Halo: Anniversary - The Halo 1 remake (fuck anyone who calls it "halo ce" remake)

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Originally Posted by Donut

^game companies do usually strive to make more than one game...

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10 years from now:

Halo: Combat Evolved: Anniversary: Anniversary Evolved.

or HCEAAE. But really HA20.


But seriously, you fucking crit a game post-release so developers can get a sense of 'well, that was a dumb idea, we should probably never do that again! in fact, wtf were we even thinking?'. Fucking bulbous crewmen. The Navy can't become THAT soft in 500 years :|.

Well shit, I take that back. After all, games have become this shitty after only 10 years http://www.kornnersoftware.com/trillian/drunk.gif

What the fuck are you talking about!? You are the second person now who has taken what I said the wrong way :\ Did I ever say not to criticize the game? No, I didn't, I was specifically bothered that people here wasted 3 pages of stupid arguments over the size of a characters mustache in a video game.

WRONG.

MARINE.

MODELS.


E: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdTYv...el_video_title It seems like the proper models ARE there, but not in the campaign clips of the PoA?

He was talking to me. :D

Funny, I don't recall quoting or referencing a Bobblehob post (or even mustaches for that matter) in my post

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Yep, wasn't replying to you. However, since you want it to be about your gripe about peopling griping about mustache: the "HD" version of the game should have just been a true touch up, literally what the game would look like if it had been made with today's technology. Evolution. Not transformers where a truck can turn into some walking & derping killing machine. 1 + 1 = 2. It does not equal three. Or four. Or three. The minute they started to not do this, the community was well within their right to make 9000+ pages of WHAT THE FLYING FUCK DID YOU DO TO X posts.

This place has a couple handfuls of members, so if the majority of them are tweaking out about some detail, chances are they are all going to post about it. Then you have the anti-tweakers (eg, you) who then post about them tweaking out, only furthering the massive tweak fest that is unfolding. Hence the couple of pages that were mostly about the silly mustache Johnson is sporting in HA10.


If you're going to do something, do it fucking right, and stay true to the original along the way. Facial details, stomach sizes, derp-faces, etc shouldn't needed to be mucked with. They wanted to re-use H3/Reach assets? Fine, whatever, but they should have stuck to a standard. Gonna use MF'ing Reach trooper (ie, army) models for HA10 marines (!= army)? Then use H3's Johnson as well. Don't go reinventing the wheel, with different materials, in the HD "remake" of a game.

I cannot begin to fathom why they didn't just use the Reach Keyes model either, as that was pretty "10 years later" shit already.

Bungie: sometimes ignored non-game fiction, but was actually iterative on the original designs as they moved forward.

343i: keeps in mind fiction from the books, but seems to have some point to prove that they're at the helm now and are not Bungie, so we have all these changes. Changes to equipment and mood may make sense for H4, with humans having researched Forerunner tech and new settings, but this Halo1 dammit. Halo1 characters.

But hey, at least we can just play the game in 2001 mode, amiright marines modacity? Mmmhmmm, damn right I am.

Hopefully the manual/credits will shed some more light on the remake artists, so we can see who we really need to grind our axes with at the end of the day.

Porntstar Johnson. hehehehehe

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Originally Posted by Lightning

WRONG.

MARINE.

MODELS.


E: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdTYv...el_video_title It seems like the proper models ARE there, but not in the campaign clips of the PoA?

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The marines had to shed a few layers to land on a beach.

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Originally Posted by annihilation

Porntstar Johnson. hehehehehe

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Johnson knows what the ladies like.
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Originally Posted by Kornman00

Funny, I don't recall quoting or referencing a Bobblehob post (or even mustaches for that matter) in my post

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Yep, wasn't replying to you. However, since you want it to be about your gripe about peopling griping about mustache: the "HD" version of the game should have just been a true touch up, literally what the game would look like if it had been made with today's technology. Evolution. Not transformers where a truck can turn into some walking & derping killing machine. 1 + 1 = 2. It does not equal three. Or four. Or three. The minute they started to not do this, the community was well within their right to make 9000+ pages of WHAT THE FLYING FUCK DID YOU DO TO X posts.

This place has a couple handfuls of members, so if the majority of them are tweaking out about some detail, chances are they are all going to post about it. Then you have the anti-tweakers (eg, you) who then post about them tweaking out, only furthering the massive tweak fest that is unfolding. Hence the couple of pages that were mostly about the silly mustache Johnson is sporting in HA10.


If you're going to do something, do it fucking right, and stay true to the original along the way. Facial details, stomach sizes, derp-faces, etc shouldn't needed to be mucked with. They wanted to re-use H3/Reach assets? Fine, whatever, but they should have stuck to a standard. Gonna use MF'ing Reach trooper (ie, army) models for HA10 marines (!= army)? Then use H3's Johnson as well. Don't go reinventing the wheel, with different materials, in the HD "remake" of a game.

I cannot begin to fathom why they didn't just use the Reach Keyes model either, as that was pretty "10 years later" shit already.

Bungie: sometimes ignored non-game fiction, but was actually iterative on the original designs as they moved forward.

343i: keeps in mind fiction from the books, but seems to have some point to prove that they're at the helm now and are not Bungie, so we have all these changes. Changes to equipment and mood may make sense for H4, with humans having researched Forerunner tech and new settings, but this Halo1 dammit. Halo1 characters.

But hey, at least we can just play the game in 2001 mode, amiright marines modacity? Mmmhmmm, damn right I am.

Hopefully the manual/credits will shed some more light on the remake artists, so we can see who we really need to grind our axes with at the end of the day.

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If it wasn't obvious, I love you.

Memes.

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Now, the rest of you, make it funnier.

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"As soon as she touched my dick

I came and started farting"

Alternatively

"Touch my Johnson"

too lazy to do it.

@t3h m00kz

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Originally Posted by t3h m00kz

"Touch my Johnson"

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Indeed.

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The funny thing is the mustache is less visible in that Halo Anniversary screen grab than it is in the H1 shot. Use a different screenshot where it isn't so washed out.

*Sees memes*

I told you so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmgYIC3BsSo
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/ha...versary/723164

a30 looks weird. Heck, every level looks weird.

"LOL, okay guys, Bungie is finally out of the picture, how can we shit on them while making more money on the Halo franchise?"

"OH! We'll remake Halo1 in HD! We'll spend time making environment pretty but completely shit on things like character models! Then we'll make Halo4. With Halo HD fresh in everyone's mind, they'll be ready to bend over for new nonsense like Forerunner trilogy books and another three fucking games of a character we have no prior experience actually working on! All while working in the same 434 building Bungie use to occupy!"


On a serious note: apparently there are over 200 people working at 343i or maybe it's just H4. Bungie could hardly maintain ~160 to 180 people in that small place. I wonder if they're counting contractors in that number or if the 434 building is now a sweatshop...

They could have more office buildings around the area rented out.. just sayin

From what I read they have less than 200 and don't plan on getting more than that since it would get too big. If they can manage it, I don't see the problem.

They currently have 16 publicly listed jobs available. Just saying...

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Originally Posted by t3h m00kz

They could have more office buildings around the area rented out.. just sayin

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I know that's what Bungie had to do near the end (but it might have also been a necessity for their new IP and keeping it underwraps)

Careful with the bridge-burning, Korn. Sure, right now they pack everyone in that building in a single-file buttfucking chain, but perhaps someday that will change and you might want to work there. Although, I imagine the smell of all that anal penetration will linger...

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Originally Posted by Kornman00

They currently have 16 publicly listed jobs available. Just saying...

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Oh, I guess I was wrong. I was just repeating what I read in an interview with Frankie.

I should sign up as a senior artist

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Originally Posted by ejburke

Careful with the bridge-burning, Korn. Sure, right now they pack everyone in that building in a single-file buttfucking chain, but perhaps someday that will change and you might want to work there. Although, I imagine the smell of all that anal penetration will linger...

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The only way I can imagine myself wanting to work at 343i is if I was helping to make another Halo RTS with the Phoenix engine (if only to continue burning the flame Ensemble started). I cannot imagine myself putting up with the shit I hear around that place, and the slope I see the franchise starting to slide down, by working on the same shit-different day. The Reach engine isn't THAT appealing. Just as the military benefits weren't THAT appealing to get me to re-enlist.

You can cover a turd in gold (ie, talent) but it's still a turd. I would rather not be gold clinging to shit.

Halo won't stay afloat forever either. Once MS dissolves 343i, it's off to wherever they put you.

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Originally Posted by t3h m00kz

I should sign up as a senior artist

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Have to say that looks pretty neat, Johnson looks much better c:

Man Korn, you really are a downer you know that?

I'd say he's just being realistic, analyzing the option and giving reasons.

Just happens to come out in somewhat of a "downer" tone.

Dunno about the realism bit, but definitely a downer tone :P Especially considering we haven't seen the final product yet.

I doubt the final product will change in the 2 ~ 3 weeks to the release, but i'm hopeful.

Sorry nut, but it went gold back on Oct 15th. Meaning the final build was sent to publishing. Meaning no more changes. All the previews you see now are final.

If nothing else, atleast play the game before you continue berating it. Is it that much to ask?

I'm not berating the game. I'm berating the "10 year enhancements" and the sub-par work done with them. Halo1 was a great game.

It's a good thing Saber Interactive isn't owned by MS. They would probably be dissolved by now just like their Hired Gun and Ensemble Studios brothers. No matter what internal studio you are, if your name ain't 343i, your ass is grass. Sometimes before the game even ships! Actually, 343i hasn't actually shipped a game made by themselves, so their exception is yet to be seen.

e: If I wanted to play a great game with visuals like that of beer goggles...I would wear beer goggles. Or drink booze.

Oh, or how about this:

The game is $40 because they were able to outsource to the Russians for half the price! American jobs? Not on MS's watch

Oh, oh, or:

In Mother Russia, game plays you. And you just lost.

Sub-par my ass. The graphical enhancements that have been shown so far are on par with that of the newest halo games, and with other newer titles. This game still is Halo 1, and until any of us actually play it, I think you should reserve your judgement oh high and mighty overlord of modacity.

Its funny trying to see you argue with someone who has far more credibility than you grant him.

Its funny to see people making massive issues out of tiny, and insignificant details, and using that to label a game as bad before it has even been released.

We like Halo 1.
This is a graphical update.
We don't like the way the graphical update looks.
We complain about it.
It'll look like this when it ships.
What's hard to understand?

I don't think I ONCE said it made the game bad. Me and others berating what we were complaining about is more or so a complaint at what we see as a bad decision. Which can lead to a stale game experience. Also tiny details are NEVER insignificant, any single person here will tell you that.

EDIT: I just now saw this one and I laughed so hard.
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EDIT 2: Bobble why are you even here?

Hmm, why am I even here? I dunno, you will have to be more specific with that question. I see that any argument that I make with an opinion contrary to yours will be shot down by this onslaught of angry purism surrounding the game. So I guess its useless to try and defend it against the rage of a bunch of mustache minimalists.

Do forgive us, we've only been playing this game since 2001. Most of us know every single minor detail about it.

An example, the Private Jenkins re-animation.


Here are a few reasons why I (and others) don't like these animations.

1: When John hears the chittering of the flood, he over reacts (at least I think he does.) The entire head bobbing is completely unnecessary. What would have been more tasteful is if John tilted his head immediately to hear the noise, then brought his rifle to bear. He is a trained super solder with decades of combat experience. Most people would not expect him to act like he's on crack.

2: The finger rolling is also unnecessary. It's a charming touch but again John is too jittery. If it could have been possible, instead of the finger rolling, we could see him tighten his grip on the rifle. We still get the impression he's anxious, just not overly hyper.

3. The rest of the animations seem far too fast. I would expect him to be slightly more deliberate about laying his rifle down and examining the helmet. While the notable sigh is perfectly fine, I don't like the head shaking either. John is a soldier so we can empathize with the fate of the marine but not to that degree. Throughout the books John is seen as a very fast thinker but he's also tactful.

All in all, John seems way too hyper. Yes I know the scenery of the flood massacre in the facility works against what I just said, however, again John is a soldier. He is taught and trained to analyze a situation, not freak out at it.

My opinion: The animation seems rushed and sloppily made, and out of context.

EDIT: I think you responded to Arteen by saying:

"They aren't bad Arteen."

The fact of the matter is some of us think they are. Some of us have worked with Halo for a very long time and know how to do things right.

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Originally Posted by Bobblehob

Sub-par my ass. The graphical enhancements that have been shown so far are on par with that of the newest halo games, and with other newer titles. This game still is Halo 1, and until any of us actually play it, I think you should reserve your judgement oh high and mighty overlord of modacity.

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you mean the same assets used in reach?
Oh wait hang on second let me show you something:
What if I were to tell you one of those ODST's were in Halo CE, an engine 10 years old?
Still don't believe me?
Case in point, old content used in old engines can still look reasonably modern and good looking.
How ever, good content in a good engine can look drastically much better.Observe...


As for telling us to wait until we play, some of us attended Halofest during the summer...

Funny story about that picture: Halo 3 only looked half as good as that real-time rendered teaser. Damn you Bungie!

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Originally Posted by Warsaw

Funny story about that picture: Halo 3 only looked half as good as that real-time rendered teaser. Damn you Bungie!

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I know ._.
"This is How Halo 3 will look, it's running right now in our offices and we have proof to back it up....[6 months later] sorry about that we're toning it down."

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Originally Posted by Bobblehob

Sub-par my ass. The graphical enhancements that have been shown so far are on par with that of the newest halo games, and with other newer titles. This game still is Halo 1, and until any of us actually play it, I think you should reserve your judgement oh high and mighty overlord of modacity.

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That's not much of an accomplishment when they are copy-pasting assets from the newest Halo games. It's just too bad that they're copying the wrong things. 343i/Saber, Reach army != navy marines. And if you're just going to copy-paste the Banshee into HA10, copy the Halo 3 banshee, not the Reach one. The art direction in HA10 is so disjointed.

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Originally Posted by Warsaw

Funny story about that picture: Halo 3 only looked half as good as that real-time rendered teaser. Damn you Bungie!

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It probably can look that good, its just the limitations of the xbox.

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Originally Posted by Bobblehob

Sub-par my ass. The graphical enhancements that have been shown so far are on par with that of the newest halo games, and with other newer titles. This game still is Halo 1, and until any of us actually play it, I think you should reserve your judgement oh high and mighty overlord of modacity.

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On par with the newest halo games and other titles? You've either never played Reach or didn't bother to finish it. Worse yet, you probably don't play other newer titles. You're not living in another year besides 2011 are you? If you are, please tell us the secret to your time machine. We won't tell anyone else. Promise.

Take a good long look at Reach's Cpt Keyes. Not only his face, but his entire model. On par my ass. Why they didn't use Reach's Keyes model but used its Trooper one is beyond me.

Do you even own a console? You realize that the lower GFX settings in a PC game doesn't represent its true GFX potential right?

The game is still 90% Halo 1 (ie, the game released 10 years ago), even when playing in "2001" mode, but again I haven't been berating Halo 1. Since you brought it up, I am reserving the rest of my judgement until I've played the game, since up until now the judgements I've been making are towards what's been shown. I'm reserving my judgement on the remastered soundtrack and whether or not their new sub-par animations/cinematics also infect the 2001 mode (which is blasphemy). They also say they haven't touched the gameplay. The people will be the judge of that, since they obviously molested some parts of the game that didn't need molesting (a game should never be molested in the first place).

Oh, and never have I used or associated with the title of "mighty overlord of modacity". Your words, not mine, Member.

The doers of this port & remake only had to do one simple thing: polish up what was already there and don't touch what people have come to know for almost 10 years. Keyes did not have a fat fucking, eerily Asian face in Halo1. The crewmen weren't sporting beer bellys and fat necks. Don't get me and others started on Johnson. I also seem to recall the Cpt also owning a pipe as well. Call me crazy. Oh, can't wait to see what other cutscenes they spilled vodka all over!

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Originally Posted by Arteen

The art direction in HA10 is so disjointed.

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Half of the development time must have been dedicated to them building then rebuilding the entire campaign in .map format with a crotchplate-less MC to see if they should use it over one with the plate in place. All while throwing back shots of vodka. I only approve of one of those things (I'll give you a hint: it involves throwing back shots of vodka).


No complaints about the environments, but I wouldn't call them the best.

The environments in Halo CEA are the best in any halo game yet.
Kornman is a virgin btw :p

I apologize for the overlord comment, but I notice everyone else seems to bow down to you whenever you comment, so I felt it was necessary. It would also be greatly appreciated if you would not treat me like some idiotic 10 year old, I have played this game since it came out in 2001, Ive been playing it on the PC since 2006, modding PC since 2007 and working with HEK since 2009. I know all of the same minute details that you do.

As for basically everything else that everyone has said, I am glad to see that everyone has such a strong opinion about how the art should look. But when you get right down to it, there is not a right or wrong way to change or update the art for the game. If a crew member seems somewhat overweight? How dare they! If a certain character has a large and bushy mustache? How dare they! It is a different art style then Halo players are used to, but it isn't necessarily wrong.

Yes they copied and pasted assets from other halo games, but a large amount of the assets are also completely custom, specifically the environments, and they look gorgeous, at-least from what has been shown so far, and I have no reason to doubt that what we haven't seen will also look really nice.

Specifically to Teekup, in one of the more recent preview videos, part of that cut scene was shown, and it was visibly less jittery, Korntheman actually commented on it. But even so, how dare the chief move his fingers!

So when it comes down to it, while all of you are over-analyzing and nit-picking over tiny details that changed, I will be enjoying the game. :)

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Originally Posted by TM_updates

Kornman is a virgin btw :p

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We might be pretty huge nerds, but we're not petty jackasses.

The difference between hardcore nerds and fans, one side complains about mustaches and fingers that move, the other enjoys the grand product without caring about mustaches and moving fingers.

Mustaches and moving fingers. Seriously, most of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

For shame.

Edit: inb4 allcaps rage

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Originally Posted by Bobblehob

while all of you are over-analyzing and nit-picking over tiny details that changed, I will be enjoying the game. :)

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I'm pretty sure all of us enjoyed the game multiple times over the past decade. It's the same game, with a graphical upgrade. Sure, overanalyzing graphical details during action sequences is retarded, but we were shown cutscenes involving two iconic Halo universe characters that for a myriad of reasons just aren't right.

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Originally Posted by TM_updates

Mustaches and moving fingers. Seriously, most of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

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The complaint isn't about just fingers moving, pay attention. It's about body language. Considering the Chief is a selective mute in this game, I'd consider body language pretty important when he's being featured.

inb4 90% of the people making complaints giving in and buying it ;}

Ironically, even though I'm defending the game and stuff, I won't be buying it. Whereas indeed most of you guys will probably end up getting it either way.
But yeah...inb4 no backbone

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Originally Posted by Bobblehob

But even so, how dare the chief move his fingers!

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And despite my rational crit on why I don't like it you still decide to come off as dry and contentious. By the way that post was a sign for you to post why you like it so I can understand where you are coming from, as you see why I don't like it. Seeing as how (from what I gather) you think everything is so perfect and fine with it, you and I have nothing more (ever) to discuss. I suppose you thought reach was perfectly fine too?

I will complain/point out/critique/describe/what the fuck ever I see is out of place in any essence of a games art style. Its in my nature and that's not likely to change. The longer you are here the more you will see.

I love how the co-lead for a modding team is actually trying to say anything less than the best is acceptable.
I suppose it goes a long way in saying how lumoria 2 is going to end up.
Artists never strive for second best, they certainly do not accept anything less than the best quality.
Tell me this; would you be happy with a ordered meal if some of the product wasn't cooked correctly and still raw inside?

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Tell me this; would you be happy with a ordered meal if some of the product wasn't cooked correctly and still raw inside?

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I hate it when I order three supreme tacos from taco bell and they forget to put the sour cream on all of them.

But time can be a big factor when making something of high quality. Then again, if you are a professional, you should be able to deliver at least some of your best.

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Tell me this; would you be happy with a ordered meal if some of the product wasn't cooked correctly and still raw inside?

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Perfect metaphor for REACH right there.
I will be getting this, I will enjoy it, but I will still bitch about visuals I don't like, and praise the ones I do.
But I'll likely enjoy Lumoria and CMT better as I haven't played them hundreds of times in the last 7 or so years.

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But time can be a big factor when making something of high quality. Then again, if you are a professional, you should be able to deliver at least some of your best.

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Indeed, but considering they're calling this as a "love letter" to the community, surely they have the time to listen to the same community on things that may need updating/correcting?
After all, this is the same community they expect to shell out for yet another trilogy and how ever many spin off books and games.

It is harder than you might think to take something that is low-res and make it high-res without making some changes. I promise you that the guy who made Sarge's new face knows a lot more about the structure and anatomy of human faces than whoever originally built Sarge over a decade ago. The original artist probably took 5 minutes to apply that dark smudge to his upper lip and called it a day and now here we are, 10 years later, and it has become a sacred cow to some.

I'm still of the opinion that the majority of people will find Sarge perfectly acceptable.

I'm not impressed with the Chief, though. He's a perfect example of what I'm talking about. There are things about the way he was originally built that are very very crude -- sloppy angles, weird proportions, surfaces that awkwardly transition into other surfaces. They had to make the new Chief strongly resemble the old one, though, and they clearly sacrificed a fair share of modern high-res design principles to achieve that. I'm not going to say there's no way to do that and still produce something that looks like a modern asset, but after several iterations, they couldn't pull it off. It's semi-faithful, but still looks dated and awkward.

Whatever problems I have, I'm sure they will bother me less and less given time. I am looking forward to the game.

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Originally Posted by =sw=warlord

Indeed, but considering they're calling this as a "love letter" to the community, surely they have the time to listen to the same community on things that may need updating/correcting?
After all, this is the same community they expect to shell out for yet another trilogy and how ever many spin off books and games.

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Fucking this.
They say it's a "Love Letter", a "Gift to the Fans"... yet the people that would actually pay for the remake instead of the multiplayer part get ignored? :saddowns:

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I'm not impressed with the Chief, though. He's a perfect example of what I'm talking about. There are things about the way he was originally built that are very very crude -- sloppy angles, weird proportions, surfaces that awkwardly transition into other surfaces. They had to make the new Chief strongly resemble the old one, though, and they clearly sacrificed a fair share of modern high-res design principles to achieve that. I'm not going to say there's no way to do that and still produce something that looks like a modern asset, but after several iterations, they couldn't pull it off. It's semi-faithful, but still looks dated and awkward.

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I actually don't like Johns' new knee guards. :S They look really awkward for some reason.

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And despite my rational crit on why I don't like it you still decide to come off as dry and contentious. By the way that post was a sign for you to post why you like it so I can understand where you are coming from, as you see why I don't like it. Seeing as how (from what I gather) you think everything is so perfect and fine with it, you and I have nothing more (ever) to discuss. I suppose you thought reach was perfectly fine too? I will complain/point out/critique/describe/what the fuck ever I see is out of place in any essence of a games art style. Its in my nature and that's not likely to change. The longer you are here the more you will see.

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It bugs me that everyone is being so overly critical, I understand that everyone can critique it as they see fit, but the general negative opinion of something that hasn't been played by any of us is just frustrating to read. If you want my rational crit, here it is. The chief is a little bit nervous, understandably so, he is completely alone, and deep inside of an unfamiliar structure in which something is following him. To be honest, the general movements in the updated cut scene are very similar to those in the original, in the original he is just as nervous looking, in the original he shakes his head when he picks up the helmet, which you didn't mention. There are a couple newer visual additions like the movement of the fingers which were not in the original which add to the overall feel, and the jittery weirdness, as I mentioned before, was gone in the little bit of the scene that we saw recently in a preview. To be honest, I don't understand how something as small and insignificant as that finger motion can change the entire feel of the scene. It would be different if he did was shivering or something along those lines.

You keep saying no one here has played the game and yet, Halofest was how long ago?
Wasn't that long and some people here DID play it.

We've all played the game already. It's Halo 1. :-3

It's too bad that they won't release it for the PC along with an 'HEK'. Then we can fix whatever "screw ups" we find within the game. Or even improve the game even more.

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It bugs me that everyone is being so overly critical, I understand that everyone can critique it as they see fit, but the general negative opinion of something that hasn't been played by any of us is just frustrating to read.
Stop reading this thread then.
If you want my rational crit, here it is. The chief is a little bit nervous, understandably so, he is completely alone, and deep inside of an unfamiliar structure in which something is following him.
He is also the hero of the story. A hardened marine. A super soldier. And although I can understand his human side showing. He should face the fear with aggression (tightening his grip, not acting scared).
To be honest, the general movements in the updated cut scene are very similar to those in the original, in the original he is just as nervous looking, in the original he shakes his head when he picks up the helmet, which you didn't mention.There are a couple newer visual additions like the movement of the fingers which were not in the original which add to the overall feel, and the jittery weirdness, as I mentioned before, was gone in the little bit of the scene that we saw recently in a preview. To be honest, I don't understand how something as small and insignificant as that finger motion can change the entire feel of the scene. It would be different if he did was shivering or something along those lines.
Similar yes. But the subtle differences can ruin the entire mood. One thing I notice with the head bob as compared to the old version. It simply wasn't there. It wasn't necessary. In the original he quickly turn around. Already set to kick ass. And that's what I expect out of the Chief. He does sigh and pick up the helmet. But he also mentioned that he doesn't take the extra second to put his weapon down easily. And most of this has to do with the camera angle changing. Different camera angles can cause more dramatic effects. Because the Chief's gun is out of shot (in the original) your mind makes up that he took his time. Which I think any soldier would with his equipment. It also makes him look more calm and curious, rather than in a hurry.

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One thing that pisses me off is how low they make his helmet go. Like he's staring directly in to the top of his helmet when he turns around. Just silly looking.

Watch this for more comparisons:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-eoMDPbTbM&feature=related

I cannot grasp the ammount of assmad in this thread.

And I'm a fucking QA analyst.

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It is harder than you might think to take something that is low-res and make it high-res without making some changes.

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Doesn't hurt to try, though. 343i just isn't trying. This isn't the labor of love they claim it to be.

Like say, I'm holding on until the manual gets released so the art credits can be reviewed. The majority of 343i is supposedly working on H4, aside from a "publishing team" who were working on HA10, so that must leave either contractors and/or Saber left to do all the assets. It leaves me to look at this as another Hired Gun incident. That is, where top-of-the-food-chain-individuals call some shots (in this case, declare the changes to be "kosher") that let what could have been a great game only come out to be an okay game.

Luckily, this has all the work that Bungie put in ten years ago so it it's still a great game, but you have this outer layer on what appears to be a great cake (inb4 "lies") that is actually made with expired ingredients and improperly baked. The cake itself tastes great, but this outer layer leaves a sour taste in your mouth on each spoonful. Your only option to avoid this nasty taste is to just eat the inside of the cake and call it a day.

I know testers who have worked on the remake and they even agree about the sub-par characters (and I didn't even have to put those words in their mouths). So it's not just a bunch of hardcore nerds on some site in the corner of the internet raging on about a mustache. This was suppose to be a gift to the fans. From that claim I, at least, expected more care to be given to keeping with the original and not changing the experience.

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Doesn't hurt to try, though. 343i just isn't trying. This isn't the labor of love they claim it to be.

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That is dismissive of my statement. Clearly, if someone fails at an unfair, contradictory task, you cannot judge their level of passion by the result. Failure is expected.

I made a Mark V helmet last year. I never finished and I haven't really shown it because of my own dissatisfaction, but no one can say I wasn't trying. Even if I had finished and been happy with it, I'm sure that if I polled 10 hardcore Halo fans, maybe 1.5 of them would think it was acceptable work and represented the idea in their head of the Master Chief.

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Form is supposed to follow function. Trying to inject function into a pre-existing form is working in the wrong direction. It's especially hard with the original MC, because he was just such a mess upon close inspection. Even gently trying to straighten things out and line things up is enough to make him subjectively "not right".

With Anniversary, they stuck more closely to the original "mess" than I'm happy with, but hey, I get it. It's almost a no-win scenario.

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I know testers who have worked on the remake and they even agree about the sub-par characters (and I didn't even have to put those words in their mouths). So it's not just a bunch of hardcore nerds on some site in the corner of the internet raging on about a mustache.

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Well, you know, not to shoot down your argument or anythung, but it's a tester's job to be as nit-picky as humanly possible. At least publisher QA (Dev QA do quick passes most of the time and don't dig in too deeply). Publisher testers play the game and see the same things over and over, and are there to literally tell developers what sucks about their game. By the time I was done on a couple of my contracts, most of the testers were complaining about things the userbase never even noticed or mentioned

Most consumers are too development illiterate to understand when something minor like a character's mustache sucks or not

I'm actually extremely pleased that they kept true to the original Chief model. I like it in fact. I was worried by some of the original screen shots, mostly of his chest where it had looked like they made major dents, but it was just a weird lighting thing. I'm looking forward to the game and playing it with some friends. Should be cool to see what they did with a lot of the levels.

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That is dismissive of my statement. Clearly, if someone fails at an unfair, contradictory task, you cannot judge their level of passion by the result. Failure is expected.

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The game is full of copy-paste assets and 343i isn't even trying to keep an internally consistent art style, much less one that is Halo 1-esque. It's only after everyone complained about the E3 MC biped that they actually put some care into it.

They specifically said that the biped was not final, based on their own standards when that little bit of footage was released.

It's entertaining to discuss HA10's art direction and why 343i should feel bad about it.

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Did I ever say that? I just feel the need to defend things that are being overly criticized, I know that 343 doesn't give a shit about whether or not I defend their game. I find it disgusting that you think me defending it is hypocritical, when it is not, and that it is a waist of time, when what ever overblown criticism you may have has absolutely no bearing on the how the game will be either.

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Actually, I don't think I've made a single bit of criticism about this game. At least, not about the things currently being discussed. Good job reading though!

Also, you must have missed the part where the Chief's model got changed due to overwhelming complaints about how retarded he looked.

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It's only after everyone complained about the E3 MC biped that they actually put some care into it.

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Also, you must have missed the part where the Chief's model got changed due to overwhelming complaints about how retarded he looked.

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You must have both missed the part where the guys at 343i they had the helmet and all that fixed up before E3 came along, but it wasn't in time to have the good version in the trailer so they had to deal with having the shitty helmet for the time being.

Right, then why did they make the shitty version in the first place? Just to troll people? Someone at 343i had to think it was passable or a good idea.

That sounds about as legitimate to me as Bungie's claim that the Pistol got 'changed at the last minute'. Bullshit. Those guys balanced it for Campaign and never once considered how effective it might be in Multiplayer. They just didn't want to admit that to the people complaining about it.

Discussion like this is typical of a prerelease game. Once it's out, everyone will take for granted whether it looks good or not. Both awe and disgust tend to get rapidly shoved to the back of the brain and filed away.

I am looking forward to two more weeks of being able to post stuff like this:

You guys can hate on the new mustache all you want, but at least a few of you didn't think he originally had a mustache, so how good a job was that old smudge doing of conveying itself? Rhetorical question. It wasn't doing a very good job at all!

Keep it going.

At first I was like "What's the point in arguing and bickering about it if it doesn't fix anything?" and then I realized "Wait, this is all about venting our frustrations. Rather yelling over the internet than committing mass homicide."

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi.../15/Hitov.jpeg

Mustache rides: Two at a time. No weight limit.

Do you guys think you'd be as happy with the final Chief if they had never shown the E3 one? Great bit of psychological manipulation if that was calculated.

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Right, then why did they make the shitty version in the first place? Just to troll people? Someone at 343i had to think it was passable or a good idea.

That sounds about as legitimate to me as Bungie's claim that the Pistol got 'changed at the last minute'. Bullshit. Those guys balanced it for Campaign and never once considered how effective it might be in Multiplayer. They just didn't want to admit that to the people complaining about it.

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They said they had spent several months getting the Chief to look right, so maybe it was just what they were using as a placeholder until they got something better. It's the same thing as having the MA37 as a placeholder for the MA5B until they got the MA5C model from Halo 3.

In plus, this just goes to show that 343i listens to what the fans have to say, which is a good thing if you ask me.

This thread:
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Here's hoping no other videos are released :d

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Here's hoping no other videos are released :d

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Yeah, definitely, I have this feeling that Cortana is going to have nipples or something which will send this entire forum into a massive nerd rage.

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Yeah, definitely, I have this feeling that Cortana is going to have nipples or something which will send this entire forum into a massive nerd rage.

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Cortana is the exact one they used in Halo 3. Which is stupid. Becuase she looks NOTHING like that in H1.

Even with all this mustache stuff, when someone posted a side-by-side comparison imo the old and new faces are almost identical in terms of placement of features, skin tone, and overall shape :s

Even the mustache color and width is the same, it's just got thickness now because the engine's capable of it now. :/

H1 Cortana had proto-human facial features and she had that classic early 2000's "We can't technologically make good hair yet, so here you go"-hair. Why do you think they changed her in the first place? The whole point of Anniversary is not to make things look the way they did in Halo 1, it's to make Halo 1 look like an Xbox 360 game. There aren't many 360 games that try to pass off monkey-faces and claymation hair as adequate.

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0...38-cortana.jpg

Even though the hair sucks, I like the attempted hairstyle they were going for. I also prefer the pink/purple to the blue.

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Even though the hair sucks, I like the attempted hairstyle they were going for. I also prefer the pink/purple to the blue.

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Yeah, I always liked Cortana better with short hair. Halo 2's wasn't that bad, but the jiggly boobs in Halo 3 were just too much for me. She's a hologram for Christ's sake.

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The whole point of Anniversary is not to make things look the way they did in Halo 1, it's to make Halo 1 look like an Xbox 360 game.

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Why make Halo CE look like just one Xbox 360 game when they could make it look like three different Xbox 360 games, all at the same time? :downs:

Jiggle you say? Are we talking a slight bob or some full-blown Team Ninja DOA independent tit physics shit? I think I'm fine with the former, although I honestly never noticed. I probably would have noticed perfectly static breasts. Oh, to have been a fly on the wall at Bungie when they were deciding what to do with Cortana's sweater meat.

It's hard to make a naked lady not come off as titillating (although she kind of had chimp titties in H1). If they didn't want pervs filing her away in their spank bank, they should have put some holographic clothes on her, like that Halo Wars AI.

As for her hair length and color, that is completely subjective. I don't care either way. Though, since Jen Taylor has longer hair and has a thin frame, I find that, for me, the voice seems to fit later incarnations of the character better.

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(although she kind of had chimp titties in H1).

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you say it like its a bad thing

http://pubpages.unh.edu/~jel/images/bonobo_mom_baby.jpg
http://www.petterik.nl/bonobo.jpg

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And to think Cortana models herself after Halsey [given she is a clone of Halsey] and then realize Halsey and Keyes hooked up to make Miranda.
Why has the room suddenly turned cold?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quk-f...el_video_title

Oh hey, you can toggle the music.

lol 1:01, that must be where sarge's mustache comes from :v:

No that guy doesn't look like johnson, look at 1:34

I spy a lack of the warthog turret spinning when firing.

Scratch that. In a few previews it's not spinning, in a few it is. Why are they using the h3 elite flood models.

I'll still buying it anyways.