Quick-Crit 2010

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Originally Posted by Sel

ok



Hey odx guess what, posing is a big part of drawing, so are proportions. You may not have known this, since you're 12, and retarded, but hopefully my post here will bring you some enlightenment in the matter.

I'm posting in this thread because I want feedback (see jpeg's post for a good reference of what everyone should be doing :> ), if I was good at drawing, then maybe I would want to use my gallery thread to show off (If you looked at mine, you'd notice there's no feedback at all !). Quite frankly if you're unwilling to be helpful and actually point out what I need to work on in my drawings, and would rather cry about them being furry instead, you and everyone else whining shouldn't be in this thread.

Anyway if furry art disgusts you that much odx, I suggest you never set foot in this thread for the foreseeable future :)

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Can't you just use spoiler tags?
Btw, I doubt ODX is the retarded one here. By seeing what you enjoy drawing... well it kind of makes you the retarded one. :iamafag:l
Fyi; People tend to crit on things they like, so you will get less crit with disturbing drawings. *As you can see, Jpeg and llama were about the only helpful ones (according to you)*. So your so called need of "crit", doesnt seem to apply here. The attention to your drawings is more like it. :realsmug:

Seriously, sel. I'd be glad if you went back to just the trains.

how about everyone stops calling each other retarded and disgusting and talks about oh, say, maybe criticism?

How about Sel stops posting softcore porn without spoiler tags?

yeah just use spoiler tags. first time i came in this thread before i knew sel was posting this stuff, there were some people around who saw one of the images. that wasnt fun to explain. now about half a dozen people think i was browsing a furry porn forum.

we dont need this big argument shit storm. you could solve the problem just by using spoiler tags. those who want to give you crit can give you crit, and those who dont like the subject matter can not click the spoiler button. seems simple enough, right?

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Originally Posted by Sel

You may not have known this, since you're 12, and retarded...

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No, you really need to stop with this. You should know very well I've become quite a well-respected animator (albeit lazy and lacking time to do much recently), 15 years old, and clearly not retarded.

Your "art is art" comment for -rep'ing me is a terrible reason. The Quick-Crit thread in my eyes, has been about art (yes we know that)...but what you're doing is abusing it, ruining other people's spotlight and opportunity. I've seen it happen dozens of times beforehand, and it pisses me off. It even happened to me:
I remember one time I posted a video with a nice set of animations I had worked hard on for the past weeks or so, putting it together and showing it in this thread hoping for some great critique from the other animators around here, as well as the non-animators since they would mostly be the ones using my animations meaning their opinions matter greatly to me.

Know what happened? Someone, I forget who, came in and posted some barely-started model of whatever. Everyone completely ignored what I had posted after that, and it just made. me. sick.

Why is there not a rule against this (posting work before another receives comments)? In no way is it fair to the person who worked damn hard on something and really wanted to see what others thought...then they get a big "fuck you" in their face and no one gives a shit about what they did anymore because "Oh look a few modeled planes! Let's comment on this!"

I don't intend to start an argument, I just really want to bring up this topic up and learn why people are so inconsiderate, and why nothing is ever done to fix the wrongs done.

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Originally Posted by Eleven

You seem to have a tendency to use some pretty awkward expressions. For example...



The line "...barely able to not pass out after the beating..." makes sense, but it isn't worded very well - "...barely conscious after the beating..." is more succinct, and sounds a lot nicer. Also, "...I have just endured" doesn't make sense. The word "have" ought to be replaced with the word "had" so the tense remains the same. In addition to this, "here" should actually be "there", as the first few lines of your story indicate that it is written in past tense.

The tense wavers a lot throughout your story. You need to pick one (I'd suggest past tense, it seems to make things a bit less awkward) and stick with it.

You've made a good start though, so stick with it :-3

PS. Sel, your drawings look really nice!

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I love you, get steam and add me fuck

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Originally Posted by Nero

Can't you just use spoiler tags?
Btw, I doubt ODX is the retarded one here. By seeing what you enjoy drawing... well it kind of makes you the retarded one. :iamafag:l
Fyi; People tend to crit on things they like, so you will get less crit with disturbing drawings. *As you can see, Jpeg and llama were about the only helpful ones (according to you)*. So your so called need of "crit", doesnt seem to apply here. The attention to your drawings is more like it. :realsmug:

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Right so call me retarded for what I draw. You're an excellent individual!

Also the rest of your post is incredible. Incredibly dumb. Don't be a fuckwit and why don't you think out your responses before making them. :)

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Originally Posted by ICEE

how about everyone stops calling each other retarded and disgusting and talks about oh, say, maybe criticism?

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^^ If you don't like one form of art, no one is stopping you from reading this thread.

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Originally Posted by ExAm

How about Sel stops posting softcore porn without spoiler tags?

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what porn, you have quite a definition of it !

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Originally Posted by ODX

No, you really need to stop with this. You should know very well I've become quite a well-respected animator (albeit lazy and lacking time to do much recently), 15 years old, and clearly not retarded.

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lol yeah ok odx, if you say so.

Holy Hell... I was kidding about banning Sel. Ha ha ha. This got way out of control! :-3

"Know what happened? Someone, I forget who, came in and posted some barely-started model of whatever. Everyone completely ignored what I had posted after that, and it just made. me. sick."

Not that I want to seem like I'm on Sel's side at all(seriously Sel your art sucks, nowhere my fap material standard), but this just screams "WAH WAH look at me I'm special".

Generally most people who constantly post similar artwork in the quick crit thread have been asked to start their own threads. You'd probably get a similar (although not nearly as harsh) reaction if you were constantly posting trains in here.

ps i still love you

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Originally Posted by Cagerrin

Not that I want to seem like I'm on Sel's side at all(seriously Sel your art sucks, nowhere my fap material standard), but this just screams "WAH WAH look at me I'm special".

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I'm not trying to say I'm "special," I'm saying in a general way that it really kind of ticks off and disappoints the person who had worked hard on something and wanted a little bit of critique to help them evolve.

Not that I don't sympathize with the idea, but your wording was... whiny, at the very least.

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Originally Posted by Cagerrin

"Know what happened? Someone, I forget who, came in and posted some barely-started model of whatever. Everyone completely ignored what I had posted after that, and it just made. me. sick."

Not that I want to seem like I'm on Sel's side at all(seriously Sel your art sucks, nowhere my fap material standard), but this just screams "WAH WAH look at me I'm special".

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I'm fully aware that my drawings are terrible.

I am posting them here to get in hopes of getting feedback that will help me improve them, instead of BAWWW FURFAG

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Originally Posted by ODX

Know what happened? Someone, I forget who, came in and posted some barely-started model of whatever. Everyone completely ignored what I had posted after that, and it just made. me. sick.

Why is there not a rule against this (posting work before another receives comments)? In no way is it fair to the person who worked damn hard on something and really wanted to see what others thought...then they get a big "fuck you" in their face and no one gives a shit about what they did anymore because "Oh look a few modeled planes! Let's comment on this!"

I don't intend to start an argument, I just really want to bring up this topic up and learn why people are so inconsiderate, and why nothing is ever done to fix the wrongs done.

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http://timo.modacity.net/Sloth_shades.gif

Not everyone knows how to give constructive crit to animations, I sure as hell don't. Posting in this thread doesn't guarantee that you'll get some crit on what you post, it's just a thread to put your work out into the spotlight, and hope that someone will be nice enough to comment on it.

I get it now. Sel's trolling. Commence ignoring of his posts.

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Originally Posted by ODX

I'm 12 baw baw baw baw baw

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Originally Posted by ExAm

I get it now. Sel's trolling. Commence ignoring of his posts.

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are you really this dumb?

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Originally Posted by Timo

Not everyone knows how to give constructive crit to animations, I sure as hell don't. Posting in this thread doesn't guarantee that you'll get some crit on what you post, it's just a thread to put your work out into the spotlight, and hope that someone will be nice enough to comment on it.

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If you read what I had said, I'd said I was looking for critique on the animations as well as general opinions from the public/non-animators since they would be the ones who mostly use my weapons and it matters what they/you have to say as well.

So I post it here, to see what they think because most of the time I could just bother ICEE or another animator on Xfire about it.

Christ.

This shit stops now.

Sel, first and foremost, use your head. Even the cleanest furry art sparks controversy thanks to the reputation the fandom is infamous for. If you're going to post poses for critique here, could you please at the very least pose your characters in fashions that the average person won't see as suggestive or softcore porn?

Everyone else, this is the quick-crit thread. This thread is meant for posting things for feedback, or for providing feedback to the posted media. Critique the work, not the subject matter. If you feel a post is objectionable, use the report post button.

If I come back in here and see another piece of borderline-clean art, infraction. If I come back in here and see another bitchfight over said piece, or hell, anything else, infractions. You've been warned.

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Originally Posted by Geo

I love how I post a render of something for opinions, and we end up with a page and a half of arguments over disturbing furry images haha

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sorry your stuff just got squashed under the shit storm.

I think you can add more details such as plate rims and such. right now, it get's very thin at the edge and that look for armour isn't something I like(this is kind of a personal preference).

4.3k tris isn't bad,still think the barrel sides could be lower, you wouldn't be seeing the ends and the roundness wouldn't be majorly affected by lowering it.

also:


finally got off my lazy ass and finished this.

kid, i know what photo you did that from, and i'll tell you, your tones are all over the place and such a mish-mash that you don't represent any materials at all. There is no differentiation between glass, leather, skin, fabric, metal, stone. Nothing. Also, the way you've shaded her face makes the shape look like a wedge of pizza. Literally like this :> It also looks like you got lazy on the hair, you don't draw strands of hair, because it ends up looking like a rat's nest. Don't overwork the hands, either, or they end up looking mangled or aged. Your proportions also look off.

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Originally Posted by SnaFuBAR

kid, i know what photo you did that from, and i'll tell you, your tones are all over the place and such a mish-mash that you don't represent any materials at all. There is no differentiation between glass, leather, skin, fabric, metal, stone. Nothing. Also, the way you've shaded her face makes the shape look like a wedge of pizza. Literally like this :> It also looks like you got lazy on the hair, you don't draw strands of hair, because it ends up looking like a rat's nest. Don't overwork the hands, either, or they end up looking mangled or aged. Your proportions also look off.

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I've been trying to practice tones, but it's slow in progress. I have trouble with glass. I just can't ever get it right. I'd like to throw down fabric weave but never got it to a point where I like during practices. I can see what you mean with the face. That's just bad eyeing the values. How would you do hair? I haven't had much experience with hair. Thx for the tip about the hands. I have a grid layout on the ref and canvas. I had to compensate mainly with the right arm around the glass bottles. I was too focused on the reflection to realize how large it was getting.

I'll apply the crit in the next piece. I'll try and find one with varrying textures and work on diffrientiating them.

For a fabric weave, use tactile plates. They work the same way as when you were a kid running around with a No.2 pencil and computer paper, making rubs of quarters and pennies. For hair i would block it out dark and erase out to light. That's my personal way I would approach it. If any illustrator here would like to correct me, that's cool. As for the glass and reflections, look at how much it contrasts there. Redoing just that would be good practice because it is shot in a studio environment, and you only have to worry about that one hotspot/lamp reflection (i can't tell which it is) rather than a reflection of a full environment.

Also, what paper are you using? The grittiness makes it look like it's seriously inappropriate for this, like it has too much tooth.

I think the grain was from the cam, I need a new scanner still :(

also, I selected a small area and redid it on drawing paper(first time around was on copy paper).

It's not quite done, but any opinions?

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I finally figured out the basics of the Source SDK on Sunday night with the help of the Valve tutorials, and I'm trying to create a map with it.

This is what I have so far. I already have the full layout on paper. I might be able to upload it tomorrow.

I am very sorry about the size of the pictures, I tried to resize them with [shot] tags. Again, this is my first time to ever use an editing kit, so there is still about 95% I don't understand yet.



Here are the rest of the images. I think I'm done with the basics of the Terrorist half, and would like to know how much backtracking I need before I can move on to the CT half.
http://img715.imageshack.us/f/csmap1test4.jpg/
http://img192.imageshack.us/i/csmap1test5.jpg/
http://img811.imageshack.us/f/csmap1test6.jpg/

Woah, its MXC...

Your lights are casting a short distance, making them real powerful, lower the value down a bit, that first linked screenshot is super bright O_O.

Looking pretty good though.

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Originally Posted by Limited

Woah, its MXC...

Your lights are casting a short distance, making them real powerful, lower the value down a bit, that first linked screenshot is super bright O_O.

Looking pretty good though.

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Thanks! I toned down most of the lights outside of the spawn, but what happened to the fence shading?

http://limited-development.net/screen2.png
Haven't worked on this for a while, going to start back on it soon, I need a few map themes, any one think of any? (Industrial, Battle Field, etc)
For the record, the tanks were designed by Conscars, I shade them in via code.

That looks really fun!
A snow themed map *MB in a valley between the mountains?*

I dunno if thats possible, but my head pictured this epic map for it. :p

Yo limited, I'd have fun setting a few maps up with that game if you showed me the parts needed bro!

The game has an in game editor, although its not polished off.
http://limited-development.net/battle-it/level2.png
Maps are stored as image files. :P

Made these for Ifafudafi's mod. Still awaiting his approval, but may as well post them



Melee isn't done yet

The return to origins are nice in terms of their lazy-feeling but still have weight to them, but bad because of the sudden stop in them right at the origin.

Well it doesnt matter because ifaf asked me to remove them because he doesn't like things that have souls.

Master copy of a kollwitz. Not complete

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Originally Posted by Limited

http://limited-development.net/screen2.png
Haven't worked on this for a while, going to start back on it soon, I need a few map themes, any one think of any? (Industrial, Battle Field, etc)
For the record, the tanks were designed by Conscars, I shade them in via code.

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Reminds me of this btw:
http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/b...gameplay-movie

Eh :/ How do I create holes or round shapes on a rounded surface without deforming the curve? :(
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g2...on_surface.jpg

More edge loops? :x
I'd like to know this too. I need to get into subd modeling.

Can't really add a horizontal edge loop as it would tighten the edge and it's meant to be curved. Adding more edge loops around the hole just makes a flat face and doesn't get rid of the pinch...

Fixed it, make a star shape. Still a slight pinch but you can hardly see it.
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g2.../pinch_fix.jpg

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/2898/solutionh.jpg

http://www.majhost.com/gallery/renta...ssionlolol.jpg

Any ideas to make the cliff look less shit?

The metal ground, never would lie that easily (flat plane), add angles to the metal edges, chamber the edge?

Don't make it out like that, move it on some more so it seems more enclosed. It has too much the shape of the rest of it.

Another problem here, how would I get rid of the pinching at the top of this shape as it's on a curve... can't add an edge as it would tighten that curve at the top...
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g2...stupid_dub.jpg

incoming pix

from my tutorial section (in my sig) (mathematically correct)

http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/t.../scopetut1.jpg

more segments. (close enough-correct)

http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/t...resegments.jpg

rep time

So, for it to be mathematically correct, you're saying apply the curve to the surface after the subdivision is applied?

I usually use more segments for the curve. The added segments function as supporting edges.

rob, first subdivide, then bend.

disaster, exactly.
there's nothing wrong with a 60-sided cylinder, it's only there to look good, not to have a low-poly highpoly cage or something.

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http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g2...hotgun_c_1.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g2...hotgun_c_2.jpg

Forgot trigger (as usual) and flash light. will finish tomorrow. its 4:44AM!
Forgot mirror some parts as well so it might look a little strange :/ dammit.

Honestly, you can leave the laser sight off; it looks better that way. I don't even know why they put a god damn laser sight on a shotgun.

I think I will add it, but if you use the finished asset you could easily remove it if you wished :) It's something else to make it look interesting init. :)

the fact the pump-action part and the other stuff at the bottom is so open bothers me.

close it up somehow.

far as I can tell, the model is well executed, but I just hate these reach designs. It looks like they created them specifically to use more polygons.

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Originally Posted by ICEE

far as I can tell, the model is well executed, but I just hate these reach designs. It looks like they created them specifically to use more polygons.

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Elaborate engines open up the elaborate use of polys. Besides, give a team of 200+ game designers a brand new engine to where they CAN add that many polys and what would you expect?

^elaborate detail in places that dont look stupid :shrug:
i mean it seems like bungie tried their damnedest to make the weapons look as unnecessarily complicated as possible. i would have put that toward a scarab that doesnt have a 6 sided cylinder for a leg joint, but thats just me

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Originally Posted by DarkHalo003

Elaborate engines open up the elaborate use of polys. Besides, give a team of 200+ game designers a brand new engine to where they CAN add that many polys and what would you expect?

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New technological breakthroughs don't validate ridiculous design changes. They could've remodeled the halo 1 AR using far more polies to enhance the feel, rather than warp it into what they did. Not saying they should've used the same AR design (though that'd make sense), merely proving a point.

Meh, I like the designs mainly because it fits the game and the game's atmosphere. The AR is also probably one of the best looking weapons in the game IMO, which is why I don't mind having it in Campaign as much as I do. I'm glad they used more Polies for the phantom, environment (greatly freaking needed), and the characters. I think it's better to have more polies than not enough polies anyways in an engine like this.

you are so not getting the point. No one is saying that using polies is bad. We're saying that using polies for the sake of using polies is bad.

It seems Bungie give the Halo weapons a more modern day feel and a bit more realism, they seem to look more functional and human. I generally think the designs are awesome and interesting.

i just feel like they could have spared some of those ridiculous shapes and details to put the polies toward something else, like making things NOT 6 sided cylinders. ESPECIALLY when they are zoomed in on during a cutscene.
yes, using polies is good, but just using them on stupid looking stuff just because you can is kind of irritating. im not fond of any of the gun designs besides the magnum. theres just way too much un-necessary tacticool stuff going on.
those guns definitely dont look any more human than any other halo game, though. less imo. i think the reason they seem so much more human is because of all bungie did with the animation. im pretty fond of the animations.

^ this. Nothing about the reach designs (with the possible exception of the br) are at all similar to modern technology

My friend Ali was drawing furry porn in Bio this morning....

digging it so far, there's something about the arms/hands that I don't like, but probably the best I can do as of now!

alright dude, I left and came back (without a thread mind you) and you are still riding the furry joke? Whats the effs.

Its creepin me out man.

Who said anything about a joke?

sel you probably have enough work here to open your own thread. at this point it would probably help you alot more than posting in quick crit. just a suggestion

stop whining.

instead post more of your own stuff.

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Originally Posted by Donut

at this point it would probably help you alot more than posting in quick crit. just a suggestion

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What would possibly give you that idea, considering the amount of feedback I've gotten in a pinned thread is next to negligible as is, what's stopping my thread from slipping into oblivion like my last one?

I think he saw through your admirable plan, Donut.

Hey let's try something it's called if you dislike what I'm drawing that much, you either don't post, or you provide some useful feedback, instead of making entirely useless posts!

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Originally Posted by Sel

What would possibly give you that idea, considering the amount of feedback I've gotten in a pinned thread is next to negligible as is, what's stopping my thread from slipping into oblivion like my last one?

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God damn bro I don't understand why you're being such an ass about this. When people post a bunch of similar stuff often in the quick crit thread, they're asked to start their own thread. It's as simple as that. You posting your work will bump the thread you create. People who want to comment will. :^|

e: And "slipping into oblivion" is a tad extreme. Your thread is still on the front page even though it hasn't been posted in since the start of August.

Honestly, it's pointless to show anything. Everyone is off playing Reach, and there really isn't too much wrong with your drawing/whatever it is that I can comment on.

In all seriousness Sel, it looks perfectly alright for whatever it is you're aiming at.

There's no point in posting your stuff here either sel. Look at the facts: No one but you here likes furry stuff (that I know of), and You're getting no crit whatsoever.

first character model

So someone somehow motivated me to get off my dead ass and make a design for my personal site finally after about a year or so of not doing anything to it.



I've shown it to a few people, and the consensus is generally that it looks clean and crisp, however it's too monochrome and I'm overusing that gradient. Thing is, though, I like the color blue and I like how it's coming out, and Rob pointed out that I unwittingly made a polar theme with the color scheme as it is.

Any ideas as to what I can do to make it a little more interesting without making it too gaudy?

http://kuler.adobe.com/

Use different shades of blue?

I had been using http://colorschemedesigner.com/, hue of 240 degrees.

I figure some teal would be good, but where the hell should I put it? Making the containers have that background color just looks ugly imo.

stop with all the gradients imo, use shades of solid blue, grey, and white.

try this color of blue: 3B77B3

And also, the title bar at the top with your name etc, make that a different color so it stands out more, considering you want people to look there first.
For the buttons, don't use blue, but rather a like gradient of grey and light grey, similar to the ones on the "post quick reply" button.

Newb: That shade made a better base color, thanks.

How's this? I dunno what do to about hyperlink colors, so I made them a bluish grey for now:

Slightly better, but that teal border is hideous.

Text looks also lost. Not the greatest designer myself.

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Originally Posted by CrAsHOvErRide

Text looks also lost. Not the greatest designer myself.

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What do you mean?

Much empty space...I don't like scrolling with my eyes over an entire page just to see some little text on the other side. Maybe increase font size? Though this is personal preference.

Content will take up that entire lower pane, in fact it was there, I just cut it out for some stupid reason and only showed the top of the page.

Furry spies need to stop taking advantage of me :<

beats getting backstabbed though.

Hairly lines, unless that is a way to make furries look furrier.

it's called a sketch

Sounds like an excuse to me.

As he gets better he'll commit to longer lines in sketches. Everyone starts with "hairy lines".

I never started with hairy lines :v:

what the fuck are hairy lines

and why is that post infracted.

It's too sexy for Modacity. You're corrupting our family values.

Sorry.

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Originally Posted by Sel

what the fuck are hairy lines

and why is that post infracted.

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A better description would be "scratchy lines," meaning you lifted the pencil between each scratch of line, joining them together to make your...errr...shape.

I was inspired by the plague doctors of the medieval ages.

http://www.majhost.com/gallery/renta...Misc/abcde.jpg

Oh yes, some Plaque doctor erotica to counter Sel's furries.

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