Modacity Halo CE Servers

[Rainbow Dash]

Let's keep the shitty cosmetics out of halo, thanks.

[jcap]

So I think I'll be able to launch the new Halo servers in another two or three weeks from today. However, the new game servers are totally dependent on how soon the office moves and I get to set up the new network. Since the new game servers will be the "old" servers, I can't set anything up until I replace the old servers with new servers and set up Halo on the old ones. The timeframe is just a mess right now and it seems that nothing can work on schedule. The construction was supposed to be finished by June 1st, but it's not complete yet. Comcast says it can take up to 4 weeks to set up. Verizon said they would get back to us about FiOS availability but they haven't. And then there's travel schedules...

Anyway, I'm thinking of starting a BUNGHOLE series of servers again. We can bring back our "clan" with flaming armor.

Suggest [B]STOCK MAPS and custom gametype combos.

[TPBlinD]

12 man small map server running team slayer. Chill out, damnation, rat race only.

[Cagerrin]

Prisoner over Chill Out, but yeah. Plus Chiron on MAG?

[NullZero]

12 man small map server running team slayer. Chill out, damnation, rat race only.

This. I enjoy small maps. Throw in the odd big map. And put wtc3 on and some of the HCEL 2007 maps on.

[p0lar_bear]

Bring back the Most Annoying Gametype on Chiron.

[TPBlinD]

Prisoner over Chill Out, but yeah. Plus Chiron on MAG?
? no.
But Chiron yes.

[mech]

Good slayer and team slayer gametypes on carousel, chill out, wizard

danger canyon , ice fields, bg ctf

Customs

snow grove
wartorn cov3
camtrack arena
fissure fall
No remorse
quagmire

[TeeKup]

quagmire

I cannot stress how much this needs to happen, Cliffhanger can be fun too.

[TPBlinD]

FROST!

[Rainbow Dash]

If you guys will actually fucking play them regularly I'm sure jcap will be happy to oblidge!

[JackalStomper]

I play on the Modacity servers whenever I get on Halo, which is usually a few times a week.

Canyon ctf already handles DC, IF, SW, and BG ctf so no need to modify the other servers for them.

Custom server should have a maplist, but not something huge. Just maps that are common to have and stay true to halo's original gameplay:
Snowtorn Cove
Immure (with no wasps)
Anxiety

[p0lar_bear]

I play on the Modacity servers whenever I get on Halo, which is usually a few times a week.

Canyon ctf already handles DC, IF, SW, and BG ctf so no need to modify the other servers for them.

Custom server should have a maplist, but not something huge. Just maps that are common to have and stay true to halo's original gameplay.
Snowtorn Grove
Immure (with no wasps)
Anxiety

I know you meant Snowtorn Cove, but I'm also for Grove. I know Wartorn has a special place in the hearts of any oldfag, but Grove manages to keep the same layout while looking pretter. I'm not talking about map geometry in itself, I'm just saying I get enough yellow sand and red cliffs playing Gulch... the color palette is easier on the eyes.

[JackalStomper]

Oops, thanks for pointing that out

[TPBlinD]

Schwinnz is the only map that needs to be played ever, actually.

[jcap]

Hey, we already have custom maps down if you guys want a custom server, but the custom server accounts for only 1 of the 7 I'm planning.

We need to set up the others with stock maps. So far I'm down for the small map slayer server.

Don't be afraid to suggest gametypes that you may not personally like, but other less-skilled players may play.

[JackalStomper]

Noob gametypes?

Oddball Rockets on Wizard
No shield Shotgun CTF on Beaver Creek
King of the Hill on Rat Race with infinite grenades

Mix and match these ideas with other maps/gametypes for maximum casual enjoyment.

[p0lar_bear]

Rockets.
Prisoner.

DO EET.

[Cortexian]

http://cache.www.gametracker.com/server_info/68.147.150.145:2302/b_160_400_1_ffffff_c5c5c5_ffffff_000000_1_1_0.png (http://www.gametracker.com/server_info/68.147.150.145:2302/) http://cache.www.gametracker.com/server_info/68.147.150.145:2304/b_160_400_1_ffffff_c5c5c5_ffffff_000000_1_1_0.png (http://www.gametracker.com/server_info/68.147.150.145:2304/)

These are mine now that I've got a decent upload speed. Not sure if I'll be able to run two effectively but I plan to make the second a zombies server eventually.

[martinintenerife]

osito malo Busted for aimbotting on Modacity - CANYON CTF

I know you guys don't really care about botters anymore, but here it is anyway...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V232vu1aiaE&hd=1

[Cortexian]

We still perma-ban people for cheating, just keep all reports in this thread.

[martinintenerife]

O.k., can you post his CD Hash for me to put on the YouTube page?

[jcap]

osito malo,4d96d1786eb74a6b9b324c55963758a1,1,--

[jcap]

Hey guys, come check out the Modacity - DOGFIGHT (http://hce.halomaps.org/server/?IP=173.61.93.94&Port=2007) server some time. This is some cool shit.

Whoever said Halo Custom Edition was for custom maps only? :realsmug:

Really though, no joke - this is sweet. It's more than just the usual banshees on DI. This basically makes up for one chunk of the many Reach was missing.

[Cortexian]

Very cool!

[flamewheel06]

what server app are you guys using on modacity servers.

[Cortexian]

It's a custom app that's not released to the public. Yet.

[flamewheel06]

ohk i was just wondering cuz it seems very stable.
the SAPP i have made by sehe crashes my server every few hours giving everyone network connection lost.

[Rainbow Dash]

I like the new server names :)

[king_nothing_]

A few things:

Turn off tracking on all your gametypes.
Make a ghost-less gametype for Danger Canyon.

[jcap]

What do you mean by tracking? I'm not sure what it means, so please explain.

What's wrong with ghosts on that map? :-/

[king_nothing_]

I meant radar.

As for the ghosts on DC, they can easily be used to glitch through the wall to the opposing base. Fairly common knowledge.

[STLRamsFan]

Completely forgot about that glitch, don't know why that was never fixed... Just like the invisible wall. :|

[jcap]

That glitch is actually impossible to do on the Modacity servers...

If you can get a video of you doing the glitch, I'll believe it.

[TPBlinD]

Me and king were in the server yesterday and someone did it

[king_nothing_]

Also, why is "CUSTOM HIVE" always on immure? :smith:

[jcap]

pussies afraid of change

[mech]

Immure bugs me. Put wtc3 on it :mech2:

[king_nothing_]

Pleeeeeeeease turn radar off.

[Cortexian]

Pleeeeeeeease turn radar off.
Friendly Only how bout?

[Rainbow Dash]

No, leave it as is.

[king_nothing_]

Are you kidding? Radar fucking sucks. It makes it impossible to be sneaky. It makes complete retards decent at defending because they always know when you're there.

[Rainbow Dash]

Well considering they're piss easy to roll as is, whatever makes them more of a challenge is ok by me!

[jcap]

I think most of the players are too dumb to know what the red blips are in the radar anyway... As Sel said, it's piss easy to own the players already, and you can use the radar to your advantage.

[king_nothing_]

Oh, they know. Go try to cap on Ice Fields by yourself in a full server with the radar on and the respawn at five seconds. It's retarded.

Also, what exactly is fun about radar on DC? People continuously lobbing grenades around corners in little tunnels because they know exactly where everybody in their vicinity is? Come on.

[TPBlinD]

Leading plasma grenades via the radar is awesome imo

[greatimpact]

list of user ips who were banned for aimbotting/hacking

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cYuWjXAgiql2iSeIRc9f8mMMdKpK53JWj51vQkfjwWE/edit?hl=en_US&pli=1 (http://tiny.cc/axtnx)

list of user cd-key hash banned for aimbotting/hacking
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[url]https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LI1mKwmLUrZGG96HFAvX68wdLaUWZ32ULrWgoKOz5Os/edit?hl=en_US (http://tiny.cc/eefy4)

[JackalStomper]

The motion tracker can definately be annoying in maps like Danger Canyon. But you can blame that more on gearbox's terrible map design more than anything else. It's been a godsend to me ever since I switched to W7, because now I can't hear vehicle engines until they're more or less running me over.


Oh, they know. Go try to cap on Ice Fields by yourself in a full server with the radar on and the respawn at five seconds. It's retarded.

CTF is a game where you run into the base and drive away with the flag in a vehicle CTF is a TEAM GAME.

[Amit]

Oh, they know. Go try to cap on Ice Fields by yourself in a full server with the radar on and the respawn at five seconds. It's retarded.

That's your problem right there. Capping the flag by yourself on any large map is retarded except for Blood Gulch and Sidewinder.

[king_nothing_]

It must not be too terribly retarded because I do it successfully fairly often. Obviously I'm not always entirely "by myself", since there are often people on my team in the vicinity which serve, if nothing else, as a distraction. When I say "by myself", I basically mean that I'm usually not devising plans or coordinating capping strategies with teammates, since 95% of the people playing are way too terrible to make that worthwhile.

All that aside though, radar is just extremely cheap and I can't stand it. It renders the concept of sneakiness completely moot.

[TPBlinD]

this isn't people in scrims.. this is a pub server with idiots that lob 10 grenades if they see a red blip on the radar lol

[jcap]

Should the max number of each grenade you can carry be reduced to 2 from 4?

[JackalStomper]

yes

[Amit]

All that aside though, radar is just extremely cheap and I can't stand it. It renders the concept of sneakiness completely moot.

Halo is an action shooter. You're not supposed to be sneaky.

[TPBlinD]

Should the max number of each grenade you can carry be reduced to 2 from 4?
just turn off starting grenades.

[JackalStomper]

just turn off starting grenades.

Bad idea, vehicles would murder you.

[jcap]

I'm thinking of doing like the Death Island server...

1 plasma
1 frag

But then the limit of each is 2 (or 3, depends on how it plays out).

[JackalStomper]

I like

[TPBlinD]

Bad idea, vehicles would murder you.You clearly don't know how to play halo.

[mech]

Halo is an action shooter. You're not supposed to be sneaky.

What?

[t3h m00kz]

death island <3

I suggest keeping shees off

[Arteen]

Halo is an action shooter. You're not supposed to be sneaky.
What?

[Amit]

What?


What?

True story. This isn't Ghost Recon or Rainbow Six.

[Pooky]

I never had a problem with the motion tracker personally. Yes, everybody can see you, but you can see them too so it evens out. If you're trying to be sneaky, you can stop moving whenever someone appears on your radar. Most of them will see the red dot disappear and forget you ever existed.

[Cortexian]

How about you look into adjusting the speed at which radar detects movement. I'm not sure if it's doable server-side but it would be neat if I could crouch and avoid detection.

[jcap]

Yeah I was wondering about that too, but I am pretty sure that radar is client-sided. Crouch speed may be able to be modified server-side though.

[TPBlinD]

Halo is an action shooter. You're not supposed to be sneaky.someones bad at video games lol

[p0lar_bear]

It's a value in either the unit_hud_interface tag or the hud_globals tag. I forget which but I changed it so it wouldn't pick up people crouch-walking for the most part in my Halo 2 HUD.

[Amit]

someones bad at video games lol

Halo is an action shooter, so why are you saying I'm bad at video games?

[king_nothing_]

If you seriously think there is no place for stealthiness whatsoever in Halo multiplayer, then you aren't very good at Halo multiplayer.

[t3h m00kz]

If you seriously think there is no place for stealthiness whatsoever in Halo multiplayer, then you aren't very good at Halo multiplayer.

.

[Amit]

Don't put words in my mouth. Halo isn't made for stealth, but it does serve its purpose most of the time. Blaming your stealth issues on the motion tracker is a pretty poor reflection of your skill. I combine stealth and the motion tracker to confuse my enemies because I know they will always see me on it if I'm moving. Of course this isn't always going to work on some of the maps where the enemy base is pretty much a hostile island where they can see you coming from hundreds of meters away (e.g. Blood Gulch, Infinity, etc.). Active camouflage works particularly well on those maps to add to your stealth, though.

It makes the game more challenging when you know they can see you if they are looking at the motion tracker. But since you should always assume this, it shouldn't come as a surprise that stealth doesn't work all that great in this game.

I wish it was more like Halo 2 where they can't see you if you're moving while crouched, but that is not the case with H1, so deal with it.

[t3h m00kz]

Unreal makes halo look like MGS. Just saying

[Amit]

That is true, but you can't say that stealth has a huge impact in this game. It doesn't. Not with all those crazy people running across every corner of the map.

[Cortexian]

If you can't adjust the motion tracker detection speed, maybe you can make crouching slower. If you crouch and tap the movement keys you can move without the motion tracked lighting up. You have to just tap though, and if you hold forward to long you'll light up, defeating the purpose.

[jcap]

If you can't adjust the motion tracker detection speed, maybe you can make crouching slower. If you crouch and tap the movement keys you can move without the motion tracked lighting up. You have to just tap though, and if you hold forward to long you'll light up, defeating the purpose.
Yeah, that's what I suggested a few posts back. I think it's a viable solution so it's not a PITA to be sneaky, but it's important that our members don't feel like they are crouching too slow.

[TPBlinD]

That is true, but you can't say that stealth has a huge impact in this game. It doesn't. Not with all those crazy people running across every corner of the map.Stealth has a huge impact on the game lol... you should listen to king and I, we're kind of amazing at this game bro.

[Higuy]

lol what Amit? There are plenty, PLENTY of opportunites to be sneaky in Halo, and some of them can really help you win. The game isn't just about giant assaults in tanks or storming beach's with an assault rifle blazing. Hell, theres even a stealth mission in the campaign.

[Amit]

I'm talking multiplayer here, people. Stealth was pretty much always the path I pursued in campaign, though.

[Higuy]

I know, but alot of the same themes and tactics can easily be applied and be just as useful.

[Amit]

In limited situations.

[Cortexian]

Not really, no.

Every time I play I use stealth to my advantage.

[king_nothing_]

Just played a 1v1 match on Chill Out vs. a pretty good player. Used location deception and the like quite a bit since radar was off. It was a lot more fun than having my location known any time I'm moving by way of a red fucking dot on the opponent's screen.

The end.

[TPBlinD]

getting shot < not getting shot
/thread

[Amit]

1 v 1 should always have the motion tracker turned off. Team games it should be on for convenience.

[king_nothing_]

Oh come on. Convenience? Why don't we then just set all games to 50% health and no shields for the convenience of killing people faster and with less effort? Radar waters the game down, plain and simple.

[Amit]

Radar waters the game down, plain and simple.

That's your opinion.

[mech]

Stealthiness is a testament to ones ability to truly beast at halo. I've, on multiple occasions cattle prodded whole teams just by position deception. If you brush it off as something minor, you're probably not good at this game; however, this is just my opinion. I could take multiple targets straight up with guns blazing no problem, but it's more rewarding to take someone by surprise. As you compete with more skilled players in clan matches you must be stealthy in most situations, running and gunning won't cut it, unless you're a slayer boss like me :realsmug:. Halo has all sorts of tricks you can use to be devious and take out your enemy, and to say their use is only confined to limited situations is kind of asinine. But once again, this is just my opinion.

[justin108]

Oh come on. Convenience? Why don't we then just set all games to 50% health and no shields for the convenience of killing people faster and with less effort? Radar waters the game down, plain and simple.

Agreed 100% radar is useless whether 1v1 or 8v8, learn to listen and pick better spots to hide/shoot from. I pretty much left servers if radar was on, but not before using it to rape and then get bored. It is no fun when you know where everyone is.

If folks need radar especially for 1v1, I bet they are dueling on Bloodgulch :(

[TPBlinD]

Okay.
The difference between the truly good people and the baddies is that the good people not only know how to shoot, but they know how to outsmart everyone else. thats why botters are fucking terrible, sure they can lock on but they're dumb as fuck with strategy. Radar makes it too easy for dumb kids to just spam grenades when they see that red dot. Zzz, people need to learn to play

[Donut]

i know we're talking about halo pc here, but when i used to play reach a lot, id spend probably about 70% of my time near enemies under the radar. crouch walking around and stuff. when i played swat, i averaged 3 assassinations per game by watching where people were going and getting behind them. i very rarely got caught off guard. now in vanilla ce, its hard to move under the radar since crouch walking is still fast enough to be picked up (and yeah, i know we discussed this a page or so back), so when the radar is on, its more about tricking people with your dot. i dont usually mind radar on or off though, except when i make my way to the other side of the map in the enemy's base, and THEN notice the radar is on. thats a tad irritating, but other than that, stopping and waiting for red dots to clear your radar when youre sneaking around usually works for me.

E: i will never forget the one game of living dead i played in reach back when zombies still had active camo. it was on that halo 2 ascension remake. the humans were holed up in that tower with the turret in halo 2, and i was trying to sneak into their base, but as you know, zombies have radar dots permanently on. they had guys camping the stairs on every corner with shotguns watching their radars, so i got under the ramp, turned on active camo, and just sat there while my team mates moved in under the cover of the radar jammer effect. i think one zombie got shot, and all the humans got taken out.

thats a testament to both how whored the radar is and how bad some people are without it.

[Amit]

Hmm, okay well if you guys feels that strongly about stealth in Halo PC, then there has to be a bit more merit to it than what I thought. I dunno, it's just that I've played since 2004 and I haven't seen many useful applications of stealth yet. Probably because I've barely ever played with the Modacity crowd. I guess pretty much everyone else just does their own thing.

[Pooky]

It helps to play with people that are actually good. Playing with Gulch noobs I'd often just walk straight across the map, park myself on top of their base and spawn kill them repeatedly for the rest of the game.

[Amit]

Well it doesn't look like anyone else plays the game anymore...

They just re-install it to play CMT campaigns.

[TPBlinD]

It helps to play with people that are actually good. Playing with Gulch noobs I'd often just walk straight across the map, park myself on top of their base and spawn kill them repeatedly for the rest of the game.this does not work.

[Pooky]

this does not work.

it does against complete retards

back in the days of Halo Trial and early PC I'd just stand on top of their base and kill everything that moved, they were too slow to react in time. Nade people trying to get in hogs, assasinate people as they spawned, and keep grabbing the ammo and health.

[TPBlinD]

it does against complete retards

back in the days of Halo Trial and early PC I'd just stand on top of their base and kill everything that moved, they were too slow to react in time. Nade people trying to get in hogs, assasinate people as they spawned, and keep grabbing the ammo and health.lol? retards start with two frags. you can get away with camping on top of bases for a few minutes but eventually theyre just gonna start spamming. l2halo

[Amit]

Yeah, people aren't as retarded anymore.

[Pooky]

lol? retards start with two frags. you can get away with camping on top of bases for a few minutes but eventually theyre just gonna start spamming. l2halo

I don't think you comprehend just how retarded and slow some people are

frags aren't an issue when they can't throw for shit and you keep grabbing the respawning health

and it's not like I'm alone on the map, my teammates are around distracting them as well. You don't believe me that's your problem, but it happened. It's even easier if you have a fuel rod.

[Amit]

I can't find any classic Bloodgulch CTF servers that allow the use of flamers or fuel rod anymore. Oh well, probably less headache to deal with, but the weapon repertoire feels smaller without big green blobs flying across the map.

[Pooky]

Gulch is one of the few maps the fuel rod sort of worked on, IMO. Not for gay spamming, but for lobbing those bitches across the map at people.

[Amit]

Yeah I remember being behind blue team base and I'd fire off shots until they hit red base area. I'd get somebody else to confirm the hit location lol. Red team was not pleased.

[Pooky]

The FRG would have been so much better if it had a 'windup' charge like the Spartan Laser. Which is basically how it worked in Campaign already.

[Cortexian]

I can still walk straight across BG and sit on top of the enemies base and rape... I do it almost all the time in the Modacity servers and my server when I'm the only decent player on. Even when they start spamming grenades they usually throw them so terribly that they kill themselves more than they damage me. I can sit on a base for like 5 minutes at a time before I get myself into a situation and die because I was to greedy for kills.

[Pooky]

From what I played of the Modacity servers, those guys are about as bad as Halo Trial players were. So I can believe it.

[JackalStomper]

Do it with a ghost, killtacular spam inbound

[TVTyrant]

All about Pistol Hill.

[Amit]

Can SeanAero's HaloRank server app run side-by-side with Modacity's current server application? I'd like to have my stats recorded.

[jcap]

How do you get it? How does it install? If it doesn't run in its own windowed process, I'll do it.

[Amit]

Ahh, okay. I'll get the details from Sean and send them to you. Btw, what server app do Modacity servers use?

[jcap]

It's a custom one, integrates similar to sapp.

[Amit]

That's what I thought. I think HaloRank's stats system is integrated directly into Gandanur. I'm still waiting for a reply from Sean Aero so see if it isn't possible to get the system running on something other than Gandanur.

[king_nothing_]

It's doubtful that he'd put it into any other app. IIRC, Gandanur doesn't have any of the "fun" commands that have the potential of being abused. With other apps, you can't be so sure of that.

He said he plans to release it when it's finished. Maybe if you talked to him you could convince him to let you use the beta on the Modacity server, though. Who knows.

[jcap]

I wouldn't want it to be part of another server app. A standalone dll, like sapp is, would be best. It would be compatible with every server, regardless of the misc server apps it's running.

[king_nothing_]

Again though, if it was compatible with every server app, there would be no control over people who might want to turn on /god or whatever to rack up points for the ranking system. He has to make sure those sort of things aren't possible in order for the the ranking system to have any integrity.

[Amit]

Well, would stability of the app be affected by those "fun" commands? If so, I should think that the Modacity servers are running a no-nonsense custom app that doesn't have the potential to be abused. I wonder if he could make it work with that. However, that would require him to work with whoever wrote the Modacity server app to get it working. That's not necessarily a bad thing, though. I should think we'd all like a universalized stats system for the game.

[Patrickssj6]

How about he signs where the stats come from so in case of abuse he can just remove them.

[Cortexian]

Or if a "fun" command is used it just globally disables stat tracking until the fun command is disabled.

[Kornman00]

Again though, if it was compatible with every server app, there would be no control over people who might want to turn on /god or whatever to rack up points for the ranking system.
Also, multiple modifications to the server can lead to collision errors. One modification could modify part X of the engine's code, while another modification could try to do a change of its own there. Too many cooks in the kitchen.

[Amit]

Too many cooks in the kitchen.

Hell's Kitchen. :3

[Patrickssj6]

Also, multiple modifications to the server can lead to collision errors. One modification could modify part X of the engine's code, while another modification could try to do a change of its own there. Too many cooks in the kitchen.
Something really neiß would be something like a mod loader or a plugin system. The main DLL is responsible for all the hooks and the plugins/mods just register their hooks into the main DLL. This would allow for easy extensibility etc.

Let's say if someone wants to add something very simple like "I want my server to tell every x minutes the current time" he could just write a small plugin and add it instead of asking for a new feature in SAPP etc.

[Kornman00]

Great. Get on it.

[Patrickssj6]

Funny.

[chrisk123999]

Something really neiß would be something like a mod loader or a plugin system. The main DLL is responsible for all the hooks and the plugins/mods just register their hooks into the main DLL. This would allow for easy extensibility etc.

Let's say if someone wants to add something very simple like "I want my server to tell every x minutes the current time" he could just write a small plugin and add it instead of asking for a new feature in SAPP etc.

Already been done. Except with LUA.
http://haloapps.wordpress.com/2011/01/18/phasor/
(http://haloapps.wordpress.com/2011/01/18/phasor/)

[p0lar_bear]

Already been done. Except with LUA.
http://haloapps.wordpress.com/2011/01/18/phasor/
(http://haloapps.wordpress.com/2011/01/18/phasor/)

Oh snap. Impressive.

*waits patently for CE version*

[Cortexian]

The CE version would basically be the app that the Modacity servers are running. All the commands are "plugins".

[Patrickssj6]

Already been done. Except with LUA.
http://haloapps.wordpress.com/2011/01/18/phasor/
(http://haloapps.wordpress.com/2011/01/18/phasor/)
I worked on a project like that, we also used LUA for that game.

Hopefully his project will go somewhere, sounds promising.

[JackalStomper]

Fernando
Aimbot
Modacity Deathisland


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1z31sHO3ZE

[jcap]

Fernando
Aimbot
Modacity Deathisland
Always remember to post the exact date and time.

Here's his info anyway:
Fernando,76b9b8db9ae6b6cacdd59770a18fc1d5,1,--

IP: 189.229.136.113

[JackalStomper]

So recently me and a few others I play with have been getting frequent lag spikes in any Modacity Server. Usually accompanied with teleporting off the nearest cliff edge. Not sure what that's about, but it's rather annoying.

[jcap]

There is a MAJOR routing problem going on right now with the ISP. I think it has been going on for at least one week - possibly more - but I've only just caught it two days ago.

I'm trying to get the problem resolved.

http://i.imgur.com/P33m6.png

[TheTriforceKid]

What is the deal with the servers? THey're not showing up, and I can't find any info that says they're down? Been this way for me for a few days now.

[jcap]

They are back as of 12 AM EDT today.

[FIRELORD]

I have seen some aimbots in modacity servers but I don't know how to record the games to prove it. Today, November 16, I saw one in the blood gulch server. I used the sight jacker to be completely sure. I saw how his screen turned to each of my teammates and once he had killed one it automatically turned to the next one really fast.

[Amit]

Why do people keep accusing me of using aimbots when my K/D is only like 65-23. They need to look at the faggot on their own team that's going 80-4. Fucking South American fucks can't speak English or even use sightjacker to prove that I'm hacking.

That's what I think in my head, though. I just laugh and tell them to report me to the server admins http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h262/amit9821/ytdJY.png

[JackalStomper]

Don't even need a good score to be accused. You could have fucking 200 deaths and if you 3 shot someone, or just kill them with a headshot at all, chances are they'll call you a bot.

Of course getting something like 100-0 doesn't help at all, by the time I finally died the entire game was just spamming 'bot'.

Best thing to do is not say anything, eventually they get tired of complaining and either quit or shut up.

[TVTyrant]

Way back when we used to call each other bots as a joke.

Apparently not anymore?

[Pooky]

aim boat

[p0lar_bear]

Captain Pooky of the aim vessel U.S.S. Hax

[JackalStomper]

fuel rod aimbot

grenade aimbot

tank aimbot

falling damage aimbot

telefrag aimbot

^ any good player has been accused of these at some point.

[TVTyrant]

grenadebot was always my favorite

but
boot
b0t
butt
bott
pot
pott
p0t

[Pooky]

yeah I've at least been accused of nadebot and meleebot plenty of times. Also 'heavy noob', 'pistol noob', even got called 'plasma noob' one time on a Gulch server because I was killing Warthogs with the plasma rifle.

[TeeKup]

^ how do you even come to that midset? If you're in a hog and someone kills you with a Plasma Rifle you're either a terrible driver or you're gunner is an idiot.

[TVTyrant]

Warthog bot was always the best.

[Amit]

Warthog bot? :ugh: What the hell does that do?

[TVTyrant]

According to n00bs it lets you run them over with aimbot like precision.

[Amit]

Back in September, somebody accused me of using an aimbot to shoot him using the turret on the rocket hog. LOL! How the fuck does a bot know how to lead shots for slow ass rockets?

[supersniper]

the server keeps switching me from team to team LOL

[jcap]

:-/

Speaking of which, does anyone have any thoughts for a good team switching algorithm?

[JackalStomper]

two changes

1: change blacklist, anyone on this list never gets autobalanced. ever. (I'm against this but it seems some people that don't care about a fair game might approve)

2: Determine a players skill level through score or K/D, and place a value on it. Do the same for every other player in the game.


Every player would have a 'work' value, for example a godlike player that gets 100:1 KD ratios would be doing the same amount of 'work' as 10 lesser players with only 10:1 ratios and so forth. The game could determine this 'work' value for every player in the game, then organize the teams accordingly so that the combined 'work' values of the teams are relatively even. If this means that 15 terrible players are matched up against one godlike player to make the teams even then in theory it would be 'fair'.

These invisible 'ranks' would NOT be persistent, and would be calculated on demand during autobalance.

A major problem with this system is that it can result in complete team mix ups, with nearly every player dying at once and being reassigned, and in the case of early on in games this could happen very often as the 'work' values are eventually defined through scores/KD ratios. Perhaps a buffer of some sort for early games could be defined.

Persistence would probably fix this problem but then it encounters all the usual pitfalls that systems we're familiar with in XBL matchmaking already suffer from.

[Pooky]

Or you could just do away with all that, because autobalance can fuck off and die.

If there's any respectable, veteran players in the game they'll even the teams themselves. If it's just typical Modacity pubbies, they're too dumb to know the difference anyway.

[JackalStomper]

If there's any respectable, veteran players in the game they'll even the teams themselves.

I wish I had a screenshot of the countless times that has proven false.

good players don't give a shit about team balance, they just want to kill people and gloat about it

[Pooky]

I wish I had a screenshot of the countless times that has proven false.

good players don't give a shit about team balance, they just want to kill people and gloat about it

I didn't say good players, I said respectable veteran players.

[jcap]

Maybe if it was 2004.

[JackalStomper]

There's also the problem if its just you, and all the idiots change to your team because you're owning face and you keep running out of people to shoot because they all switched and follow you when you try to change teams yourself.

[p0lar_bear]

Autobalance players who are currently dead, or in the rare event everyone is alive, keep watching for a death. Getting team-switched when you're in the middle of doing something is complete and utter bullshit, especially when the driver of a loaded warthog is autobalanced in the middle of a raging battlefield.
Turn off autobalance - hell, team changing entirely if it's possible - when the winning team is on the verge of victory (e.g. occupying the hill/holding the ball with 20 seconds left, having the winning flag, etc). I can't count how many times I've been autobalanced in TF2 to the losing team when there is literally no chance in hell they can recover, or the very second the last objective is captured.
Figure out who is contributing the most to the team. The MLGfag pistol-wanking the hill on Blood Gulch and racking up easy kills at the teleporter exit is contributing less than the guy who is getting a modest ratio, driving people around, and occasionally picking up the flag. See if it's possible to take other actions into account besides kills, deaths, and score.

[Cortexian]

I'm all for a skill based leveling system. Take a look at how Battlefield 3 generates skill level:


So basically, this is what determines your skill level on your stats page:

• You gain/loose SL based on every confrontation with another player
• Killing a highly skilled enemy gives you more points than killing someone less skilled
• Points are not transferred from a player to another, they are simply added/subtracted based on the encounter and the SL of both parts (thus, after an encounter, one part may go up 50 points while the other loses only 20)
• The SL is used for matchmaking


Add this into the app, make it take skill into account when balancing players.

[Amit]

Is that even possible? I would absolutely LOVE something like that in CE. We can't remove auto-balance or gameplay will get worse​ with all the fags who don't balance the teams.

[Pooky]

There's also the problem if its just you, and all the idiots change to your team because you're owning face and you keep running out of people to shoot because they all switched and follow you when you try to change teams yourself.

True, but I used to switch teams constantly back when I was godlike at this game to keep things interesting vOv

I guess it's too much to ask for people to give a shit these days, but turning off team changing entirely sounds like a better idea than obnoxious autobalancing.

[Amit]

obnoxious autobalancing > 5 people getting owned by 11 people.

[Pooky]

That would never happen. The only way you'd get an imbalance is if a bunch of people quit one team, in which case any new players would be automatically placed on the smaller one.

[Timo]

What's the map rotation for custom hive?

[jcap]

immure
immure
immure
immure
immure
immure
immure
immure
immure
immure
immure

e: need to rename that gay server

[JackalStomper]

turn off wasps

[Donut]

a little tangent here: i hate it when switching teams penalizes you. there have been multiple times in bad company 2 where one team is missing people and nobody wants to switch teams because when you do, it counts as a suicide, which adds to your death count and makes you lose 10 points. not a huge deal in the long run but that has stopped me from switching a couple times. on that note, ill always switch in tf2 if it becomes necessary, and i know ive voluntarily switched in halo ce before too, at least when its enabled. this is kind of in reference to pooky's comment about people not wanting to change teams. this is definitely one of the reasons.

on topic, i dont think theres really any one objectively better solution. an autobalancer with the bf3 style "skill level" checker thing would be cool, but that might piss off the people who arnt at the top of the score board, and some that are. i can see one guy on top of red team and another guy right below him, then the second guy gets autobalanced and now hes all upset because hes on the losing team. on that same note, blue team might be pissed off entirely. either situation could lead to a loss of players. thats a difficult one to approach and i really dont know honestly...
im assuming if an admin is playing, he can manually swap people, so depending on admin activity, it might be a good idea to have a "switch" for the autobalancer so an admin can just turn it on or off

[JackalStomper]

The BF3 system sounds like it has a very large potential for rank inflation. Some idiot mows down a good player with a warthog a few times and is suddenly the best player in the game as far as the system is concerned. Then he gets out and proceeds to try killing a ghost with assault rifle melee's.

[Amit]

The BF3 system sounds like it has a very large potential for rank inflation. Some idiot mows down a good player with a warthog a few times and is suddenly the best player in the game as far as the system is concerned. Then he gets out and proceeds to try killing a ghost with assault rifle melee's.

Your rank is not affected by your skill level in-game. In fact, skill level is moot if you other players are bypassing you in points since they play the objective. Killing high value targets does not give you rank bonuses in the game, but it does move you higher up on the Battlelog leaderboards. The extra points you get for killing HVT's aren't much more than a regular kill.

[FIRELORD]

I like the idea of the skill based leveling system but in modacity custom hive that would always kill the wasps and the player that was on the wasp surely would be a noob without it, also the game would turn unfair if a wasp guy dies and the other team gets both wasps because of it, not to mention how the guy who was in the wasp would feel because of getting suddenly killed and loosing his wasp, I think the autobalance should avoid changing the wasp guys. And the autobalance shouldn't kill a player if he has the flag or is in the middle of doing something, I really hate when I am going to score and the autobalance kills me and someone else gets my score when he did nothing to get it. Imagine how I felt when I had both, a wasp and the flag and the autobalance switched me. I think also that the autobalance should avoid killing people that play good because they know to play together, as a team, and they want to be in the same team because of that, for example the clans. It is common that players who are in the same clan want to be in the same team but sometimes the autobalance doesn't allowes them. One day I was playing with my clan and we all were in the same team but someone changed to our team and the autobalance kept moving members of my clan to the other team and they kept changing back until the autobalance denied one of us to change back. Anyway that player was just waiting for the chance to return and didn't help the team he was in because he wanted to be with his clan. There should be something that recognizes when a bunch of players in the same team has the same letters or word at the beginning of their names so the autobalance avoids killing them.

[Amit]

Hard to call it a custom hive when it only runs one cruddy map. Team balance or no, one team will always grab the other wasp, and since it's near impossible to shoot down a wasp pilot, the games remain unchanged.

[supersniper]

put up an MLG server ;)

i'd play that every day. 4v4s on ratrace were my favorite

[t3h m00kz]

^ I second this.

e: FUCK YOU NEW PAGE

[FIRELORD]

Hard to call it a custom hive when it only runs one cruddy map. Team balance or no, one team will always grab the other wasp, and since it's near impossible to shoot down a wasp pilot, the games remain unchanged.
That's not true. All you need is practice. I have played many times in that server and I got practice getting wasps down. They are not so hard to shoot down for me. I have joined games in the ones the enemies have both wasps and I shot down both and get them for my team. I usually do it with the sniper rifle, it takes usually 2 or 3 good shots to kill them. But if you are not good with the sniper the next thing that usually gets them down is the gun torret, either of the base or the warthog, but sometimes the wasp's driver is smart enough to avoid the gun torret's attacks and kills the gunner attacking from above, those can only be killed with sniper.

[JackalStomper]

turn off wasps
turn off wasps

[EagerYoungSpaceCadet]

turn off waspsturn off wasps

[Pooky]

That's not true. All you need is practice. I have played many times in that server and I got practice getting wasps down. They are not so hard to shoot down for me. I have joined games in the ones the enemies have both wasps and I shot down both and get them for my team. I usually do it with the sniper rifle, it takes usually 2 or 3 good shots to kill them. But if you are not good with the sniper the next thing that usually gets them down is the gun torret, either of the base or the warthog, but sometimes the wasp's driver is smart enough to avoid the gun torret's attacks and kills the gunner attacking from above, those can only be killed with sniper.

You're not going to snipe out the wasp if the pilot is even halfway intelligent, and it only gets more frustrating when the other team has both of them. Granted, most players on the Modacity servers aren't even halfway intelligent, but still.


turn off wasps


turn off wasps

turn off wasps

[Amit]

Turn off wasps. I love the map design but I just don't play on that map just because of the wasps. If their flight speed was turned down, I wouldn't mind so much.

[FIRELORD]

You're not going to snipe out the wasp if the pilot is even halfway intelligent, and it only gets more frustrating when the other team has both of them. Granted, most players on the Modacity servers aren't even halfway intelligent, but still.





turn off wasps
When the players are smart enough it only takes longer for me to kill them but I always can shoot them down and if the enemies have both wasps I get down the eassier one first and kill the other one with the wasp I already shot down. I have played in that server since months ago and I got a lot of practice.

[Pooky]

It's kind of hard to even get to the sniper rifle when the rest of your team are morons and they have you spawn trapped in your base :x

[JackalStomper]

I got into a wasp once and went like 300-0, shit's overpowered.

[FIRELORD]

It's kind of hard to even get to the sniper rifle when the rest of your team are morons and they have you spawn trapped in your base :x
That's right but I just keep trying until I get it. If the wasp is guarding it I try getting the one at the middle of the map, then I return to my base trying not to be noticed by the wasp and I start sniping from there, using my own base to protect me from getting blasted by the wasp's rockets. But if I am the only player in my team that moves there's no way not to call the wasp's attention so I just become a camper and protect the flag.

[FIRELORD]

I caught another aimbot in Custom Hive but this time I did got a video to prove it. He is called "Taco Rules", he was playing today, November 25, around 00:30 a.m. Here is the video's link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqdnu6nCxus
I uploaded it 5 minutes ago. I would really appreciate if someone (the server) could do something about him.

[Pooky]

That's right but I just keep trying until I get it. If the wasp is guarding it I try getting the one at the middle of the map, then I return to my base trying not to be noticed by the wasp and I start sniping from there, using my own base to protect me from getting blasted by the wasp's rockets. But if I am the only player in my team that moves there's no way not to call the wasp's attention so I just become a camper and protect the flag.

So basically, the wasp breaks gameplay just like we've all been saying :downs:

[jcap]

I caught another aimbot in Custom Hive but this time I did got a video to prove it. He is called "Taco Rules", he was playing today, November 25, around 00:30 a.m. Here is the video's link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqdnu6nCxus
I uploaded it 5 minutes ago. I would really appreciate if someone (the server) could do something about him.

Hash: Taco Rules,d0f717d380d0c0a77d32f929546e864e,1,--
IP: 187.137.248.1

[FIRELORD]

Hash: Taco Rules,d0f717d380d0c0a77d32f929546e864e,1,--
IP: 187.137.248.1
Thanks for the information. I will add it to the video but I woull appreciate if you could ban him please. He was playing again today with a different name. Now he was playing as "$O#Taco". It was around 1:45 p.m. this time. Take a look at the new video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLkgNxOzth4

[Amit]

I forgot to mention, I was playing on Modacity @ the gulch 1 last night and a really bad aim botter was there. His name was in some random ass font, but it would read out as {SIN}CARA or something like that. I sight jacked him a few times, but Sky's the Limit fucked up a few times and by the time I got it working properly the guy left the game. Be sure to watch out for him.

[Cortexian]

Look!

http://cache.www.gametracker.com/server_info/68.147.150.145:2302/b_160_400_1_ffffff_c5c5c5_ffffff_000000_1_1_0.png http://cache.www.gametracker.com/server_info/68.147.150.145:2304/b_160_400_1_ffffff_c5c5c5_ffffff_000000_1_1_0.png http://cache.www.gametracker.com/server_info/68.147.150.145:2306/b_160_400_1_ffffff_c5c5c5_ffffff_000000_1_1_0.png http://cache.www.gametracker.com/server_info/68.147.150.145:2308/b_160_400_1_ffffff_c5c5c5_ffffff_000000_1_1_0.png

[JackalStomper]

huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu100pinguuuuuuuuur rrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Cortexian]

120 ping is good... Never need to worry unless it's more than that.

[Amit]

Look!

FUCK YES. Good maps and game rules.

[jcap]

Oh look, a custom server with no players in it.

I'm shocked.

(Also Amit, the rules are no different from what's been running on the Modacity servers for the past 10 months)

[Amit]

(Also Amit, the rules are no different from what's been running on the Modacity servers for the past 10 months)

I know. That's why Modacity Gulch 1 is in my Direct IP field. I dont' even go to the server browser any more. The problem is that the server is almost always full so Cortexian's servers are what I'll play on if Modacity is full.

[JackalStomper]

DG's servers are pretty good now that they use the new SAPP, no more aimbots.

[Cortexian]

I'm using the new SAPP.

[Amit]

I've noticed some cool stuff added to Cortexian's servers. All your team mates' names are above the green friendly indicator. Also, it looks like if you are hit by an explosive within 1 second of spawning, you are given an overshield. That must have saved me a few times when the enemy was base raping.

[Donut]

^ i believe pressing f3 also turns on names above team mates

[Amit]

Oh really? Maybe I accidentally pressed it, but I don't know how that would have happened. I only checked the score once or twice during the round and I was dead so I was careful of what button I was pressing. Oh well, at least now I know.

[Cortexian]

Yeah, spawn protection is enabled for 3s when you first spawn. Firing your weapon negates this effect though.

The names above friendly indicators thing has been around since Halo CE first came out. You just press F3 to enable it.

[Amit]

I always fiddled with F1, F2, and F3, but I never realized F3 did anything. Probably because I was always testing out maps when I hit F3. It's rather useful on large maps, but sort of cumbersome on medium and smaller maps like Blood Gulch, Sidewinder, and Battle Creek.

[jcap]

DG's servers are pretty good now that they use the new SAPP, no more aimbots.
Yeah, I'm going to enable some of these features once the term ends. I've wanted to, but I just haven't had the time to set up and fine tune everything.

[Pooky]

I always fiddled with F1, F2, and F3, but I never realized F3 did anything. Probably because I was always testing out maps when I hit F3. It's rather useful on large maps, but sort of cumbersome on medium and smaller maps like Blood Gulch, Sidewinder, and Battle Creek.

How are BG and Sidewinder not large maps o.O

What would you consider a large map, Infinity or Gephy?

[Amit]

How are BG and Sidewinder not large maps o.O

What would you consider a large map, Infinity or Gephy?

Yup. The name markers are heavily bolded so if you're at a base while your pals are in the middle of BG, it becomes a clusterfuck of bolded names.

[FIRELORD]

I caught another aimbotter, he is called Lucky. Here is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uVfN-0TsAk
He was in Custom Hive around 2 p.m. today.

[jcap]

By the way, Firelord is now an admin of the CE servers because he frequents them more than anyone else here.

[Cortexian]

I'm still admin it seems, but now that my servers are up I'll likely play more there unless we're having a Modacity gamenight.

[TeeKup]

Will be active in the Modacity and Lancers edge servers sometime tonight.

[FIRELORD]

Thanks jcap, I will post a video of each botter I ban.

[JackalStomper]

aimbot

Today, around 11:30 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i_2ssGWVX4

[jcap]

...which server?

[JackalStomper]

Gulch 1 I think, might have been 2

[Amit]

That's Gulch 1. Gulch 2 has gay tanks.

[Kornman00]

Also, OS_haloceded works now

[JackalStomper]

I would love this if I could install it, I used a custom directory and it doesn't like that.

Would it be possible to just release an archive I can just plop into the CE directory and whatever other places I need to put them :/

[Amit]

I would love this if I could install it, I used a custom directory and it doesn't like that.

Would it be possible to just release an archive I can just plop into the CE directory and whatever other places I need to put them :/

I use a custom directory and had no issues installing...

Everyone, do yourselves a favour now and just turn off UAC completely. You'll solve 3/4 of your issues by doing that.

[Kornman00]

The OS installer uses your HaloCE install path in the registry. The dedi for OS is only made up of OS_haloceded.exe and OpenSauceDedi.dll (technically there's also an xml settings file for the server in the same location as the user settings, but no actual settings are stored as of 3.0.1).

[Amit]

Looks like you're going to have to put up a whole FAQ just for installation because people can't seem to manage installing this thing. Maybe a manual installation package might be of use.

[Cortexian]

I never had any issues, I also have a custom directory.

[JackalStomper]

I use a custom directory and had no issues installing...

Everyone, do yourselves a favour now and just turn off UAC completely. You'll solve 3/4 of your issues by doing that.
It is off.


The OS installer uses your HaloCE install path in the registry. The dedi for OS is only made up of OS_haloceded.exe and OpenSauceDedi.dll (technically there's also an xml settings file for the server in the same location as the user settings, but no actual settings are stored as of 3.0.1).

Well...
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3128383/temp/wat.jpg

[Kornman00]

...why did you install an x86 application to "Program Files" instead of "Program Files (x86)" when you're running a x64 version of Windows? Install Halo to (x86) then install OS.

[JackalStomper]

Thanks.

[TheTriforceKid]

Where did all of the servers go? I'm only seeing Modacity-Gulch in the server lists anymore? GUlch is fun..but I miss the Canyon CTF server..

[FIRELORD]

Where are the servers? I can't find them in the list, I also tried direct IP (173.61.31.35) but I can't get in.

[Amit]

They are gone.

[Cortexian]

jcap post your desk

and then get the Halo servers back online

[itszutak]

I blame the hurricane

[MastaCheefa]

Is there still a modacity server? Doesnt look like it.

[Rosco]

Is there still a modacity server? Doesnt look like it.

is there people shocked to see your name on a recent post?

why yes, yes there is :hay:

[STLRamsFan]

I want in on this again. Think I might ACTUALLY have something to play the frecking game... Anyone still playing these days???

[Tnnaas]

I pop into the servers from time to time. Usually it's hard to find the perfect gametype/map/player setup I like, but anything I join I usually find fun.

[FIRELORD]

Why aren't the modacity servers online any longer? Are they gone?

[Cortexian]

Unsticking and locking since JCAP stopped hosting the servers.