Bug thread

[Bad Waffle]

Masters promised that if all bugs were posted in this forum, he would strive to correct them. Other suggestions are things that would make your mod better, by fixing consistencies. Here is my proof.

Masterz1337 (7:13:33 PM): ok
Masterz1337 (7:13:34 PM): so
Masterz1337 (7:13:36 PM): name the bugs
Masterz1337 (7:13:43 PM): in the most recent release?
Wave of Lag (7:13:51 PM): why?
Wave of Lag (7:13:57 PM): i mean, really
Wave of Lag (7:14:06 PM): im not playing your dumb game, you play mine.
Masterz1337 (7:14:06 PM): well I would think
Masterz1337 (7:14:18 PM): that if you said the mod was buggy
Wave of Lag (7:14:25 PM): why should i name the bugs? when they have already been mentioned...and forgotten?
Masterz1337 (7:14:25 PM): then you could name the things wrong
Wave of Lag (7:14:34 PM): they were things you already knew.
Masterz1337 (7:14:41 PM): and, there were no bugs that could be fixed in the latest batch
Wave of Lag (7:14:58 PM): i highly doubt that.
Masterz1337 (7:15:13 PM): make a thread
Masterz1337 (7:15:20 PM): but if you played them
Wave of Lag (7:15:27 PM): and i marvel at the fact taht you stray from the topic--you try and wiggle out of what is at hand.
Masterz1337 (7:15:27 PM): you should be able to name them
Masterz1337 (7:15:32 PM): how am I dong that
Wave of Lag (7:15:40 PM): will you fix them?
Masterz1337 (7:15:38 PM): you said the maps were buggy unfinished and shit
Masterz1337 (7:15:39 PM): when
Masterz1337 (7:15:40 PM): they arnt
Wave of Lag (7:15:47 PM): will you fix all the bug stated?
Masterz1337 (7:15:45 PM): yeah
Masterz1337 (7:15:47 PM): of course
Wave of Lag (7:16:02 PM): of course, eh?
Wave of Lag (7:16:13 PM): lol
Wave of Lag (7:16:19 PM): you make me giggle

So, i will let another forumer start off with the bugs.

[Elite Killa]

You shoot at the ground in Snow Grove with SL it shows nothing but the snow with no holes...

[Pred1ator]

there is a hole in dissolution

[Edward Elrich]

All maps: you can fire one or two extra shots with the shotgun when the "clip" is empty, causing bullet holes to appear in whatever surface you're shooting at, but the sound of an empty "clip."

[jcap]

Shitty frag grenade strength
Shitty grenade HUD (I've told you this forever and even made a replacement for you...)
Shitty starting weapon selection
Shitty starting ammo
Shitty limited weapon placement
Shitty weapon pickup ammo
Shitty SMG strength
Shitty SMG texture
Shitty SMG shader
Shitty SMG anims (melee)
Shitty shotgun strength
Shitty shotgun
Shitty HUGEASS F3 NAME TEXT
Shitty MA5K FP
Shitty MA5K rate of fire
Shitty BSP errors in Dissolution (falling through level)
Shitty waterfall in Dissolution (no sound)
Shitty file sizes due to an overload of "hi-res" textures which cannot be shown by the game engine and an overload of unnecessary tags.


...for a start.

[Haloking365]

Shitty frag grenade strength
Shitty grenade HUD (I've told you this forever and even made a replacement for you...)
Shitty starting weapon selection
Shitty starting ammo
Shitty limited weapon placement
Shitty weapon pickup ammo
Shitty SMG strength
Shitty SMG texture
Shitty SMG shader
Shitty SMG anims (melee)
Shitty shotgun strength
Shitty shotgun
Shitty HUGEASS F3 NAME TEXT
Shitty MA5K FP
Shitty MA5K fire
Shitty BSP errors in Dissolution (falling through level)
Shitty waterfall in Dissolution (no sound)
Shitty file sizes due to an overload of "hi-res" textures which cannot be shown by the game engine and an overload of unnecessary tags.


...for a start.
Do you like the mod at all?

[Masterz1337]

Only 2 of those are bugs jcup ;)

[jcap]

Gameplay issues.

[Bad Waffle]

Masters promised that if all bugs were posted in this forum, he would strive to correct them. Other suggestions are things that would make your mod better, by fixing consistencies. Here is my proof.

read your conditions, masters :)

[Masterz1337]

Wave of Lag (7:15:47 PM): will you fix all the bug stated?
Masterz1337 (7:15:45 PM): yeah
Masterz1337 (7:15:47 PM): of course

?

[ExAm]

I saw nothing about inconsistencies in that convo. Only in Teh Lag's post.

[Masterz1337]

That's wave of lags post you mean.

[ExAm]

I thought they were the same person...

EDIT: *hits self*

[DaneO'Roo]

I agree that the SMG could be alot better looking, and at one stage was going to redo it but, yeah been distracted by lots of other stuff. I spose, I could still possibly do it, I mean lately i've been getting pretty fast, having done the Brute shot in 2 days and the spiker in. well 2 had I had another reference but its now up to 3. I can try, but dam it'd be pushing the time we've got left on it.

[Bad Waffle]

dont hold the thing to a deadline. you gotta push it back anyways to fix all of these issues.

[AAA]

dont hold the thing to a deadline. you gotta push it back anyways to fix all of these issues.


Yes, please. As Impatient as I am at this point, I know it's close. I can set it aside to see s'more potential put into this project

[JDMFSeanP]

Honestly why does this matter at all? I'm not trying to start anything but its just a group of people making maps, they could not make any maps or anything at all, but then the halo ce modding community wouldn't be the same.

Quit try to anal rape masterz and let CMT do what they want for christ sake, its there mods.

[Dole]

I thought they were the same person...

EDIT: *hits self*
God no.
Teh_Lag is responsible for like half of CMT's output, while WOL has a vendetta against Masters. You have not seen this yet?


dont hold the thing to a deadline. you gotta push it back anyways to fix all of these issues.
I say move the deadline to June 25th, in honor of all those who were joking that the original campaign's patch that was due for the next week would not come for another year.



Shitty SMG strength
Shitty SMG texture
Shitty SMG shader
Shitty SMG anims (melee)
Don't forget some features of the model need attention .

[MastaCheefa]

Wtf do you guys expect?? CMT is not a professional development team under some huge contract... There not getting paid to do this. Ive been watching CMT from their very beginning and have seen huge improvements in their mod. Especially in the last 6 months or so. Despite minor bugs here and there I and many others still have lots of fun playing the mod. And I think thats what really matters.

[Dr Jaul]

I have spent the past 2 hours or so checking some of the bugs. and have drawn a few conclusions.
1. i must disagree totally with jcap and his oppinions,
2. i couldnt get that shotgun bug of edward elrich's to happen anywhere.
3. the spartan laser doesnt make holes it lights things on fire, and on snowgrove, the ground glows red for a while instead
4. i recognize that WOL is a higher up in the community and i am a mere peon, but with all due respect dude you are making a total ass of yourself with this thing you have against masters.

EDIT: its kinda funny, but there have only been 2 actual bugs posted so far
DOUBLE EDIT: peon: (pronounced pee-on)
1. (formerly, esp. in Mexico) a person held in servitude to work off debts or other obligations.
2. any person of low social status, esp. one who does work regarded as menial or unskilled; drudge.

[Dole]

"Opinion" is spelled wrong. And I don't know what "peon" is.

[Haloking365]

Yeah, i agree with Dr Jaul. Although WOL apparently has a bone to pick with Masters, i think this is getting a little too far. I understand that WOL has a right to state his opinion, but come on, its just a game (cliche much?). Well, anyway. Im in school right now, and when i get home tonight i plan on testing the fuck out of the maps, atleast 1 hour a piece (because i have that kind of time, lol), both in and out of game. Ill post my review tomorrow, and then we'll see who's right.


"Opinion" is spelled wrong. And I don't know what "peon" is.
A peon is like a grunt (the military definition, not the alien). Small, weak, and for the most part useless (im not calling you that Jual, BTW).


Wtf do you guys expect?? CMT is not a professional development team under some huge contract... There not getting paid to do this. Ive been watching CMT from their very beginning and have seen huge improvements in their mod. Especially in the last 6 months or so. Despite minor bugs here and there I and many others still have lots of fun playing the mod. And I think thats what really matters.
+Rep, for being a good sport.

[Haloking365]

Delete Please.....

[Haloking365]

Delete Please.....

[Zeph]

http://cmt.h2vista.net/promotionalitems/spv2may/haloce%201%202007-04-16%2016-06-30-10.jpg
There's at least two problems in that. The one that is relevant here has to do with the weapon going halfway through the left hand.

[Haloking365]

There's at least two problems in that. The one that is relevant here has to do with the weapon going halfway through the left hand.
And the second?

[Pred1ator]

if u look even closer in the pic above the gun goes thru the spartans shoulder

[itszutak]

The grenades are shit.

They look very nice, but the blast radius is small and the grenade is FAR too weak for something making that much of a blast.

The BRG grenade also needs a radius boost.

I don't use plasmas very often, but since they're aimed to be stuck to people, I guess they're ok.

MA5K needs a better skin or model.

The blob grip, the plain gray...

Perhaps you could put a display, or something, on it? It's an awesome weapon, but it is ugly.

Brutes need better arms. They look lumpy, like fat lumpy, and the straps are cartoonish. Perhaps less black bordering?
And the head on the brute looks like a downs syndrome lizard. :/



And I know these are comments, but I can only see them improving the mod. <_<

[Pred1ator]

Brutes need better arms. They look lumpy, like fat lumpy, and the straps are cartoonish. Perhaps less black bordering?
And the head on the brute looks like a downs syndrome lizard. :/
<_<

this is the only thing i agree with you, i do recall masterz saying everything on the Ma5k is final

[Amit]

Yeah, i agree with Dr Jaul. Although WOL apparently has a bone to pick with Masters, i think this is getting a little too far. I understand that WOL has a right to state his opinion, but come on, its just a game (cliche much?). Well, anyway. Im in school right now, and when i get home tonight i plan on testing the fuck out of the maps, atleast 1 hour a piece (because i have that kind of time, lol), both in and out of game. Ill post my review tomorrow, and then we'll see who's right.


A peon is like a grunt (the military definition, not the alien). Small, weak, and for the most part useless (im not calling you that Jual, BTW).


+Rep, for being a good sport.

Should i -rep for you triple posting? Ha ha no, I'll be a good sport:p


this is the only thing i agree with you, i do recall masterz saying everything on the Ma5k is final

That skin for the MA5K is kinda bland(Bullshit), if you don't spice it up I'll be killing people with a grey tool instead of a slick machine.

[Masterz1337]

I wouldn't call the Ma5K bland, unless your PC can't display the texture at highest res.

[itszutak]

Alright, so at high rez it's a grey stick with scratches. :/

I still think it needs something besides grey.

Perhaps a display, so that it works with the rest of the human rifles? (BR, AR, etc.) I don't think it quite qualifies as an SMG.

[Galap]

if you pick up the flag on that snowy map during nighttime, the rocks and trees become illuminated as if it were day.

this might only happen in devcam.

[Masterz1337]

Alright, so at high rez it's a grey stick with scratches. :/

I still think it needs something besides grey.

Perhaps a display, so that it works with the rest of the human rifles? (BR, AR, etc.) I don't think it quite qualifies as an SMG.
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/2813/spiarmorez0.jpg See anything we missed?

[Haloking365]

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/2813/spiarmorez0.jpg See anything we missed?
Umm, the ink?

[Haloking365]

if u look even closer in the pic above the gun goes thru the spartans shoulder
Where? Either im blind or you are....

[Zeph]

And the second?

The horrendous anomalies on the armor?

[Dole]

Where? Either im blind or you are....
Stop double posting.

[SPARTAN_025]

What the fuck is wrong with the graphics?!?!? Are you going to be fighting in an intense battle and stop and look at a gun and say," OMG! That has so many errors in so many ways? I think I'm going to bitch about it!!! Blah, blah, blah." If you have a problem about graphics and small glitches, then you make a couple dozen or so maps to please at least a couple thousand people. They have put so much time and effort in to those maps just to please a few people who want to play a fun game with cool stuff in it, but no you just shove shit in their faces where they deserve graditude. What a bunch of fucking bastards...

[Arteen]

So, i will let another forumer start off with the bugs.

So you still avoid mentioning any bugs? Can you really call it buggy if you haven't actually played the maps, or at least haven't found any bugs?


Shitty...
Jcap, please grow up. You could at least try and be more descriptive than "shitty." Could you elaborate on what makes them less than desirable?

[Bad Waffle]

Sorry arteen, but when i did taht i was too upset to really care to go into a beta just to list off what other people could easily do so themselves. And jcap talks taht way because of past betas, and public opinion.

I have time now, so i will download a beta and list off everything :)

[Con]

-Starting weps: The MA5C alone is better than starting with 2 secondary weapons, SMG and pistol.

-I guess BSP holes can be a bit of a prick when youre about to finish someone off.

-The grenade launcher on the battle rifle and the BR strength annoy me too. I see no point in a G-Launcher when you can just throw the grenades.

-There is even a bug on the forum called WOL, masterz u should fix that.

The nade launcher and starting weps arent bugs, but I just dislike it.

-The pistol is not a 'secondary' weapon in this game. Think about what you're saying. Besides, I like spawning with the SMG, especially in Tensity.

-For me, I really find it hard to actually FIND a BSP hole, let alone fall through one when killing someone.

-What if you're out of grenades? :downs: Besides, BR grenades fly further and faster.

-WOL can have his opinion.

[Boba]

Bug: Mod

Description: None of it is balanced, lack of effort, and nearly any custom content.

Fix: Halo Custom Edition Tags/tags/ (Delete)

[Masterz1337]

Balance issues please.

[Con]

Bug: Mod

Description: None of it is balanced, lack of effort, and nearly any custom content.

Fix: Halo Custom Edition Tags/tags/ (Delete)

Why don't you just openly insult the team members?

How about you don't bitch about effort until you start contributing yourself? Don't get me started on the custom content and the weapon balancing.


EDIT: Masterz, don't change any of the weapons. It really is balanced, but you can't please everyone, namely the tards who can't play in general and blame you.

[Dole]

Why were the BR anims from SPv1 replaced? They were a lot better than the current set.

[Boba]

Example: everything. Also, I've offered to contribute. I was never contacted back.

[Con]

Example: everything. Also, I've offered to contribute. I was never contacted back.
Because you have nothing to contribute.

[teh lag]

Boba, what happened to when you were gonna help with Jungle Warfare? I asked you about it, even sent the map... but I got nothing D:

[Masterz1337]

Why were the BR anims from SPv1 replaced? They were a lot better than the current set.
No sounds, shitty fire anims. There is a new set that has replaced the ones that were in the released maps, believe it's the 8th set we've made.

[Elite Killa]

Balance issues please.
Hmm...let me thing of something about this little issue that Masterz wants to be pointed out. Hmm...

Oh, I know! Maybe the fact thst the human weapons totoally RAPE the covenant weapons. There is no sniper-equivalent weapon for the covenant side in the mod. Their isn't any mid-range weapon to rival the BR with. No heavy weapon to use against the RL or the SL (notice how the humans has 2 heavy weapons while covenant doesn't have shit in the mod). Basically the only covvie weapons are the spiker, needler, plasma pistol, plasma grenade and plasma rifle. And notice how most of the covvie weapons share the purpose of the SMG.

And I rarely see any covvie weapons (except the spiker) used at all.

[Masterz1337]

Bug: Mod

Description: None of it is balanced, lack of effort, and nearly any custom content.

Fix: Halo Custom Edition Tags/tags/ (Delete)
Masterz1337: lol since when did you hate the mod?
BobaTheFett76: I dunno
BobaTheFett76: since lag told me to post it last night
BobaTheFett76: :x
Masterz1337: which lag?
Masterz1337: wol?
BobaTheFett76: yeah

[itszutak]

See anything we missed?
You could always customize it a bit, considering you're part of the Custom Map Team ;)

[Dole]

(notice how the humans has 2 heavy weapons while covenant doesn't have shit in the mod)
Brute Shot and Fuel Rod Cannon. And Energy Sword. Happy now?

[Elite Killa]

Brute Shot and Fuel Rod Cannon. And Energy Sword. Happy now?
In the multiplayer maps...

[CtrlAltDestroy]

energy swords arent heavy :saddowns:

[Elite Killa]

energy swords arent heavy :saddowns:
Yeah, they're only n00bish.

[Dole]

Stop spamming.

[Masterz1337]

Hmm...let me thing of something about this little issue that Masterz wants to be pointed out. Hmm...

Oh, I know! Maybe the fact thst the human weapons totoally RAPE the covenant weapons. There is no sniper-equivalent weapon for the covenant side in the mod. Their isn't any mid-range weapon to rival the BR with. No heavy weapon to use against the RL or the SL (notice how the humans has 2 heavy weapons while covenant doesn't have shit in the mod). Basically the only covvie weapons are the spiker, needler, plasma pistol, plasma grenade and plasma rifle. And notice how most of the covvie weapons share the purpose of the SMG.

And I rarely see any covie weapons (except the spiker) used at all.
You clearly don't understand what he means by ballance. By the way you posted, h1 is unballanced as well. The weapons are ballanced, they are all effective, and are not clone weapons of eachother (except the spiker and the smg, although, that is being changed) I find myself able to take on anyone, despite what they are carying. Each weapon can be countered by another one. Ballance has nothing to do with what the humans and covies have. The beam rifle is the exact same thing as the human sniper, it just looks different and has a battery rather than ammo. they both fill the same roll without a difference.

[DaneO'Roo]

Elite Killa, have you even used the PR? It pwns more than the AR does, IMO

[Elite Killa]

I have. But will it win against the BR in a mid-range confrontation? Unlikely.

[Roostervier]

That is when you use the AR or a pistol. It doesn't have to have a covenant counterpart. IMO, that kind of shit is a waste of space. The bugs I usually find are things that can't be fixed, or would be an extreme hassle to be fixed.

[ExAm]

Why were the BR anims from SPv1 replaced? They were a lot better than the current set.I disagree. The old ones blew. No sounds and jerky animation.

[Con]

I have. But will it win against the BR in a mid-range confrontation? Unlikely.

That's why the PR spawns in gametypes set to close-range weapons :awesome: You wouldn't use a shotgun in a mid-range pistol fight, would you?

[SPARTAN_025]

To me the BR just seems to be a little underpowered. I can seem to get 4sk with it. I can get multiple 3sks with the pistol. It just seems that the BR has no use except for its GL and that is about it.

[Masterz1337]

The Br is 3sk, and has better range than the pistol.

[SPARTAN_025]

You sure about that? Hmm...must have never notice. Oh well. Cant wait for SPv2!

[JDMFSeanP]

For people worrying about balance, did H1 regularly have much balance the way that you put it? No. Did anyone regularly use covie weapons in h1 over human? No.

Boohoo.

[Dole]

I disagree. The old ones blew. No sounds and jerky animation.
Sounds could be added, the melee was nigh-perfectly animated, and it jerked less than the current set.

[Masterz1337]

But you haven't seen the current set?

[Con]

I think there are mainly two reasons that people may dislike the BR

First off, people seem to think it's weaker than the amount of damage it actually does. I think this may actually have something to do with the sound of the gun. The pistol is a strong sounding weapon, and I sometimes think that the BR has a very soft/muffled sound. Another thing is the BR nades. They're difficult to use, but effective against vehicles and at close range. I think the combination of the BR's two features make it a good assault weapon, for flag runs.

[ExAm]

I think the range and speed of the BR grenade should be decreased a bit.

[Bad Waffle]

Here are a lot of visual problems. I havent even gone into a game to check out gameplay, though.
it was the discussion, "process of elimination"



tensity:
the water is UVED too small, which means you cant see the waves
the flamethrower has no ground point
the water runs right into the mountains in the skybox, and there is an ugly white line between them
there is no background for the health or shield indicator
the health beep is TOO FREAKIN LOUD
the brute spiker, there are floating explosions around the gun when you fire
the ammo gradient is messed up
the frag grenade explosion is messed--little lines float out at a slow pace
all of the hud bitmaps need to be re-compiled with mipmaps: 1
the plasma pistol overcharge has the regular plasma bolt light volume, and none of the effects
the charging/battery meter are both screwed up
the exits to the teleports are facing the wrong direction (i went through a teleporter, kept walking forward, and almost fell off the edge of the map because it was pointed that direction)
the multipurpose for the AR needs to be redone (why is it the synthetic grips look like hard metal?)
why does the water look like shiny metal in the night setting?
particles for P. grenade need to be fixed, the electricity particles only show half the time
the 3p model of the SMG is too small when it lies on the ground
the firing sound for the sniper rifle is TOO quiet, and cant be heared over the bolt ejection sound
the ammo indicator for the BRG is screwed up
the firing sound for your SL is fubar
the rocket firing sound for the RL is ripped, and the particles for the rocket are fubar as well
why does the rocket have a slow fire ejecting from it when it fires?
the 3p model is actually the FP model
no lods

snowtorn cove:
the hog has a bad multipurpose, and it glows green
the diffuse map for the flag stand is screwed up, some of it is dark and the rest isnt
the multi is also screwed up
the multipurpose for the BRG is STILL unfinished
no collision geometry for the sniper rifle
the tint on the warthogs windhsield makes it impossible to see anything through it
the shells for the hog chaingun go flying forward
the teleporters launch me off the platform
the BRG lod dissapears at some distance
the shells for most of the weapons fly forwards instead of to the side

[Masterz1337]

Oh dear, except for flamethrower ground point and sniper collisions, we have a Jcup on PCP.

[Dr Jaul]

__________________


Oh, I know! Maybe the fact thst the human weapons totoally RAPE the covenant weapons. There is no sniper-equivalent weapon for the covenant side in the mod. Their isn't any mid-range weapon to rival the BR with. No heavy weapon to use against the RL or the SL (notice how the humans has 2 heavy weapons while covenant doesn't have shit in the mod). Basically the only covvie weapons are the spiker, needler, plasma pistol, plasma grenade and plasma rifle. And notice how most of the covvie weapons share the purpose of the SMG.

whine whine ok. done?

the covanent has invisible soldiers, all the more important ones have shielding or crazy health, superior numbers, 2 kinds of turrets, brutes and hunters(tanks in and of themselves), their weapons are very powerful in close range combat, and they are very good at getting up close and now they can also dual wield. so i really dont think that the covies need any long range weapons.

[Con]

Here are a lot of visual problems. I havent even gone into a game to check out gameplay, though.
it was the discussion, "process of elimination"


the frag grenade explosion is messed--little lines float out at a slow pace
the ammo indicator for the BRG is screwed up/the charging/battery meter are both screwed up/the ammo gradient is messed up
why does the rocket have a slow fire ejecting from it when it fires?
the 3p model is actually the FP model
the tint on the warthogs windhsield makes it impossible to see anything through it

I agree with a lot of the things that WOL said. Here are the things that I can personally answer:


I told him to make them faster :v
Now, I'm not an expert on this, but I've heard many times that the little jaggies in a meter can't be fixed. Correct me if I'm wrong or got your bug wrong.
Looks cool? :haw:
Does it matter that much? I guess it's a lot nicer/easier to only have to do 1 model.
See #3

[zade43]

omg... why cant you give it a bone allready WOL?!? I think Masterz and his crew allready get the point... why should you care anyway... you left and started up your team... so let CMT be.

[Bad Waffle]

Oh dear, except for flamethrower ground point and sniper collisions, we have a Jcup on PCP.

masters, they are visual errors and inconsistencies. If you weren't so blind you would be able to tell. READ THE FLIPPING LIST ALL THE WAY THROUGH. IM TRYING TO HELP YOU, RETARD.

[supersniper]

wow so much tension here why dont u just relax and take a vacation. trust me it feels awesome.

[Bad Waffle]

this is my vacation.

[DaneO'Roo]

um. Alot those aren't bugs, and are actually a personal preference.

[Masterz1337]

^Exactly. And how can you critisize the HUD when you don't even make them? I've worked on 4 HUDs since I started modding, as well as helped with 2 others. Leet and Polar are awsome with HUDs as well, you don't think we would have fixed a broken ammo meter, if we could have. Also, only like, 1 or 2 of the reticles has MIP maps, and that was fixed imediatly after release, since no one reported it in the public betas. As a a matter afact, any bugs that were reported durring the beta were fixed. So like I said, the 3 things that are bugs you reported are going to be fixed.

[SPARTAN_025]

Wave of Lag, has your team even produced a map yet? Has your team re-made a campaign? No, even when H2V comes out it will be at least half-year to year before you and your team releases anything appealing to the public. While, I think CMT will produce at least four maps that are hits among the H2V fanbase.

[Dole]

But you haven't seen the current set?
The set in the currently released maps. Est-ce que cette est claire?

[Bad Waffle]

Wave of Lag, has your team even produced a map yet? Has your team re-made a campaign? No, even when H2V comes out it will be at least half-year to year before you and your team releases anything appealing to the public. While, I think CMT will produce at least four maps that are hits among the H2V fanbase.

lol, you are silly. How would we release a mod when h2v isnt even out? son, i was the co-founder of CMT. Don't say i didnt do anything.

[SPARTAN_025]

Sry for that post, that was before I read why you are pissed at him. God if what you said is true about masters, maybe you can get a copyright infringement charge. lol.

[Bad Waffle]

You say you wont fix the bugs because they are preference. I'm trying to help you. Take it, dammit.

tensity:
the water is UVED too small, which means you cant see the waves sorry, you have to fix this
the flamethrower has no ground point sorry, you have to fix this
the water runs right into the mountains in the skybox, and there is an ugly white line between them sorry, its something you have to fix
there is no background for the health or shield indicator it doesnt match the rest of your hud, sorry
the health beep is TOO FREAKIN LOUD how is it not preference when it affects gameplay BECAUSE IT HURTS FREAKIN EARS
the brute spiker, there are floating explosions around the gun when you fire lol, i didnt know it was preference taht your guns have floating explosions coming from NOWHERE.
the ammo gradient is messed up uhh, its broken, fix it
the frag grenade explosion is messed--little lines float out at a slow pace
all of the hud bitmaps need to be re-compiled with mipmaps: 1
the plasma pistol overcharge has the regular plasma bolt light volume, and none of the effects uhh, its broken, fix it.
the charging/battery meter are both screwed up uhh, its broken. Fix it.
the exits to the teleports are facing the wrong direction (i went through a teleporter, kept walking forward, and almost fell off the edge of the map because it was pointed that direction) lol gameplay!
the multipurpose for the AR needs to be redone (why is it the synthetic grips look like hard metal?) err, do you like bad materials on your weapons? i dont.
why does the water look like shiny metal in the night setting? i think this is the only one tahts close to "preference"
particles for P. grenade need to be fixed, the electricity particles only show half the time how is it not a bug when the particles will not show?
the 3p model of the SMG is too small when it lies on the ground how is it not a bug when the SMG is significantly smaller than all the other weapons?
the firing sound for the sniper rifle is TOO quiet, and cant be heared over the bolt ejection sound how is it not a bug when i cant hear the weapon i fire?
the ammo indicator for the BRG is screwed up err, the meter isnt even alpha'd right.
the firing sound for your SL is fubar preference? it sounds stupid when you fire.
the rocket firing sound for the RL is ripped, and the particles for the rocket are fubar as well is it preference taht you are a ripper?
why does the rocket have a slow fire ejecting from it when it fires? last time i checked the rocket launcher isnt a lighter
the 3p model is actually the FP model also affects fps
no lods lol, this is a huge bug...it affect the fps big time

snowtorn cove:
the hog has a bad multipurpose, and it glows green how is it my choice that the hog looks like a glossy badly skinned model?
the diffuse map for the flag stand is screwed up, some of it is dark and the rest isnt is it preference that it is messed and it doesnt match?
the multi is also screwed up is it preference that it is messed and it doesnt match?
the multipurpose for the BRG is STILL unfinished is it preference that it is unfinished?
no collision geometry for the sniper rifle how is this not a bug?
the tint on the warthogs windhsield makes it impossible to see anything through it is it preference that it is just stupid?

the teleporters launch me off the platform uhh, how isnt this a glitch when it is inconvenient, makes it harder to play?
the BRG lod dissapears at some distance again, is it preference that i cant see the weapon from a distance?
the shells for most of the weapons fly forwards instead of to the side how isnt it a bug when the ejection port faces the other way?

[Dole]

lol, you are silly. How would we release a mod when h2v isnt even out? son, i was the co-founder of CMT. Don't say i didnt do anything.
Wasn't KiLLa the co-founder? Or do you mean the campaign team?

[rossmum]

Wave of Lag, has your team even produced a map yet?
We have two (at least?) in the works, coming along nicely... even unskinned, the mere sight of them would probably send the average player into convulsions of pure awesome. I should know, I just played one today...


Has your team re-made a campaign?
No, we don't plan to, either. We're making our own campaign. From scratch. :awesome:


No, even when H2V comes out it will be at least half-year to year before you and your team releases anything appealing to the public.
Wrong on two counts - one, WoL could probably get aforementioned map up to a standard that'd beat most others within a few weeks (if that); and two, I'd rather wait six months for a better product than wait two weeks for a buggy one.


While, I think CMT will produce at least four maps that are hits among the H2V fanbase.
I'll be completely honest and just say straight out that even what we have now would easily kill anything CMT has once tidied up a bit. Considering you don't know the first thing about Evo, I find it amazing you can tell us about our own mod. :rolleyes:

As for CMT bugs - yeah, there are a lot, but there are also a lot of gameplay issues and matters of personal preference. If I listed them all I'd be here all night, but I'll save myself time and +1 to jcap and WoL. Stop ignoring/insulting them and pay attention, since they know what they're talking about. It would seem someone is forgetting CMT wouldn't even exist if WoL hadn't co-founded it.

[Masterz1337]

lol, you are silly. How would we release a mod when h2v isnt even out? son, i was a member of CMT. Don't say i didnt do anything.
Fixed that for you.

[Masterz1337]

You say you wont fix the bugs because they are preference. I'm trying to help you. Take it, dammit.

tensity:
the water is UVED too small, which means you cant see the waves I see the waves, I think the water looks great
the flamethrower has no ground point a bug indeed
the water runs right into the mountains in the skybox, and there is an ugly white line between them thats on all bungie\gbx made maps as well
there is no background for the health or shield indicator H1 and H2 didn't have backgrounds for those either
the health beep is TOO FREAKIN LOUD sounds fine to me, it is an alarm after all
the brute spiker, there are floating explosions around the gun when you fire teh lag will have to answer that one
the ammo gradient is messed up all HUDs do that, including bungie's.
the frag grenade explosion is messed--little lines float out at a slow pace that was done purposefully, we had them faster, but it didn't look as nice
all of the hud bitmaps need to be re-compiled with mipmaps: Guess we missed it. You're the first one to notice, despite the huge public beta.
the plasma pistol overcharge has the regular plasma bolt light volume, and none of the effects maybe we didn't want the effects? or didn't care for them?
the charging/battery meter are both screwed up again, happens with ALL bungie HUDs as well.
the exits to the teleports are facing the wrong direction (i went through a teleporter, kept walking forward, and almost fell off the edge of the map because it was pointed that direction) shouldn't you lool before you leap?the multipurpose for the AR needs to be redone (why is it the synthetic grips look like hard metal?) Who says it's a synthetic grip?
why does the water look like shiny metal in the night setting? Shiney metal? sounds like your card has a problem. Looks like real water in the moonlight to me.
particles for P. grenade need to be fixed, the electricity particles only show half the time Never seen this problem before, sounds like your PC. And I have seen plenty of P-nades go off
the 3p model of the SMG is too small when it lies on the ground It is a SMG, why should it be the size of an AR?
the firing sound for the sniper rifle is TOO quiet, and cant be heared over the bolt ejection sound Well, it is silent.
the ammo indicator for the BRG is screwed up You can fix it? be my guest.
the firing sound for your SL is fubar opinion, I think it sounds fine. Again, no complaints from anyone but you.
the rocket firing sound for the RL is ripped, and the particles for the rocket are fubar as well all sounds are recorded from h2?
why does the rocket have a slow fire ejecting from it when it fires? play h3?
the 3p model is actually the FP model stock RL from h1.
no lods We have LODs on all weapons except the RL and the SL, which there is only one on a map at a time anyway.

snow grove:
the hog has a bad multipurpose, and it glows green Looks fine to me. Might even be your multi map. Another complaint unheard of. As a matter a fact, it's an opinion.
the diffuse map for the flag stand is screwed up, some of it is dark and the rest isnt pic please
the multi is also screwed up pic please
the multipurpose for the BRG is STILL unfinished I think the BRG looks great, perhaps you could say what is unfinished? Perhaps unfinished means it's not using the ugly one you wanted?
no collision geometry for the sniper rifle yes it is a bug, but another one that doesn't matter.
the tint on the warthogs windhsield makes it impossible to see anything through it Since when do you look through a warthog in FP?

the teleporters launch me off the platform never seen this before, nor was it in the 3 public betas for Grove
the BRG lod dissapears at some distance never seen this happen, pics please
the shells for most of the weapons fly forwards instead of to the side we never realy cared about this, legitment complaint.

My Responses in bold.

[Masterz1337]

We have two (at least?) in the works, coming along nicely... even unskinned, the mere sight of them would probably send the average player into convulsions of pure awesome. I should know, I just played one today...


No, we don't plan to, either. We're making our own campaign. From scratch. :awesome:


Wrong on two counts - one, WoL could probably get aforementioned map up to a standard that'd beat most others within a few weeks (if that); and two, I'd rather wait six months for a better product than wait two weeks for a buggy one.


I'll be completely honest and just say straight out that even what we have now would easily kill anything CMT has once tidied up a bit. Considering you don't know the first thing about Evo, I find it amazing you can tell us about our own mod. :rolleyes:

As for CMT bugs - yeah, there are a lot, but there are also a lot of gameplay issues and matters of personal preference. If I listed them all I'd be here all night, but I'll save myself time and +1 to jcap and WoL. Stop ignoring/insulting them and pay attention, since they know what they're talking about. It would seem someone is forgetting CMT wouldn't even exist if WoL hadn't co-founded it.
Personaly evo models havent made me feel anything, except for that cool rifle reaper man made. You PLAN to make a custom campaign, We also have custom SP maps in development. I'm not going to bash your mod, even though you decided to bash ours. I am interested in your gameplay complaints, as people seem to either A. Have no complaints or B. Do not understand the changes we made, such as grenades.

[Masterz1337]

Sry for that post, that was before I read why you are pissed at him. God if what you said is true about masters, maybe you can get a copyright infringement charge. lol.
He's pissed at me for having the h3 beta, and because he was "mistreated"

[SPARTAN_025]

Why are you saying that he is pissed at you because you have the beta and he doesn't? That is not even relevant to the topic. From what I have heard, you haven't given credit where credit is due.

[Masterz1337]

I always give credit. WOL use to be on the team, and now he isn't. I never take credit for anyone work, hell, most of the time I refer to anything that I have worked on as CMT or our. Ask any CMT member if I "steal their credit".

I say that he is pissed at me because I have a beta, because one day he leaves me alone, and once I invite him to play the beta, (which I later learned he does not have) he comes on the forums trying to take me down like a total moron.

[supersniper]

oh so ur saying hes just Jealous!!!

[Dole]

Besides, stop instigating affairs that don't concern you, nublets..

[DaneO'Roo]

^ TBH. Let the shit die. Both parties are being FUCKING CHILDISH. Even more so, yourself Wave. No one started this shit, no one picked at your mod, no one did anything to you, and then all of a sudden you start with this shit? How old are you. No one on the team fucking cares about this bullshit.

We're doing this mod out of fun, and learning.

Do you remember modding out of fun?

We have all evolved SO FUCKING MUCH because of this team, and we never give up, despite constant fucking bashing from the forums and not on our work, rather, bashing on US.

Whenever someone critiques our work fairly, we take it on board and we discuss it. If they be an idiot and disregard obvious facts that were put in place, we correct them, and If they refuse to read information, we give up on them.

We love doing what we do, and we get enjoyment out of it, and personally, you can keep the serious bullshit to yourself. Posting it all over the forums and winging about Masterz its, just fucking childish man. Don't stoop. Just get the fuck over it and go keep to your totally awesome mod, we never ever picked a fight with you. You started this, I suggest you end it, and quit being a sook.

[teh lag]

^ TBH. This argument just needs to be dropped, regardless of who did what.

[Masterz1337]

Total Win right there Dano.

[Dole]

No love for me? :(
I took a lot of flak because Pooky felt like coming out of the closet, ya know...

[Ki11a_FTW]

wth how did you get the h3 beta if it doesnt come out until tomrow

[Bad Waffle]

you know what dano? you're completely right. what you said is what i've been trying to tell MYSELF for a while. i totally love that you just came out and said it! so...I keep looking at the past. I'm going to be the better man, and im going to drop this. Who CARES is masters doesnt improve, as long as he stays the fuck away from me? I've said every single thing i've ever wanted to say.

Ugh, so much shit has happened, im sorry, but i was deeply hurt when my trust was misused. I'm going to just move on, because i care about the community and i am hurting it. i was actually thinking about it today a great deal, and well, masters is going to keep being the way until he dies. Let me explain why this was brought up again, with the topic. in my life, i take many advanced classes, do many activities, and well, i try too hard to be honest. I forgot what it was to just relax and live...and it bit me in the ass. I have hit a wall in my life right now, i'm just trying to figure out how to overcome it...and this was just a mistake i had to make before i learned.

As i'm learning, everybody makes mistakes, but its the best to apologize, and forgive. so like i said again...i'm going to be better for my own sake. So, i'm going to pick my battles differently, because if you fight with idiots he's gonna drag you down and beat you with experience. So long, masters. And don't think dano is on your side, he's telling you to shape up as well. Hope you fix your mod up.

[ExAm]

wth how did you get the h3 beta if it doesnt come out until tomrow
F&F invite.

[JDMFSeanP]

you know what dano? you're completely right. what you said is what i've been trying to tell MYSELF for a while. i totally love that you just came out and said it! so...I keep looking at the past. I'm going to be the better man, and im going to drop this. Who CARES is masters doesnt improve, as long as he stays the fuck away from me? I've said every single thing i've ever wanted to say.

Ugh, so much shit has happened, im sorry, but i was deeply hurt when my trust was misused. I'm going to just move on, because i care about the community and i am hurting it. i was actually thinking about it today a great deal, and well, masters is going to keep being the way until he dies. Let me explain why this was brought up again, with the topic. in my life, i take many advanced classes, do many activities, and well, i try too hard to be honest. I forgot what it was to just relax and live...and it bit me in the ass. I have hit a wall in my life right now, i'm just trying to figure out how to overcome it...and this was just a mistake i had to make before i learned.

As i'm learning, everybody makes mistakes, but its the best to apologize, and forgive. so like i said again...i'm going to be better for my own sake. So, i'm going to pick my battles differently, because if you fight with idiots he's gonna drag you down and beat you with experience. So long, masters. And don't think dano is on your side, he's telling you to shape up as well. Hope you fix your mod up.

You can never be a better man and drop something when you started it.

[rossmum]

Personaly evo models havent made me feel anything, except for that cool rifle reaper man made. You PLAN to make a custom campaign, We also have custom SP maps in development. I'm not going to bash your mod, even though you decided to bash ours. I am interested in your gameplay complaints, as people seem to either A. Have no complaints or B. Do not understand the changes we made, such as grenades.
I didn't personally bash CMT, I merely stated that I disliked some aspects of it which WoL and jcap brought up. I think I already told you the specifics of most of my complaints at some point, so I see no reason in doing so again.


You can never be a better man and drop something when you started it.
This started a LONG time ago. I can't even remember who 'started' it as such.

[AAA]

Glad we've cleared this up,

:lock: after those bugs are fixed, mb?

[Dole]

Well... I really like the mushrooming plume of fire that escapes from the nozzle when the rocket launches (a la Halo 3), but how about the spark exhaust that shoots out the back to push it out (a la Halo 2... and almost definitely Halo 3, too)?

Put a marker at the back end of the firing tube and the flamethrower_jet effect could be used, it's a perfect fit.

[Arteen]

Okay, no more drama. Yay!

Suggestion: Make the Ma5k more useful. I can't get kills with it without someone or something else taking down the shields so I can get a headshot. I might as well just use a pistol. Other people have also mentioned that the gun is too weak.

Suggestion: Try to make the encounters in SP2 different from stock campaign, and more surprising. In SP1, there weren't many significantly different encounters (only Hunters in PoA and new weapons or vehicles in certain areas come to mind).

Bug/Suggestion: The flamethrower feels weird. It doesn't feel as nice as the stock flamethrower for some reason. Maybe make it behave more like the stock flamethrower.

[AAA]

Okay, no more drama. Yay!

Suggestion: Make the Ma5k more useful. I can't get kills with it without someone or something else taking down the shields so I can get a headshot. I might as well just use a pistol. Other people have also mentioned that the gun is too weak.

Suggestion: Try to make the encounters in SP2 different from stock campaign, and more surprising. In SP1, there weren't many significantly different encounters (only Hunters in PoA and new weapons or vehicles in certain areas come to mind).


omfg, thank you, I was about to write a post about this. Except that campaign part...and the flamethrower feels fine, except the nuzzle...fels short and weak. Anyway, I completely agree.

Fix this!

[Dole]

Nozzle*

It doesn't feel short and weak, it feels agile and easy to handle, unlike the big awkward nozzle hanging off the end of a thin pipe.

[ExAm]

I preferred the original flamethrower.

[Pooky]

No love for me? :(
I took a lot of flak because Pooky felt like coming out of the closet, ya know...

You got a lot of flak because you decided to be an ASS and post homophobic bullshit thinking people would agree with you. And if I get banned again for saying that I don't fucking care, but don't assume everyone's going to be afraid of gay people because you are.

[Con]

I think we should just discontinue the shit from now on because it's not going anywhere. Nothing needs to be done, nobody needs to get kicked out. If we all just stop fighting then there won't be a problem. This isn't a CMT vs. community battle as much as it's a Masterz vs. WOL grudge

[{MMT} Pope]

good point.

[rossmum]

It's already over to the best of my knowledge (about fucking time, too), so you guys may as well get back on topic...

[Revord]

Im not a mapper or a modder, so take what I say at face value. I personally have gotten a great deal of enjoyment out of playing the sp mod, as well as the mp maps. I think Ive played the mod more than I have the sp Halo PC. So props to the CMT for making a mod that is INTERESTING!! I havent found any bugs to report, but if there is something that I see that comes up, Ill give yall a shout. To all who have contributed content to the maps and the mod, thank you all very much. I do appreciate the time and effort.
Revord

[Darkbiship]

when taking a hog in the base on Snow grove, if you get out while it's moving you can fly through the gorund or wall and die, I hate that when it happens when I'm about to get the falg