfield (sporterized) a Krag Jurgenson (sporterized) a M70 WInchester in .300 Mag, and a .300 Weatherby (on a Mark V) all for $50 at some guys estate sale. I think he said it was in 1966.

[TVTyrant]

Also apparently my camera is lost forever :(

When I get home on Monday (hunting over the rest of the weekend) I will see what I can do.

[rossmum]

what degree of sporterising?

[Warsaw]

It's a Springfield, nobody minds...

I went there.

[TVTyrant]

what degree of sporterising?
totally different stock, sights, drilled and tapped for scope mounts, etc. Not terrible, but kind of irritating now that I look at them.

[Emmzee]

Thanks to the US taking a favored stance to Egypt once again with the upcoming financial aid, they've began importing Maadi parts kits (http://www.classicfirearms.com/maddipartsset1) again for the first time since the 1990s. Only missing the barrel and receiver, and from what I gather the parts kits are all matching. Building a complete AK from one of these parts kits should cost LESS THAN $450 INCLUDING shipping and FFL fees for the receiver, buying a Nodak Spud receiver ($85 shipped + FFL fee) and an ER Shaw barrel ($70). Remember, Maadis are built on Russian tooling and are considered among the best AKs on the US market.

Also these parts kits have the cool-looking wire stocks which is awesome. I think I have to get one of these soon because I have no clue what the availability will be over the coming months.

[rossmum]

totally different stock, sights, drilled and tapped for scope mounts, etc. Not terrible, but kind of irritating now that I look at them.
weaver mount, m73 or repro scope, 03a4 stock and bolt handle...

do it.

[TVTyrant]

weaver mount, m73 or repro scope, 03a4 stock and bolt handle...

do it.
If it stays at my house and he never mentions it, I so will. Also, camera is gone. The fuck.

[Emmzee]

http://i.imgur.com/ariuy.jpg

[TVTyrant]

Almost died laughing

[rossmum]

lmao, modern sports rifle, that owns

[Warsaw]

All you need for a sports rifle is the rifle, a magazine, and some bullets.

Anything more is for wimps and nerds.

[PenGuin1362]

it's funny cause walmart stopped selling everything but ammo and cleaning kits for the past few years

[Warsaw]

Not the ones near me...

[Emmzee]

When I lived in Charlotte, the closest Wal-Mart stopped selling "all tactical ammunition," which meant they stopped selling anything that wasn't rimfire or birdshot. They got picketed and boycotted until they started stocking all types of ammo again.

Oddly, that particular Wal-Mart always had .416 Rigby for sale. I wasn't aware Charlotte, North Carolina was a huge nexus for big game hunters.

[Warsaw]

Squirrels are vicious beasts, man...

[PenGuin1362]

Only just found this article (not the HK letter, the guy's response to it) but I enjoyed it lol https://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/hk-because-you-suck-and-we-hate-you/

[Emmzee]

Speaking of .416 Rigby...


Now for the .416 Rigby tale. Actually, I've seen two of them used, albeit in different ways. Many years ago when I was a cop I got a call of a suicide. It turns out that this guy had a extensive gun collection, one of which was a .416 Rigby. For some reason that I don't remember, things had gotten bad and he decided to end it all with a bullet to the chest. Needless to say, the bullet went through him without slowing down, punched a hole in the ceiling, and blew a hole through the roof before achieving orbit around the earth. On the other side of things, the recoil blasted the butt of the gun off the floor and punched the stock about halfway through his TV set. Elvis would have been proud. Both the entrance and exit wounds were remarkably small, but I didn't get to see the autopsy so I can't report on what it did to the innards. Also, while I was a cop there was a gun store, the name of which escapes me, that specialized only in high-dollar classic guns, such as L.C. Smiths, H&H, big African doubles, and the like. One night this gun store was burglarized, and the thieves got away with some really expensive guns. Several months later a local convenience store was robbed at gunpoint and the perpetrators were caught shortly thereafter. As it turned out, the gun held on the proprietor was one of the guns taken in the burglary--a .416 Rigby that the thieves had sawed the barrel down to 18 inches. As I remember it, they didn't have any ammo for it, but somehow looking down the bore of the thing was more than enough to convince the clerk to hand over the money, which was on the order of $100. There's no telling what the gun itself was worth before these candidates for MENSA sawed it off, but I can assure you it was worth far in excess of their take. As my favorite saying goes, "Against stupidity, the gods themselves fight unvictorious."

[rossmum]

those kinds of stories are simultaneously hilarious and horrifying

[InnerGoat]

guns kill people :haw:

[PenGuin1362]

bullets r cancer.

[Emmzee]

Currently, I'm planning on getting a 75rd Romanian AK drum for my SKS-NR, along with a few other stick mags. However, in order for AK drums to fit in SKS variants that take AK mags, the stock around the magwell must be cut down to allow for the drum's bulky profile. It can look like this:

http://i.imgur.com/fXBnO.jpg

However, a gunsmith friend of mine assured me I only need to cut around 1/4" of the stock around the magwell to get a drum to fit. He recommended I get a cheap red fiberglass stock (there are a few on Gunbroker with upper handguards for $35), but I've been thinking something that will never hold any real collector's value. I was thinking of getting a Tapco or ATI stock and modifying that to take AK drums, as well as getting an AR-15 stock adapter. So that's my current project. First, I have to get the drum itself, which I'm going to get whenever one of my IRL friends gets enough money to buy my Wii that I haven't used in 5 years. I might just get a fiberglass stock and put an AK pistol grip where the bayonet slot is (my SKS-NR doesn't have a bayonet) for truly tactical applications. I figure that wouldn't cost me more than $50 with shipping, whereas a Tapco or ATI stock (although I would prefer one of the old Combat Exchange folders) would be significantly more.

[Emmzee]

Here's another drum fitting mod:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/tom99999/100_2102_zpsaa5ce91e.jpg

This one was done by someone a bit more professional and you can really tell.

My current plan is to get an ATI sidefolder and an AR-15 stock adapter that someone on another forum is making. It will end up looking a lot like this, but with a MOE stock:

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn121/salanw/Inventions/P1050035.jpg

[Cortexian]

I'm selling my TC Venture .30-06 if anyone is interested, $550 OBO.

Canadians only unless you want to deal with all the political red-tape.

[Cortexian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2irVTQFi0mE

I'm wondering why they didn't have quick-releases on their rappel lines... Also, LOL at the dude who almost goes over ass-backwards on the assailant. Incredibly fast recovery from that though.

Here's another video with some different angles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqz-xcwkKsQ

[Spartan094]

Going to a gun show later today, it's been since I think April since I last gone, I shall see what my results yeild...oh wait tacticool errywhere.

I'll probably buy another Mosin Nagant with my luck...maybe

[Spartan094]

I acutely bought nothing, I saw for a change 6 Russian SKS instead of one or two. And 1 out of the 6 was a non-refurb, I wanted to pour my money into it...but I can't so I figure I'll wait till after this election since the prices are all jacked high up for now. Russian SKS's $500+...oh how I wish we had it as good as the Canadians when it comes to prices on SKS's and SVT40's but that will have to wait.

[Emmzee]

The last gun show I went to had a dealer selling Romanian AK drums for $250 and claiming they were "illegal now" so "the price is just going to continue to rise" and that paying 2.5 times as much as I could on J&G (where they are in stock) was a "good investment."

And somebody actually did buy one.

Then the guy at the taser booth decided it would be a good idea to set off all his tasers at once, creating an electric maelstrom that cleared the entire building and got him banned for life.

[rossmum]

Welp. I am so glad these retards are allowed to own guns, let alone sell them.

Also, I had a dream last night. Well, more a nightmare. In part of it, someone really roughly stripped back the finish on my Enfield's stock and painted camo over it. Fuck it was a terrifying thought.

http://www.project-new-hope.com/upload/images/enfield/no4.jpg

Still okay. Whew.

[Cortexian]

Was it digital camo?

[Emmzee]

WYJKKLHZTjE

[rossmum]

Was it digital camo?
No.

[Cortexian]

No.
Well at least it wasn't as bad as possible!

[rossmum]

It was pretty fucking bad. He did it with like a scraper or some shit, not sandpaper, so the smooth curve of the stock was all fucked up and it looked like a low-poly 3D model without smoothing. Fuck nightmares.

[Emmzee]

Hey Ross, what type of 7.62x54R ammo is the one to watch out for due to it being intended for machine guns only?

[rossmum]

Answered you on Steam during the brief window it unfroze, but I'll answer again here for everyone's benefit. I also didn't realise you meant that, I thought you just meant generic machine gun ammo (type D heavy ball, yellow tip, safe to shoot except in semiautos). The "don't shoot out of rifles, ever, and in fact probably just don't even handle period" is anything with 'Ш' on the headstamp, especially if the tip is red or red/black. Anything with that headstamp is for a ShKAS (ШKAC) machine gun only and should never be fired from anything else. Red and red/black tips are explosive, IIRC, and have an internally primed PETN charge inside the bullet. They are, predictably, not very stable after 70 years.

[TVTyrant]

Saw a Chink SKS at a pawn today for 250. Great looking, but doesn't have the bayonet.

Worth it?

[Spartan094]

I bought this Monday, came in earlier today.
https://www.apexgunparts.com/product_info.php/products_id/2298

And do I love the Yugo BHO mag, very pretty and loved the blue look, I want more. The bayonet and scabbard numbers match, grenade launching adapter doesn't even look issued.


E: Thou I has developed new problems, the lever for releasing the gas tube..snapped. Fuck. And I need to replace the gas block so I can add a new one with a bayonet lug. Might as well replace the FSB too while I'm at it.

[rossmum]

Saw a Chink SKS at a pawn today for 250. Great looking, but doesn't have the bayonet.

Worth it?
I'm going to say no purely on principle, if it ain't got a bayonet it ain't shit

[Warsaw]

Can't find a replacement bayonet? Number matching be damned, it's a friggin' SKS not a sniper's MN1891/1930.

[Cortexian]

http://www.kushnapup.com

[rossmum]

Watch as it has the worst fucking trigger known to man

[PenGuin1362]

Or, you know, the most fuck ugly kit. But that's just me.