Holy fuckshit, I spent $70 on my 580W which can run anything from the lowest card all the way up to an HD4870 X2 with the right CPU...that, is overkill. $400 on a friggin' PSU is nuts.
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Holy fuckshit, I spent $70 on my 580W which can run anything from the lowest card all the way up to an HD4870 X2 with the right CPU...that, is overkill. $400 on a friggin' PSU is nuts.
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php...Story&reid=104Quote:
Originally Posted by Freelancer
I don't doubt the SilverStone PSU is a good PSU, but why it over the ABS Tagan? I'm a fan of shiny glowing things in my PC, and the Tagan has that as well as a very nice modular setup. Nothing in the review you posted swayed me over the reviews that I've read of the ABS Tagan PSUs... All I really need to know is iff 900 Watts will be sufficent for my current hardward, and two GeForce GTX 295 when I get them...Quote:
Originally Posted by Xetsuei
Corsair's 1KW unit would do just as well.
Ive seen decent 1000watt psu at fry's for ~$259.99
Okay fine, I'll make the question easier.
I am buying an ABS Tagan series PSU. All I need to know is if the 900 watt version will be powerful enough to power my current hardware, as well as two GeForce GTX 295 graphics cards in the future. I'm currently using an OCZ GameXStream 850 watt and it works well, so all I need to know is if the 900 watt will have enough power for what I have now but with two GTX 295 cards instead of my single 8800 GTX.
your 850 is more than enough
yah, why would you even bother getting a psu for 50 more watts?
your current one should do fine.
You could get away with quad SLI on a good 700 watt unit if you took care to not overload any rails :rolleyes:
More laptop builds nowww!
Laptops are harder to guide on simply because they should tailored to you and not a general good.
My current PSU isn't modular.Quote:
Originally Posted by StankBacon
So?
Well, generally people who appreciate modular power supplies are neat freak wire management whores or something along those lines. So I figured my previous post would be enough for you to grasp. Since it wasn't I'll elaborate...Quote:
Originally Posted by Xetsuei
I'm turning into a wire management whore, and I want a modular PSU to upgrade my system. Since I'm going to be upgrading to a modular PSU I figured that I'd up the wattage as well for any future expansion.
+5V = 22A
+3.3V = 17A
+12VA = 18A
+12VB = 18A
-12V = 1A
+5Vfp = 2A
So my Dell's 305 watt PSU can't handle a hefty upgrade like a 9800 GT or HD 4830, so should I get this: http://www.pcpower.com/products/desc...ell/index.html
remind me to +rep you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xetsuei
It's only got one +12V rail...but decent wattage on it without going overboard. $80 is a bit much, though. Is the brand known to be reliable?Quote:
Originally Posted by 343guiltymc
One 12V rail is fine if there's lots of amperage on it, and in this case it is.
PC Power & Cooling is a good brand.
Well it's made for Dell cases so it's going to be more expensive than standard ATX PSUs. Is there any standard PSUs that might be small enough for my Dell?
I've been considering a new video card for a while, and so I was looking at the cards you suggested to update my ancient card.
But... i guess there's PCIE2.0 now?.. I've never been too deep in this stuff, but I'm pretty sure I have just an older PCIE 1.0 or 1.1 (my mobo is like 4 years old now)
do PCIE2.0 cards work in a PCIE1.0 slot? or would I have to upgrade my mobo too?
My current video card is a Nvidia GeForce 6200 SE or somethin like that... 64MB.... and I was looking at the EVGA GeForce 9800 GTX that you listed up there.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130339
If I get that, will the difference between 1.1 and 2.0 be that big of a difference? Or will I still be happy because it will make my current card look like crap compared to this... if it works?
2.0 and PCI-E are compatible, but you get performance boost with 2.0 I believe. Does your current PC meet the system requirements of the card?
.... what other system requirements are there other than Power?
I'd assume it'd just be that you have the slot and you have enough power to run it... I haven't looked at my PSU yet, but I'm assuming I'll probably have to get a new one.
This is my "current" computer.
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/d...roduct=1818343
Something to note... look at the memory spot on that stat sheet... they fail at math (available DIMM ports)
Do you know how powerful your current PSU is?
E: I'd also recommend you upgrade your RAM and CPU. The kind of RAM your mobo uses is now pretty cheap.
4GB 42.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145195
2GB 24.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145098
Pretty much any LGA775 CPU will work with your mobo. Give me a price and I'll find one.
I doubt a 9800 GTX would run on whatever shitty PSU that HP puts on their non-HP Blackbird series. Hell, depending on how big the card is it might not even fit in the case.
I was considering upgrading my RAM, but I dunno if I wanna throw down that much cash right now. I'm going to be buying a new monitor to replace my 8 year old CRT, (was looking at that "midrange" Acer monitor you listed which is down $10 from what you have listed now btw)
But if you can find me a good, cheap processor I'll consider it. (like around $100)
I'm not sure of my PSU right now... but what would you recommend if I do need to upgrade, assuming I get that video card.
PSU: $64.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817341017
On the CPU, if all you can spend is $100 I'd recommend waiting for a while until you have more money. With $100 you can't really get an LGA775 CPU that's better than the one you currently have.
Open your case and check it yourself, the sticker on the PSU should tell you the stuff. Frankly, the best GPU you can probably get is a 9600 GT.
What the fuck are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by 343guiltymc
@ Llama: All you really need for the 9800GTX is a better PSU, but a better CPU and RAM would make the FPS much more consistent, and a little bit higher. I REALLY recommend getting them.
Is my CPU really that horrid? It's a duel core 2.8 GHz processor... I have money, I just... it's weird to throw this much cash at a machine all at once ya know? haha I'm not one to spend tons of cash, so I'll probably see how it all sits when I get my video card in there... see if I wanna upgrade again after that right away.
And about my PSU, I'm at school right now, I'll open it up when I get home later.
It's a Pentium Dual Core, which is about the worst dual core that's ever been made. So yes, it is very horrid. I guess you can see if you want to upgrade after you get the GPU and PSU; you most likely will. The frame rates will be all over the place.
E: Updated all the prices and replaced the stuff that was deactivated.
Oh... well that's shitty.
'cause right now if I get that RAM and PSU that already brings me up to about $400...
It's kinda sad realizing just how bad my machine is. :( hahaha
If I install a new CPU I'll prolly need to format my HDD, won't I?... That'd probably mess up my OEM installer disks wouldn't it? *sigh*
No you won't have to format the HD, I believe that is only if you install a completely new motherboard.
Oh shibby
EDIT:
I looked at my PSU, and yea.. only 300W like I figured.
If I were to get a new CPU Xet, what would you suggest if I brought the price up to $200 (ish)?
Should I upgrade to a new PSU or just get a 9600 GT? Installing a PSU looks a little complicated.
Just look at what your PSU plugs into on your current PC... not all that complicated.
To actually replace one it's just unplug, and replug honestly.
Then if you're all OMG WIRE MANAGEMENT then you can deal with that as well, but otherwise it's not that bad.
That gives me a lot more to work with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llama Juice
$189.99 Intel Core 2 Quad Q8300 2.5GHz
Plus PSU
$64.99() OCZ ModXStream 600W
And 2 or 4GB of RAM
$24.99 Corsair 2x1GB DDR2 667
$42.99 Corsair 2x2GB DDR2 667
And lastly the GPU
$134.99() MSI Radeon HD4850 512MB GDDR3
(And another, if you want to spend a little more)
$189.99 Sapphire Radeon HD4870 512MB GDDR5
But again all you need is the GPU and PSU first. The rest you can get later if you wish, but I highly recommend it.
E: Llama I'm gonna change the GPU from the 9800GTX to the HD4850. Just now looking at the 3dmark06 scores and it performs a little better than the 9800GTX, and since it's ATi image quality will also be better. I recommend you get the $134.99 one I put above (or unless you want to spend a little more and get the HD4870). Uses less power too, but you're still gonna need a new PSU.
"scores a little better"
Yea, but does it score $50 better?
I think I'll stick with the cheaper one :P
Also.. I have 4 DIMM slots... having my old RAM in there along with the new stuff couldn't possibly hurt could it? I know you were saying it's cheap stuff... but it shouldn't have any negative influence on it should it?
E: And that 600W PSU isn't available to purchase yet :P
I meant the HD4850 ($134.99()) when I said all that, and it's cheaper than the 9800GTX. No, don't use your current RAM with the new stuff, motherboards are pretty picky about that kind of stuff. By cheap I meant the RAM has gotten really cheap, not that it's bad. Also, just wait for the PSU to become available, it's a great bang for the buck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llama Juice
So if I have both my two 2GB cards, and my two 1GB cards I will have lower performance than if I just had the two 2GB cards? Really?
That's weak...
Oh, and you'd still get that HD4850 over the 9800 even though the 9800 comes with COD:WaW?
Ok, you just completely lost me. If I'm reading correctly, you think that one 2GB stick of DDR2 667 RAM will not perform as well as two 1GB sticks of DDR2 667 RAM, which is not true.
If you mean that it will decrease your performance if you use the new ram with your old ram, no. The computer won't even turn on.
I was talking about the 2nd line... and why wouldn't it turn on?
Still don't know what you're talking about.
It wouldn't turn on because motherboards can be very picky about RAM.
lol, PC2-3200? Ouch :-3
Go with the whole new set of ram and run it alone...
His motherboard can use PC-5300. But yes that was what I was telling him, get a new set of RAM.
haha alright.
I heard something about some OEM motherboards not allowing CPU upgrades? Have you heard anything about that? Or is the person I heard it from just a silly little child?
I know i've asked before, but would my processor bottleneck my computer to the point that buying an HD4850 wouldn't make a significant increase in performance over what I already have (7600GS)? And, is there any point in spending $50 more on a card from a different company?
No, they just make it pain in the ass. Dell for example, puts a hugeassed heatsink covering where the CPU is. To replace it you need to bolt open the damn thing and then put it back in after your done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llama Juice
It'll be much faster, and you can max out all of your games at native resolution, most with AA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Timo
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...yCjCVqHCjCdwwp
Is this RAM compatible with my Dell dimension E520?
It should, but it would opperate at a lower clock speed..
Quote:
Originally Posted by dell specs page
Would it be able to used with my current 2x512 MB RAM or do I have to remove those?
You should be able to leave them in
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16820144199
Ah the link I've posted in the other post was U.S prices. Would the RAM above suffice?
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16817703016
If I were to upgrade to this PSU, which videocard should I get? Trying to stay below the $150 (in Canada not U.S prices) range.
Currencies are close enough to where it doesn't matter. HD4850 for that price, or if you are a strictly NVidia person, go with the 9800 GTX+. Next best is either the HD4830 or 9800GT.
Urh I can't get 4850 or 9800 GTX, low on cash. I would get a 4830 but I don't know if those big dual slot coolers will fit in my case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
Ok, my turn to join the fray.
I need to build a new rig, plain and simple. This current one is crashing too often these days, no matter what part I upgrade/swap, and how many times I reformat. Besides, it's old anyways, time for an upgrade. Here's the catch: I want a slim computer so that LAN parties are not so much of a hassle, and I do attend LANs very frequently.
So, here's my plan A:
Slim Gaming Rig-Intel
Motherboard: DFI LP JR P45-T2RS LGA 775 Intel P45 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard-$149.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813136055
CPU: Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor-$229.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115131
GPU: 2x Galaxy 96GFF6VIFCXX GeForce 9600 GT 512MB SFF video cards-$94.99 each
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814162016
RAM: G.SKILL HK 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)-$49.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231219
Sound Card: ASUS Xonar DX 7.1 Channels PCI Express Interface Sound Card-$89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16829132006
Cooler: MASSCOOL 8W553B1M3 90mm Ball CPU Cooler-$14.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835150083
PSU: Thermaltake W0157RU 450W 5.25 Drive Bay Video Card Power Supply-$71.99
http://www.xpcgear.com/w0157ru.html
Case: IN WIN IW-BT611T.300SL Silver/Black-$55.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811108060
External Media: LITE-ON Black& Beige External Slim 8X DVD Drive-$75.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827106271
Total: $928.90
All prices are from Newegg with the exception of the PSU, which is from xpcgear.com. I could get a low-profile 9800GT and SLI that, but the performance gain over two 9600GTs in SLI is all but nonexistent, and it costs $248 as opposed to $188 when all is said and done. I already have hard drives I can use in this build.
So, thoughts, comments, suggestions?
Edit: Added links, also I had an alternate case in mind:
-Rosewill R379-SM Black/ Silver 0.8mm SGCC Steel MicroATX Slim Case-$49.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811147098
That looks nice, didn't know they make low profile 9800 GT.....
It just came out literally three days ago. I myself was shocked to see it.
Where? Need link, is it made by Sparkle? I googled it and saw it being made, but never knew it came out.
Yes, it is Sparkle:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814187061
Just sold out today...and went up $5. Honestly though, if you want to SLi, there is no sense in dropping cash on two of these when two of the 9600GTs will do just as well, which I find surprising considering that the 9600GT has just under half as many stream processors.
I can't go SLI, the geniuses known as Dell only put 1 PCI-E X16 slot for the motherboard. I was intrested since I want a small card to fit in my case with the same performance.
Well, there you go. One 9800GT is still better than the 9600GT, but the 9600GT scales EXTREMELY well, and as such can run just about on par with two 9800GTs; the biggest fps margin I saw was 4, which is not enough to warrant paying more for the two 9800GTs.
Here's a chart with benches and performances compared:
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/g...,794.html?prod[2071]=on&prod[2066]=on
Note that the 8800GT and 9800GT perform identically, which is why there is no separate option for the 9800GT.
is the 9800GT Better than any GTX 200 series?
No.
lol there's always the Geforce 7950 GX2, but it's a little dated now XDQuote:
Originally Posted by 343guiltymc
Someone used to own one of those on here, and said it's not even worth it because of the awful driver support.
Only the highest end graphics chips will be bottlenecked by a PCI-e 1.0 slot. Also for the record, two 9600GTs in SLi configuration are better than one GTX-260 Core 198, so don't let the lower price tag on the Core 98 get you unless you intend to SLi those.
Is it worth it to buy 4gigs of RAM for my setup? I'm getting really crappy stuttering problems in Crysis and was wondering if more ram would help.
I'm totally computer inept, I don't know shit about them. I need a new pc for undisclosed reasons. I went to best buy to look at prices, and it was looking like I would end up spending about 1200 dollars. So I come to you guys, what should I be looking for?
- I am looking for a desktop
- I found the monitor I want, its going to cost about $250 so count that out
- I want to be able to run higher end games, I'm tired of getting a bsod playing even old games like UT2K4 and Halo CE. I can't even install orange box or anything newer than that. I want to be able to run new games.
- I want to make sure I can still use my old games, plus my outdated version of max and mudbox. Their too frickin expensive to buy again
- I need basically everything except the fuckin mouse, and the monitor which I found and have not bought yet.
Help me please. The tech talk on the front page is greek to me. I'm looking to either build my own or buy it built, I don't care as long as I can afford it and it WORKS.
How fast is your current RAM? And it sounds like you need a better video card, not more RAM.Quote:
Originally Posted by itszutak
E: Oh wait, the card is fine. I honestly have no idea unless you're RAM is really slow. It's possibly the drivers. Update the drivers for your video card.
The Low End ($700) or the Mid Range ($1000) and the peripherals for them lower down the page. Also, what monitor are you getting?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICEE
Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130220
CPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115202
Graphics Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102810
RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231229
Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136320
Media Drive (CD/DVD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827136152
Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139001
Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811119106
Price: $1039
The case is up to you really. And you can mitigate some of the cost by scavenging parts (like hard drives, floppy disk drives, and media drives) from your current rig. Hell, if your current case is a mid tower, you could probably reuse that too.
Drivers are the ones released just 3 days ago :v:Quote:
Originally Posted by Xetsuei
I think it's the ram. Can DDR2 667 ram be fast?
Specifically, this ram?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820178164
E: Forgot to mention. This is on the Crysis demo v1.0.0.1
I'm assuming you have the driver hotfix for your card, yes? My guess is that it's either your RAM or your sound card. Try disabling hardware sound. As for RAM, perhaps the voltages are not high enough, thus causing memory issues?
Hi I have a question on updating my current comp.
I currently have: (HP Slimline)(160 watts)
-Motherboard
-3GB Ram
-AMD Athlon 64X2 4450e
-Nvidia 9500GS
I'm having thoughts on whether these upgrades are compatible or should I just build a new one.
Upgrades:
-Same MoBo
-Case
-PSU
-AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+
-4GB Ram
-GPU
Also whats the difference between a PCI Express x16 and a PCI Express x16 2.0?
EDIT: I just recently overclocked my current GPU. My gaming score thing in Vista went from a 5.4 to a 5.5. Is this a big difference or a small one.
I don't see how you can fit that PSU and graphics card into a slimline.....
Which is why I posted another Case for the upgrade.
Increased bandwidth transfer I believe. PCI-e 2.0 cards can be used in old PCI-e 1.0 slots provided they're 16x, they just run slower.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lex1337
How much better is the 4850 compared to the 9800 GT? I wanted to get a 4850 but I don't know if any of the dual slot versions can fit in my case. I could get the ones with reference coolers but I heard they get really hot.
Quite a bit faster. It's competition is the 9800GTX+
You can fix that by modifying the fan speed up from 28% to 40%.Quote:
Originally Posted by 343guiltymc
Wouldn't the fan get extremely loud if I do that? :confused2: I'm pretty sure I asked this before but if I were to upgrade to a new supply for my Dimension E520, would I need to buy those Dell compatible PSU, or would I be good with a regular ATX PSU?Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
At 40%, the fans aren't terrible. Any higher though, and they get exponentially more audible.
As for the PSU question, it looks to me from pictures that the e520 uses a proprietary PSU, just by looking at the screw placement. You'll have to look for a PSU that specifically says it will work in that system. You should check your PSU to see what wattage it is...my guess is that it is in the 300W ballpark, in which casethe best you can do is a 9600GT without a new PSU.
Picked up a CM 690 and a 140mm Scythe case fan to improve my airflow and decrease noise, now I just want to add a side window to the panel that it came with. Hopefully while retaining the ability to have a side panel fan (it's fine if the fan is mounted on the window). So I need some advice on cutting a custom window, if anyone's done it before or knows of some great guides it would help a lot.
CM 690 buddy :downs:
Yeah that was what I thought, this PC uses a 308 watt PSU from what I can tell so I don't know if using even a 9600 GT is a good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
For the 4850, which of the two brands should I get:
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicatio...301&CatId=3670
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicatio...232&CatId=3670
For the PSU, the only thing I can find was this:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16817703016
Uh... What?Quote:
Originally Posted by InnerGoat
It's a great case is what I'm saying. Well worth the money. :downs:
Oh, yea I know that :p especially now that I've got most of my cable management done... I kinda want to cutout a small "channel" on the backside of the motherboard tray, on the side near the drive bays so that my side panel doesn't have all the pressure of those cables against it...Quote:
Originally Posted by InnerGoat
Also, no one knows of any good side panel window tutorials?
I don't see why people like the HAF so much, it looks disgusting to me. It's way to boxxy (I see what I did thar) and, well, old looking... I can't deny that it has some really good performance reviews though.Quote:
Originally Posted by paladin
Is there a performance difference between the 1GB VRAM and Toxic 4850's over the 512 MB 4850?
You can fill up that 512MB real fast in some games, so it can become a big difference. If you're running at 1680x1050 or up with AA the 1GB will come in handy.
http://img13.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc05410cf0.jpg
Would a 4850 fit in there, with that CPU heatsink get in the way?
Damn son, at those prices you could get a GTX260, which trumps the 4850. ALternatively, if you are willing to actually spend that $250 on a graphics card, you could get this:Quote:
Originally Posted by 343guiltymc
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102813
That PSU will not fit a slim case.
And this 9600GT:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814162016
...can work off of a 300W PSU
Better than that single 4850. For $35 more, you can get the 2GB version...
Wow, this thread just confirms my pc is utter shit lol.
I'm running PC133 SDRAM :O.
Okay, so xet I see your recommending all AMD chipsets, I'm thinking of a complete new build as this computer has pretty much had it.
About mobos, would you recommend Intel or AMD?
Is it possible to fit any MoBo into any Case?
No, you have to check what form factor the MoBo is and buy a case to match. You need to look at the "form factor", usually it's a variation of ATX nowadays.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lex1337
It's hard finding a cheap micro-itx case that can hold a normal sized PSU.
What? those links are to U.S site, prices are lower what I pay here.....And why won't that PSU fit in my case? I went on the site for the PSU and it said the Dimension E520 is compatible. :confused2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
Hey 343guiltymc, do you know what kind of MoBo a Dimension E520 has? Also what specs do you have for it? I have the same comp., and I plan on upgrading it aswell but I need more info. than what the dell website tells me.
After doing a little investigating, I found upgrades for our comp.
4GB Ram
700 watt PSU
Intel Core Duo E7400
250 GB HDD
HIS Radeon HD 4870(I'm not sure if it can fit.)