Weapon thoughts

[t3h m00kz]

Well, I've been playing CMT_SnowGrove lately (haven't we all?) and I've got to praise you all for the amount of work you all've put into this.

However, I'd like to point out a few weapon balance issues. I'm not sure if this has been addressed already but I figured I'd give my own two cents. Not to be a total bitchy boss or anything; I know you guys are working on the SPV2 and everything, but you know, it's good to have a little constructive criticism to help. ;p

I mean seriously. It's getting annoying having to hear people bitch about how much BS the pistol is in your servers, how useless the Spiker is, etc. So rather than bitching about it in the server where it won't help anything, I figured I'd address it here.. makes sense, right?

Plasma Rifle:

A tad underpowered; I'd suggest giving it a bit more of a kick, probably take away the stun feature. But that's just my tastes.

Plasma Pistol:

Good the way it is, H1 plasma > all others. (Save for H3 of course lol.)

Assault Rifle:

People whine that it's omg overpowered, omg it's too strong omg. But honestly I like it. It's a very nice improvement, and honestly works very well with the Halo CE netcode. I used to think it'd be better if it could headshot, but I thought about it, and it's honestly good the way it is.

Sniper Rifle:

Good the way it is. Sniping was perfect to begin with, you guys kept it that way.

Pistol:

WAY too overpowered; I'm not usually one to whine seeing as I'm always using the thing. I manage to get three shot kills all the time. However, in comparison to all the other weapons, it seems to just render most of them useless. It's kind of bizarre that a sidearm is the second strongest single-shot weapon aside from the sniper rifle, no? Although at this point I'm relatively sure you're all planning on toning it down, which is good. I'm not saying make it exactly like the one from Halo 3, but at the very least, I'd like to see the damage reduced, MAYBE take away the scope? Let's face it; if a noob sees a pistol he's going to think "HMM A SIDEARM, IT MUST SUCK!" but at the same time, he keeps getting popped in the head with it, not knowing what the fuck killed him. That's probably what turns most noobs people off from Halo PC; the extremely overpowered side-arm. Whatever happens though, as long as it doesn't suck ass as much as the Halo 2 one, it'll rock.

Carbine:

Honestly I used to thing the thing sucked.. but I played with nothing but the AR and Carbine today, and I realized how much ownage the singlefire/headshot feature is. I didn't realize how accurate the damn thing is at a distance; and it's really useful. Hard to fight at close range when I'm always popping people in the head at a longer range, so I never really got to use the full auto that much, a few times but not too much. >D Brilliant gun.

Spiker:

Well, I'm sure you all are working on this ;p Seems a bit underpowered.. not accurate enough.. the melee's quite nice though.

Rockets:

Power weapons are supposed to be powerful.

Shotgun:

VERY nice; my favorite custom shotgun so far. I like the way you implemented the server-side hit detection with it; honestly it makes it easier to lead with. Maybe it's just because I was a UT player, and the weapons from UT were similar to the netcode of the shotgun. If I had my way I'd make all the bullets from the CMT guns come out server-side. But I'm not making it, so.. I won't complain. Great job nonetheless. ;p

Needler:

Well, honestly it's still a bit underpowered. Between that and an AR I'd pick an AR. I'd say increase the speed of the needles, as well as the damage they do. The new skin you all have given it is absolutely beautiful, and the reload is the best I've ever seen.

Spartan Lazer:

Whatever you do with this thing rocks. H3 style or the way you have it now, it's all good. SHOOP DA WHOOP Killionaire!!!


Anyway, I'm just posting my two cents; I'm not saying "OMG THE GAME SHOULD BE LIKE THIS MAKE IT THIS WAY D:<" I'm aiming for supplying you all with constructive criticism. I'm sure everyone else has their own opinions about the weapons and the amount of damage they do; these are mine. ;p

Any other thoughts anyone?

[[BD] Spartan]

I agree with you with everything except:

Pistol: It's fine the way it is. I love it.

Plasma Rifle: Not underpowered

Needler: Same as PR

[Warsaw]

The stun feature is the only thing that makes me use the Plasma Rifle during multi-player in the first place.

[supersniper]

Yes I agree with Warsaw. If you took out that feature it would decrease the usage of the weapon.

Also with the needler it is fine the way it is.

Also a note on the Spartan Laser it is being totally redone so say good bye to triple kill and say hello to killtacular!

[TrU7H]

Yeah same. However, the pistol should fire slower as to balance out the overpowered objection. Oh and I STILL think that the AR's animation(except the melee) should be faster compared to the one that Masterz made.

[RedBaron]

You dish out the occational 3 headshot pistol kill in a milisecond to a noob thats running in a straight line. He goes "WTF" in the server chat, and accuses you of aimbot. This gets everyone's attention and they all start spamming and flaming the server chat. You are definitely not aim hacking, and you can say so, but that would make them think you are even more. You are at a completely loss, almost in danger of being banned, and you have no choice but to quit, all because you dished out honest pwning to some retarded noob that doesn't know shit about the pistol and taking tactical formations when moving without cover.

^well that happens to me half the time I decide to use the pistol. Just throwing this out there, if anyone else has had similar experiences, I don't think the pistol needs changing at all.

PR covers WAY too much of the screen. And yeah, needler needs to be beefed up like bungie did for halo 2, and the spiker could use some more accuracy.

[t3h m00kz]

You dish out the occational 3 headshot pistol kill in a milisecond to a noob thats running in a straight line. He goes "WTF" in the server chat, and accuses you of aimbot. This gets everyone's attention and they all start spamming and flaming the server chat. You are definitely not aim hacking, and you can say so, but that would make them think you are even more. You are at a completely loss, almost in danger of being banned, and you have no choice but to quit, all because you dished out honest pwning to some retarded noob that doesn't know shit about the pistol and taking tactical formations when moving without cover.

^well that happens to me half the time I decide to use the pistol. Just throwing this out there, if anyone else has had similar experiences, I don't think the pistol needs changing at all.

PR covers WAY too much of the screen. And yeah, needler needs to be beefed up like bungie did for halo 2, and the spiker could use some more accuracy.

Glad you agree about the needler and spiker, but I believe you mean the needler needs to be more beefed like in Halo 3, not Halo 2 ;p

As for the pistol; I didn't want to go into detail, but here's my side of it; I try to keep things in an objective point of view.

While the pistol does take the most skill out of any other weapon to get a three shot kill, you have to admit that if you've got the pistol, chances are you're not really going to swap it for anything other than probably a sniper rifle.

Another thing is, pwning noobs turns those noobs off of the game, they have less fun, and in turn, you get less players and less of a community. Chances are noobs don't know how to lead shots, noobs don't realize the pistol (which looks like a SIDEARM mind you) is a threeshot kill weapon, noobs don't expect it, and the time it takes for three shots to hit, they usually don't have time to retaliate.

Noob: "OH LOOK ITS A PISTOL, I bet it sucks because it's a sidearm. so I'm gonna use my AR ROFL"

It may be just because I'm not really too fond of pissing people off unless they're complete utter douche bags, but I just kinda feel bad for noobs who have no idea what hit them, and are probably screaming at their computers from how pissed off they are ;p I'd rather them going like "Oh he had a strong gun, that makes sense but I'm still pissed off at this netcode" rather than being "That was with a fucking pistol? HOLY SHIT HE MUST BE HACKING!"

If the pistol looked more like a rifle of some sort, it'd make more sense; rifles are powerful. Pistols are usually not as powerful as rifles. If the Pistol had a rifle-type of model, it'd make more sense, but with the way it is now, it's just kind of unrealistic.

Yes, it has huge explosive bullets, but not everyone's going to realize that. Not everyone knows everything about the Halo universe, they just dump right into playing the game.

Just saying dude ;p

[Masterz1337]

Yeah same. However, the pistol should fire slower as to balance out the overpowered objection. Oh and I STILL think that the AR's animation(except the melee) should be faster compared to the one that Masterz made.
I never made AR anims. Most of the stuff you guys talked about has been changed, the AR though, is less powerfull, and the Ma5K is more powerfull.

[teh lag]

Oh and I STILL think that the AR's animation(except the melee) should be faster compared to the one that Masterz made.

Masterz hasn't animated a weapon in his life.

[t3h m00kz]

I never made AR anims. Most of the stuff you guys talked about has been changed, the AR though, is less powerfull, and the Ma5K is more powerfull.

Omg Ma5K = <3.

Can't wait to see the new one ;p

(Yes I'm a fucking suck up; it's what I'm good at.)

[RedBaron]

I don't realize that there are noobs until after I kill them and they start screaming all over the chat. They are enemies to me just the same. And there is never ever a shortage in noobs in any game/forum. If its noob populating the servers than I wouldn't really even feel like playing. Thats my stand on things, not like halo CE, or video games for that matter, is the only thing left to play in the whole universe. Mingebags will always be out there, waiting, watching. (hehe War of the Servers)

Still the only thing that bugs me is how the plasma rifle clutters the screen. The needler animations are far better than bungie's and for me, that makes up for the strength. Not like I ever use it anyway.

Oh and I guess you might misunderstand me when I use the term noob. I am not exactly against all new players to a game. The future of the game is in their hands after all. When I say noob, I am referring to those annoying a-hole players who never learn no matter how long they have played, or players who have just started playing a game but does not have the tolerence to learn to begin with. Hence the people who are jumping to rash conclusions like "AIMBOT, BAN THAT MOFO". Sure I make those kinds of conclusions myself, but after I get killed, I observe my killer and see if he is continuously getting these cheap 1-4 shot kills, and if everyone else is experiencing and complaining about the same thing.

And my definition of a halo CE noob extends to those who are portal blockers. God I want to rip their eyes out...

[KntTader]

I don't realize that there are noobs until after I kill them and they start screaming all over the chat. They are enemies to me just the same. And there is never ever a shortage in noobs in any game/forum. If its noob populating the servers than I wouldn't really even feel like playing. Thats my stand on things, not like halo CE, or video games for that matter, is the only thing left to play in the whole universe. Mingebags will always be out there, waiting, watching. (hehe War of the Servers)

Still the only thing that bugs me is how the plasma rifle clutters the screen. The needler animations are far better than bungie's and for me, that makes up for the strength. Not like I ever use it anyway.

Oh and I guess you might misunderstand me when I use the term noob. I am not exactly against all new players to a game. The future of the game is in their hands after all. When I say noob, I am referring to those annoying a-hole players who never learn no matter how long they have played, or players who have just started playing a game but does not have the tolerence to learn to begin with. Hence the people who are jumping to rash conclusions like "AIMBOT, BAN THAT MOFO". Sure I make those kinds of conclusions myself, but after I get killed, I observe my killer and see if he is continuously getting these cheap 1-4 shot kills, and if everyone else is experiencing and complaining about the same thing.

And my definition of a halo CE noob extends to those who are portal blockers. God I want to rip their eyes out...

Yes, I hate N00bs too. All they do is bitch and complain every time you kill them because of there lack of skill. I wish I knew where all those N00bs live so I can find them and kick there asses "Jay and silent Bob style.":mad:

Death to all noobs!!!:p

[TrU7H]

Yeah I hate that too. And to Lag and Masterz, I was just saying, it looked a bit too slow, I never said Masterz animated the AR.

Booooooo: the AR has been degraded!? Nooooo, it's not as powerful anymore...*sob*

[Archon23]

Oh and I STILL think that the AR's animation(except the melee) should be faster compared to the one that Masterz made.

Well you said he animated SOMETHING, and he never has animated a rifle ever IIRC.

[Warsaw]

I never made AR anims. Most of the stuff you guys talked about has been changed, the AR though, is less powerfull, and the Ma5K is more powerfull.

Why on Earth is the MA5k stronger than the MA5C now? They both shoot the same bullet, and since the MA5C has a longer barrel, it has a higher muzzle energy.

[t3h m00kz]

I don't realize that there are noobs until after I kill them and they start screaming all over the chat. They are enemies to me just the same. And there is never ever a shortage in noobs in any game/forum. If its noob populating the servers than I wouldn't really even feel like playing. Thats my stand on things, not like halo CE, or video games for that matter, is the only thing left to play in the whole universe. Mingebags will always be out there, waiting, watching. (hehe War of the Servers)

Still the only thing that bugs me is how the plasma rifle clutters the screen. The needler animations are far better than bungie's and for me, that makes up for the strength. Not like I ever use it anyway.

Oh and I guess you might misunderstand me when I use the term noob. I am not exactly against all new players to a game. The future of the game is in their hands after all. When I say noob, I am referring to those annoying a-hole players who never learn no matter how long they have played, or players who have just started playing a game but does not have the tolerence to learn to begin with. Hence the people who are jumping to rash conclusions like "AIMBOT, BAN THAT MOFO". Sure I make those kinds of conclusions myself, but after I get killed, I observe my killer and see if he is continuously getting these cheap 1-4 shot kills, and if everyone else is experiencing and complaining about the same thing.

And my definition of a halo CE noob extends to those who are portal blockers. God I want to rip their eyes out...

Yeah lol your definition of noob and mine are two different things ;p

When I was referring to "noob" I meant people who are actually, you know, new to the game. People who are just getting into it, people who, you know, have potential, as opposed to people who play the game, brag, but suck at the same time all while trying to run the server, yelling "OMG BAN" every time they get killed.

Those people are assholes D:<

But.. yeah, I teleport camp sometimes, but only when I'm bored ;p

Pertaining to the needler comment, I agree. I never pick it up either, because let's face it, it's pretty useless. But I guarantee it'd be more kick-ass it if it were more like this:

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Now I'm not saying it should be just like in Halo 3, but if it's one thing H3 had it was weapon balance. Every gun is useful, and whatever you walk over you consider picking up.

[RedBaron]

Teleport block as in parking a hog right over the green glowing thingy. God I just got out of a round of Snow Grove (you guessed it, and its one that lasts forever until 3 flags were scored too) and everyone was camping with rocket hogs aimed at the teleporters. None of the other team even had any skill (neither did mine for that matter). I got the flag and was going back on foot, and I still managed to kill 3 enemies who clearly saw and was shooting at me. I ended up quiting with 75 kills and 36 deaths cursing my way out because some of the rocket campers actually had more kills than me (but twice as much deaths). It's rounds like those that makes me want to crack my halo disc in half.

Well anyways, from the H3 video, it looks like the ammo capacity was reduced for the needler, but it takes less shots (about half from H1) to create the large explosion. I never got the beta and never saw that before...

[Masterz1337]

Why on Earth is the MA5k stronger than the MA5C now? They both shoot the same bullet, and since the MA5C has a longer barrel, it has a higher muzzle energy.
Because it plays better?

[Jay2645]

I wish I knew where all those N00bs live so I can find them and kick there asses "Jay and silent Bob style.":mad:
YES! I KNEW I WAS AWESOME!
Anyway, my suggestions:

Raise the potency of the Battle Rifle nade. I score direct hits with the thing, and it barely takes out their shields. Lower the ammo capacity for the nade launcher, and raise it to at least severely damage them with a direct hit, if not a one-hit (Not splash damage) kill. If you were hit by a flying grenade that detonates on impact, you wouldn't look too good afterwards.
Needler needs to have less homing. There are noobs in every server I go to that camp with the damn thing, and I try to avoid the needles, but they track me down and kill me. If I ever do manage to evade a round of needles, I begin to fire at the source of them as another round of needles come my way, which I have some trouble avoiding.
Plasma Rifle... I have no incentive to pick it up. I would much rather have my (Epic Win) Plasma Pistol then a Plasma Rifle.
Spiker needs to deal more damage with less spread. Also, just a suggestion that I know you guys are implementing, make it so the Spiker, Brute Plasma Rifle, and Brute Shot automatically have Spike Nades as the secondary fire.
Flamer is my close range weapon of choice, besides the shotty. It needs to be able to go for 3-4 seconds straight, then overheat, but be able to deal more damage. Also, I would like to see the flames spread over the ground similar to the old Spartan Laser, and see the secondary fire be the new H3 fire nade.
You guys need more custom weapons, not ones from the books or other games. I came up with the Radiation Launcher, a weapon that shoots similar to the Fuel Rod, but instead of instant death from the explosion, anyone caught in the radius is killed as if they were hit by a flamer, nice and slowly, with no way of stopping it. It should also skip your shields, since shields have little effect against radiation, and leave a person with full health with 1 bar of health. I'm evil, aren't I?
Another custom weapon would be a Covenant version of the Flamethrower. Not quite sure how it'll work, but...Anyway, there's 7 good ideas (Or at least I think so) to hit the ol' noggin with.

[Masterz1337]

We couldn't add in more weapons if we wanted to. Tagspace issues. Not all the SPV2 weapons will be in the mp maps, and some guns will have their texures lower resed.

[ICEE]

hey if everyones doing it...


AR: pretty much perfect in firing/damage... not going to bring up its physical flaws

pistol: fine... just slow down its ROF

br: HATE IT its so unreliable. i only use it for anti-hog

carbine: trusty. i use it for anti-hog, and sometimes long range combat, hard to lead with

rocket launcher: fine the way it is really

splazer: lolz. since its getting a full overhaul i wont go into detail

plasma rifle: basically perfect, high shield damage, high stun, low armor hits... no complaint from this kitteh

plasma pistol: Perfect.

needler: better than normal, just speed up the needlers for gods sake. visually, perfect

sniper rifle: pretty much default

spiker: crappy really, needs accuracy, also the melee make-a me sad

Q-flip function : *gives thumbs up*

[TrU7H]

Well you said he animated SOMETHING, and he never has animated a rifle ever IIRC.
Sorry I meant the video that Masterz made, so sorry for that confusion there.

[Huero]

I found the BR to be very reliable.

[Archon23]

Well.

Pistol: RoFs really high. I mean your dead before you know it if the guy can aim.

Assault Rifle: Pity your lowering the damage it was a great Medium to Close range killer.

Battle Rifle: Its a battle rifle. With a grenade attachment. If you can aim this is a great wep. Though the nades could've used more power.......

MA5K: Didn't really start appreciating this weapon until I was getting kills left and right outside of blue base.

SMG: Devastating at close range. Not so stellar at medium but hey its an SMG.

Sniper Rifle: Well its basically the same as the default one anyway, and that one kicked ass so.

Rocket Launcher: Enemies go boom. Whats not to love?

Splazer: Enemies get burned by a giant laser. Whats not to love?

Flame Thrower: Enemies get Roasted. Whats not to love?

Plasma Pistol: It shoots plasma and can drain shields. More of a utility weapon really.

Plasma Rifle: Good enough. Wouldn't pick one up unless it was my only choice though.

Needler: Good enough. Could tone down the homing though. Its a bit annoying when I find that I can't dodge the needles at their maximum range.

Spiker: Well I've seen the new one and I hope it has more power and accuracy than the MP one.

[Flyboy]

Why on Earth is the MA5k stronger than the MA5C now? They both shoot the same bullet, and since the MA5C has a longer barrel, it has a higher muzzle energy.
He didn't say the Ma5k was stronger than the Ma5c. He said that it got stronger and the Ma5c got weaker, but not the point where they switch places.

[RedBaron]

We couldn't add in more weapons if we wanted to. Tagspace issues. Not all the SPV2 weapons will be in the mp maps, and some guns will have their texures lower resed.

"Some guns" wouldn't include the AR right? Or the Laser right? Or the new SMG right? I suggest that you have different weapons for the maps coming out so that at least we'll see all of the weapons past SPv2, unless of course there's only going to be one multiplayer map after SPv2. And for pity's sake, we need different spawn points for the rocket launcher and laser, like in dissolution. (but not in snow grove, the most played map?)

[Masterz1337]

If it's in the V2 Maps you have nothing to worry about. And there are no plans for a new SMG.

[WaЯReN]

JAY, let me say before I forget...the radiation thingy is an ubergun and these should be avoided....floodguns, nukes, melee guns, any of these should be avoided.

AND A PLASMA FLAMER??? The flamer is an UberNoober to me and I think personally that CMT should kill the flamer.



Pistol: Liked the pistol...no complaints.

Assault Rifle: Liked but not commonly used by myself because I dont like to run out and kill....I sit by and kill idiots looking for the AR and the Spiker for one hit kill melee.

Battle Rifle: Liked its BRG because it was the only thing that separate it from the pistol. Its created a new BxR....its more like Shoot-Grenade-Melee-Teabag.

MA5K: I like it but not so much on Tension...err..Tensity. Its great at far...but up close tis a twitch war.

SMG: Nice for an SMG....never was a fan of h2 smg. This thing however is Secks "C"

Sniper Rifle: Its the same...but its sexier....what I never got with the AR and the CMT sniper....Why the fizzle is their a compass on a ring? How the hell does it work.

Rocket Launcher: Its orgasmic....but the same damn thing.

Splazer: BZZZAZAAAZAZ!! BWAAAAAMM.....YAY ^-^

Flame Thrower: ಠ_ಠ must I ramble on about this damn thing....?

Plasma Pistol: Charge.....shoot....shoot quick shots....PUNCH IN THE FACE.....teabag. WaЯReN's happy...

Plasma Rifle: Glorious stun stops flamer noobs in their crummy little tracks.

Needler: Love the homing, love the look, love the reload...love the gun.
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Hehe, I love that song....

Spiker: Melee may have been a bit much but not too accurate or deadly....melee only reason to pickup.



AND I HAVE SNEAK PREVIEWS OF CMT's NEXT MAPS
http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?Search=arteen
(http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?Search=arteen)
Thanks to those of you who get that...

[Archon23]

I fail to see how the Flamer is an ubernoob weapon while the Rocket Launcher and Splazer aren't.............

[WaЯReN]

no, they are also, but the flamer and Fuel Rod cannon are extremely too easy to use. I like no one hit kill guns that take a little skill at least...sniper I will let slide.

[RedBaron]

And there are no plans for a new SMG.

I meant the new model+skin. It was stated in the collective questions thread magiger by haloking. I saw an unfamiliar SMG in one of Zteam's videos, I wonder if it's going to be that, cause I like the origins for that one, with the bumpy stock in all of it's glory.

[Archon23]

no, they are also, but the flamer and Fuel Rod cannon are extremely too easy to use. I like no one hit kill guns that take a little skill at least...sniper I will let slide.

Uh why the hell would you even consider a sniper a noob weapon? I'm only assuming this since you said you will let it slide.

The Flame Thrower in my opinion doesn't take much skill to use but it actually does take some skill to actually hit your opponent effectively. I've killed many people with the flamer but I've seen skilled players struggle to use it effectively.

Fuel Rod. I won't disagree with you there.

[WaЯReN]

The sniper isn't a noob weapon...I was referring to it as a one-hit killer, as is the RL...but as I pointed out...the sniper can slide because the RL takes no skill and the snipe does. RL: SHOOT AT TEH GRND AND BLOW TEM TEH F@#$ UP!!!1!1 Sniper: Tactfully sit and wait until you can quickly and easily send them quietly to that cold dark lonely train ride to hell.

The flamer takes some time to get to use it without killing yourself...and it keeps on hurting about 15 seconds after the initial flaming.

And luckily CMT had the Buddha-esque grace to not make a CMT version of the FRC....and I hope their isn't in the v3s.

Also...since it was said that their will be a v3 sp mod...will you be using all the mad scripts?

[Flyboy]

I fail to see how the Flamer is an ubernoob weapon while the Rocket Launcher and Splazer aren't.............
Well the spartan laser is only effective at a distance. Try charging that laser in a room against someone with a shot gun, or even an SMG. You'll be dead before the thing is half charged. And the Rocket Launcher is only effective at close to medium range. If you want to try hitting a warthog or infantry man from more than 40ft away without lock-on, your pretty much hopeless (except for the occasional guy who didn't see the slow moving missile moving right into his face).

The flamethrower can douse a room with fire, and unlike the RL, even at close range the splash damage won't kill you if you are careful how you aim it. And don't even get me started with the fuel rod.

Though I agree with you that the flamer isn't uber noob, just noob.

[Archon23]

I just really wish that people would stop calling me a noob when I use heavy weps. Or just a noob when I use any weapon. Hell I've got called a sniper, pistol, AR, and Carbine noob.

[Warsaw]

@WaЯReN: (http://www.h2vista.net/forums/member.php?u=1764) The rocket is supposed to kill in one hit. You have a missile explode at your feet, and tell me you survived.

[TrU7H]

I survived once, but it was because of lag and I ended up with only 1 bar of health left.

By the way, Warren: sneak peek of CMT's next maps? what?

[WaЯReN]

Warsaw...I understand this....but Im not complaining about one rocket. Im complaining about this barrage of flame disguised projectiles flying from the flamer and ripping you apart...long after the trigger has been let go.

And Archy...your not a noob if you use a large weapon...or are good with a certain weapon. People call that being an [gun name] whore, but thats just stupid. If your good with a certain gun and go for it every time you have a chance, thats just using your skills to your advantage. That is NOT being a noob and I agree with you.

Im not calling people with the guns noobs, but merely the guns nooby. Like...say...has anyone played super smash bros? Kirby is a noob character because he can recover from almost any attack and use anyones special abilities. I call weapons nooby when their so easy to use they take no skill what so ever.

And @ TrU7H....lolol. Ask someone else.

[ICEE]

heheheh he posted a link to a halomaps search of arteen. thats the joke... anyways, i cant use a flamethrower to save my life, i always end up getting tangled in my own fire and then its just one long shameful fall to the ground.

http://www.playdeadpics.com/images/photos/lg/11.jpg



sigh

[WaЯReN]

Take a good look at Arteens maps.......and your supposed o run backwards with the flamer so you dont run into your own fire.

[ICEE]

that would be retreating. and IRONCLAD NEVER RETREATS!! I usually die while trying to

[TrU7H]

Yeah I can tell. Hehe. But then again...I hardly run into the flames...so I got no problem there.

[Masterz1337]

Oh booo hooo. Arteen is on CMT, and therefore he's not allowed to revise his old maps. Whoopy Fucking Do. I guess New Mombassa H2 isn't a custom H2CE map either.

[DrunkenSamus]

The like the Plasma Rifle because it doesn't overheat as quickly. When I use it at close range its almost guaranteed I'll get a kill.

[supersniper]

Ugh I remember those days when I played halo trial. OMG every weapon was a noob weapon in Halo Trial expect the pistol and sniper rifle. Thats why I am so good at them. Lol I still remember calling everyone hog noobs and shee noobs and etc.

[Archon23]

Oh god the Halo Trial. I remember we used to get Banshees stuck so people wouldn't use em.

Lets see all the noobs Ive seen and been called. Sprayer, Plasma Pistol, Plasma Rifle, Shotty, Hog, Shee, Rocket, Fuel Rod, Vehicle, Nade.

Oh and the best one out of all of them:

Aim Noob.

[WaЯReN]

lol, well I was picking on cmt with the arteen jokes.

[RedBaron]

Heh, I didn't even know about the trial until about 2 months ago when I decided to go on halo.filefront.com for the first time. I got a copy of halo PC when it very first came out, back when my computer sucked so bad that it would crash loading blood gulch. I didn't even touch the CD until just recently when summer started, and I found SPv1 on filefront...

[ICEE]

i hate when people say grenade noob. theyre a vital part of halo gameplay

[Warsaw]

There is a difference between a well-placed grenade and grenade whoring.

[Archon23]

Can't we have well placed grenade spams? Thats what I do. :eyesroll:

[Jay2645]

I prefer to get 4 plasma nades, hide somewhere where the other team enters a tunnel or something, and stick every bastard that comes into it.

[WaЯReN]

Their IS a difference, but putting infinite grenades and chucking them constantly IS whoring.

[supersniper]

Yes so true. Now halo trial is a competition on who can bot the best. Ugh so many wasted hours trying to crouch and duck while playing. it worked out. But CE is the best out of the Halo Series for the PC

[Uber_Pwner]

hmm.... suprprsed....


No one said anything about how the battle rifles main weapon sucks deuce. Not only is it underpowered, but it doesn't fire as fast as u click the mouse.

[supersniper]

The battle rifle already has a grenade. It is fine the way it is. Therefore it doesn't need to fire as fast as you click.

[Archon23]

It can flip hogs and you can kill with a few headshots. Not much to complain there. I mean you must SUCK at aiming to think its a bad weapon. Fix your sig its breaking rules.

[Huero]

The BRG is awesome, ffs.

[t3h m00kz]

The BRG is awesome, ffs.

Agreed, I just wish it had more balanced uses than anti-vehicle.. like, a bit more splash damage or something

[RedBaron]

No one said anything about how the battle rifles main weapon sucks deuce.

No...., you just don't know how to aim while zoomed in. My suggestions are-

1.)learn how to not get shot at so that you can stay zoomed in
2.)learn how to pull off headshots

[WaЯReN]

I never zoom with the br because its too cluttered.

[RedBaron]

You do know that zooming in makes all 3 bullets hit in the same exact spot in a burst right? I'm not exagerating, its even stated in the collective info thread. Just test it on a wall or something. Zoom in and fire, zoom out and fire next to it. It's dramatically noticable even at around only 10 yards away.

[WaЯReN]

:eek:


did not no....

[t3h m00kz]

No...., you just don't know how to aim while zoomed in. My suggestions are-

1.)learn how to not get shot at so that you can stay zoomed in
2.)learn how to pull off headshots

Yeah, basically what this means, Uber, is:

1.) Strafe a shitload.
2.) Aim above their damn head.

Easy. ;p


You do know that zooming in makes all 3 bullets hit in the same exact spot in a burst right? I'm not exagerating, its even stated in the collective info thread. Just test it on a wall or something. Zoom in and fire, zoom out and fire next to it. It's dramatically noticable even at around only 10 yards away.

Are you saying all three shots will hit in the exact same place? As in, all three compressed into one shot? Or that it's accurate enough that if you aim at one spot and shoot while zoomed it will hit the exact same spot? Just to clear things up ;p

I just tested it, and it's the latter.

[Boba]

the pistol should shoot spartan laser shots 8 of them

[nooBBooze]

^ yer.
makes me angry they are still not working on that >:I

[ICEE]

back on semi topic, but this is something i havent tested or played with... how does a pistol shot compare in damage to a BR shot wherein all three bullets impact the player?

[ImSpartacus]

back on semi topic, but this is something i havent tested or played with... how does a pistol shot compare in damage to a BR shot wherein all three bullets impact the player?

i think the br can actually 3sk, but only on headshots. not tested, but it seems that way. on body shots the br is weaker though.

[t3h m00kz]

back on semi topic, but this is something i havent tested or played with... how does a pistol shot compare in damage to a BR shot wherein all three bullets impact the player?

The pistol's alot stronger, fires relatively fast and is a three shot kill. The BR fires much slower, and is a fourshot kill, and it's not always possible to hit the player with all three bullets.

I think the pistol needs to be toned down so the other weapons are at least usable while fighting it. Hard to believe people think the AR is overpowered, but not the pistol.

There are so many times I want to just go around HSing people with the carbine but I can't because people are always using the pistol.

[WaЯReN]

ok...I just saw CADS brute mauler and wondered "eh....I wonder if I should ask if its gonna be in v3 or if their all gonna be dicks about it and flame me."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF0hby1BuQw
So will it?

[Masterz1337]

No, we have no interest in it. We knew about the mauler before the renders of it were even released.

[WaЯReN]

Fair enough....and I'm glad because this is like one of the only answers that wasn't like "GAWD n00b OF CORSE THEIR NOT GONNA DO IT CUZ THERE CMT!!!!!11!1! GAWD DONT BE AN NEWB!!!"

TY Masterz

[supersniper]

Actually that was the first I actually heard of someone asking if the brute mauler would be in SPv2 so technically your not going to get flammed about it. Well not from me anyways.

[RedBaron]

Whoa, is that weapon in H3, or just a custom? It looks crazy, like a one handed shotgun.(dual wield?)

Oh and warren, I just get turned off by your um, "theme" for your sig and portrait.

[Archon23]

Heh you just guessed it. Brute Mauler, One handed, Dual Wieldable Shotgun.

[t3h m00kz]

Heh you just guessed it. Brute Mauler, One handed, Dual Wieldable Shotgun.


Marathon all over again.

[WaЯReN]

Grrrr....my buddy SiM is a Marathon nut.

[t3h m00kz]

It was a pretty okay game ;p Weapon balance issues and stuff, but hey, thats kinda how it was with all those old games.

[WaЯReN]

OK...and for the record....I like abortion and I like religion....but I don't like religious wars. Religion teaches good morals. I am however atheist. Mainly because, like you, I believe religion is ignorant. I only like it because it has great lessons. And besides...have you ever seen Buddhists go to war? No. and Buddhism is the best religion (in my opinion)

And to get back on track.....are there ANY plans for the plasma pistol? It has always been mediocre and sort of useless. Are you guys gonna make this a weapon I may wanna pick up?

EDIT: Your right Masterz...and I'm sorry for being pompous and then being proven wrong. Bust then should we hate the Romans? They were horrible people...and if you bring up the advances in civilization they made....so did the Nazis...sry. Just an apology.

[t3h m00kz]

Yeah back to weapons lol.

CMT's guns rock

[teh lag]

I don't want to see another thread in this section stoop down to what just happened here.

(For those wondering, there was a fairly heated debate over religion and/or Nazis.)


are there ANY plans for the plasma pistol? It has always been mediocre and sort of useless. Are you guys gonna make this a weapon I may wanna pick up?

Personally, I've thought about that as well, but the only 2 I could think of were :

- Increase melee damage significantly... but I can't think of a very good canonical explanation for why this would be so.
- Increase single bolt damage... this works the best, but would require tedious testing and editing to reduce Grunt AI's damage modifiers so they don't become swarms of death.

[WaЯReN]

....but swarms of death are good.

[Jay2645]

Oh, and the melee could be improved because Spartan's bare fists can kill with one hit, combine that with steel knuckles (Armor plating), and BAM!
See? I can be on topic, too.

[Masterz1337]

- Increase single bolt damage... this works the best, but would require tedious testing and editing to reduce Grunt AI's damage modifiers so they don't become swarms of death.
Or we could edit the damage modifiers silly goose.

[WaЯReN]

while still making the bolts fired strong in the players hands?

[Masterz1337]

Damage modifiers modify the amount of damage something does againt a material ID.

[teh lag]

Or we could edit the damage modifiers silly goose.

:smith:

I never thought of that...

[3xDistilled]

Alternatively, you could increase the speed of the punches rather than the power of each punch.

Fists of Fury??

[t3h m00kz]

It always confused me why a spartan could only melee only one way: with a gun. I mean, come on. They're military trained ubersoldiers, you'd think they'd know a little kung-fu or some shit

[Archon23]

Or have a harder punch. You know a 7 foot tall genetically enhanced human in power armor should have a punch strong enough to bust through an elite. But alas gameplay issues :gonk:

[Flyboy]

Do you want a Kung fu Master...Chief?

[ICEE]

It always confused me why a spartan could only melee only one way: with a gun. I mean, come on. They're military trained ubersoldiers, you'd think they'd know a little kung-fu or some shit


true. i just uploaded some unarmed weapon tags to halomaps, so i guess some people might be using them. basically just meleeing without a gun. not my best work though

[supersniper]

Still sounds interesting.

[DrunkenSamus]

If you could melee without a weapon in the first level...hmm...I'd like to teach those little rats a lesson.

[ICEE]

yea but theyre actually immortal, even with dev they cant be killed

[WaЯReN]

little bastards.....I always wanted to kill some of them with a cool ass Sparta kick into a hole.

[Unggoy]

I've seen a crewman with a pistol killed by another crewman. The pistol was glued onto his hand, you couldn't pick it up.

[DrunkenSamus]

ehh...how? I find that to be hilarious.

[Unggoy]

Well, in order to see that, go through the Piller of Autumn till you see the marine that tells you to follow him. Save last checkpoint and keep loading until one crewman starts shooting the other one and kills him. It takes a while though.

Pictures
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/8294/deadmarinedr6.th.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7929/deadmarine2nq9.th.jpg (http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deadmarine2nq9.jpg)

[Masterz1337]

I'm pretty sure there are scripted to be invincible.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3851/haloce12007090322433732qd5.jpg

[DrunkenSamus]

Are those new blood decals!?

[supersniper]

Woah new pics>> Wow are those spikes from the grenade or the spiker. Also are those the old brutes because they don't look as brute like as Dano's AND TEH LAG'S do?

[teh lag]

Also are those the old brutes because they don't look as brute like as Dano and lag's do?

:smithicide: I'm always forgotten.

And those are the old ones.

[KntTader]

I think thoughs spikes are to thick in terms of diameter, shouldn't they be alot thinner like in the H3
beta?

[DrunkenSamus]

The crewman so survived that. In fact, he's about to sneeze!

[Unggoy]

Wow, the brute is smoking whatever is in that spike. So thats how the got so powerful. Just a note, you probably fixed the friendly fire that can kill those immortal crewman in SPV1. I'll see if I can see a crewman get killed by another crewman when in SPV1 when I feel like it.

[WaЯReN]

well....theirs a dead one right there in the pic masters so apparently not....

[TrU7H]

What? Where? What dead one?

[ICEE]

im appalled by the blood decals... the spikes also are fairly unattractive. the brutes however look incredible

[Huero]

Agreed.

[Haloking365]

Yeah, i dont like the blood decals either. The brute is the old model, and the spikes are a placeholder (i believe).

[ICEE]

i figured those were the old brutes... but still. love em

[WaЯReN]

Um....I like the blood decals! Brutes are blah...but their old so w/e and the spikes are Ugh so I really hope they are place holders.

[supersniper]

:smithicide: I'm always forgotten.

And those are the old ones.
Sorry about that... I edited my post go check it out if you want to.

They are place holders. Tru7h said that in Halogod's topic.

[TrU7H]

YaY! I'm not forgotten! hehehehehehehhehe, I feel so special...but then again....not really....*sobs*
Anyways, I'm not actually sure (around 95&#37; sure that they are) if the spikes are just placeholders, but I hope to (insert whoever you worship's name here) that those spikes are placeholders, they're hidious.

[supersniper]

They are like yellow vomit needles from a needler.

[Unggoy]

They look like frozen urine icicles... gross.

[Masterz1337]

I think the fact it's been established they are placeholders means you don't have to keep complaining about them.

[WaЯReN]

or maybe complaining will get them superfixed? No...no I don't think so. Complaining never speeds up anything....the guys in charge just stop all their hard work to say stupid stuff like "I think the fact it's been established they are placeholders means you don't have to keep complaining about them."

^^^Complaining about complaining^^^

I think ironclad was right....hypocrisy.

[Unggoy]

Well, now about the blood decals, are those final?

[Masterz1337]

No.

[TrU7H]

Speaking of which, since this is going to be released a LONG time after halo 3 comes out, what other new things are you guys gonna put in?

[Hotrod]

Speaking of which, since this is going to be released a LONG time after halo 3 comes out, what other new things are you guys gonna put in?

... How many times does everybody have to say this : Don't ask for release dates. Also, they will tell us what else they are putting if/when they think the time is right.

EDIT : Sorry, I misread what you said. I take back what I said.

[supersniper]

Dude he wasn't asking. So you don't have to be harsh about it.

[WaЯReN]

I didnt see him ask for a release either...but anyways...I liked those blood decals.....whats wrong with them?

[Hotrod]

Dude he wasn't asking. So you don't have to be harsh about it.

Sorry, I misread what he said. I thought he was asking if it was coming out after Halo 3 or not.

[Masterz1337]

Speaking of which, since this is going to be released a LONG time after halo 3 comes out, what other new things are you guys gonna put in?
Nothing from h3.

[WaЯReN]

:lol:Nothing H3....its all CMT stuff:lol:

[TrU7H]

Yeah I know, I never said h3 stuff, I asked WHAT are you putting in, big difference there.

[Masterz1337]

Errrr...

You aske what we are putting in.

I said no H3 Stuff.

Therefore, I told you what we won't be putting in.

[supersniper]

Wow, people please tell who you are talking to in your posts if your not going to quote them, like Dole said some time ago.
Example:

Masterz (size 4 in case you are wondering)
He was talking to Hotrod not you Masterz.

Hotrod
It's ok everyone mis reads stuff sometimes.

[WaЯReN]

Errrr...

You aske what we are putting in.

I said no H3 Stuff.

Therefore, I told you what we won't be putting in.

HAHAHA, I love masterz replies...so full of negative energy and a certain sting to them....:lol:

[ICEE]

HAHAHA, I love masterz replies...so full of negative energy and a certain sting to them....:lol:


and often a backhanded sting that only he feels.


aaaaanywaaaaysss

[TrU7H]

ROFL! Ok, uh...yeah ok Masterz. Answer recieved.
P.S. This thread is getting really off topic.

[WaЯReN]

NO, the answer was about what they were putting in....and he said no h3 stuff...thats very on topic.

[Masterz1337]

Have IQs dropped sharply?

[ICEE]

Have IQs dropped sharply?


would this be planet earth if they hadnt?

and do you mean you wont be making more halo 3 content at all, or are you just saying you wont rip any. it kinda seems odd that no one has made a brute chopper or a mauler (cad and donut aside). it seems like when h2 was on the verge of release, lots of h2 content was quickly whipped up

[WaЯReN]

Was that IQ comment geared towards me masterz?

[Masterz1337]

It was commented towards all the useless posts relating to my original statement/

[WaЯReN]

Any word on the Weildable hunter thingy....you know what I mean.

[Masterz1337]

We have no weildable hunter thingies.

[TrU7H]

*sigh* warren, I meant how this thread was originally for "weapon thoughts" now it's changed into something totally different.

[DrunkenSamus]

It changed into a parallel universe where H3 and CMT does not combine anymore.

[WaЯReN]

I didn't realize that I addressed you in any way tru7h...what are you rambling on about? HEHE jk

And oh well for the thingies....woulda just been a noob gun ne way.



To samus....it was never about h3....they add what they want...hasnt anyone noticed that CMT caters to no ones guide lines but their own?

[TrU7H]

Zomg...Read my sig of what DrukenSamus said! God damn it people...

[WaЯReN]

Exactly.....I correct people I show the mod to on this matter all the time.

[Co Redsonic]

Stun feature on Plasma Rifle..? never noticed it. How does it...? Sorry...im like half noob to CMT....but im no idiot to halo CE

[Archon23]

You realize.......the stun feature is in regular Halo and basically every map that has a plasma rifle (Besides the H2 Clones).

Well if you ever fired at anyone using the PR then you probably have noticed they twitch a hell lot. Also if you ever got fired onto by one you'd notice a slow down.

[WaЯReN]

You go slow-mo and can barely move....my strategy is to PR stun them as I run up to melee.

[Huero]

haha you know whats funny

I NEVER noticed the stun feature
EVER

[Co Redsonic]

Yeah! Welcome to the club! But yeah, i never really noticed that lol.

[TrU7H]

Oh wow....NEVER?! I notice it all the time on snowgrove....just by watching someone shoot someone else with the PR (I hardly ever get shot by the PR because I'm good, but when I do, it's noticable).

[Co Redsonic]

Well SO-RRY! Everyone is too stuck up using the N0ob Pistol...

[WaЯReN]

Its mostly noticeable on Tensity to me because its smaller.

[TrU7H]

Well SO-RRY! Everyone is too stuck up using the N0ob Pistol...
Sorry I didn't mean to yell, but you can even notice the stun with the PP, on any map.

[supersniper]

Well SO-RRY! Everyone is too stuck up using the N0ob Pistol...
Hey that gun is one of the best ONE of a kind. Don't start another argument about this. It is not a noob gun. It is just an overpowered gun in the right hands. So sorry for being good with the pistol. Didn't mean to offend anyone. (Like I care)

PS: I still think the tone down is not necessary!

[TrU7H]

PS: I still think the tone down is not necessary!
Yeah, well, a lot of other people(including me) thinks it's necessary.
On topic: :eek: WHY HASN'T THE BRUTE MAULER BEEN TALKED ABOUT YET?!

[Flyboy]

It has.

[TrU7H]

Really? Must be buried under hundreds of posts then, because I sure as hell don't see any...(sides CAD's animation/model for it, but that doesn't count for me)

[Archon23]

Long story short: No Mauler in SPv2. Maybe MPv3 (Not official, taking guesses here)......

[Unggoy]

Mauler :neckbeard:
and the discussion of the mauler is a few pages back as well as the disscusion of halo 3 content (unknown stuff). No halo 3 content in SPV2:fail:.

[DrunkenSamus]

Highly doubt it though. It would just be a vehicle that can Q flip a million times on contact.

[Archon23]

I wasn't aware that the fact theres a Spiker, Spike nade, Brutes (Based off Halo 3 Armor wise at least), and new Assault Rifle was "No Halo 3 Content in SPv2" Unggoy.......

[Unggoy]

Errrr...

You aske what we are putting in.

I said no H3 Stuff.

Therefore, I told you what we won't be putting in.

I just said what Masterz said, but I know that the H3 AR, spiker, and brutes will be in.

[WaЯReN]

He meant nothing they dont have I guess...no mauler....asked a while back...no tone down for pistol.

[Co Redsonic]

But if you dont tone down the pistol thats whats all everyone will be using! Not even the BRG...Im saying to tone it down a slight bit or take off the scope because you have to balance it somehow with the other weapons...But agian, thats my opinion.

[t3h m00kz]

But if you dont tone down the pistol thats whats all everyone will be using! Not even the BRG...Im saying to tone it down a slight bit or take off the scope because you have to balance it somehow with the other weapons...But agian, thats my opinion.

Trust me, it's mine as well.

[TrU7H]

Oi....the pistol really needs to be toned down in my opinion too, but let's not start another fired up discussion about that.
Let's uh...stay on topic...(what was the topic again?)

[Archon23]

Why would you people even complain about the pistol being toned down? It IS being toned down.

[t3h m00kz]

Why would you people even complain about the pistol being toned down? It IS being toned down.

Freedom of speech ;O

And yes, we're happy it's being toned down. Let's just hope it's toned down enough.

[TrU7H]

Agreed

[WaЯReN]

What is the topic of this thread if not for discussing weapons?