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:/ this is still going on?
inb4lock?
E: Look, how about we let this go, and you can just flame them ingame when you see someone using those extra 20 degrees to their extreme advantage. Make sure you can prove it too. I'm sure theirs gonna be a sightjacker to come out for h2v. You could use that, record it, and report them to bungie.
Either that or just not give a shit, because H2Vista has no ranking system of any kind, so it REALLY doesn't matter if someone has an advantage or not. If this were the XBox title, however, THEN I think there'd be an issue.
Not to mention, look at all the shit released for Halo 1 PC. Third Person FOV hacks and chasecams and shit. I really don't care if people use them, third person's fun sometimes to be honest. Gears of War camera ftw.
I took a look more into it using the 3p hack for CE.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnyblaz20
The difference between 70 and 90 degrees is about an inch more around the whole screen. While yeah, you can see a bit more around you, in most cases you're focused more on what's around your crosshair. What it boils down to is personal preference; the 90 degree field makes the FP hand positions more realistic, and it seems less claustrophobic.
As for thirdperson, while you could move the camera around freely with bitter's hack, the fact that there's only one button on the Halo 2 hack leads me to believe that it does something like make the player's camera into the standard over-the-shoulder mounted turret camera. And again, peeking around the corner strategies here don't work that well; you can only peek around corners to your right, and if you pop out for a shot, your cover is blown and you end up eating a grenade sandwich.
I fully agree.
I was actually joking, saying to use a hack to catch a hacker. He would be just as guilty.
I just tested the third person. And, to my expectations, it makes your shots innacurate. I.E. They shoot BELOW the reticule. The third person, while giving the player a better FOV, also makes the shots innacurate.
You can't even zoom in with it in third person. DEFINITELY not an advantage while sniping. Especially since you have to MINIMIZE Halo 2 to hit the button.
I don't know if you guys recall bb's fixed TP for halo pc? Made sure the cross hair didn't screw up. Though, it was not all that good because you'd see cutting in the gameplay where the crosshair is trying to sort out where it SHOULD be when going up a hill, or down, or jumping.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muki Hyena
I'm really sorry to say this, but from my experience of playing H2V, I have gotten bored so quickly that I can't even join servers. This game, even with new maps, doesn't make me go dang, up for h2v anyone? It makes me say oh, good job. I, myself use fov to sort out my widescreen moniter. Aswell as to go back to the fov we had on xbox. Everytime I've used this program, I've played worse. For one, as said before, the TP HUD is inaccurate.
Watching round corners is something you CAN do, but hell, every time I do it, the server is a laggy as fuck, and my melees turn into clusterfucks, and I end up receiving a gun planted in my back. (Lol, lunging melee)
While cheating is something I don't want to see in the future, I can fully see these apps helping with machinima, removing hud, making a better panoramic view for FP camera filming etc. Calm down guys, aslong as there are games there will be hacks. I haven't seen a game come out hack free. Hell, games with continuous support still have hacks, and the reason there is support is because alot of the community want to go beyond the game's playing box. Most devs are just making sure no dangerous apps come out, like player highlighting, see throughable bsp, etc.
I can fully understand why some apps are not removed, because they can make the game fun again. As soon as halo 1 became boring for me, I began pubbing with TP to try out new gameplay. I even filmed incase people thought I was unfairly using it. Honestly, this app will not give you an advantage. Just because an app is nulled out in updates doesn't make it intentional, I recall this happeneing to PY. If you have problems with a hack on the forums, just pm an admin/mod, because if a thread survives this long, it's fine. It will not be removed.
Rosco nailed it.
"Calm down guys, aslong as there are games there will be hacks. I haven't seen a game come out hack free."
I agree 100% with that quote.
The height issue has been fixed, and sprt4n is adding the keyboard controlls, check the first post soon for the update.
Some of us want this only for single player, so no ethical problems there.
True, and for those who have xp only, Im working on a version of it for xp :)
i never heard about it :vQuote:
Originally Posted by InnerGoat
Turns out, my program will work on xp (fov only!) if you set it to 1.06 or higher.
I know im replying a little late but,
@Vicky, wow, so it makes the camera view wider ZOMGZ HE NAOW INSTANTLY DOMINATES EVERY1 ONLINZEZ, im glad you stopped with your bitching.
@lone wolf, So us non controller users can minimize and change the fov with the application?
Im working on that >.>
also the new fov makes the game play pc worthy.
Well this enables you to do something that the creators locked. Maybe it's for a reason maybe by accident but that's beside the point. So it enables you to change your FOV via memory modification. A bypass to the Developer's idea and plan for fair gameplay. If they thought it fair it would be a simple thing for them to include.
Fair or unfair it's a hack and yes the community decided to allow it, i respect it but where do you draw the line? When does a good hack go bad? What if you could set your camera 10ft infront of you with a hotkey? is that bad? If you could jump a fraction of a unit higher than everyone else it would just be a slight advantage like this right? Or make the evergy sword strike slightly faster or even something like double shot for the BR? I know someone is working on that. How about the autoaim? I'm sure it is possible to ENABLE it for keyboard and mouse. I mentioned those because they are all obviously unfair but alot of people would like to see those. And they would only give you a slight advantage in certain aspects of the game.
The reason i don't like this "and i now see it's basicly just my opinion" is someone could easily use the info from this hack and make a dangerous FOV hack. Upping the FOV to say 1.6 makes a fisheyes type widescreen effect like this hack does but downstepping the address's value gives the player a zoom effect. that is more than unfair. And someone who knows what he's doing could make the camera lead instead of follow the player with the 3rd person mod just by using a differant cord address that is close to the one used. Or just differant values. Say your running with the flag and you want to see around a corner. Hit the hotkey and bam. there you go.
So my conclusion is if you see this just as a tool to "enable" the FOV and 3rd person and not a out and out hack you're wrong. And if this is okay why would Autoaim enabling or melee lunge distance be bad? Again Where do you draw the line?
Agree or disagree. I"m allowed my opinion and i think it's very valid.
See, the point is (and I am not flaming him) that your opinion...however valid it may be, is utterly pointless now because its already been allowed. So you can opinionate up and down all you want, but all it succeeds in doing is create little quibbles. Making people crotchety is surely not your goal? So whether you deem it fair or not, its allowable and going to be used. So you might as well have quit a while ago.
Your just making people a little testy, and little testes are bad.
Thats my sights on this :/
But fuck all hell what I say, right?
P.S. Quotes (") are not used as parentheses...
I really appreciate the Defense people are giving the app. and I am sorry to all who are offended by this, but because its easily obtainable, It shouldnt be a problem.
I think complaining about this hack is a bit... dumb. And, since we're all talking about valid opinions...
1. Halo 2 doesn't have ranks. Winning doesn't really matter. (I feel like I'm repeating myself...)
2. Let's look at Halo 1, EVERYONE has an FOV hack. I don't hear anybody complaining about THAT.
3. Again, you have to MINIMIZE the game to use it unless you're using a controller, which is practically an aimbot anyway if you mix holding down a D-pad button with a rubber band with mouse and keyboard, it toggles the auto-aim.
The game doesn't have ranks, and has some seriously heavily exploitable glitches to begin with. I think a hack like this is the last thing you need to worry about. Instead, watch out for those controller fags.
Apparently having auto-aim by spending money on an XBox controller is legit, but using this third person hack that screws up your aim isn't.
y so srs
LOL!!! Well said. Never thought about it that way.....No point in defending this app if its already been allowed.... No point arguing against it either.... no point arguing about OTHER hacks that arent even out yet (like aimbot) because that would be off-topic eh? No point arguing about anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathen
If you are in an arguing mood, however, I'll give you all something to argue about. I don't care what ANY OF YOU say. broccoli is simply the MOST disgusting thing in the universe. <---- argue against that if you want :p
johnnyblaz20, I suggest you go hop into the gunner seat of a warthog, then tell me the creators locked 1st person.
Also spartan, if you chop the lil "leaf like" ends of a broccoli eat that with a bit of roast potatoe and chicken with gravy and omg it takes so good.
Broccolli also tastes really good in soup form :)
I don't even care anymore. You guys like it, i don't. It's just a fact. I probably couldn't convince you guys that ice is cold or the sky is blue without getting told i'm wrong anyways.
Hard to convince someone that already knows and accepts those facts, since, well, they already know and accept those facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnyblaz20
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Originally Posted by johnnyblaz20
You didn't have to get into an argument, you could have pmed an administrator or moderator to sort the thread out instead of being proven wrong by them in public.
you guys are insane, broccoli is probably the best vegetable there is.
Is the link not working for anybody else?
Well i was not proven wrong but i'd like to just move on. In my eyes this is a hack made through memory modifying made for nothing but advantage. In your eyes it is not. Fine.
The link to the Hack isnt working? try again in about 15 min, and if it doesnt work, ill upload the fixed 3p height version.Quote:
Originally Posted by TPE
Uhhh, yeah, about that first bit...Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnyblaz20
You are right about it being a hack. I think you meant to say it was a cheat though :downs:.
Yes, there is some conspiracy to gain an extra half an inch of screen real estate to give us some impossibly tiny nonexistant advantage! Oh noes guys, he's found us out!
Seriously, get it out of your head that this is a cheat. The only people who will get any actual usage out of an app like this are the people with widescreen monitors that want a larger FoV so that they can get the most out of their expensive screens. The only people who will try to use this to cheat are idiots - lowering the field of view makes it harder to track moving targets and also hinders your ability to see things in your peripheral vision.
Basically, you can't see shit and you can't hit shit, therefore you are shit if you try to use this as a hack. However, people like me who have widescreen monitors can enjoy non-stretched visuals.
Seriously, drop it and stop commenting about it because each time you say "O well i'd lik to move on" you are attracting more people with your comments.
@OP - User Interface is terrible but the concept and implementation is good.
ill let that comment slide just because of your awesome sig. if you had any other sig, i wouldve *insert a descent threat here*Quote:
Originally Posted by StankBacon™
Broccoli owns.
Onions suck.
Do not discuss. :cop:
Thanks for the hack. :) Ugh drama...
Also, celery. :-3
Forgot to reply but the link still does not work.
*sad panda*
Link fixed, now I gotta find out where the hell I put the fixed 3p version
Yeah... um its still not working. Is anybody else having issues?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprt4n117
Well thanks for being an adult and admitting I'm smarter than you, and am always right. ;)
TPE, maybe you need to clear firefox cache? tools -> clear private data. sometimes when you download something, it saves it in a temporary folder. Then, when you download it again, instead of redownloading the file, it uses the file you already download.
try clearing the cache and if it still doesnt work...then....iono :P
EDIT: I spoke too soon, link doesnt work it simply redirects us to filefront's main page
Yeah my friend on xfire said it does too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprt4n117
Different host plawkz
ftfy :-3Quote:
Originally Posted by ultama121
Damn muki. I was waiting for you to start screaming backwards in latin.
Oh also link is broken :saddowns:
Linky Fixed.
Is it the fixed 3p height version.?
i lost that :S
would really like to see a fixed 3p height for xp...
Yes you were, because if you were right about this being a cheat, then it would have been taken down.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnyblaz20
With his logic of having an unfair advantage = cheating, being 1337 at the game by practice, without hacks and such is cheating.
I'm pretty sure acquired skill and experience would go under the category of 'fair advantage'.
Then in this category, it would also be a "fair advantage" because anyone can get it.
You know it is hard enough,running a decent server> Without you idiots making hacks and screwing it up or all the other players. It is not that u suck so bad that u need it, it also makes ppl lag in the game. If you have to cheat, then all that says is, you SUCK at the game and need it to play. Lone Wolf it is ppl like you that ruin it for everyone.
Aw geez, not this shit again.
http://www.modacity.net/forums/image...atar111_10.gif
Can you (or anyone) provide definitive proof that this camera hack is directly responsible for laggy players?
No, of course not. He's another person talking out of his ass about something he knows nothing about, just a troll.
Lol, nice troll.
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Moosifier?...You are a troll right?
Oh god. If people like this are going to be running the world in 40 years...
I'm off to find a large, heavy object to end myself with.
we really need an iq filter on this site
why does this troll have 2 bars of rep? fix it guys.
Hes a donator wtf?
Obvious troll is obvious, need more ass kicking asap
more like needs more working 3p.
^ I agree with this.
Actually, on reflection, most people that make hacks are pretty smart, and I'm also sure you get a great influx on a game with a frequent player list of about...26.Quote:
Originally Posted by mooseifer69
Hell, when this game actually gets more community support from hackers actually making the game fun then maybe your server will be the only server playing coagulation with constant delayers and chat spammers. Hell, what do I know, I totally wasn't pissed with this game when I bought it. :rolleyes:
Yeah, you heard me. Being an admin of a server is no walk in the park either. You want the tools for making the game fair right? Well they're implemented with hacks, and according to you, that's a form of advantage because the player sucks and has to play with them. Welcome to the forums, I hope you become a valid member and get more than 3 posts without being banned on account of stupidity. Also, thanks for donating to the site, that's a good start. Don't let that make you think you're respected, because for all the admins care, UC sarge can donate. Doesn't mean we like him though.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosco
Ok so im such an idiot, lets see, so you do you have a server lonewolf, cause I'll come in there and make the hog fly and watch all the players near me (what i call lag) get jittery, maybe your camera hack doesn't effect the game, idk and don't want to. Like i said if you need the hack,it's just because you probally suck.So make a server that all hackers go to.then maybe us real players can enjoy the game, without the certian few coming in with advantages. It's kinda like a NOOB wanting you to help them get their acheivments ,without earning it. So let me know if you have a server, and I'll show you how hacks effect the games and you can deal with everyone complaining to you.
I really don't care whether you like me or not, or if i get banned,i donated because of ppl like Vicky who are trying to clean up the mess ppl like you are making of the game. I don't need the 2 little bars, they mean nothing to me, hell i EARNED(by posts) a much higher rating in the SLi forums. I didn't ask for them. i can't help it that you are to cheap to donate to a forum you use. Hell if Vicky comes out with the final version i will donate $50.00 in his name, it's worth it. But i know i'm too dumb to realize real talent.Quote:
Welcome to the forums, I hope you become a valid member and get more than 3 posts without being banned on account of stupidity. Also, thanks for donating to the site, that's a good start. Don't let that make you think you're respected, because for all the admins care, UC sarge can donate. Doesn't mean we like him though.
Funny you didn't mention going into his server and using the fov/3p hack to ruin his server.Quote:
Originally Posted by mooseifer69
:P
Also, My uncle doesnt play ANY shooting games because it makes him feel sick, and its because of the low fov games have.
Halo 2's FoV is so incredibly low, It doesnt even qualify as a pc game, heck, Halo 2 Xbox has a higher FOV
Fuck off moosifer, you're just an ugly fucking troll.
... He's a Donar? Lol he thinks he has respect now, heck I don't even have respect yet...
Like I said in my PM, please have a clue before you post. Try actually testing your wild-ass theories before using them as fact. I fail to see how an application that locally manipulates the first-person camera's position and field of view would cause increased latency and/or packet loss between the server and any other clients besides the one running it. Don't give me the whole "oh it's a hack so it's bad" schpeil, either; a program that manipulates the camera ever so slightly is not in any means the same as a lagger, aimbot, wallhack, etc. Care to enlighten me on how modding a warthog to fly around the map is as bad as increasing your field of view from 70 to 90 degrees, or putting the camera just over the right shoulder?Quote:
Originally Posted by mooseifer69
As for it being used for cheating, how? The increased range of view doesn't help much at all (extra... what, inch around the screen?), and the position of the third person camera gives a few advantages that are easily thwarted by normal gameplay. Did you miss the part where we found it makes the game actually not painful to play for widescreen users? I agree that anyone using this to cheat is stupid, yes, because you can't cheat with it.
Anyone who does anything that really can't be done, is probably stupid.
So why did you bother to send me a private message if you were just going to post in here anyways. GO FUCK OFF!!Quote:
Originally Posted by p0lar_bear
And Vista and my monitor have little apps that let you zoom in. So why do you need this hack? Cause it lets you in the game which affects ppl. So kick me out of here I don't care, cause ppl like you that need these things, suck anyways. And as far as being a donor, now that you pissed Vicky off you will never see another dime from me. So FUCK OFF and STAY out of my SERVERS. Because thanks to VICKY, I can see who is hacking (even your little veiw app) and ban ur ass.
100 bucks says thats vickys brother or something... lol
just ban him already ..
lol...Quote:
Originally Posted by mooseifer69
... sorry to burst your bubble but hardly anyone here actually plays h2vista. Maybe when the HEK is unlocked and the game'sbugsdefects were fixed people would play...
Oh and dude only reason your not banned yet is because your helping modacity out by being a donor...
How about instead of trying to prove a point that you cannot win you just give up and accept the fact that his app is more of a helpful thing for wide screen players and gives NO or barely any advantage what so ever.
lol... people are still arguing about this? IT HAS ALREADY BEEN RELEASED. anyone who wanted to download it, already downloaded it. this will not make your internet lag (well i have no proof or statistics of this...but it seems pretty obvious.....ive used it plenty times with no side-effects)
I am pretty sure h2v does'nt sync information of FOV over the internet (again, I have no proof of this, but think about it, why the F*** would h2v do this....doing so would be stupid and inefficient)Quote:
Originally Posted by mooseifer69
my point is, ....I think you are bluffing :p
ROFL, I wouldn't doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by StankBacon™
(OH! and one last thing. the very first thing I said is "lol... people are still arguing about this?" and yet here i am arguing about this myself. LMAO how ironic)
If vicky's server app can detect these simple fov hacks, why are you guys all worked up over it at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by mooseifer69
on a sidenote, the fov app never worked for me :embarrassed:
Well ur proving ur stupidity, like i said, the game is mostly (lets say 90%+) clientsided... go figure...
k Moose.
I understand why you're upset. It's a hack. And uber pwnage leet ass gamers like yourself don't like hacks.
But, for the sake of your own argument, try sniping or BRing with it. See how much better you do. You won't, it throws the aim off. ALOT. It's actually HARDER to play with this hack. With the position of the camera, the shots land FAR from the crosshair. If the camera were lower and in more of a Gears of War style position, closer to the gun, then I'd say it's an advantage... but as it is now, it's not.
I was going to post some sort of retort here, but I'm still reeling from the virtual bitchslap I received in the form of mooseifer's incredibly unintelligent and childlike post.
5 posts and people already hate you? Psshaw.
I only did that since you were childish and sent me the private msg and still posted it in here anyways. And since this will be my last post, cause you already banned mooseifer69. All I have to say is you cannot prove it doesn't effect the servers. I don't know what kinda of app the guy was using, other than they told me it was for sniping. I had ESA Control by Nvidia on my 780i mobo and it set all my voltages to the max limits and fried 2 sticks of ram. I didn't put 2 and 2 together until he came in again and I caught it in time and banned him. For those of you that don't know what ESA is, it lets you access your bios from your desktop,so you can see the effects. So you can say what you want, but it cost me a lot of money and I got rid of the ESA control. So you don't know what kinda effect these apps have on other apps in the server. And no need to ban me again, I won't come back.:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by p0lar_bear
And You lose, I am not related or know Vicky personally! I live in Florida and he doen't even live in the USA. SO you owe me a $100.00 While ur giving out money , why don't you give some to this forum as they will need it, for being too sensitive and permentlly banning ppl over a couple of comments when everyone was attacking me. Cause I won't be giving anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by StankBacon™
So why come out out with this then ,if it is so low? Why bother if you don't play it. Yeah ok who's the troll now? And why aren't you banned for your languge in your quote? about bungie and MS, Hmmm little favoritism going on???Quote:
Originally Posted by lone wolf
Start with page 18 first
Dear mooseifer,
Thanks for registering at Modacity Forums! We are glad you have chosen to be a part of our community and we hope you enjoy your stay. =)
All the best,
TheGhost
WHAT A JOKE!!!
and yet you came back just to make yourself look stupid again..
go away.
and he quad posts right after... pure intelligence.Quote:
Originally Posted by mooseifer
ftfy. also, reported his second account, should be bant soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by StankBacon™
and don't come back.
Yo lone wolf did you ever find that fixed version yet?
i tried to start the program and nothing happened
I am back, man i could come up with a 100 email address a day. ok So now that the app has been out, a couple of ppl have aready decompiled it and recompiled it and turned it into a real hack. Dang imagine that, but hey, i'm just a troll. Now I can sit inside the base on Beaver Creek and guard the flag, cause i don't have to turn my head to see both corners. HMMM imagine that. BUT HEY IT IS HARLESS. so just keep them coming. hey maybe my next email wil be troll@yahoo.com after u ban this one. LOL Oh and the other hack that came from this one that is almost done, is you look at something and zoom in and it takes you there, Gee Golly isn't that just wonderful. And last a little something to ponder: I am sure glad I don't ban ppl that cuss me out or disagree with me or My servers wouldn't be full anymore. Kinda like this place is empty now, hmm wonder why?
69? Is that your favorite position? Should ask your dad about that...is that dual choking or dual shocking...
seriously...
Well my Dad has been dead for some time now , so it will be hard to ask him. and I am not to the contrary of what you might think. I am accually 45 and happily married with 2 great kids.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrickssj6
Then you are pretty stupid. If my dad would have died I would make sure I would give my children the most attention I could because I know what it is like to have a life without one...instead you rant like a child on forum boards to virtual people you don't know?Quote:
Originally Posted by 69mooseifer
Dear Mooseifer,
Please fuck off like you said you would.
Thanks,
Everyone
Locking this since it's just going to be a shitfest from here on in.