Re: Halo: Anniversary - The Halo 1 remake (fuck anyone who calls it "halo ce" remake)
Like say, I'm holding on until the manual gets released so the art credits can be reviewed. The majority of 343i is supposedly working on H4, aside from a "publishing team" who were working on HA10, so that must leave either contractors and/or Saber left to do all the assets. It leaves me to look at this as another Hired Gun incident. That is, where top-of-the-food-chain-individuals call some shots (in this case, declare the changes to be "kosher") that let what could have been a great game only come out to be an okay game.
Luckily, this has all the work that Bungie put in ten years ago so it it's still a great game, but you have this outer layer on what appears to be a great cake (inb4 "lies") that is actually made with expired ingredients and improperly baked. The cake itself tastes great, but this outer layer leaves a sour taste in your mouth on each spoonful. Your only option to avoid this nasty taste is to just eat the inside of the cake and call it a day.
I know testers who have worked on the remake and they even agree about the sub-par characters (and I didn't even have to put those words in their mouths). So it's not just a bunch of hardcore nerds on some site in the corner of the internet raging on about a mustache. This was suppose to be a gift to the fans. From that claim I, at least, expected more care to be given to keeping with the original and not changing the experience.
Re: Halo: Anniversary - The Halo 1 remake (fuck anyone who calls it "halo ce" remake)
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Arteen
Doesn't hurt to try, though. 343i just isn't trying. This isn't the labor of love they claim it to be.
That is dismissive of my statement. Clearly, if someone fails at an unfair, contradictory task, you cannot judge their level of passion by the result. Failure is expected.
I made a Mark V helmet last year. I never finished and I haven't really shown it because of my own dissatisfaction, but no one can say I wasn't trying. Even if I had finished and been happy with it, I'm sure that if I polled 10 hardcore Halo fans, maybe 1.5 of them would think it was acceptable work and represented the idea in their head of the Master Chief.
Form is supposed to follow function. Trying to inject function into a pre-existing form is working in the wrong direction. It's especially hard with the original MC, because he was just such a mess upon close inspection. Even gently trying to straighten things out and line things up is enough to make him subjectively "not right".
With Anniversary, they stuck more closely to the original "mess" than I'm happy with, but hey, I get it. It's almost a no-win scenario.
Re: Halo: Anniversary - The Halo 1 remake (fuck anyone who calls it "halo ce" remake)
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Kornman00
I know testers who have worked on the remake and they even agree about the sub-par characters (and I didn't even have to put those words in their mouths). So it's not just a bunch of hardcore nerds on some site in the corner of the internet raging on about a mustache.
Well, you know, not to shoot down your argument or anythung, but it's a tester's job to be as nit-picky as humanly possible. At least publisher QA (Dev QA do quick passes most of the time and don't dig in too deeply). Publisher testers play the game and see the same things over and over, and are there to literally tell developers what sucks about their game. By the time I was done on a couple of my contracts, most of the testers were complaining about things the userbase never even noticed or mentioned
Most consumers are too development illiterate to understand when something minor like a character's mustache sucks or not
Re: Halo: Anniversary - The Halo 1 remake (fuck anyone who calls it "halo ce" remake)
I'm actually extremely pleased that they kept true to the original Chief model. I like it in fact. I was worried by some of the original screen shots, mostly of his chest where it had looked like they made major dents, but it was just a weird lighting thing. I'm looking forward to the game and playing it with some friends. Should be cool to see what they did with a lot of the levels.
Re: Halo: Anniversary - The Halo 1 remake (fuck anyone who calls it "halo ce" remake)
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ejburke
That is dismissive of my statement. Clearly, if someone fails at an unfair, contradictory task, you cannot judge their level of passion by the result. Failure is expected.
The game is full of copy-paste assets and 343i isn't even trying to keep an internally consistent art style, much less one that is Halo 1-esque. It's only after everyone complained about the E3 MC biped that they actually put some care into it.
Re: Halo: Anniversary - The Halo 1 remake (fuck anyone who calls it "halo ce" remake)
They specifically said that the biped was not final, based on their own standards when that little bit of footage was released.
Re: Halo: Anniversary - The Halo 1 remake (fuck anyone who calls it "halo ce" remake)
It's entertaining to discuss HA10's art direction and why 343i should feel bad about it.
Re: Halo: Anniversary - The Halo 1 remake (fuck anyone who calls it "halo ce" remake)
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Bobblehob
Did I ever say that? I just feel the need to defend things that are being overly criticized, I know that 343 doesn't give a shit about whether or not I defend their game. I find it disgusting that you think me defending it is hypocritical, when it is not, and that it is a waist of time, when what ever overblown criticism you may have has absolutely no bearing on the how the game will be either.
Actually, I don't think I've made a single bit of criticism about this game. At least, not about the things currently being discussed. Good job reading though!
Also, you must have missed the part where the Chief's model got changed due to overwhelming complaints about how retarded he looked.
Re: Halo: Anniversary - The Halo 1 remake (fuck anyone who calls it "halo ce" remake)
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Arteen
It's only after everyone complained about the E3 MC biped that they actually put some care into it.
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Pooky
Also, you must have missed the part where the Chief's model got changed due to overwhelming complaints about how retarded he looked.
You must have both missed the part where the guys at 343i they had the helmet and all that fixed up before E3 came along, but it wasn't in time to have the good version in the trailer so they had to deal with having the shitty helmet for the time being.
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Right, then why did they make the shitty version in the first place? Just to troll people? Someone at 343i had to think it was passable or a good idea.
That sounds about as legitimate to me as Bungie's claim that the Pistol got 'changed at the last minute'. Bullshit. Those guys balanced it for Campaign and never once considered how effective it might be in Multiplayer. They just didn't want to admit that to the people complaining about it.
