Halo: Reach Discussion

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Originally Posted by Pooky

I knew someone was going to say that. The Reach AR is NOT equivalent to the SMG (To clarify, the Halo 1 AR and Halo 2/3 SMG had virtually no range and an extremely high rate of fire. The assault rifle in Reach appears to have a decent range and not that high a ROF, much like the MA5C), and the Halo 3 AR and SMG were a lot more distinct in functionality than the pistol and DMR in this game seem to be.
Fair enough. Still, I don't think what you've said justifies anything beyond mild concern. You haven't played the game yet, so you have no idea how these things actually feel in combat. You can do as I do and express your hope that they get it right and your concern that they might not, but don't just assume you're right.
I'd like to know how the focus rifle, needle rifle, and plasma grenade launching thing are distinct from each other though. They're all roughly the same size, purple, and made up of segmented parts.
The sniper rifle, DMR, and rocket launcher are all roughly the same size, grey, and made up of metal components. >_>
Come on, get an eye for the distinctive features of the guns. They all have them.

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The unspoken advantage of the pistol is that it takes up a small amount of screen real estate, allowing you to see more Meanwhile, the DMR's FP model and muzzle flash is so obstructive, you can easily lose your target in close quarters. Plus, I think the pistol has a higher rate of fire, making it even better suited for landing a desperation headshot at close range.

And the reason we don't need an SMG is because we have a shotgun. Bungie describes their combat roles in terms of range and damage; "bullet hose" isn't a combat role, it's a theme.

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Originally Posted by Rob Oplawar

Fair enough. Still, I don't think what you've said justifies anything beyond mild concern. You haven't played the game yet, so you have no idea how these things actually feel in combat. You can do as I do and express your hope that they get it right and your concern that they might not, but don't just assume you're right.

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It's not just that I'm just assuming off nothing, I've seen a good amount of assault rifle usage in all the various vidocs and videos. I'm aware that I don't really know anything until I try it myself. I am, as you said, expressing concern.

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Originally Posted by Rob Oplawar

The sniper rifle, DMR, and rocket launcher are all roughly the same size, grey, and made up of metal components. >_>
Come on, get an eye for the distinctive features of the guns. They all have them.

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The sniper rifle, DMR, and rocket launcher all have distinctive silhouettes and animations, the new covenent weapons all look like big lumpy purple things to me :|

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Originally Posted by ejburke

And the reason we don't need an SMG is because we have a shotgun. Bungie describes their combat roles in terms of range and damage; "bullet hose" isn't a combat role, it's a theme.

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Thing is, the SMG in Halo 3 filled the close range performance gap between the Assault Rifle and Shotgun. Though the shotgun is undoubtedly better at close quarters than the SMG, the SMG is better than the assault rifle. SMGs are usually common and easily available from right when you spawn, whereas the shotgun is rare and usually tough to get to. It all boils down to map control, you need a reason to leave your spawn and go find weapons rather than just running around with the AR everywhere.

With that said, it seems Bungie has largely abandoned the idea of map control with the whole loadout system, so it probably won't be much of an issue. I'm just sad to see the lack of a point blank bullet hose in a Halo game.

The Pistol is better for getting headshots at close-medium range, as it has a low profile and slightly higher spread than the DMR.
The DMR has lower spread than the pistol, but takes up more real estate on the screen and shoots slightly slower, making it better for medium-long range.

unless we're talking rocket launcher esque dominion over the screen, thats not a very valid factor here. Because who gives a shit. No one says "I use the pistol because it doesnt take up as much of the screen." I imagine that the pistol is probably inferior for taking down shields or something.

Every little thing counts. A huge blind spot vs no blind spot makes a difference when your POV is already so narrow and you've got enemies at point blank range pulling wacky maneuvers.

And it didn't occur to me before, because I was stuck thinking in terms of human weapons, but the plasma rifle is basically the Covenant SMG. There's the point-blank damage hose, I guess.

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Originally Posted by English Mobster

The Pistol is better for getting headshots at close-medium range, as it has a low profile and slightly higher spread than the DMR.
The DMR has lower spread than the pistol, but takes up more real estate on the screen and shoots slightly slower, making it better for medium-long range.

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That's a logical argument if you assume the game is being played by chimpanzees, but I think most people using the DMR will be skilled enough to take that into consideration. I don't think I've heard anyone in Halo 3 whining that the BR takes up too much of the screen :S

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Originally Posted by ejburke

Every little thing counts. A huge blind spot vs no blind spot makes a difference when your POV is already so narrow and you've got enemies at point blank range pulling wacky maneuvers.

And it didn't occur to me before, because I was stuck thinking in terms of human weapons, but the plasma rifle is basically the Covenant SMG. There's the point-blank damage hose, I guess.

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But that's plasma not bullets i want my bang bang not pew pew :(

let's wait till next monday to validate our gripes

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Originally Posted by sevlag

let's wait till next monday to validate our gripes

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or for some of us to stream it on friday.

Also, not to mention that the spread STILL gets a little wonky if you spam-fire the DMR, you can see it in the video.

Halo reach live action trailer to be hosted here.

realtime or american time?

Didn't they already have a Live action trailer?
Nevermind I'm thinking of the first Reach video.

I see no reason why it wouldn't be American time.

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Originally Posted by annihilation

Didn't they already have a Live action trailer?
Nevermind I'm thinking of the first Reach video.

I see no reason why it wouldn't be American time.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a4Wu6h5AXE

im Greenwich mean time :)... was wondering if it was released in a couple of hours for me or in like 10 hours for americans :(

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Originally Posted by =sw=warlord

cam trailer

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Not watching until the HD version goes online. I'd like to see it in full quality the first time around. Thanks for the effort though.

Meh, it really wasn't that great, to be honest.

E; Oh goody. It's just a preveiw.

This was the preview, the full is up tomorrow.

Here's hoping the full version tomorrow has action, and not just is strange looking bald guy and some pretty cool CGI space stuff interspersed... I WANT TO SEE EXPLOSIONS AND GUNZ GO PEW PEW PEW!

Ahem...er..yeah... here's hoping.

IGN Preview of some Beta crap you probably already know (but some nice gameplay I suppose), couldn't get an exact link of their site so here's a Youtube one some random guy I'm friends with uploaded:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d61uaEJSCk&playnext_from=TL&videos=YtP2xm 76sUg&feature=recentu
Edit: Gametrailers has some junk up as well
http://www.gametrailers.com/game/halo-reach/11394

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They've cracked the case. Don't let them escape with the core!

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Whoa.


Good to see a new gameplay video.

5 more days... really wanna play invasion, think people will find a way to do custom games like in the H3B?

Spartan Laser is real?

5:09, yes.

Edit: http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/2089/rocketwtf.jpg
Uh what the hell, are they THAT obsessed with punching?

Lmfao, I saw that and I was like ftw, he has got a BIG ASS metal object on his shoulder, why not just use it as a cricket bat and smash them across the head Lmao.

In addition to the gameplay Con showed, you can find that video in [higher?] quality on HaloWaypoint, a Youtube channel. There is also a nice game of Headhunter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzKpDEw3_UE&feature=channel

Close call? lol

Loving how sounds change when you are near an explosion, you get the real effect of being near one. Same goes for muted sounds when camo.

Most of the shouts for medals are exactly the same as in Halo 3 - laziness?
Also motion blur can suck my eyeballs. Unfortunately it's vice versa...

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Originally Posted by Lateksi

Most of the shouts for medals are exactly the same as in Halo 3 - laziness?

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Why fix what ain't broken?

because it wasn't broken in halo 1? or 2?

Games developed on an entire different platform. Stop trying to find a fault in his logic.

The Reach Beta is gonna last 17 days, not too too bad if you ask me :

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/108/1086651p1.html

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Originally Posted by Atty

Games developed on an entire different platform. Stop trying to find a fault in his logic.

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Sir. It's a sound file

Because they sounded like fuzzy ass on the first two games. Listen to the clarity of the new files.

Besides, lets say you are right, which is a great possibility, is it breaking news that bungie is lazy?

There are bigger things to worry about than re-recording the same shit just on a different day. That time and money is better spent on sounds for newer things like the stuff for generator defense or for announcer voices for Grifball or Fiesta!

They've re-recorded the MP announcer dialogue with each new engine generation. The engine is still on its third generation like Halo 3.

Also, once again, this isn't fucking retail. It's a public beta.

I would like to see a video of someone with a brain playing the Reach beta. That guy in the headhunter video never used anything besides the fucking AR, I saw him pass up a sniper rifle more than once...

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Originally Posted by Pooky

I would like to see a video of someone with a brain playing the Reach beta. That guy in the headhunter video never used anything besides the fucking AR, I saw him pass up a sniper rifle more than once...

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What good is a sniper going to do in headhunter? It's hard to collect skulls from someone on the other side of the map.

If it's a team based match then the sniper can take out the carrier for his team mate

but that would require some orchestration between at least two people

He passed by a few Needler Rifles and I think a DMR too, but hey I'm not complaining.

We got to see a full game before the beta's out.

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Gameplay videos or stfu and gtfo.

no u

Whoop



dee do. n u, either talk about Reach or don't post at all.

Imho, I think reach is alot more fun than halo 3 :)

I wonder if jcap will agree with you :allears:

Just got the F and F code. Ill be streaming later tonight hopefully

Omg housemate get off the bloody tv. I got a code gonna download it in a jiffy

How do you all get so many codes? I am jealous :(

I had to get some one to do it for me, bloody US only :(

I hate you :(

Sorry for the crappy quality, but heres another pic, possible stream later.

Reach is awesome.

I want to fucking play Invasion NOW!

I got in the beta :iamafag:

Does anyone know if you can bring a guest online this time around too? Im only on 40%

Yep, you can bring a guest, me and my friend where playing it earlier.

http://expertzone.microsoft.com/halo.aspx?&Feedback=1

doesn't load for me.

Seems like the site is down.

If anyone got an extra code could I have one?

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck someone gimme code.

I asked first, I get priority.

Holy fuck Reach is awesome. Headhunter is defo my favorite new game type. I just got a skullamangiro :D

Masters got rinsed by me, 2 assassinations in a game :D

This game literally has the worst UI background concept I have ever seen. It is concept art. No 3D.

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Originally Posted by jcap

This game literally has the worst UI background concept I have ever seen. It is concept art. No 3D.

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Probably didn't feel like making a flyaround of one the beta maps just for the beta like they did in the H3 beta.

HQ link doesnt work

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Originally Posted by MrBig

Probably didn't feel like making a flyaround of one the beta maps just for the beta like they did in the H3 beta.

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No, they talked about it in the podcast as their new thing this time around. This is incredibly disappointing.

I take back what I said about them copying my concept for the Orbital Defense Grid Earth UI I had planned with Lightning. At least we had actual geometry.

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Originally Posted by DEEhunter

HQ link doesnt work

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Nope and there's word about a mass exodus.

You can now beat sword people.

Reminds me of a Call of dutyish picture style lul.

There is no Invasion yet, nor can you play as an elite yet, bungie said they are gonna add game types on May 3 or soon, don't know. I also got a bungie render-to-video going on of a whole game type of Team Slayer on Swords(?) map (name?)

OH their ragdolls are ALOT better but they tend to go into the players body, like gmod if you mess up the collision on it.

Remember bungie saying lockdown protects you?


Eh.

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/Sc...97&size=medium
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/Sc...93&size=medium
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/Sc...83&size=medium
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/Sc...81&size=medium

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Originally Posted by Spartan094

There is no Invasion yet, nor can you play as an elite yet.

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You can play as an elite. There is a gametype called Covy Slayer (Elite slayer).

Also I got an extra code, but who gets it?:ohdear:

This beta's pretty fun!

I don't have the time to wade thru this thread at the moment, but the shite about extra codes is going to get cleaned up later. If you have extra codes you want to give away, then make a new thread for it (and anyone else there after can append to that same thread).

From here one out, any post about some code will get infracted for insubordination. This thread is about the upcoming Reach game. Talk about the game, not about if you have some code that will do you no fucking good come Monday.

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Originally Posted by ODX

IGN Preview of some Beta crap you probably already know (but some nice gameplay I suppose), couldn't get an exact link of their site so here's a Youtube one some random guy I'm friends with uploaded:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d61uaEJSCk&playnext_from=TL&videos=YtP2xm 76sUg&feature=recentu
Edit: Gametrailers has some junk up as well
http://www.gametrailers.com/game/halo-reach/11394

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Pause at 1:11.

I thought they wouldn't have duel weilding.

It was another player's weapon, it was a spawn point after all.

http://www.modacity.net/forums/blog.php?b=70

My thoughts.

Oddball was already shitty enough in Halo 3 because of the speed reduction and instant kill melee attack, why go and make it even shittier? :S

e: has anyone had a chance to play some CTF or stockpile, and if so, do people still do the FLAG DROPPED, FLAG TAKEN, FLAG DROPPED, FLAG TAKEN thing?

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Originally Posted by Pooky

Oddball was already shitty enough in Halo 3 because of the speed reduction and instant kill melee attack, why go and make it even shittier? :S

e: has anyone had a chance to play some CTF or stockpile, and if so, do people still do the FLAG DROPPED, FLAG TAKEN, FLAG DROPPED, FLAG TAKEN thing?

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I did one game of stockpile against a "there's a flag in this game?" team and I didn't try that crap, but I saw someone do it in a 1-flag CTF game. I forget if the flag still makes you move slow...

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Originally Posted by Pooky

e: has anyone had a chance to play some CTF or stockpile, and if so, do people still do the FLAG DROPPED, FLAG TAKEN, FLAG DROPPED, FLAG TAKEN thing?

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In stockpile, don't think there is..Havent noticed it, also when you pick a flag in stockpile, there is no hud indication of where flag is.

Spartan094, I've had the opposite, the guy had a hammer, and I ONLY just went into lockdown, and he died when he hit me:D

There should be a game option (not game feature, don't get your panties in a bunch) for punishing players who play fucking hot potato with the objective.

perma-ban from xbox live? xD

waiting for invasion, seems like fun, anyways

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Originally Posted by Malloy

perma-ban from xbox live? xD

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what

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Originally Posted by t3h m00kz

what

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he means a perma ban for flag cyclers

One of the halo reach elite backstab animations.

Look at the bungie forums!
They so mad!
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Originally Posted by Pyong Kawaguchi

Look at the bungie forums!
They so mad!
:realsmug:

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I know right? I'll get a video showing most of the backstab animations and some interesting ones.

Alright, cool.

Oh hey, the Theater.

Is there anything nice and new/better about it compared to Halo 3's or is it relatively the same?

Its better.
You'll see on the third.

There's a forward option now and the UI of course was redone to fit the look of Reach's overall design. Other than that there's nothing super special about it, and the one feature that could have made it really truly better is the ability to rewind in Campaign, which obviously we can't see that yet.

The rewind in campaign feature would be incredibly hard to set up though, because of the AI involved. I do hope Bungie finds a way to pull it off, but I really won't be surprised if they don't.

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Originally Posted by Pyong Kawaguchi

Its better.
You'll see on the third.

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I don't have ODST or for that matter, a 360.

:sadface:

so pyong how did YOU obtain a code, I'm curious as your methods of aquistion are normally shifty at best

microsoft expertzone

oh shit, didnt see korn's post till now, sorry

Guys korman00 said don't talk about it.

So here,

Assassinations from spartan to spartan.

And you know about the elite backstab animations, here it is again for my whole post to be findings of assassinations.


OH I got paired up with Polar and Limited while match-making lol. You didn't respond to my messages limited :ehhh:

I know talking about codes has been warned about, but Bungie just put out at least 500 or so codes (probably way more, but I don't want to say too high). Their two newest news posts, to be exact.

http://www.bungie.net/News/Blog.aspx?mode=news#cid25945

So, if you haven't gotten your hands on a code, this may be your last chance before Monday comes around.

Pff. There's always a lot of people F5'ing the shit out of the homepage. I tried on all three posts, for 10 minutes and just gave up. If anyone happens to get two, please send me via pm. In return you get infinite rep.

This game is fun. Too bad everyone playing is horrible and annoying.

reach is bad ass

Downloading now. Might be done by 1am. :ohdear:

I will get to play firefight later as long as detox's stuff works and the map works.