The Official CMT SPv2 Promotion Items Thread (new pics as of 8-25-07)

[ICEE]

wow. 100 pages. also are those pictures in truth and reconcilliation? looks good

[teh lag]

Edit : Fixed, enjoy the pics of the AR on T&R.


also are those pictures in truth and reconcilliation? looks good


God DAMN.

[ICEE]

well excuse me if i dont read every single comment on the thread. this is a big ass thread

[Archon23]

At least read fully the CURRENT comments. We're not asking you to browse through all 101 pages of it.

[teh lag]

well excuse me if i dont read every single comment on the thread. this is a big ass thread

I apologize. I'm a bit stressed right now, just got off a 6 hour car ride.

[AAA]

I understand your pain, man. So, any other weapons you're planning on updating on?...

[[BD] Spartan]

Yeah, not pushing everyone to the limit, but are you guys updating (new model/animations) for the BR?

[Warsaw]

To be honest, I don't like the way the MA5C display turns yellow, etc. It would be better, in my opinion, if it flashed blue and read (like the ammo meter does when low) when you have say, 12 rounds left, and it turned completely red when totally empty (during reloading and when there is nothing left to reload with).

[AAA]

To be honest, I don't like the way the MA5C display turns yellow, etc. It would be better, in my opinion, if it flashed blue and read (like the ammo meter does when low) when you have say, 12 rounds left, and it turned completely red when totally empty (during reloading and when there is nothing left to reload with).

Personally, the colors are great...I likd the idea of a darker blue in there, but it wouldn't fit the style right.

What about multiple colors? like from the original blue and as the ammo lowers, the color starts to turn more into yellow and the same process with Red. Sounds a little complicated, but I was throwing out an idea.

[DrunkenSamus]

Spartan;107105']Yeah, not pushing everyone to the limit, but are you guys updating (new model/animations) for the BR?

Didn't you see the videos? As far as I know, the BR has new reloading animations.

[{G36} SoRRoW]

I'm sorry...this is a stupid question but where do you find all these videos...I havent seen any on the first page. Thanks

EDIT: Woot! Page 102

[Archon23]

Try the first post in the Collective Information/Questions thread.

[Warsaw]

Personally, the colors are great...I likd the idea of a darker blue in there, but it wouldn't fit the style right.

What about multiple colors? like from the original blue and as the ammo lowers, the color starts to turn more into yellow and the same process with Red. Sounds a little complicated, but I was throwing out an idea.

I'm fine with the blue they chose, but the yellow just isn't my fancy. It just doesn't match the rest of the game too well.

[TrU7H]

I understand your pain, man. So, any other weapons you're planning on updating on?...

hey i feel the same way, but don't press the CMT for updates, as teh lag said to me on AIM, AIM log from July 22(6:12:26 PM):Perhaps if people would stop whinign for updates we wouldn't feel so pressured and could update when we have good thing sto show.

so yea.

[AAA]

I'm not whining, although I really should stop bringing it up, but sometimes I feel as though my posts should have something to do with the subjct and sometims I don't post for that and I think I should edit to come to subject and I can't think of anything but "Any Updates?". Thank you Tru7h and I'm Sorry.

[supersniper]

Hey AAA I answered your PM on my New Server Topic because it says that you have disable PMing. So when you see it click on the spoiler. It is the last post.

[AAA]

Hey AAA I answered your PM on my New Server Topic because it says that you have disable PMing. So when you see it click on the spoiler. It is the last post.

Thanks :) and sorry about that, my options won't change.

[TrU7H]

yea it's fine, don't worry about it, i do it sometimes too

[ICEE]

I apologize. I'm a bit stressed right now, just got off a 6 hour car ride.


I accept your apology. also, i think that the blue-yellow-red light scheme is awesome. it really helps, i dont even have to look at the ammo counter to know that im almost out, because i can see the color out of the corner of my eye

[TrU7H]

yea that's useful, but i hardly ever look at my ammo counter anyways, normally i fire until my weapon clicks and just switch to me 2nd weapon, and whenever i'm not fighting, i instintively(however you spell that) reload all my weapons, thus keeping them at max amount of ammo possible.

[Ki11a_FTW]

It's part of our hud for beta builds, incase one that we give out is leaked.

ahhh ok

[DrunkenSamus]

Will handing out crab cakes make SPv2 released quicker?

[Hotrod]

Will handing out crab cakes make SPv2 released quicker?

No, it would slow it down because CMT's team members would be too busy eating crab cakes when they could be working.

[Shangri-La]

In those pictures ive seen an SMG with silencer and without whats it gonna be SMG with silencer? without? or what 2 difrent ones? or did you figure out how to make it that you can take it on and off like certain Counter Strike weapons?

[ICEE]

hahaaha! i have an answer for once. yes, i had this conversation with masterz. in some levels the smg will be silenced, some levels it will not. and in NO levels will the two both be in. HAHAHAAA.... i knew

[ImSpartacus]

hahaaha! i have an answer for once. yes, i had this conversation with masterz. in some levels the smg will be silenced, some levels it will not. and in NO levels will the two both be in. HAHAHAAA.... i knew

that deserves some sexy +rep

anyways, the new screens look sexy, i like the beta 'watermark' thing. even though it serves little actual purpose... i dont think leaks have been a problem. build id entifacation is a cool thing, even though it doesnt effect the end result.

[RedBaron]

I'm going to get shot for saying this, but the MA5C looks... disapointing in game. If the top casing was the same color and shined the same as the old AR in the picture under 6/9/07, then it might be better. That's my two cents. I'm sure it'll look amazing in H2V though.

[ICEE]

i like shiny too delta. but it just isnt halo 3

[DrunkenSamus]

It's a custom map team for god sakes. It doesn't necessarily have to be Halo 3. Ignorance is like global warming...its everywhere and its happening right now.

[nooBBooze]

Ignorance is like global warming...its everywhere and its happening right now.
Thank you, Sir. :_)

[KntTader]

I agree CMT should polish up the AR with some silver like the AR in the MP maps.

[RedBaron]

I never said I wanted it to be like halo 3, where did you guys get that idea? I said I wanted it more like the AR in the picture under 6/9/07, in other words, I wanted it to at least match the quality as the one in the multiplayer maps.

And the numbers in the gun's LCD are a little too big. In every picture, the corners of the numbers are practically touching the outer outline. The LCD screen looks really cluttered right now.

[DaneO'Roo]

You people are retarded. The one in the multiplayer map fails in comparison to this one. You people just like shiny chrome stupid spastic unrealistic shaders that make the gun look as though it's a mirror. That sort of shit just nulls out any detail.


After all my hard work making this awesome looking halo 3 AR's textures you wan't stupid spastic halo 1 AR with shitty shaders that makes the gun look as though it's made of silk/velvet?

awesome


*edit* omfg, you people are sillier than I thought. Look at what fucking level those shots were taken.

a50 aka NIGHT TIME. You can see him using the fucking flashlight ffs. Name 1 weapon that looks as good as it does in open light as it does under night radiosity with a flashlights light hitting it from the back.

god

Masterz, Lag, take pics of stuff on DAYLIGHT levels so people can properly see the shine of shaders and stuff. That level is just fucking gay. Try taking shots from my fav level, a30 - Halo, or something else in the light.

Also, AR's smoothing needs fixing around the screen and on the slider lever grip

[DaneO'Roo]

I'm going to get shot for saying this, but the MA5C looks... disapointing in game. If the top casing was the same color and shined the same as the old AR in the picture under 6/9/07, then it might be better. That's my two cents. I'm sure it'll look amazing in H2V though.

Night.Time.blue.lighting.flashlight.for.fucks.sake

the actual fucking gun isn't blue, the gun is the exact same colour as the old AR, because they are both the same desaturated grey, god DAMMIT

I personally don't wan't the gun to look like a clean butterknife, but watever.

I don't care what you people think, that old CMT ar's shaders were shit and nulled out all detail, made it look constantly wet or greased up or made of velvet. Not even the halo 3 AR is like that. The halo 3 AR shows definition between what should and shouldn't shine.

[RedBaron]

Someone woke up on the wrong side of the rock -_-

At least look into the numbers on the gun's LCD. The size should be decreased just a tidbit.

[Huero]

I think it's fine, considering that's the only function anyone uses.

[RedBaron]

I don't mean I want it to be decreased in size dramatically, just so that the 'corners' of the numbers aren't touching, or seem to be touching, the bright outer outline. Maybe 95%-97% of the size that it is now.

[Huero]

I honestly find it aesthetically pleasing that way; the larger it is, the better, as long as it isn't too cramped, which it isn't.

[TrU7H]

It's a custom map team for god sakes. It doesn't necessarily have to be Halo 3. Ignorance is like global warming...its everywhere and its happening right now.
o wow, sigged

back on subject: i agree with delta, i think the numbers SHOULD be a bit smaller. also, dano is right, the friggin pics were taken on friggin T&R, the lighting sucks, and i hate silver weapons, it's retarded, it makes me think how if the stupid UNSC can afford to make weapons out of silver, then they could've gave me better shielding, armor, weapons, and other crap.

[Hotrod]

...and i hate silver weapons, it's retarded, it makes me think how if the stupid UNSC can afford to make weapons out of silver, then they could've gave me better shielding, armor, weapons, and other crap.

Ummm, the weapons aren't made out of silver you know, they're probably made of some metal we don't have yet.

[Archon23]

Uh Silver? If it was silver it would shine like hell. Besides Silvers not exactly the first metal Id use to make guns yah know.

[nooBBooze]

Could be usefull for hunting werewolves tough.

[DrunkenSamus]

I like the new AR as it is now. It looks snug and comfy in the Chief's hands.

[TrU7H]

i know, but i meant you could cover the gun in silver though

[Hotrod]

i know, but i meant you could cover the gun in silver though

And why would you do that? In plus, that doesn't mean that the gun is made of sliver.

[Masterz1337]

Dear god guys, get on topic.

[ICEE]

You people are retarded. The one in the multiplayer map fails in comparison to this one. You people just like shiny chrome stupid spastic unrealistic shaders that make the gun look as though it's a mirror. That sort of shit just nulls out any detail.


After all my hard work making this awesome looking halo 3 AR's textures you wan't stupid spastic halo 1 AR with shitty shaders that makes the gun look as though it's made of silk/velvet?

awesome


*edit* omfg, you people are sillier than I thought. Look at what fucking level those shots were taken.

a50 aka NIGHT TIME. You can see him using the fucking flashlight ffs. Name 1 weapon that looks as good as it does in open light as it does under night radiosity with a flashlights light hitting it from the back.

god

Masterz, Lag, take pics of stuff on DAYLIGHT levels so people can properly see the shine of shaders and stuff. That level is just fucking gay. Try taking shots from my fav level, a30 - Halo, or something else in the light.

Also, AR's smoothing needs fixing around the screen and on the slider lever grip


equal opinion, just less cursing and violent words

[AAA]

Will ther be added scratches/gashes to the weapon or are you going to leave it the way it is? (not that it's a problem)

[DrunkenSamus]

When I come back from camp, I hoooooope this will be released.

[supersniper]

Yea I'm going to camp too. This Sunday, I'm so excited!
And way to go to be nice and not say like this better be out or stuff like that.
+rep

[TrU7H]

And why would you do that? In plus, that doesn't mean that the gun is made of sliver.
i have no idea, same as why i have no idea why there are such things as guilded armor

[bleach]

We all do.:eyesroll:

[Darkbiship]

for some reason I cannot see the second 7-23 update help please?

[Edward Elrich]

Try reloading the page. If that doesn't work, right-click on where the picture(s) should be and select "show picture."

[Masterz1337]

Updated.

[Archon23]

What is up with the flare? Its tiny.

[Jay2645]

You need to update the title, Masterz. It still says 7/23.

[Masterz1337]

=o http://www.cmt.h2vista.net/videos/cmta10clip.wmv

Had to, sorry about the sound.

[Boba]

What did you shoot to make all the glowing cobalt blood come out? 0.o

[RedBaron]

What video card does your uber sexy new computer have by the way, masterz?

[Masterz1337]

8800GTX

[RedBaron]

*cuts myself in the wrist for wasting all my cash on 360.....

Oh well, I don't even think I can fit an 8800 in my PC anyway, nor is my power supply large enough...

Anyways, from the new video, I can finally see the reflection maps on the AR (or whatever you guys call it for HaloCE) Sorry if I was a little skeptical in the other thread, I've been playing CSS with highpoly reskins lately with full HDR, AA, Antistropic, basically the works and that tends to raise my expectations. I always seem to forget that Halo is running on an out of date engine....

[Dole]

Ah, that video explains a lot. The final build will use CAD's animations (at least origins and reload), right?

Btw, Plasma Pistol overcharge projectile is dead sexy.

[DrunkenSamus]

Btw, Plasma Pistol overcharge projectile is dead sexy.

It sure is, it sure is....and YES! The AR's reload is actually awesome now. The one in the Multi maps looked like it...didn't hurt.:beating:

[ExAm]

Nice. Muzzle flash needs to be bigger though, and the "muzzle brake" effect is all over the place. Kinda like Counter Strike. It's not physically possible.

[Masterz1337]

The video said the AR fire effect was not done.

[DrunkenSamus]

The video said the AR fire effect was not
done.

That's really beautiful.

[TheSaintlyAlphonse]

but... it's only the 28th!

[supersniper]

HA your right why does it say the 29th??

[Ralex123]

The AR looks beautiful. NICE JOB!!!!!!!! Downloading movie now...
EDIT: You guys added spike nades?? AWESOME! I love the vid. If anyone is confused about what I'm talking about, look at the nade section of the HUD and you see a familiar shape. It also seems that Grunts can now charge thier plasma pistols...

[mistercheif]

^dude they added the spike nades around 2-3 weeks ago, if you havent noticed that thread with the weird name to it...

[RedBaron]

I think the first pic under 7/29/07 has a broken link.

So, when do we get to see brutes and mark III's?

[bleach]

Masterz, is your video card the Geforce 8600 GTS?
Anyways, the Vid was sexy, even though it had no sound. The plasma pistol overcharge projectile was l337. I know you guys are fixing the Assault Rifle still. The rest looks great, unless it was only your video card that made it great. I wonder if i'll get gray blobs of everything on my ATI 9250.:rolleyes:

[DrunkenSamus]

Masterz has a 8800GTX

[ICEE]

masterz needs to work on his pistol aiming =p

[Hotrod]

That looks very good, I hope that it will run well on my outdated computer...

[Jay2645]

If you guys want, I can hook you up with the full version of Fraps in exchange for a campaign map or two... ;)

[ICEE]

just wait it out jay

[CtrlAltDestroy]

If you guys want, I can hook you up with the full version of Fraps in exchange for a campaign map or two... ;)

You're pathetic.

[HDoan]

I would give them it for free... Suck up xD
EDIT: Are those bump maps HDoan sees? Those particles are awesome

[supersniper]

Lol I like waiting better because the suspense makes it all that much better!

[Dole]

Also, if the bolt automatically opens with every shot fired, wouldn't it lock into the catch?

[Warsaw]

Not necessarily. It depends on how the catch on the weapon works. Usually there is some mechanical device that triggers when the last round leaves the chamber.

[DaneO'Roo]

muhahah now I know the AR's multi works!

[DrunkenSamus]

That is also very beautiful. Not you Dano, the AR!

[n00b1n8R]

I don't like the little bump bit on the new hud (above the nade icons). keep it flat IMO

(AND SWAP THE SPARE AMO WITH THE AMO IN CLIPE METRE'S PLACE D:)

[Jay2645]

You're pathetic.
Yeesh, lighten up, I was just playing around.

[Dole]

(AND SWAP THE SPARE AMO WITH THE AMO IN CLIPE METRE'S PLACE D:)
...What?

[Archon23]

Translation: Swap the Ammo in Clip Counter with the Stored Ammo Counter.

[ExAm]

I second that emotion.

[n00b1n8R]

Translation: Swap the Ammo in Clip Counter with the Stored Ammo Counter.

that.

I wrote the end as D:) but it stuck the :) as a smiley...

[Ralex123]

I would like to see a Brute dedicated video, showing various scenes fighting Brutes. I'm not trying to force you guys, but I think everyone would appreciate a Brute vid. Is it possible to fix the way the marines leave the passenger seats of a tank? In the original Halo, they got off the tank a few seconds after you did, but in Spv1, they never get off. In SPv2, can you make sure that they get off the way they used to in the original? It can sometimes be a pain to fight 30 Covenant with 4 Marines....

[DrunkenSamus]

Especially if Johnson has a sniper rifle, and 2 of my marines happen to be Spartans with chainguns. It's REALLY difficult to get through the covenant that way....lol it was easy as pie.

[mewarmo990]

Great job with the Assault Rifle! To me, though, the muzzle flash seems a bit too small, even compared to the H3 Beta.

The video also had no sound, so I'm wondering if you changed the AR sounds to H3 style?

[ExAm]

The muzzle flash isn't finished.

[Haloking365]

Great job with the Assault Rifle! To me, though, the muzzle flash seems a bit too small, even compared to the H3 Beta. -It is not complete-

The video also had no sound, so I'm wondering if you changed the AR sounds to H3 style? -Yes-
Fixed that for ya'.

[TrU7H]

oook me and halo king are going to make a analysis of the video(based on all that we currently know) of everything that we've saw, that way, everyone wouldn't be asking so many friggin questions, mmmk? mmmk. it'll take a day or so, but for now, here are some comments of my own: ok 1) great job masterz, you took my advice when i asked to change the AR's tracers, iono if me asking really helped or not, but meh. 2) what difficulty was that played on anyways?.....it didn't look that hard to kill the elites, but masterz seemed to have some difficulty with it...... 3) the animations for the AR should be half a sec, or maybe even a full sec faster

[Dole]

Questions:
-Now that Zteam has acquired the source scripts for the campaign, will CMT play around with weapon customization (screw silencer onto SMG, attatch grenade launcher to BR) as was originally planned for Halo 2 Vista before the H2EK was found to be locked to most features? Or will time constraints and ammunition compatibility issues keep this barred out? Since it's not multiplayer, there shouldn't be any bugs that would aggravate gameplay.

-What is the status on the custom campaign level unveiled in the Christmas update?


oook me and halo king are going to make a analysis of the video(based on all that we currently know) of everything that we've saw, that way, everyone wouldn't be asking so many friggin questions, mmmk? mmmk. it'll take a day or so, but for now, here are some comments of my own: ok 1) great job masterz, you took my advice when i asked to change the AR's tracers, iono if me asking really helped or not, but meh. 2) what difficulty was that played on anyways?.....it didn't look that hard to kill the elites, but masterz seemed to have some difficulty with it...... 3) the animations for the AR should be half a sec, or maybe even a full sec faster
First: you're going to do an analysis of a minute-long clip? What will you find that we don't know for ourselves?
Second: I didn't see any tracers, what do you mean?
Third: none of the AR's animation look like they're a full second long to begin with. Do you mean make the reload take longer?
The final reload will probably look more like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTjA7_Ur_LA) anyway.

[Archon23]

Hes gonna make an analyisis for some of the more unfortunate. You know, the legally blind.

[TrU7H]

oook update, er......i heard that masterz is gonna make a bigger video, but that's just another rumor, not even sure if it's true, needs confirmation. Sides, this is just like haloking's thread of collective info, but this time in video form and it might keep the newcomers quiet, don't want too much spam here. and er......i don't really know, i'm bored, no one really interesting to play with on the MP maps, and yea, i'm stuck here at my dad's house with nothing else to do for another week, all my friend are 40 miles away from here =*(

and er....i've already saw that dole, CAD showed it to me a couple weeks ago. anyways, the reload doesnt look fast enough, you'd think the MC would TRY and reload faster with a whole army of covie and flood on his ass, but yea, whatever.

[RedBaron]

I don't think you understand that 0.5-1.0 secs is a long time when it comes to animations. So in terms of being 0.5-1.0 secs faster, master chief would be lightning fast, like the creepy shiny twitching spartans in SPV1, especially if it was decreased by a whole sec.

[TrU7H]

i already understand, a whole firefight can end within 4 secs, but i'm just saying that the reload doesn't look right to me

[RedBaron]

I didn't mean that the reload was perfect as it was. Just that if any changes were made, anything below 0.5 sec would be better than a full on sec.

[CtrlAltDestroy]

Now that Zteam has acquired the source scripts for the campaign

CMT will receive no special treatment; they will have to wait for the scripts to be released as with the rest of the community. (Probably post-SPv2, unless they choose to wait)

[Roostervier]

Questions:
-Now that Zteam has acquired the source scripts for the campaign, will CMT play around with weapon customization (screw silencer onto SMG, attatch grenade launcher to BR) as was originally planned for Halo 2 Vista before the H2EK was found to be locked to most features? Or will time constraints and ammunition compatibility issues keep this barred out? Since it's not multiplayer, there shouldn't be any bugs that would aggravate gameplay.

-What is the status on the custom campaign level unveiled in the Christmas update?


First: you're going to do an analysis of a minute-long clip? What will you find that we don't know for ourselves?
Second: I didn't see any tracers, what do you mean?
Third: none of the AR's animation look like they're a full second long to begin with. Do you mean make the reload take longer?
The final reload will probably look more like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTjA7_Ur_LA) anyway.
First of all, Lag made those MA5C animations, and he spent quite a while on them. I think they are lolawesome. He may consider editing the reload, but it is up to him. Also, why make an analysis when we can answer or tell you most of what's in that video anyway(whoever mentioned that)? =p

[TrU7H]

i have no clue, it's like the collective info thread, it's there to help people, cept it's a alternative if people don't want to read things, but rather just watch them with audio, i have no friggin clue

[Dole]

First of all, Lag made those MA5C animations, and he spent quite a while on them. I think they are lolawesome. He may consider editing the reload, but it is up to him.
The melee and firing animations are perfect. The ready animation is almost perfect, but the butt of the rifle comes too far onto the screen. The reload is apparent, the origins are due to be tweeked, and the grenade throw is too fast.

[RedBaron]

I never liked the new fastball grenade throw animations... just looked weird in 1st person.

[Wizardman]

the ar looks like its made of spme sort of rubbery carbonized metal.

[mistercheif]

I dont mean to be bugging cmt :poke:, but when is the next vid/pics update?

[Archon23]

When they want to release more pics and videos. Thats when.

Honestly you people should know by now.

[Ralex123]

True, very true... I think the grenade was too loud, no offense, in SPv1, and the throw looked wrong too (again, no offense). As far as I can see, they need to tweak a bit more and then they should be able to finish. Right?

[teh lag]

I dont mean to be bugging cmt :poke:, but when is the next vid/pics update?

Jesus christ, we don't have pic or vid-worthy things every week. Not to mention that I'm sure you've got it through your mind that we don't set dates for things.

[thehoodedsmack]

Does everyone really want another video update? Because I'm off work today. If any of the CMT big-wigs want me to do anther one, just PM me and I'll see what I can do.

[mistercheif]

Maybe you could show us some brute/hunter action please.

[thehoodedsmack]

I'm actually not allowed to show you much Hunter stuff, but maybe some Brute stuff'll be in the video.

[mistercheif]

Ok thanks hoodedsmack, you have proven that you are the real slim shadey.

[teh lag]

Does everyone really want another video update? Because I'm off work today. If any of the CMT big-wigs want me to do anther one, just PM me and I'll see what I can do.


http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/1913/bigfuckinwigun1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

:v

[SonicMaster326]

LAWL. +rep

[ExAm]

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/1913/bigfuckinwigun1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

:vPlease! Must we judge people simply by the size of their wigs? For shame!

[Masterz1337]

No, we judge them by how many pounds of pubis they can shave.

[mistercheif]

wow, cmt surprises me alot these days.

[SonicMaster326]

This thread only continues to increase in strangeness...

[RedBaron]

This whole forum to be exact...

[SonicMaster326]

This whole forum to be exact...
Incredibly true...even though this is my third post I have been watching these forums for a loooooooooooong time. It used to be full of [WIP]'s and now it's full of [WTF]'s.

[bleach]

Keep waiting for the SPv2 to come out, I'm expecting it out the third week or fourth of August (15 - 21, 22 - 28).

[ICEE]

Thank you SIR.

im wondering, have any other weapons been OVERHAULED like the AR was?

[ExAm]

The Spiker, for one.

[RedBaron]

The brute shot also. It wasn't in SPv1, but it has been improved considerably from the brute shot that was in the old old multiplayer maps.

[CtrlAltDestroy]

The laser.

[keilg2]

The laser.

I'm guessing we probably weren't supposed to hear that :lol:

[Archon23]

^ Um. What?

[keilg2]

^ Um. What?

well as far as we know (before lags post) the Laser has not changed. unless you count that transition from the v1 maps to the v2 maps, which doesn't count because we are talking about what has changed from the v2 maps to SPv2.

[ExAm]

well as far as we know (before lags post) the Laser has not changed. unless you count that transition from the v1 maps to the v2 maps, which doesn't count because we are talking about what has changed from the v2 maps to SPv2.Then you haven't been paying attention (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SulmdVKeOvs) for the past few months.

[CtrlAltDestroy]

Uh, I posed a video quite a while ago.

[keilg2]

WOW that is AWESOME! and i could have sworn that i saw a "press 'E' to swap for (picture of a carbine) at least twice in that vid. is it running on the CMT SPv2 mod or just the regular campaign?

[Archon23]

That was a modified zteam campaign level so they could test the laser I think.

[ICEE]

omg keilg pay attention. seriously. i knew about lazer and spiker overhauls i just wasnt thinkin of em when i posted before

[Masterz1337]

WOW that is AWESOME! and i could have sworn that i saw a "press 'E' to swap for (picture of a carbine) at least twice in that vid. is it running on the CMT SPv2 mod or just the regular campaign?
why on earth would you be excited by the lamest gun in the world :-\

[mistercheif]

Because he is lame!!! (no offence)

[Archon23]

^

http://eddddie.googlepages.com/facepalm.jpg

[Dole]

One laugheth at the spelling that is thine [misterchief], young sir.

[mistercheif]

:D youth power man!


sorry for my spelling errors everyone.

[ICEE]

carbines rock. your crazy. in halo 2 i can pwn anyone with a carbine... but zteams carbines really suck combat wise

[RedBaron]

The carbine was probably the best covenant weapon in H2, you just had to know how to use it. 5 headshots will take a brute down on normal, and it has a high rate of fire.

And I was the first one to point out misterchief's horribly spelled name. LOL

[ICEE]

actually bungie's little character mistercheif is spelled wrong on purpose and thats obviously what he copied. DOH! also, the carbine could kill a brute in 2-3 if you have excellent aim

[mistercheif]

I no i type fast and i make alot of spelling mistakes.

[RedBaron]

You mean a lot.

Damn that pic of the asian is still distracting me. I would have no idea where archon would've gotten it...

[mistercheif]

told you i make a lot of spelling errors. But lets get back on topic here.

[Masterz1337]

Carbine was a rip off of the human BR, biggest rip off of any covie weapon. Well, except maybe the beam rifle. It performs no different than the BR, has the dumbest clip design, and doesn't even follow the normal established rules

[mistercheif]

I hate the design, but love it in combat, it always beats brs.

[Warsaw]

What were the normal established rules? Covenant have [relatively] short ranged (but powerful) weapons that fire on automatic only and the humans can attack from a distance using a variety of weapons?

[mistercheif]

stupid covie get better weapons ffs.

[n00b1n8R]

The carbine was probably the best covenant weapon in H2, you just had to know how to use it. 5 headshots will take a brute down on normal, and it has a high rate of fire.

And I was the first one to point out misterchief's horribly spelled name. LOL

beam riffles tbh :eyesroll:

also, I hardly ever go the bungie.net but I still know who mister chief is.. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mister_Chief)

[mistercheif]

I have 2 books and im sure his name is john 117, and no im sure it isnt johnson because johnson isnt 117. (excuse me if i am wrong, and if i cant spe11)

[Arteen]

Carbine was a rip off of the human BR, biggest rip off of any covie weapon. Well, except maybe the beam rifle. It performs no different than the BR, has the dumbest clip design, and doesn't even follow the normal established rules
If the carbine is in SPv2, you should make it battery-powered like every other covie energy weapon. I have no idea why Bungie gave it clips instead of battery.

[Warsaw]

Because it shoots radioactive bolts and not plasma or charged particles. it essentially uses the same ammunition as the Fuel Rod Cannon, on a much smaller scale.

[RedBaron]

Master chief's name is John 117. His co-workers call him Mr. 117.

It does state that MC's name is John in the books, but they never revealed any last names of any spartans. 117 was the spartan serial number that he was asigned to. UNSC isn't some communist party that asigns its personel with numbers as names.

[ICEE]

MASTERZ! the carbine is BETTER than a BR because it shoots faster, and is more reliable at a long range. who says the covenant have to have short ranged weapons? not bungie thats for sure. thats my gun there, i PWN anyone with it... i bet you just hate it cus you have no idea what to do with it. hehehehehehe

[n00b1n8R]

the BR is > the carbine.

it kills in 4 clicks as opposed to 5, and has a 3 shot spray to make head shot's easier :awesome:

[mistercheif]

no way the br takes around 5 head shots to kill, carbine takes more but it shoots faster. End of disscusion. Eny way... how many spike nades can you hold in sp-v2?

[Masterz1337]

MASTERZ! the carbine is BETTER than a BR because it shoots faster, and is more reliable at a long range. who says the covenant have to have short ranged weapons? not bungie thats for sure. thats my gun there, i PWN anyone with it... i bet you just hate it cus you have no idea what to do with it. hehehehehehe
I can use it fine, I've beat H2 on legendary. I also used it in the H3B a fair amount as well. In H2 MLG Players prefer the BR to the Carbine, so I don't think you are correct in it being the better weapon. The whole Idea it shoots actual projectiles is dumb too. What made H1's covie weapons so much fun is that they were not the same thing as a human weapon. And the clip, don't get me started about the clip. Why does it shoot into your face when it's depleted. I hate the whole concept of the gun, you'll never see the carbine in spv2, and you'll probably never see it in our h2 mods if we decide to use the engine.

Edit: Each spiker you see in the game has 4 nades included. However, if one of the spike nades have been "thrown" by the brute who was using, it, it will be missing that nade when you later pic the spiker up.

[Archon23]

Hey its it possible to do the "run out of BR or Spiker Nades switch back to frag/plasma"? I don't mind just using the BR or the Spiker but Id much rather have something when I run out of either.

[mistercheif]

and btw, how many spike nades can you hold 4?

[keilg2]

I hate the design, but love it in combat, it always beats brs.

I love everything about the carbine! :rape:

[bleach]

I prefer Battle Rifle over the Carbine, since its head shots are devastating and it has the grenade attachment. You wouldn't really expect the Carbine to have a Fuel Rod attachment, would you?
Are we going to be able to pick up ammo grenades for the Battle Rifle (BRG) and Spiker (Spike Grenades)?

[teh lag]

Mistercheif, I have just deleted alot of useless posts by you. Keep up this posting behavior and I'll get someone with warning powers involved.



Also, to answer your question...


and btw, how many spike nades can you hold 4?

Look a few posts above you.

[RedBaron]

^ I have no idea what the hell mistercheif is smoking... and why are you asking questions when you answer yourself right after?

Anyways, I said that the carbine was the best covie weapon. I still prefer the battle rifle, even though it was a pussy long range weapon that did very little damage. A 3 round burst from it did around the same damage as one shot from the carbine. The reason why I used the carbine more in the campaign was because bungie was a fucking idiot to only give us a max amount of 108 rounds to carry. WTF is 108? It's such a random number. And why did they even give us 108, when the AR use to have 600?! It doesn't make any sense. But still i liked the BR more than all the other weapons. But as I progressed through the game, it became increasing clear that you can't even find the 108 rounds that goes along with the ammo. So bungie only gave us 108 rounds and expected us to find human ammunition for it when raiding alien environments. Yeah thanks a lot bungie. So I was like fuck that, and started using the carbine instead, since ammo for that was everywhere as long as covenant was around, and they always are. Sure theres a lot of BR rounds when you come across flood, but all human weapons are shit against them.

[Archon23]

Shotguns are shit against flood? Thats a new one.........

[Huero]

Wrong, all Covenant weapons are shit against them. Except explosives and the Carbine if you get headshots. Human weapons are great.
I like the Carbine; ammo count, plus I just find it more fun, for some reason.
Look at the page number :D

[RedBaron]

Except for the shotgun. Not that its even needed anymore when you have the sword, and bruteshot. The sword also sucked since it only lasts for 5 secs, and its way overkill, I would rather exchange the extra damage done by it for more energy life. However, the bruteshot is the "infinite sword". The byonet can kill most flood with one hit and it has unlimited use. I was carrying the brute shot long after I ran out of ammo for it. So yeah, the shotgun really has no use anymore when against flood when you are inevitably going to run out of ammo for that too. And we all know how hard it is to find more...

And covie weapons aren't shit against flood. I guess you havent tried using the plasma rifle or plasma pistol. It's a lot more ammo eficient than pumping a whole magazine into a single enemy. And sometimes those enemies get back up.

[Huero]

The sword is your lifeline on the gondola.
Thank God there are so many, give it to all of your allies and it's amazingly effective.
Besides, the sword is more fun.

[teh lag]

Enough with the weapons argument - don't clutter up this thread with it. You're more than welcome to do it somewhere else.

[UrKungFuSux]

So.... Are we going to get anything like a release date, or a new vid of a beta.... Sorry... I get extremely excited. =D

[Archon23]

Can we please get a sticky with the title reading: DO NOT ASK FOR RELEASE DATES OR VIDEOS/PICS!

Because this is just getting ridiculous.

[RedBaron]

It's always the noobs who don't bother reading around before posting...

[mewarmo990]

I don't know if the following have been answered, but:

Will the Hunter fuel rod "beam" still be wieldable? (pls pls pls pls pls pls pls yes)

[ICEE]

i believe there is a sticky saying that NO SWORDS WILL BE WIELDABLE, as for the beam idk. id suggest editing your post before the flames rain from the sky, most of them from teh lag

[Masterz1337]

Take him to the gallows.

[teh lag]

id suggest editing your post before the flames rain from the sky, most of them from teh lag

Oh sweet, I can make the sky rain fire now!


http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/5176/rainoffireef9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Masterz1337]

use a WPS silly. :-p

[ICEE]

Oh sweet, I can make the sky rain fire now!


http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/5176/rainoffireef9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Nice. if i hadnt just repped you, id rep you for this one

[TrU7H]

huh........apparently archon was right, there ARE people who are legally blind...

[Archon23]

You know Id love to sticky the entire page with threads that state the answer to those common nooby questions so the front page disappears and then have a secret link somewhere on the page that leads to the real forums =D.

If anything It'll just stop the noobs from visiting these forums from sheer frustration............but then again they'd probably post the questions in the CE section. ARGH. I don't think we'll ever win against the idiots of the world.

[Warsaw]

Especially when you consider that two-thirds of the population is made up of idiots.

[TrU7H]

ok....in a attempt to bring this thread back on subject, about the brute shots and spikers(i already searched for the answers to these questions, didn't find the answers), 1) will the spiker be reloaded from the top like on the MP maps or from the bottom like in the h3b? 2) will the bruteshot have 6 nades in a clip or 4? (the ingame screenshots that teh lag took was a long time ago,even before the delay of SPv2, wondering if it changed)

[Archon23]

Probably the bottom most likely as they made the spiker when they really only had concept shots and had no way to actually see how it actually worked if I'm not mistaken. (Same with the Splazer)

[TrU7H]

ok, now i just need the answer for the brute shot, btw, archon, answer your AIM damn it

[Dole]

CMT will receive no special treatment; they will have to wait for the scripts to be released as with the rest of the community. (Probably post-SPv2, unless they choose to wait)
How else then will they fix the AI grenade-throwing issue?
And if CMT has the source scripts for some levels, the SIII's would be able to toggle camo as they advance through the map.

[CtrlAltDestroy]

1. Grenade throwing was figured out not to be a script problem.
2. No, they can't. Once you activate camouflage on a unit (with a script), you cannot revert it.

Even if they could do such and such and fix this and that with scripts, that doesn't mean we are obliged to hand over the scripts to them just because they're CMT.

[mewarmo990]

Fine, I missed the sticky "like the noob I am", but will we still be able to pick up the Hunter fuel rod beam?

[Ralex123]

I hope so, I liked using it against Elites, and just for fun.

[KntTader]

Fine, I missed the sticky "like the noob I am", but will we still be able to pick up the Hunter fuel rod beam?

Ya I think we probably will be able to use the hunter fuel rod weaps including the one on the spec ops hunters (AKA the black ones).

[TrU7H]

and if we can't, big deal, we got tons of other cool new weapons to play with

[Edward Elrich]

and grenades, since CMT got the spike one to work. (don't believe me? just look at the most recent pics and look closely at the grenade HUD.)

[Vernancelet]

Whoot! Cant wait for the maps to come out! :D

[Wizardman]

i cant wait niether, oh and i just found a covenant engineer biped on a map called battlecanyon_final, it would be cool if that was in it, and the flood juggernaut. but who really gives a shit. Anyway it should be super 1337 uber fun.

[ICEE]

the engineer cant be in it because the brutes are. apparently, cmt brutes replace engineers shaders or something

[CtrlAltDestroy]

Collision materials. Shaders have nothing to do with it.

[ICEE]

yeah... same diff. i knew it was around there somewhere not really same diff

[CabooseJr]

The new assault rifle is sechs slamming you in the face.

[DrunkenSamus]

I just want the SMG to have better melee animations. The ones in Spv1 were terrible, it looked like as if you were quickly lowering your weapon.

[TrU7H]

yea that's what i thought too

[ICEE]

the new smg ones arent much better, you just lower it, but a little more to the right

[DrunkenSamus]

They probably changed it by now...I hope. The H2 melee was great, it looked like a total nosebleed smack.

[ExAm]

I like flyinrooster's interpretation best. You could bash someone's face in with that.

[supersniper]

What are you guys talking about (now starting an argument)??
The SMG animations were awesome it was so fast that you could double meele. Plus it was original it doesn't have to be some crazy amazing animation like the old AR. Plus it was more realistic I mean come if your in MC's position would you do a fast quit melee or a sweet artistic one....

[Archon23]

I don't think it looks practical really either. I mean he raises it and brings it down. It doesn't really look like hes actually aiming for the enemy either too. But thats just my opinion......

[AAA]

well, unless, during the melee, the SMG's butt of the gun raised forward a little more then it would look like a nose bleeder.

[RedBaron]

The gun should be angled upwards more so that it looks like MC is hitting people by bringing down his forearm, kinda like a backhand, but with the bottom of a closed fist. The speed and damage should remain the same. The way it was in SPv1 didn't look like it had any power behind the blow, since it was just bringing down the bottom side of the silencer onto someone's head with a short weird swinging motion. I didn't really care though since I barely used the SMG in SPv1, since the silencer turned me off. I will use the un-silenced one though...

[DrunkenSamus]

What I'm saying is that most of the SPV1 melees looked like they didnt hurt at all. I don't want it to be an uber artistic one. Look at the SMG, PP, and PR. And how were the SMG animations awesome? The melee was basically lowering your gun down then bringing it back down. I don't see how an elite can bleed uncontrollably by just lowering your SMG...

[supersniper]

The SMG was the Hunter hunter. Personally one full load of it will take it down. And it doesn't matter if the butt is in the air or not. Come on the melee is perfect. It is more of a hammer strike than a backhand because he brings his hand up then down with great force and speed. So in reality that animations is down right sexy. You guys just want everything to be done with fancy motions. Let that gun be different.

[DrunkenSamus]

Are you talking about the spv1 or multiplayer melee?

[supersniper]

SPv1 Melee.

[DrunkenSamus]

Dude...how can you say that? The melee was absolutely not perfect. Far from it. Great force and speed? It didn't even look like it hurt at all! Either I'm drunk or you just don't know what a great melee looks like!

[supersniper]

Well I like it and to me its amazing.

[ICEE]

WOW ok you guys misinterpret each other,

FANCY= bungie's halo 1 pistol animations(aka retarded)
PRACTICAL= CMT/Zteam's shotgun animation, (badass smack in teh face)
IMPRACTICAL= CMT spv1 smg, plasma pistol, plasma rifle. and heres WHY


smg: you quickly lower the weapon. sure, its effective if your enemy is suckin your cock, but not if theyre attacking you from the front.

plasma rifle: same as above

plasma pistol: looked cool, but it was a SLOW punch. and a badly aimed punch at that.



NOTE: im not trying to offend the animator. the animations were good, but not realistic, and have since then MUCH improved.

[DrunkenSamus]

The current melees are better though. The Multiplayer maps were an improvement even though the plasma pistol was the same. But thats a couple months old and I'm sure its been changed.

[AAA]

y'know what?? What if the Silenced SMG and the SMG had different Melees?

Silenced SMG: Would do a strong jab. With a slight pull back of the arm and than a spontanious force with the barrel to the designated target.

SMG: Would be sort of a strong "Jack-'em-up" move by moving the gun to the upper left to the lower right like a slash with the gun's handle OR it could do that, and stop half way on the gun's way back and strike like CMT's Pistol Melee. Therefore, it would look a tad more critical.

That sounds kickass...

[DrunkenSamus]

I liked the chaingun's melee. There was a sound of beer bottles rattling around. Or in this case it would be fuel canisters.

[ICEE]

beer bottles are just as fun though. well actually, ive never used a chaingun in reality so im not sure

[DrunkenSamus]

...You think anybody on these forums have?

[ICEE]

maybe. some of the halo ce players are such weapon fanatics that they could possibly have used a chaingun.

[Archon23]

The biggest gun I've ever used was a .223 rifle......I really don't know where you would go to try out a chaingun though.......

[ICEE]

lol... my grandpas house for one... lol

[ExAm]

WOW ok you guys misinterpret each other,

FANCY= bungie's halo 1 pistol animations(aka retarded)
PRACTICAL= CMT/Zteam's shotgun animation, (badass smack in teh face)
IMPRACTICAL= CMT spv1 smg, plasma pistol, plasma rifle. and heres WHY


smg: you quickly lower the weapon. sure, its effective if your enemy is suckin your cock, but not if theyre attacking you from the front.

plasma rifle: same as above

plasma pistol: looked cool, but it was a SLOW punch. and a badly aimed punch at that.



NOTE: im not trying to offend the animator. the animations were good, but not realistic, and have since then MUCH improved.If you want to see slow punches, go play Marathon.

[AAA]

lol... my grandpas house for one... lol

:lmao:

On another subject: Why would Samus start off on a damn chaingun. Completely went off subject...possibly happened because......he was drunk, mb? So yeah, we know there's no chaingun in Halo CE created yet.

[FRain]

:lmao:

On another subject: Why would Samus start off on a damn chaingun. Completely went off subject...possibly happened because......he was drunk, mb? So yeah, we know there's no chaingun in Halo CE created yet.

Yeah, because there's no chaingun in SPV1. :fail:

[RedBaron]

Why isn't the porta turret getting any love? I would actually prefer that over the chaingun, and it might even have infinite ammo... At any rate, those two guns are the same to me.

[Roostervier]

I like flyinrooster's interpretation best. You could bash someone's face in with that.
Yeah, I got that from my dad. I had asked him what they showed him in the Marine Corps, and thats similar to what he showed me. It allows for hitting multiple times =p. Anyway, I quite liked it myself. I am going to reanimate the smg, and I will try and get them that way again.

[edit] For those who don't know, he was referring to this animation:

http://mpbadmin.byethost3.com/files/flyinrooster/files/avi/smg_melee.avi

(copy link location and paste it yourself, or else.)

Those were the older version, as I had taken the very beginning out, smoothed it some, fixed the weird end, and made a few more changes, but that is the gist of it.

[Ralex123]

I want the portable chaingun. It will be awesome.

[Dole]

I want the portable chaingun. It will be awesome.
Unless you can concoct a system of statistics and potencies that would distinguish it from being a carbon-copy of the Machine Gun, there isn't much of a reason to have it.


1. I am going to reanimate the smg, and I will try and get them that way again.

2. (copy link location and paste it yourself, or else.)

3. Those were the older version, as I had taken the very beginning out, smoothed it some, fixed the weird end, and made a few more changes, but that is the gist of it.
1. I liked the concept behind SPv1's reload; it was original, it can potentially look great, and it makes sense. Yes, the reload itself was rather drab quality, but I liked that the receiver of the magazine wasn't dispensed and that the magazine actually had something to clip into rather than simply onto.

The anims in MP were merely a take on the H2 reload... they were good quality, yes (except the empty chamber reload looked a little flimsy), but if the idea behind SPv1's reload was revisited I'd just be the happiest little 6'4" boy in the world.

2. *Preferably in Microsoft Word. OR ELSE.

3. So essentially, it'll turn out like the original AR melee?


Also concerning the SMG, add detail to the model... PLEASE. It has the potential to look as good as Snaf's Mac, but right now it just looks like someone gathered a pile of dog turd and molded a machine pistol out of it.

[ExAm]

Unless you can concoct a system of statistics and potencies that would distinguish it from being a carbon-copy of the Machine Gun, there isn't much of a reason to have it.


1. I liked the concept behind SPv1's reload; it was original, it can potentially look great, and it makes sense. Yes, the reload itself was rather drab quality, but I liked that the receiver of the magazine wasn't dispensed and that the magazine actually had something to clip into rather than simply onto.

The anims in MP were merely a take on the H2 reload... they were good quality, yes (except the empty chamber reload looked a little flimsy), but if the idea behind SPv1's reload was revisited I'd just be the happiest little 6'4" boy in the world.

2. *Preferably in Microsoft Word. OR ELSE.

3. So essentially, it'll turn out like the original AR melee?


Also concerning the SMG, add detail to the model... PLEASE. It has the potential to look as good as Snaf's Mac, but right now it just looks like someone gathered a pile of dog turd and molded a machine pistol out of it.
Did he say he made the model? I saw that nowhere.

[Dole]

No, that was just kind of an off-topic request. I hate that model with a burning passion. It's skin and shaders don't help much, either.

[DaneO'Roo]

^^^^^^^^^

[Masterz1337]

The gun is ancient. It's from September 2004.

[ICEE]

how does the new one look?

[supersniper]

Better than the old one. DUH

[Masterz1337]

There is no new one.

[Roostervier]

Meh, I find the melee similar to the Assault Rifle's, but not quite like it. This one focuses on hitting up left more than just left. But it's however you view it. Anyway, I am planning to give it Halo 3 like animations. I won't attempt to copy it exactly, but I will imitate the style.

[Dole]

This one focuses on hitting up left more than just left.
That's actually how I pictured the H3 AR melee to be before Bungie released the Public Beta. I thought it was going to be kind of a cross between the two Shotgun melees, but it ended up just being modified BR anims.

[Ralex123]

Sorry Dole, my mistake. I meant the chaingun like in Halo 3. You can mount it, then unmount and carry it, like Masters explained in the Field Guide.

[FRain]

Meh, I find the melee similar to the Assault Rifle's, but not quite like it. This one focuses on hitting up left more than just left. But it's however you view it. Anyway, I am planning to give it Halo 3 like animations. I won't attempt to copy it exactly, but I will imitate the style.


Actually if you can export h2 IK models then I can give you the whole sha-bang. I can't seem to get it to work. :X.

[Dole]

Sorry Dole, my mistake. I meant the chaingun like in Halo 3. You can mount it, then unmount and carry it, like Masters explained in the Field Guide.
You don't have to apoligize for anything. :P

But to let you know, the Machine Gun currently uses that system that is described there: pick up collapsed turret --> setup the tripod --> mount the gun emplacement or destroy the stand --> pick up the remaining gun as a handheld weapon

Given, a Chaingun could replace the Machine Gun outright, but work on the Machine Gun began over a year ago; it shaped up to be a great piece of work and it would be a shame to deprive such a piece of content of use, especially considering it it wasn't in the release candidates.

[FRain]

^ Thats awesome....

[ExAm]

Gatling guns, or any type of rotary gun, are not chain guns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaingun#Chaingun_differences_from_Gatling_guns). I wish more people knew this :/

[Archon23]

Its just sorta imbeded into people that Gatling Gun=Chain Gun.

In my opinion Gatling Gun sounds much more badass.

[Warsaw]

Gatling guns lack the rattling chain noise...it's just a loud buzzing sound coupled with scraping gears.

[TrU7H]

for CMT: think you guys can finish SPv2 in 2 weeks? (give or take 2-3 days)

[CtrlAltDestroy]

No.