Just another Question

[[BD] Spartan]

I was wondering if there's gonna be as much lag in SPV2 like SPV1?

[teh lag]

You make it sound like we intentionally add it in...

We're doing what we can to make sp2 have higher fps than sp1.

[[BD] Spartan]

No I don't mean it like you put it in intetionally. But ya ok thats good.

[Ki11a_FTW]

yeah, i mainly got bad fps when i shot the elite becuase of the shield

[Mr Buckshot]

Since CMT's mods are doing lots of things that the CE engine wasn't actually meant for, it's not uncommon for performance to be worse than that of Halo PC's when playing custom maps.

It's usually the less powerful machines that lag on uber CE mods, including CMT's, but it's not like superb hardware is needed for decent frames.

Therefore, lag in SPV2 depends on content and how much action goes on screen and so on. I don't fall below 70-ish fps but the CMT maps noticeably perform slower than original Halo PC maps do.

Still, CMT does their best to ensure that the frames don't take too much of a hit on less powerful computers. However, I doubt they'll be catering to anyone with 256 MB of RAM and Intel Extreme Graphics Garbage 2. I think a 2.5Ghz Pentium 4 with 512 MB of RAM and a Radeon 9600 will be sufficient for 30fps on CMT maps.

[zade43]

It does help to have atleast 1 gb of ram.

[Masterz1337]

As long as you have a core 2 duo, something above an ati9700, and a gig of ram you should be fine.

[Revord]

I found recently that going with the Omega drivers for my Radeon 9250 instead of the original ATI drivers reduced the lag I was getting with the hunter beam guns. Makes it much more worthwhile.
Revord

[Warsaw]

SPv1 ran fine for me with a single core CPU and a 7800GT...I think requiring a Core2Duo is a little over the top.

[bleach]

well
I have a Pentium 4 2.53 GHz processor, ATI 9250 :( and 1.024 GB of memory.

[Archon23]

The only way I lagged on the SPv1 was when I got close to a Elite and melee/shoot him. Lagged. like. a. bitch.

Same with the fuel rod beam but that never really was a problem since I always get close enough for em to melee me.

[[BD] Spartan]

Ok thanks guys!

[Mr Buckshot]

Don't worry guys, polar bear's PC was probably tested when they tried to optimize SPV1 to be not so demanding :P sorry polar.

The only time when I lag in SPv1 is if I run FRAPS (it loves to quarter my CE framerates for some reason 0_O)

[KennyownsU]

With all the stuff being put into SPv2, I think the lag will most definately increase. So lower end PCs will not be able to play and might cause some average PCs trouble.

[{G36} SoRRoW]

They did say that it would probably be less laggy than SPv1

[KennyownsU]

They also said that SPv2 will have huge epic battles with 40 characters or so. That will cause the framerate to go down resulting in lag. Most lower end PCs will have trouble with this and people with lower end PCs will get a very bad experience with SPv2. Also, some average PCs will be affected but not as much though. They said that there will be less lag. For who? What type of PCs is SPv2 tested on? In the end, the lower end PCs will be screwed over and so will a few others.

[{G36} SoRRoW]

Henceforth they really can't say less laggy...oh well....we'll just have to see ourselves when it comes out!

[Hotrod]

They also said that SPv2 will have huge epic battles with 40 characters or so.

I don't remember them saying that. Could you give me a link?

[supersniper]

well i have a question to anybody that can answer. i didnt want to make a whole new topic on it but if i have to then i will.

QUESTION
will the CMT website ever be updated??

i know its totally off topic but i was just wondering.

[nooBBooze]

They also said that SPv2 will have huge epic battles with 40 characters or so. That will cause the framerate to go down resulting in lag. Most lower end PCs will have trouble with this and people with lower end PCs will get a very bad experience with SPv2. Also, some average PCs will be affected but not as much though. They said that there will be less lag. For who? What type of PCs is SPv2 tested on? In the end, the lower end PCs will be screwed over and so will a few others.
if you are running spv2 on a lower end pc and you are about to lag out, keep looking on the floor and occasionall throw some nades.
you could also start playing max payne 2 to get used to slow motion combat.:awesome:
but seriously spv1 on low end sucked bad and i mean REAL bad.

[Mr Buckshot]

All I can say is, those of you with Intel GMA 950s or Radeon 9200s are probably screwed.

[Warsaw]

True. You will probably need a Radeon 9800/GeForce 5950 or better to get decent frame rates.

[Revord]

I have a Radeon 9250, and have to dumb down the settings some to get descent rates. However, I recently installed Omega drivers for my card instead of the "approved" drivers, and have experienced better results. Its something worth trying. At least until upgrade time comes ;)
Revord

[Masterz1337]

I suggest that everyone should have a 9800 Pro or higher for SPV2. Anything else, and you will be missing out.

[[BD] Spartan]

Here, I installed an GeoForce 7800GS on my computer with a 1.5 gigs of ram. Good enough for high settings?

[Masterz1337]

Should be, my laptop specs are slightly higher, and it runs it fine for the most part. A few hiccups, but mostly due to units with no LODs.

[Mr Buckshot]

Spartan;94606']Here, I installed an nvidia 7800gs on my computer with a 1.5 gigs of ram. good enough for high settings?

Yes, you can run high settings on Halo/CE and perform well on CMT's SPV2. Not only that, but games that are significantly more demanding than Halo will run well too :)

Masters, a 9800 Pro as the minimum? My initial guess was a Radeon 9600/Geforce FX 5700 - those are SM2.0 4-pipe cards with 128-bit bus and decent clock speeds. But since there's going to be tons of onscreen action, I guess an 8-pipeline card will be necessary for all the visual treats.

[KntTader]

Well I have 2 Nvidia 8800 GTXs in SLI so I have nothing to worry about. LOL I feel sorry for everyone who has any kind of PCI card. PCI-E is where it at these days.:p

[Warsaw]

Even though most PCI-Express cards don't use the entire 16x bandwidth...:v.

[Haloking365]

Even though most PCI-Express cards don't use the entire 16x bandwidth...:v.
Mine does... I think. EVGA Geforce 8800GTS 640mb?

[Duck_Season]

I got bad lag with spv1 during a few parts but it was not enough to take my enjoyment away. but overall i got good FPS, the levels with the flood were the worst on my machine. I just had to make sure all my virus protection and firewalls were off and it ran alot better.

[KntTader]

I got bad lag with spv1 during a few parts but it was not enough to take my enjoyment away. but overall i got good FPS, the levels with the flood were the worst on my machine. I just had to make sure all my virus protection and firewalls were off and it ran alot better.

When I play Halo my FPS are like 200 FPS, its impossible for me to lag, (trust me iv tried to cause lag , but it just wont happen) LOL:p

[Warsaw]

I have 200 fps with only a single 7800GT, 1GB of RAM, and a single-core AMD Athlon 64 3200+...what does that tell you about your SLi set up right there?

[Kelzorz]

well SPv1 laggs when there is a lot of blood on the ground or a lot of dust :eekdance:

[Warsaw]

So does Halo XBOX, and regular Halo PC.

[KntTader]

I have 200 fps with only a single 7800GT, 1GB of RAM, and a single-core AMD Athlon 64 3200+...what does that tell you about your SLi set up right there?

Dude I wasn't actually waiting to see how high my FPS could go I just turned FPS off my screen once it got passed 200.

I got 340 FPS on DOOM 3 this morning :p

MY RIG:
- 2 Nvidia 8800 GTXs in SLi
- Core 2 Extreme QX6700 Processor (Quad Core)
- P6N Diamond Motherboard
- 4 GB of RAM
- "22" Monitor
- Raptor 160 GB 10,000 RPM Hard Drive x4
- Cordless Optical Mouse
- Cordless Keyboard
- Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi Elite Pro 7.1 Sound Card
- CD-ROM Drive
- DVD-ROM Drive
- HP-J8713A-ProCurve Switch zl 1500W Power Supply
- Silverstone TJ07-S ATX Full-Tower Aluminum Case
- Liquid Cooling + Fans

[AAA]

MY RIG:
- 2 Nvidia 8800 GTXs in SLi
- Core 2 Extreme QX6700 Processor (Quad Core)
- P6N Diamond Motherboard
- 4 GB of RAM
- "22" Monitor
- Raptor 160 GB 10,000 RPM Hard Drive x4
- Cordless Optical Mouse
- Cordless Keyboard
- Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi Elite Pro 7.1 Sound Card
- CD-ROM Drive
- DVD-ROM Drive
- HP-J8713A-ProCurve Switch zl 1500W Power Supply
- Silverstone TJ07-S ATX Full-Tower Aluminum Case
- Liquid Cooling + Fans

I envy you with every inch of my body:(

[Sunray]

Dude I wasn't actually waiting to see how high my FPS could go I just turned FPS off my screen once it got passed 200.

I got 340 FPS on DOOM 3 this morning :p

MY RIG:
- 2 Nvidia 8800 GTXs in SLi
- Core 2 Extreme QX6700 Processor (Quad Core)
- P6N Diamond Motherboard
- 4 GB of RAM
- "22" Monitor
- Raptor 160 GB 10,000 RPM Hard Drive x4
- Cordless Optical Mouse
- Cordless Keyboard
- Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi Elite Pro 7.1 Sound Card
- CD-ROM Drive
- DVD-ROM Drive
- HP-J8713A-ProCurve Switch zl 1500W Power Supply
- Silverstone TJ07-S ATX Full-Tower Aluminum Case
- Liquid Cooling + FansYou must have a lot of money. In your computer specs it says you have 2 Radeon HD 2900s. I wish I had enough money for 4 dx10 graphics cards :(

[Warsaw]

Waste of money in my opinion. But hey, that's just me.

[KntTader]

You must have a lot of money. In your computer specs it says you have 2 Radeon HD 2900s. I wish I had enough money for 4 dx10 graphics cards :(

I had 2 Radeon HD 2900 cards but I returned them because they are screwed up. They didnt work properly so I returned them and got 2 Nvidia 8800 GTXs instead LOL:D:p

[bleach]

I wish I had your computer.
NVIDIA>ATI :) in my opinion.

[Mr Buckshot]

No less than 70-80 fps on a 7600 GT. Yes, seven-SIX-zero-zero. Halo wasn't that demanding anyway. On the Halo PC I can get over 100 fps.

While high framerates are nice, here's the thing: can the human eye really tell the difference the higher the numbers get? Sure, 20 fps is a big difference from 30 fps, but 200 fps doesn't appear to be much of a difference from 100 fps. Heck, your movie theaters screen at 24 fps.

So about SPV2, those of you with dual 8800's like KNT are...lucky.

lmao yeah PCI-based video cards are not good for gaming, heck, they lag on basic display features as well. Even modern integrated cards (Geforce 6150, Radeon X200) beat PCI-based cards (except the very best which are the Geforce 6200 and Radeon X1300). Those of you without AGP or PCI-e, you might want a new rig altogether.

Exactly how many full-sized warriors are you planning to throw onscreen at once, Masters?

[AAA]

While high framerates are nice, here's the thing: can the human eye really tell the difference the higher the numbers get? Sure, 20 fps is a big difference from 30 fps, but 200 fps doesn't appear to be much of a difference from 100 fps. Heck, your movie theaters screen at 24 fps.

Exactly how many full-sized warriors are you planning to throw onscreen at once, Masters?

Ontopic: I was thinking that exact same thing last week. Would you want a better processor and more Ram to make it run smoother? (yeah graphics card to handle more graphics on screen, but that's not included in what I'm trying to ask here) and your screen would have to have a nice video card for that ther monitor to handle 150> fps >_>


offtopic: and it's probably gonna be one hell of a lag fest on b30 and up. I've got a ATI Radeon 9200 and my comp can barely stand yoyorast with x640x480 and the rest at max. 850 MHz AMD Athlon Processor and--HOLY SHIT. 256 MB of Ram :(................anyone think I should grab a new comp if I'm going to be playing any of the new maps that are coming out? such as yoyrast v2?

[Warsaw]

New computers are [almost] always good.

[Haloking365]

I believe the human eye only sees at 60fps, but your better off wiki-ing it.

[FRain]

As long as you have a core 2 duo, something above an ati9700, and a gig of ram you should be fine.

Hmmmm, will an AMD processor, Geforce 6200 256 overclocked and a gig of ram work? I sure hope so.

[Warsaw]

I have a single core CPU and ran SPv1 without hiccups (albeit on a 7800GT), so I wouldn't worry about the CPU. I don't think you'll be able to max out on the details though.

[Random]

I believe the human eye only sees at 60fps, but your better off wiki-ing it.

True however higher frame rates will still appear notably smoother and realistic.

[Mr Buckshot]

Hmmmm, will an AMD processor, Geforce 6200 256 overclocked and a gig of ram work? I sure hope so.

what is the speed of that processor?

RAM is excellent.

Video card is fine for Halo but you will probably lag to death if there are like 20+ enemies (not counting Flood spores) onscreen at once firing automatic weapons.

Holy crap Warsaw, I just realized your CPU and video card are exactly the same as Reaper Man's!

[Warsaw]

That was said on =EP= a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away....:p.

You should swap that 6200 for at least a 6600GT if you get the chance.

[RedBaron]

You should be fine if you have at least 512 mb of ram and a video card that is in the mid GeForce 6 family or the ATI equivalent. Remember, this is still halo we are talking about, no matter how many bells and wistles are added on, it still runs on the same graphics engine. Now if you want to avoid lag when seeing a lot of units, you would need a CPU of I would say at least 2ghz, 3 to be safe.(I pitty anyone who still uses a CPU that is only in the mhz). And if you are goin to upgrade a video card, its not worth it for the money unless you jump a complete family, for example the 6200 to the 7200.

As for me:
GeForce 7600GT
3.2 ghz CPU
2 gigs of ram

I ran SPV1 with no lag, ever. Ever. My system is already overkill for it (largely because of the ram maybe and I can run Oblivion on high), and theres people here with SLI setups! Bah, you guys shouldn't even be playing halo. As for me, it's summer and I'm bored out of my mind. The only time when there were a few chugs for me was during Two Betrayals, when 25-50 or so flood all fired SMGs and BRs with glitched audio files at the same time. That has nothing to do with one's system though, it's the game engine trying to dish out everything and keep up until you kill every single last flood in hand to hand mortal kombat. So here's what I have to say, CMT please don't force out more frames by sacrificing graphics and content. If you can fix LODs and reduce polycount while making units look better at the same time, then go crazy. But don't water down the original content just so you make it so that people with inferior PCs can run it smoothly. I might be being a little selfish, but the demands for this mod aren't that high. It's time for you people to stop living in 1999 and upgrade/replace your rigs.

[Warsaw]

AMD chips never reach 3GHz stock, because they don't need to. Having said that, I'd recommend having an AM Athlon 64 3000+ or better.

[Huero]

my computer is old and crappy but I didn't notice any lag in SPv1

[Mr Buckshot]

AMD chips never reach 3GHz stock, because they don't need to. Having said that, I'd recommend having an AM Athlon 64 3000+ or better.

true, and to elaborate: for AMD chips the Ghz doesn't matter, but the four-digit number can be compared to a Pentium equivalent. So an AMD Athlon 64 3000+ is as efficient as a 3.0Ghz Intel Pentium 4. An AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ is as efficient as a 3.8 Ghz Intel Pentium D (a dual-core P4). You know the drill.

Those of you with CPUs that have surpassed the Pentium days won't need to worry.

[[BD] Spartan]

Tried it for SPV1, other CMT maps, and no hiccups at all. :D

[Huero]

Not everyone has as much money as you do; we can't afford a new computer.
^In response to Mr. Richy-rich DELTA_011something or another as I am too lazy to quote

[RedBaron]

Like I said, the demands arent that high. You can buy the card I have for around only $120 on tigerdirect.com. And ram is dropping in price weekly. Now for those who don't work yet, it might be harder to buy these things, but realistically, its not all that expensive.

Now what I cant understand is why people are going out and buying the 8800gtx for $600. You can buy a 360 or PS3 with that money!

[KntTader]

Now what I cant understand is why people are going out and buying the 8800gtx for $600. You can buy a 360 or PS3 with that money!

Dude I have a computer thats worth about $7000 and it has 2 Nvidia 8800 GTXs in Sli. I also have xbox 360 elite, PS3 and Wii. My point is if you have alot of money then go wild. :XD:

[RedBaron]

Your kind are truely gifted. See, I'm not the kind of Mr. Richy-rich that huerosam makes me out to be.

[Warsaw]

Dude I have a computer thats worth about $7000 and it has 2 Nvidia 8800 GTXs in Sli. I also have xbox 360 elite, PS3 and Wii. My point is if you have alot of money then go wild. :XD:

Or invest it in something else a little more worthwhile...

[Hotrod]

Such as what?

[Mr Buckshot]

Get all those consoles but get a computer that's not as powerful yet much cheaper. No games out there will push those SLI'ed 8800GTX's to their limits yet (I doubt even Crysis will force those cards). I think one 8800GTX is more than enough (heck the retail shelf version in Canada costs more than my entire computer).