The Xbone

My point was that there is this attitude people have that we should all just ignore the things we dont like in the games industry and just enjoy games we want to enjoy. When Microsoft is actively persecuting people for legally speaking out about company policies that they dont agree with, its no longer an issue of "stfu and play". By forcing that woman to be fired, Microsoft is basically saying "we care more about stopping a little bad press than we do about our employees' well being", and that is a disgustingly shitty attitude. I feel like we, as the potential Xbox One community (and really any other community), have a responsibility to make Microsoft know when we're not ok with what they're doing.

It's like a kid stealing a cookie. If he doesn't get called out for it, he thinks he got away with it.

Company's governed by self interest and bean counters at the expense of customers and their workforce?

IMPOSSIBRLE

I think what's happened is a good thing. I'm not anti xbox, I just see this as an open door to new competitors who can now actually bring a console in that meets gamers criteria. I can't wait to see some real competition fire up from the failure of this :)

also inbe4 steam vs playstation

There are very, very, very few companies with the resources to penetrate the console market in 2013. Apple is the only one that comes to mind and they don't give a shit about games. It's like starting up a fucking telecom at this point.

Microsoft doesn't pay me and I wouldn't know where to start with this thread if they did. But I will say that 20% of the stuff discussed in here is fair-minded rationale for rejecting the Xbox One proposition. The other 80% is misinformation, half-truths, and outright bullshit. Nobody corrects anyone else as long as the sentiment is in favor of their overall agenda and that's how the kangaroo court of the internet works.

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Originally Posted by ejburke

There are very, very, very few companies with the resources to penetrate the console market in 2013. Apple is the only one that comes to mind and they don't give a shit about games. It's like starting up a fucking telecom at this point.

Microsoft doesn't pay me and I wouldn't know where to start with this thread if they did. But I will say that 20% of the stuff discussed in here is fair-minded rationale for rejecting the Xbox One proposition. The other 80% is misinformation, half-truths, and outright bullshit. Nobody corrects anyone else as long as the sentiment is in favor of their overall agenda and that's how the kangaroo court of the internet works.

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And out of the very few companies that may be able to do anything, there is still a chance of new more exciting contenders! Though I'm not sure I'd be excited by a samsung console heh

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Originally Posted by Bodzilla

Company's governed by self interest and bean counters at the expense of customers and their workforce?

IMPOSSIBRLE

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Yeah it's like what im saying is totally undiscovered information! Did you know you're actually looking at pixels on a screen when you play games?! You can make everything seem stupidly obvious when you generalize it that much. It's not about exposing some grand illuminati conspiracy theory for company self-interest or whatever. It's about spreading specific information to focus the internet outrage into appropriate channels, because,

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Originally Posted by ejburke

20% of the stuff discussed in here is fair-minded rationale for rejecting the Xbox One proposition. The other 80% is misinformation, half-truths, and outright bullshit. Nobody corrects anyone else as long as the sentiment is in favor of their overall agenda and that's how the kangaroo court of the internet works.

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burke has a good point: the internet loves to blindly rage. It also loves information, and when you give it specifics instead of just "companies suck because they make money!" you can focus that aggression onto the specific issues that are (re: should) be causing it. That's how shit gets fixed.

You're always going to have the people who just love to hate. Not much you can do about them.

nobody hates people because they make money. They hate the bullshit they do to make it.

^ true shit

So I know everyone has been super quick to just hate on the Xbone, but this feature makes all of their "DRM" well worth it in my opinion.

http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mis...any-ten-people

For the lazy people,

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Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere:Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.

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More information
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/microsoft-defends-the-xbox-ones-licensing-used-game-policies/

And again, Lazy people excerpt:

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Since its announcement, there has been some confusion over the details of sharing your Xbox One game library with up to ten "family members." Mehdi couldn't give comprehensive details, but he did clarify some things.For one, a family member doesn't have to be a "blood relative," he said, eliminating the extremely unlikely possibility that the Xbox One would include a built-in blood testing kit. For another, they don't have to live in the primary owner's house—I could name a friend that lives 3,000 miles away as one of my "family members" Mehdi said.

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For me, this feature is absolutely huge. The ability to be able to just browse through my friends libraries and play whatever games they have whenever I want? That is beyond amazing. Lets say you're up late, and you want to try out the new Tomb Raider game. You haven't played Tomb Raider in 15 years, and you see a few of your friends playing it. You could just download their copy and play it without having to pay for anything or having to bother them about meeting up to get the disk from them.

How about some new game that you just got that you want to show your brother who lives literally on the opposite side of the country as you? You can just tell him that he can play it, that it's in your shared library. I know there's games like "Metro: Last Light" that I'll buy and play through once, then it'll just sit in my library forever. Any of my 10 friends could jump in on that at some point and play through it without having to pay for the game.

Want to catch up on BioShock? Several of your friends will have it in their library and won't be playing. You could easily borrow a copy from them and play through the series without having to go to the store or deal with paying for anything.

This feature is a massive game changer. For some reason Microsoft has done an absolutely piss poor job of talking about this feature at all in any of their big press releases and so I feel like nobody even knows about it.

All I'm saying, is that I have a library of ~120 Xbox 360 games, 8 years from now I'd expect the same from the Xbox One.... and that then opens that library up to 10 of my friends who could go through and see what I was talking about when I was raving about "Singularity" back in the day.

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Originally Posted by Bodzilla

nobody hates people because they make money. They hate the bullshit they do to make it.

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Did something I said other than that off-handed, besides-the-point quote make you think I don't understand that?