Yes. Even water would be fine, if water had any effect whatsoever at removing the paste (it doesn't). I assume you already know not to over-saturate the cloth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freelancer
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Yes. Even water would be fine, if water had any effect whatsoever at removing the paste (it doesn't). I assume you already know not to over-saturate the cloth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freelancer
I use qtips usually since I don't have a lint-free cloth or whatever they are.
Coffee filter.
:aaaaa:
No one in this house drinks the crap.
:like:
Doesn't mean you can't go off to buy a small box for use as a lint-less cloth. I don't drink coffee myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freelancer
Use a glasses cloth?
Heh, I never thought of that. Probably because I never wear my glasses.
A nice, silky glasses cloth does the job for me.
I tried that once and it ended up being a one-time-use cloth cause I couldn't wash the paste off of it, and those cloths are expensive. I'll just use my qtips, takes longer but it works.
Everything is in (kinda)!!!
Check here for most recent updates:
http://www.overclock.net/intel-build...e-project.html
In separate news, AMD has started shipping the Opteron line of Bulldozer chips. That means the consumer parts should show up any day now.
There are rumors that the server chips are going to precede the desktop chips by a good while due to yield issues.
Hell, even if they do take a while to hit the shelves, my balance of aid check still might not make it before then. Not sure why, but a shitload of peoples loan/grant money still hasn't come in yet. I was worried that it might push me ever closer to buying a 2600k based system with the Sandy Bridge enthusiast chips being released shortly after, but Intel just shat out another wave of Sandy Bridge with lower TDP. I don't see Intel doing that then having another socket come around for a couple more months.
Bad part about it though is that it seems the 2600k rose 30 bucks in price to accommodate the new stuff.
There are also rumors that AMD can't get Bulldozer to clock high enough to demolish i7. I just want it because A.) it will inevitably be better than Phenom IIs, B.) be more than enough for my needs, C.) 8-core FX-series bragging rights, and D.) because I still only have one core right now.
I refuse to sell out to Intel, they get more than enough support. Deserved support, but somebody has to keep the competition running. :)
Fake E: Fuck that new smiley.
Intel? Don't you mean Chipzilla? ;)
It's unfortunate that Bulldozer has taken so long actually, it's supposed to be the competitor for Sandy Bridge. Sandy Bridge has pretty much lived out its life already and people are already looking towards Ivy Bridge, and what has AMD done? Not even release a competitor chip yet. That means while Bulldozer chips are finalized and the kinks are worked out of motherboard designs, Intel got over that B3 revision SATA 2/3 fiasco and many other revisions to B3 have already been made.
EDIT: First post from upgraded system btw, trying to figure out why enabling SLI causes my system to reboot... Read it was a BIOS issue so I updated but that's not it. Still haven't installed all Windows Updates yet though (installing SP1 now), so hopefully that sorts it. I did (stupidly) install a driver version that I had trouble with pre-upgrade, so this might just be my fault for being ignorant of the signs...
Whoop whoop whoop!
My replacement GTX 470 that replaced my replacement GTX 285 that replaced my original GTX 285 needs to be replaced! It's defective, as tested by me over the course of 6 straight hours, 6+ driver versions, as many expansions slots combinations as I could manage, and confirmation by EVGA.
They're sending me a pre-paid shipping label again since this is the second replacement that lasted a month before kicking the bucket.
Time to try ATI again mb? That's three blown cards now.
Since Nvidia and ATI just provide the GPU which is very unlikely to break, you should just try another company that actually builds the card itself. Though EVGA should be one of the best :D
I use Zotac...a chinese company which never broke down on me so I'm fine xD
:like:Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
My cards seem fine :3
You're enjoying that new emot way to much.
I know. But, it's an opportunity to try the other camp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrickssj6
Not really an opportunity since I still have another GTX 470. Since I run SLI I wouldn't change unless both cards conked out at the same time.
EVGA does manufacture its own cards btw, so I don't see how switching to another brand (with inferior customer service) would help.
Sorry wrong sentence structure. I meant: You should try another company that builds graphic cards (and not switch from NVIDIA to ATI who just provide the GPU).Quote:
Originally Posted by Freelancer
I understood, Nvidia does the same thing really. They provide the GPU and a reference design and then license it out to manufactures like MSI, EVGA, GIGABYTE, ETC... I don't know why I would WANT to try another brand of Nvidia card besides EVGA though. With the exception of the hassle of waiting for an RMA there has been minimal disruption to me, and they get back to your support requests very fast. Not to mention the awesome phone support they have.
Not telling anyone what to do that but I never had an RMA in my life thus I never had to call support :D It just seems you get a lot of broken stuff.
^That.
eVGA is only king because XFX left for ATI and BFG quit the business altogether. I just buy what meets my performance needs and budget constraints while taking into account user reviews after those constraints are met. I am running a broken eVGA card right now, actually. Broken out of the box, the entire line.
Well here's the thing, the cards I have been getting back are all "re-certified" cards. I don't know EXACTLY what than entails but according to EVGA they're not refurbished cards, apparently re-certification means they usually go back to the factory testing facilities and run all the QA tests again.
That said, when I inquired about getting a new factory-fresh card they said that it would of been possible except that GTX 470's are no longer in production. They said that if the new replacement is a lemon as well, or the one that I still have does the way of the dodo, then I'm well within my warranty coverage to ask them for a pair of factory-fresh GTX 560 ti's or 570's depending on what their stock is like at the time.
So I'd rather stick with EVGA and their questionable re-certified stock and get free upgrades every few months than switch to another manufacturer.
Also, how's this?
Keep in mind that LinX is one of the most intensive stress testing applications. My point being that; yes I hit 73 degrees while running LinX but that means almost nothing else in normal usage will get that high.
I didn't really run it 100% properly either, I still had a few useless background applications running and I didn't kill off the recommended Windows Services.
Better results after enabling C1E and C3/C6 States, I know it doesn't make sense but whatever. With these Enabled it will cut down power usage and temps when it's not working hard.
You should be getting close to 100Gflop. Please install W7 SP 1 ...
SP1 is installed lol, we seem to be having this discussion on OCN as well... Take a gander at this thread, since you and some of the people there seem to be confused as how to properly run LinX/IntelBurnTest.
EDIT: Okay yeah... LinX fails, to anyone I recommended it to, use IntelBurnTest instead.Quote:
ow to test CPU and RAM stability (summarized):
Pre. You need to extract everything from the archive to a single folder, while
maintaining the original directory structure.
1. It is best to use a 64-bit OS with the 64-bit mode for the most accurate
test result.
2. Use the most available RAM possible (IntelBurnTest can now do this on
its own automatically). The more memory it uses, the more accurate.
However, most people can use "Standard" mode as it should be sufficient.
rude
Hold onto you're dicks gentlemen http://www.anandtech.com/show/4793/x...si-at-idf-2011
Coming soon™ :haw:
Still waiting on student loan money to show up. Wondering if the 2700k will show up or the consumer bulldozers appear before I get my money. Supposedly, we'll start getting bulldozer benchmarks later this week or so.
I love how it says ATi Crossfire-X on the Gigabyte motherboard. FUCK AMD BRANDING!
Extremely dislike the color-schemes they used... MSI picked up Gigabytes blue and white shit and Gigabyte chose to go with orange instead of red for some weird reason... RAM on either side of the processor socket is gay unless you've got slots for 8 DIMM's instead of 4.
Waiting for one of the 8 slot ones to come out so I can cram 32GB of super cheap 4GB sticks into it :D
e: and SB-e as well
Well, it's quad channel, so it makes more sense that it's done that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freelancer
Rambus talked someone into buying their stuff whoa~!
Hopefully that choice leads to some epic GPUs because bulldozer is a flop :ohdear:
Sup guys, i'm currently contemplating the possibility of maybe, but maybe not, i'm torn between indecision of getting a new keyboard.
(i'm thinking about a new keyboard)
This is my current one
I've got a Saitek eclipse II at the moment and it's been awesome for about 4 years but i've just started to have some buttons die on me.
my f8, f9 key are dead and so is my "next song" and left windows key.
i cant do quick loads in Deus ex HR because i cant rebind the keys (seriously wtf) and it's a little frustrating not being able to go to the next song.
I've done the big cleanout pulled it all apart soaked it but to no avail, the pathway from these buttons to the receiver or controller or what ever is just dead which is a shame.
So i'm looking for something thats a backlit keyboard, has some buttons for music and just looks and feels like a good solid standard keyboard. Basically the same dael as what i've got now.
What do you recommend?
@InnerGoat: Possibly. AMD better have a compelling reason to price the FX-8150 in Core i7 930 territory. As for the HD 7970, that is one sick card. Looks like I'll be waiting on that one as well as a Bulldozer CPU.
Bodie, check out the Logitech Slim Illuminated. It has music buttons, is back-lit, and is a VERY solid keyboard.
Where is 7990 infos :(
been looking around a little bit.... i've got a Razer Carc headset, but being a 3.5 jack headset i cant choose between having vent come out my headset and everything else through my speakers like i could on my old USB headset.
Some of the keyboards i've seen have inbuild sound cards and USB ports for headsets exactly for this reason, to allow me to separate my sound.
What do you guys recommend in this range thats still wired, illuminated and has inputs at the back.
does anybody else in the forum use a keyboard this way?
Looks like the check for my grant is in the mail. Here's a last minute run through of what I'm planning to get. Anything horribly wrong?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115070 2600k
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835118003 CPU cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131702 5 year warranty mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820233142 2x2x4GB RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136929 HDD (looking to make a file server later for render output this will do for now)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130655 GTX 580 (lawl 3gb)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817153131 650 watt psu
Picking up a full tower case, optical, keyboard, and an OEM Win7 copy to go with my already owned mouse.
I forget, why do you think you need the 2600k instead of the 2500k again? 2600k is better for rendering, video editing, large photo editing, 3D models and such, etc... 2500k will be better for gaming and normal use with a bit of the previous stuff mixed in occasionally.
You would probably make use of the extra cores/threads so I'd say you can stick with the 2600k, but if you got the 2500k you could also get a better cooler (like a Corsair H100 or Noctua DH-D14) and clock the 2500k at 4.6GHz easily. If you like overclocking, the 2500k handles it a lot better than the 2600k as well... Most people need to disable HT on the 2600k to get it stable at decent temperatures.
Also, the GTX 580 3GB will draw about 400 watts at load... That leaves you with 250 for the rest of the system, if you ever add another graphics card or a bunch of hard drives you will need a more powerful PSU most likely.
Because I will be doing a lot of rendering, video compositing, large photo editing, modeling, etc.
Kinda wanting a bit of both worlds here. The 3GB version won't give me anything more in games, but it will hopefully be put to use in rendering. Would much rather have a 590 for the cores to go with the extra 1.5GB, but I dont see it in stock anywhere.
I knew I was pushing the PSU, but I'm planning on a file server build next semester, so I was kinda letting it be. There's a sale on the same brand/rating PSU but 100w stronger putting it 10 bucks cheaper. Gonna go for that just for a bit more padding to go with the unit as it ages.
I'll be staying at stock clocks for the time being.
I'd stick with the 2600k then, Tiger Direct has some GTX 590's in stock:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...GW1kAobNWccVWQ
Not sure what shipping would be like though.
Hmm, actually, Tiger Direct doesn't have a warehouse in my state, so I dont have to pay sales tax. If they have all the components, it'd be cheaper for me to get it through there.
edit: meh, they dont and mixing non-snail shipping would basically make the price the same.
edit again: lawl, even though the 590 is more expensive, getting it through Tiger Direct still makes both orders combined cheaper. Gonna play around and look for a sweet spot. I'm guessing the light weight stuff will keep the quick shipping costs down.
That 590 Classified is one bad ass card, you should get it hehe.
Yep. As long as they don't sell out between now and tomorrow I'll be able to nab it at just under my budget. I can't even begin to imagine how awesome Max will run with it.
Just make sure you give it the active cooling it needs. You said you're getting a full-tower case, see if you can get one with included or open fan grilles on the side.
Yeah, there's a 200mm intake on the side panel.
:( They sold out of 590s over the weekend. Know any other place that sells them?
They are discontinued so, good luck with that!
Call (don't email) EVGA customer support directly and ask them. You never know, maybe there's some B-STOCK.
Other than that, Ebay. I saw one starting at like $530 on there the other day, auction seemed legit.
you mean they've literally stopped making them?
what
the
fuck
Yeah, fuck nVidia.
if the 590 is gone get the 6990...
There are some things I love about ATI, but fuck catalyst. I'd rather buy a 460 and wait for the 600 series.
What's wrong with CCC? Have you tried CCC2?
Yeah they literally stopped making them, the production run on the Nvidia dual processor Nvidia cards is always short. That said, the 6990 is the more powerful of the two right now. Tri-SLI 580's still rape SLI 590's or Crossfire 6990's though...
If the 6990 will do the rendering stuff you want I'd go with it, it's louder but more powerful. CCC is a lot better as well, I have to admit it.
When I next build a whole new monster gaming system I'll just be getting whichever GPU solution is fastest, regardless of Nvidia vs AMD. Meaning if Tri-SLI single GPU Nvidia cards offer the best performance, I'll do that. If Crossfrire dual processor cards from AMD offer the best performance, I'll do that instead, etc...
we've been telling you to do that from the start lol.
oh well glad to see you've dropped the fanboyism
Nvidia is still better if you're planning on using CUDA, GPU Acceleration, PhysX, or 3D. I don't use CUDA as much anymore but we'll see what the GTX 600 and HD 7000 series look like.
Well, looks like TD has them "back in stock" but it says they will ship 7-21 days from the order getting placed since it's handled through a third party. Hope it won't take too long and they won't sell out overnight before I can get to the bank and deposit my grant.
this is going to suck, btw, if it takes too long because the mobo I got doesn't have a vga adapter.
Tell them that. TD is usually decent about customer service.
Maybe call Memory Express, they show the Asus GTX 590 as "backordered" on this page. They may be able to get you one quicker. I'd call them up and ask them to call their suppliers to see whats up on that front.
Ordered everything. Luckily, I got an evga GTX 590 from TD, but it could take a month to get here? Bought a cheap 550ti off newegg to get me started and serve as a backup should anything happen to the 590. Case that I ordered through free snail should arrive sometime today and next day shipping should put everything here friday at the latest. I only have one class thursday, so I may just skip it and put the thing together then. Sucks that the 550 put me about 100 bucks over my planned budget, but I can deal with that.
You should of just grabbed a GTX 210 or something. Or used your existing GPU temporarily if you have one. Will the 550ti even provide much of a dedicated PhysX card capability once you get the GTX 590?
not sure and don't really care at this point. Took 6 hours fighting with Visa to get the payment authorized.
Cheapest thing they really had that could still provide basic function in either a game or 3ds Max was the 550. Would have just bought a 15 dollar adaptor to let me see the screen, but I'd at least like to use the thing should the 590 take a full month to get here.
Yeah, that works I guess. Might as well leave the 550 in the system after the 590 arrives so you can dedicate it to PhysX.
Don't know of any PhysX titles I'd be interested in playing. Had a good long chat with those guys back in March at Raleigh though when East Coast Conference was going on.
Yeah but if you still have the 550 after you get the 590, why not? You could run 6 monitors (albeit only 3 in Nvidia Surround mode) as well.
Also, you got the EVGA GTX 590 right? When it comes in, please talk to me and I'll give you my referral code for the EVGA affiliate program for when you register it. It earns me 2 EVGA Bucks that I can redeem in their store eventually, as well as an entry to win a "huge" prize that month.
Where's the incentive for him? lol
550 is evga too if you can get stuff off it as well.
I'll just post my affiliate code here, if anyone gets an EVGA product in the future, I'd love for you guys to use my code!
5U6XPP77ZN
Click the above to register an EVGA product with my affiliation code. You need to upload a copy of the invoice within 30 days to your account for affiliations to go through successfully I think. You'll need to do this for a Step-Up program or RMA anyway, so you might as well do it while you have everything on hand!
Got the thing put together this evening. Took five hours because cable management was a bitch. Still not sure what the fuck Thermaltake is doing with their fan wiring. The single bit of documentation on it is stupidly vague and doesn't even describe what's going on. Win7 installed onto the Raptor in like ten minutes. Was pretty crazy. Kinda worried about how well the HSF is covering the processor with paste. Was completely off the mark on the first seating and had to give it another go after repasting. There was very little sliding to secure the bracket, but I'm gonna have to keep an eye on temps tomorrow when I start loading drivers, software, and stress it a bit. Got plenty of pictures I'll put in the other thread as well.
I always go with the "grain-of-rice" style pasting. Seems to always work pretty well. Even if you need to twist the cooler around a bit you should be fine.
Also, grats on your nice rig man. I'm trying to figure out what I want to replace my 500GB mediocre Seagate drives with. And SSD under 200GB or a couple 300GB Raptors in RAID-0.
I would have a pair of 300gb raptors right now, but when the guy packaging one of them put on the bumpers for shipping, he mashed down on the SATA power header causing it to break. Got one of them running right now and it's loud as fuck. Sounds like my hard drive from 1995 at some times. Gonna be a bit interesting when the other gets back from RMA and I pair it into RAID-0. This is definitely incentive for a SSD though. I'll probably go for a 100ish GB SSD for the OS and commonly used productivity and dump everything else on platters. Will have to wait till mid January though :(.
The only two fans working in the case right now are the CPU and rear exhaust. Can't quite figure out why the other three aren't being detected. It's probably some shitty wire job from TT >_<. Even so, my CPU is idling between 17c and 30c depending on what's going on in the background right now.
Drivers and such are pretty much installed. Can't do much graphical stuff with the 550, but I can push the CPU a little to see how it does.
edit: Running a super huge render on max. All 8 threads are running full 100% and my CPU temp has seemingly stabilzed at 75-76c and vcores at 60c. I've left it at stock, but it's current clock is at 4.4GHz. This is the boosting the chip does, right? From the couple of bits I've read, these temps are inline with other air cooling solutions. Guess the HSF turned out okay. Looking forward to seeing how it cures.
Those temps look normal and the 4.4GHz is the Turbo-Boost that Intel includes.
Hi...
I need a new PC and i was considering building my own...
Otherwise its pretty much this
Basically it's:
AMD Phenom II X6 1055T 6 x 2.8 GHz (automatic overclocking to 3.3 GHz)
Mainboard: ASUS M4A79T
Graphics: 1024 MB ATI Radeon HD 6870 GDDR5 (overclocked)
8 GB RAM
1 TB HDD
for 580€/$770
I was wondering if I can get an equivalent rig cheaper / something more powerful for the same amount if I build it myself. Also it seems kinda stupid to get something without usb 3.0 (although I might be mistaken)
Anyone who knows more about this stuff than I do have any suggestions? ;-)
Thanks in advance
There aren't many devices out there that use USB 3.0 right now, so no big loss on that front yet. They will be starting to flourish though, all new devices should be designed for USB 3.0 so keep that in mind.
The price looks decent, but even with the same components you could probably build it yourself a little cheaper.
You could probably safely shave off AT LEAST $150 (maybe 200) off that. But it is a decent price.
Any one know when Intel CPU prices will drop? I can't play BF3 on shit PCs forever. I'm tempted to go out and build the following rig if prices don't come down by November :/
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Originally Posted by Amit
MB: Asus M4A87TD EVO AMD 870 Sockel AM3 84 eur/113 usd
CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1075T 6x 3.00GHz boxed 125 Watt 137 eur/183 usd
GPU: PowerColor 1024MB 6870 PCIe 2.1 152 eur/205 usd
RAM: 4GB Corsair XMS3 Kit PC3-12800U (DDR3-1600) 28 eur/ 38 usd
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 6Gb/s ST500DM002 35 eur/ 47 usd
Disk drive: Samsung SH-B123L Blu-ray SATA 56 eur/75 usd
adds up to 519 eur/700 usd
Did I miss any incompatibilities? I picked a mainboard with AM3 socket/USB 3.0 kind of at random so if anyone has a better idea I welcome it... Also I still need a power unit, does anyone have any suggestions for that or about my configuration in general? What kind of wattage am I going to need? The stock CPU cooler should be enough if I don't plan on doing any overclocking?
Thanks in advance :downs:
EDIT:
For the power supply I'm guessing this: be quiet! Pure Power L7 530W 55 eur/ 75 usd
price seems to be alright and it seems to be one of the few with 2 PCIe cables which seem to be required for the 6870^^ and 530 watts should be enough.
The phenom ii 6x3 ghz seems a bit overkill, an athlon ii 645 x4 (4x3.1ghz) 90 eur/ 120 usd seems more appropriate; it's a good bit cheaper too. What exactly is the difference between the phenoms and athlons?
EDIT 2:
Apparently the Athlons/Phenoms only support RAM at 1333Mhz, so 4GB Corsair XMS3 2x2GB Kit PC3-10666 (DDR3-1333) same price and is it just me or is AMD Phenom II X4 980 Prozessor 3,7GHz Black Edition Box 95eur/125usd too cheap?
AMD is seemingly delaying Bulldozer due to yield issues. I doubt Intel will drop prices to compete with AMD until it makes a consumer launch. Intel is supposed to be refreshing the 2600k spot with a 2700k sometime before Holiday though. Other than that, you'll probably find yourself waiting till February for SandyBridge-E for the next price change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amit
Ugh. I'm not willing to wait till the holidays. My iMac can play BF3 @ 30FPS on low settings and at a severely reduced res of 1280x720, but I need a PC that will play it proper at 1680x1050 on medium at the least. AMD setup it is. At least I'll be ready for bulldozer with my AM3+ MB.
My GTX 590 will be here tomorrow. I have a question about using the 550ti as a dedicated PPU. My motherboard has two PCI express slots (1x16 or 2x8). If I use the 550ti I have as a placeholder, would it cut the 590 down to x8 speeds?
Depends on how the motherboard handles PCI-E lane bandwidth.
Also, did you use my referral code above? I don't have a referral for the 550 yet.
No, haven't done any of that stuff yet. Gonna wait till I get a hard drive back from RMA before I do all my warranty stuff.
KK, post pics of 550 beside 590 when it comes in today!
EDIT: Just looked into your motherboard PCIe layout. According to the specs on Newegg you'll get:
"2 x PCIe 2.0 x16 (single at x16 or dual at x8/x8 mode)"
So if you use the 550 as a PPU in the second PCIe slot then the GTX 590 will run at x8 speeds. I'm not sure how much bandwidth a 590 will actually use, but keep in mind that your board has PCIe 2.0 slots (probably 2.1). PCIe 2.0 x16 is 8GB/s, so PCIe 2.0 x8 is going to be 4GB/s which is still quite a bit...
Seems that on 8x it should be alright. Now, I'm concerned about power consumption. If the 550ti and 590 both eat their full amount of power, it'd overload my PSU.
If the 550 is running as a dedicated PPU I really doubt it would exceed 50% power usage. The 590 likely won't ever draw FULL load for an extended period, benchmarking and such is really the only thing that stresses GPU's that much.
From what I've found, it really depends on how much the application stresses the PPU side of rendering. If the physics scale to whatever amount of power is available, it will use the PPU to 100%.
590 showed up right before I headed out to campus. I was expecting the large box like what the SLI comes in, but with only one card. It's a different box and packaging. Worst of all, it didn't come with a free shirt and mouse pad :(.
Since the 550 and 590 both use the same driver, do I need to uninstall the current drivers before putting the 590 in?
No need to uninstall the driver, but I'd swap cards, boot, make sure everything is working, then shutdown, install 550 again.
FYI, you have 30 days to register your cards for lifetime warranty. So do it in that time frame (while using my referral code).
ZEPH WHERE ARE THE PICTURES!!
So I was actually getting low memory warnings editing 1080p Fraps video in Premiere from Battlefield 3... "ERROR: Fraps codec could not allocate enough memory", in addition to the standard Windows warnings.
Think I should upgrade to 16GB?
And you have 8GB? What is taking up so much memory?
I was watching resource monitor as I was editing, seemed like whenever I scrolled/tracked through the footage it just ate memory. Tracking back and forth would just cause the memory usage to keep climbing.
knock knock
who's there
bulldozer ............. :ehhh:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/t...-fx8150-tested
AMD:
1) Hype new processor.
2) Delay release.
3) Release product.
4) Benchmarks are underwhelming.
5) Goto 1.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...C-C8junctionCA
Oh god AMD what are you doing these prices are way too high :ugh:
I wasn't surprised actually, for some reason I knew that the Bulldozer consumer chips were just going to suck hard. At the price point there is NO REASON not to go Intel and get better all-around performance.
