Only in America...I kid.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEEhunter
People are already comparing this to video games.
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Only in America...I kid.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEEhunter
People are already comparing this to video games.
It's war, shit happens. This isn't news, it's just horrible and another juicy story to fuel all the US hatred floating around.
Sickening.
It is news, and it should be discussed, because what's fueling anti-American mindsets is American actions. War doesn't need to have civilian deaths, so the "shit happens" response isn't valid in the least. You should always be looking at your current system and attempting to improve it. It really boggles my mind that people will take such a laid-back, indifferent, "that's just the way it is" response to not only war, but to their systems of government, economic structure, social norms, media trends, all these things that could constantly benefit from reform and refinement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Good_Apollo
People, you are allowed to be wrong, don't ever forget it. In fact, hope for it. If something has a problem, solve it, and be prepared for when the solution fails you. People don't look down upon the United States because it's the cool thing to do, they do it because America demonstrates clear and present problems. And ignoring the problem will only make it worse.
Who says I support Civilian deaths?Quote:
Originally Posted by thehoodedsmack
This is just another video showing soldiers following orders with, unfortunately, results that involve unneeded deaths. It's sad and you can discuss it until the end of time, but sad and needless death has always been a part of war, and it always will be. You can discuss to death on ways to improve ROE, and that's fine, but stop using these videos to fuel your anti-War or anti-US arguments.
In the video all I see are a bunch of soldiers (albeit cocky, maybe even assholes) doing what they're supposed to and engaging targets that look like threats. It's easy to sit and home and be an armchair politician and ethics professor in your warm house while watching videos of war, dissecting them to your liking and furthering your viewpoints in comfort.
It got even worse when they felt they had to kill unarmed people coming to take the bodies away and aid the wounded. That's really fucking low.
best post on this forum... ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by thehoodedsmack
it was like playing death from above in MW all over again but let me just say this.
"the government LIED TO ME? about the war in Iraq?! who knew!"
I'm pretty sure it is against the law to willfully harm aid to the wounded on the battlefield.
Nobody did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Good_Apollo
No, the idea of "this is the way it is, and always will be" is what's sad and needless. Also:Quote:
Originally Posted by Good_Apollo
Do you have any idea what you just said? To shed some light on what this appears as to an impartial (that's me, by the way) reader, you are suggesting that people should not use the incriminating evidence of military misconduct when judging the reliability of the military structure. Please reiterate or explain what you meant, if indeed I have misinterpreted your statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Good_Apollo
That video showcases the bureaucratic murder of civilians, who were of no threat to, may I say, an invading force, who were gunned down because the military supervisors saw fit to give absolute rights of judge, jury, and executioner to trigger-happy soldiers. And people are worried about Obama death-panels...Quote:
Originally Posted by Good_Apollo
Edit: Edited in after your edit:
It's also easy to press a button and take a life when you're miles away in an armored helicopter. What is your point, exactly? You're attacking, I assume, me? I've made no confrontation against you, but rather the views expressed, so to try to attack my character and lifestyle is irrelevant, childish, and nothing but a detriment to the goal of what I am now forced to assume is winning an argument. An argument with only one participant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Good_Apollo
And suppose, instead of being two kids in that car, men popped out and blew those helicopters out of the sky? Wonder what you'd say about the deaths of those soldiers, probably good riddance, the war in Iraq is a sham anyway..?Quote:
Originally Posted by thehoodedsmack
Insurgents have already proven a multitude of times that they care not about the civilians they're trying to 'liberate,' often using them as shields to disrupt ROE for the US/Coalition.
I.E. War is hell, you expect bullets and death from every corner, especially in this campaign where there is no uniformed, regular enemy. I'm not going to try to make these soldier's feel bad about following orders and call the military incompetent. They'll already have to live with the blood of two children on their hands. It's just another notch in the horrors of war, and you can't ever rationalize it.
You can't make those assumptions, and you can't look for excuses to shoot at a bunch of people. I don't see why you're defending them; this was a major fuckup on their part because they shot first and asked questions later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Good_Apollo