The point is that they're competing cars. The 350Z would have to be compared to the 05-09 Mustangs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Horns
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The point is that they're competing cars. The 350Z would have to be compared to the 05-09 Mustangs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Horns
Ya know, you still never said what YOU'VE done to your car.
I know I told you mine is bone stock, but I have 4x650cc injectors, a e316g and a boost guage sitting next to me to go into my car. I'm saving or trying to find a cheap safc2 and a wideband o2. After that I can successfully turn up the boost to 18lbs and theoretically push 320awhp.
On a stock engine, with stock internals, and a stock drive train. It's only the beginning too....
:supasmug:
You never asked. It's been tuned (improved timing and other stuffs), K & N cold air intake, and upgraded the heads and cams so it is now a dohc motor instead of a sohc. I plan to also supercharge it, and buy either a flowmaster or borla exhaust. I'm guessing right now it's making upwards of 300hp. Everything else afaik is stock besides the rims and brakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalub
Right now one MAJOR thing I have to do is change the rear end gears, which are currently 2.73 and put in some 3.73s. That will probably take at most a second off my 0-60 and 1/4 miles times. So I'm looking at sub 5 second 0-60, which would basically be the equivalent of a new 2010 GT.
Oh good lord, boost gauges. You're a ricer. Would you like some body kits with that rice? And are you sure that engine can handle 18lbs of boost, and the drivetrain will be able to even handle that much power? And you know with that, comes more turbo lag.
Modern turbos have very little turbo lag, especially if you don't go overboard on the boost. 18lbs of boost is a lot though not only does the engine have to handle the torque the clutch and trannie does too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xetsuei
Not really, it depends on how big the turbo is and how much exhaust pressure there is, even in high end cars such as Porsches turbo lag is still noticeable. But that's not the point, the turbo in his car is by no means new anyway. And that's what I meant when I said drivetrain, the drivetrain is everything (engine, clutch, tranny, drive shaft, differential, etc) that the power goes through.Quote:
Originally Posted by LesserOf2Evils
E: And I'd also like to know where you got the figure of 300whp Kalub? Most AWD systems I've seen have had AT LEAST a 50hp loss through the drivetrain, so you think your car will be producing over 350hp at the crank? How much boost are the turbos stock?
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/8283/b23a.jpg
Nissan Versa '09
Got it last week and currently learning how to drive a manual >.>
I'm almost wondering how serious Xet and Kalub actually are... I can't imagine either of them is REALLY taking this supposed "argument" seriously?
But it is interesting reading from a mechanical standpoint.
EDIT: Took some pics of the truck this mornin'.
EDIT2: Stats from my previous post
Year: 1994
Make: Ford
Model: F-350XL
Anything else: 7.3L Turbo Diesel, 5-spd manual, K&N air filter, custom hub caps (actually, just some old Ford F-250 ones that Dad and I modified so they would fit over the F-350's hubs), front fog lights, block heater, rear flood lights, 5th-Wheel hitch, MP3-CD player, Banks exhaust pipe
A better view of it.
Stock exhaust? No way.
Took the fuzzy dice out of my van. No real mods to the truck inside except the MP3-CD player. And yes, boys and girls; I've joined the club of driving stick shift!
A Cornbinder engine and a German transmission? Yep, it's a Ford alright.
I'm hoping to be able to post a car in this thread in the next few weeks. hopefully joining the Modacity Jeep club :-3.
'95 Honda Civic, stock everyfuckingthing. The engine says VTEC on it, I have no fucking clue what that means. Paint damage on roof. Fucked up left side due to motorcycle accident in which the worst injury was the dude bruising his leg when his bike fell over on him. Hood damaged when the previous owner attempted to pull out a dent and made it worse. Pilot bearing is shot, and rattles constantly, drawing attention from people walking on the sidewalk a quarter mile away. :downs:
I've got a 2002 Volkswagen Jetta, 2.0L 4-cylinder engine block, automatic transmission (:saddowns:). No sports car, that's for sure. However, for a used car with 3 owners and 100,000 miles, this thing might as well be brand new. Fresh rotors and pads, new tyres, paint has only minor dings in places that don't matter, and most importantly: everything works. Engine is clean and purrs nicely. Don't think I could've done much better for my first car. :-3
Variable valve Timing and Electronic lift Control. It's a little system Honda developed (which everyone else copied) which lets the engine get good fuel economy at low RPMs and power at high RPMs. You can search around on YouTube and find videos of how it works.Quote:
Originally Posted by ExAm
Nice! I'm thinking about getting a 1994 Chevy S10. It has 160,000 on it for $1800. I can probably talk the price down, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llama Juice
My TD05H (14b) turbo charger is brand new, and right now I push 11.3psi, however the engine with it's stock fuel system can handle 16psi. And for your information, the gauges are there so I don't ruin my engine tyvm. I have all forged internals, stock, and my engine has been known to hold up to 22psi on the stock block/pistons/rods/crank. :realsmug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Xetsuei
And, I'm actually downgrading the size of my turbo it spools faster, and I can turn up the pressure. :eng101: And also, I don't know where you heard you loose 50hp in the awd system, but I'm sure it's not that much. These cars have been known to push 400hp on just a turbo/injector/fuel upgrade, and still be street legal and daily drivers.
After just about $1500 (if you do it right) these cars will dominate. :woop:
This car has about $800 invested into it, I'd say. Parts are cheap, and easy to come by. And before you go about saying that this isn't my car, or doesn't look like mine, :words: the engine in the 2g are actually weaker.
All I can say is, I won't believe it until I see it. And yes, you are a ricer. Taking a 4banger Japanese car and putting useless things on it, that's ricing. And why would you ruin your engine if it's forged? You really don't need gauges, or at least you could be tasteful and modify them into the dash. And would you mind showing some proof your engine can hold 22psi stock? I'd also like to know once again where you got the 300hp figure. And you still have to figure in the drivetrain once again, will it even be able to handle the power?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalub
And are you blind? Do you know what drivetrain loss is? The most efficient system AWD system I've seen is in the Nissan GT-R which is about a 50hp loss, I'm guessing your car has upwards of 80-100hp loss. RWD drivetrains have less loss of power because there are less parts the power has to be transmitted through. I'd also like to know, once again, where you find these cars having 400hp, or where you got that price number. :v:
And FYI, in that last video that isn't actually a Mustang GT. You see the the thing between the front wheel arch and the door? It's a Mustang horse, which is only on V6 models. The GT models have GT instead of the horse.
Who said I wouldn't mold my guages or mount them properly? I'm no ricer, they aren't for aesthetics. I have three guages, boost, a/f, and egt. They all play a very important part in monitoring my engine. If you don't know why I would want them, need the, or even install them I suggest you look into it. And second of all, my car is a friggin' domestic. :maddowns:
Also, here is a stock 7-bolt 4g63 (the weak ones) running 22psi on pumpgas
And here is one with ~400hp on the stock block/internals
You can see that these cars are very chugged and chained to the ground stock. They have an immense room for improvement with little cash/effort involved. And as for drivetrain loss, I can say it isn't that much. Sure mine, compared to a standard rwd/fwd drive train is heavier and harder to move, but sure as hell doesn't lose 80-100hp. It's more or less around 10-15% of what ever is at the flywheel (Hell maybe less). However, I, nor you will ever know so it can't be that big of a deal.
I can however tell you that, my awd, is capable of 300-400hp stock before you'd want to look into another strictly racing setup. The thing is pretty durable. The thing that takes the most beating is the pressure plate.
(I got the numbers from this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQKO4Hceu3o he races professionally and he lives in Boise, Idaho. I've spoken to him face to face and even ridin' in his cars. I know what I'm saying)
Domestic with a Japanese engine, and yes the gauges ricers buy don't exactly display nothing. You honestly do not need those gauges, they're just stupid. Why is it important? Sure it's interesting to see how much boost the turbos are making, but at the cost you'll be a ricer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalub
And why are the 7 bolt ones weak? As far as I can tell, the 7 bolt is just a more responsive engine. Why is it weaker? Why would they make the newer engine weaker? It makes no sense. All of the videos you posted are of the newer, better engine, so you think your engine will somehow get more because you think the newer engines are weaker? That makes absolutely no sense.
And no, your car won't even get close to as low as a 10% loss. It's probably somewhere above a 15% loss. But no it is a big deal, since you're thinking you will be making upwards of 350hp at the crank I honestly don't believe it.
And bullshit, "Oh yeah this guy told me everything and I remember it all." Give me an actual source of proof to where you're getting these numbers for YOUR engine. I don't care if you've spoken to him or rode in his cars, unless you have a recording of him saying it or something, bullshit.
But anyway, I might as well do some bragging on how much horsepower I could get out of my block.
There are some people who have bored the block out and gotten up to 900hp out of it, but that's not the stock 4.6L so I figured I wouldn't post them. I'm not going for much on my Mustang, probably just a little upwards of 450hp. But again the biggest thing I have to do is change out the rear end gears, then I'll be set. Then I can do suspension modifications, lighten the car, and get a real manual gearbox.
Actually it's very important to know how much boost I'm putting into my engine, and if it is spiking, or dropping. And an aid to fuel ratio guage is important too, have you ever seen what happens when you go lean in a boosted engine? Temps rise and shit starts to melt. EGT is to measure the exhaust temperature of my 1st or 4th cylinder. Here is a scenario.
(It helps if you know how combustion works, and how a turbocharger works)
Say, I'm driving and I'm boosting at 15psi. Say the boost spikes to 22psi, now my car just can't compensate the fuel that would be needed to compensate for that much air, thus I go lean. My engine is now detonating before TDC, extreme pressure and force is put on the piston head, connecting rods, and crankshaft. (Sometimes Valves aswell) Also as a result of going lean my fuel is combusting at higher temps than it should be, and my engine literally starts to melt.
http://www.jagweb.com/aj6eng/failed_piston.jpg
My engine is very important to me, thus I have the tools to monitor it and keep it running smoothly. There is nothing rice about it, I don't add them to be Joe Cool, I add them to see what's happening to my engine. :cop:
ANOTHER THING, the 7 bolt engines if I recall correctly are weaker, they have a problem with the crankshaft "walking" into the crank case or crank angle sensor. It happens to all cars, but this engine model has seen it the worst, and thus most people try to opt for an older 6 bolt. It has less connecting bolts, but it is stronger, and slightly heavier.
And my engine is one of a 50-thousand. They can acheive the numbers on the stock block and internals. All you asked for me to show you, and I did. I have no intention of that level of modding to my vehicle. However, my engine with these few mods and bolt-ons will push 300awhp. Stock. You can go ahead and take a read around any forums or discussion board that these cars are talked on. They are known to go fast for cheap.
Oh, and my sources not only come from first hand, but from countless hours of research and reading. Might I reccommend you to a few:
dsmtuners.com
dsmtalk.com
Eitherway great arguement, and potential only increases with how much money you push into it. I'm not sure what the fastest 1/4 in a Mustang is with it's stock engine (block atleast :P) but John Shepard did like 7.something in his Talon.
Yes, but if the absurd situation you tell us happens ACTUALLY happens then you would have no way of stopping it, rendering the gauges useless. The only one I can actually think of any use is the turbo boost because you're changing the boost on your engine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalub
And again, I didn't ask how or why I asked WHERE did you get the information that the engine is weaker. I'm not going to sift through loads of bullshit for no reason, provide me the complete link.
And no, you didn't show me. You showed me an engine that ISN'T yours achieving numbers that you think your engine can. Once again, I will not shift through loads of bullshit myself to find things that you might be making up.
And no, Mustangs aren't exactly expensive either. The total money plus the car itself I've spent to far is $3k, the car has about 100k miles on it and the previous owner has never had a single problem with it.
And really, again, I would prefer to not do hours of research and reading on a car I don't like. Since you probably know those sites front and back, it shouldn't be hard for you to provide the information I am asking for.
7 seconds? In his talon? Ugh. Proof, thanks. He probably isn't even using the same engine, or drivetrain that comes stock, not even close. I can put a 427 in a Mustang and put slicks on it and get a 7, but that doesn't even matter. We're talking about the cars with factory engines.
And it's convenient you didn't bother commenting on how much horsepower Mustang engines can put out, LOL. There is no replacement for displacement friend.
"yo guys chek dis shit out, got me some boost gauges better turbos n shit on mah 4banger gonna smoke all those fags n their mustangs heh."
E: I'm not going to continue this if you just keep making things up, it's wasting too much of my time. We all know how much you hate Mustangs and how much you think Talons are better than them, whoop de doo.
E2: And you also managed to stray WAY off topic about my car vs yours. So yes, what are the best 0-60 and 1/4 mile times have you gotten?
No.
I'm too lazy.
I told you where to find it, and that's good enough for me.
And say you see your car detonate you can always calm your shit, drive home, retune it or check your boost controller and try to prevent it from happening. The serve a purpose, just like a Tach or Speedometer.
Rice is when you see a N/A Honda running around with three bright blue guages in an a-pillar pod that do nothing. Such as oil temp, tans temp, water temp. (I can see them being useful in certain situations, but not in that one)
I'm pretty much a walking encyclopedia for my car, just as you are for yours. I know what it can do, and I know I have some evidence for what I say. If you don't believe me then prove me wrong, but you do the work.
And of course he didn't do 7 seconds on a "stock" engine. Of course it used the same design of the engine itself it was highly modified. I dind't say he used a "stock" engine. That was just a curious inquiry.
Actually here is a thread about something in this very discussion we are having. It's proof that I know what I talk about, and you can mosey around onthe site as you wish to uncover more information about it.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newb...lt-7-bolt.html
Even then, if you hate risking your engine so much why would you even boost it up to the point of detonation? This would eliminate the need for stupid gauges once again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalub
And no, rice is just about adding anything useless to your car. It really doesn't have to JUST be Hondas, even though those are the most commonly riced cars because they're so damn cheap.
And if you know what it can do and have evidence, it really shouldn't be hard to find the proof. You are the one that claimed your engine could achieve these numbers, you're the one who should show you're not bullshitting. If you ever have anything that you doubt about what I say, I will be happy to provide proof. And to be honest, have REAL evidence. Not just some guy on a random forum saying "OH YEAH 6 BOLT IS MUCH STRONGER."
And if it wasn't a stock engine, why did you even mention it? There is no reason to.
E: Also, why did you have to be in your face about your car so much and call my car a "failstang"? I didn't just randomly insult your car and call it a failtalon because I don't like it, that's just being a douchebag. This whole argument started about your car vs mine and somehow ended up at this. So once again, what does your car do 0-60? 1/4 mile?
Umm, I doubt he's intentionally boosting it to the point where it would run lean and cause detonation. He's just making sure he can tell if it is in the event a component isn't working right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xetsuei
I'm guessing it's a light-hearted "post-your-car" thread and some people are taking it too seriously? Let's all be friends!Quote:
Originally Posted by Xetsuei
According to what he's saying, he is boosting it a lot, and he's saying THAT's the reason he needs the gauges.Quote:
Originally Posted by Varmint260
All I can say was, it wasn't me who threw the first punch, I just keep it going until someone wins. This didn't have to be pages and pages of argument, you know.
E: And what's wrong with taking an argument seriously? It's not like in school when in debate class or something when people are arguing the others say "wow they're taking that seriously". Get real.
You've made some valid points. However, let me just clear up a couple things, alright?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xetsuei
One, I have absolutely no problems with taking an argument seriously. That's not what I meant. I mean that he insulted your car. Okay, fine. I just mean that maybe he didn't mean it that seriously. Shit, I said in a previous post that I wonder about people who drive white Fords. I didn't mean it seriously, it was a joke.
And yes, he's boosting it a lot. Could cause damage if done wrong. How do you tell if it has gone wrong? Gauges can tell a lot. Bottom line, Kalub wants more power. Is wanting more power out of a car useless?
I have no beef with either of you. I just thought maybe I could help cool what might just be a misunderstanding. Sorry. I'll back right out now.
He's called everyone else's Mustangs in this thread failstangs too, and the first time he replied after I posted he called my Mustang a failstang, saying that I have no style, etc, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Varmint260
Yes, that was what resulted from the argument. But the point I presented to him is that gauges won't prevent it, they will only show you what is happening. And no, I do not mean wanting more power is useless.
Alright, alright. My point is just that the gauges show him shit's about to go bad, so HE can prevent damage. That's all. Sorry to make this worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xetsuei
nothing wrong with a bit of heated debate on the forums.
ya never know, yas just might learn something.
I want the componets to monitor my car so I can, ya know, try to prevent it from blowing up. The engine can take the heat, but when you start pushing things you want to be certain you're doing it right.
It's why I have a SAFC to monitor my fuel to air ratio, it's why I have a digital boost guage to monitor my forced air, it's why I have a EGT to monitor how how my engine is truely getting. Everything is there for a reason.
My car is chugged from the factory, the engine can acheive the numbers and it has been done. I wouldn't start blowing smoke up your ass if I wasn't 110% sure it was possible and already done.
And I don't like Mustangs because of this arguement right here, it seems everyone I talk to is just a bigot who thinks my little engine can't do shit. When in fact, my car was designed, built, engineered for Rally Racing.
I however do have respect for some people's car's, like my uncles. He has an older foxbody that he races, and not only does he respect my car, but he enjoys helping people. My dad has a built Pinto, and I helped him build it. My whole family is into racing. I know my shit.
However at this point all my numbers are purely benchracing numbers, since I have never dyno'd or track tested my car. But hey, 0-60 on a car from the 90's with 175K miles on it sounds good to me. It's respectable for sure.
End the end, I have no respect for your car. And I never will.
LOL. Don't try to put this on me. I asked for proof that your engine could achieve numbers like that, and you showed me an engine that's not yours doing it. All I say again is, I won't believe it until I see it, and you certainly haven't shown it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalub
Designed, built, and engineering for Rally Racing? Uh, only the engine.
And what, you think you're car is not eligible or something for a 0-60 run? Why? Because it's old? My car has 100k miles on it, does better than a brand new 97 GT did.
And no, you have no respect for my car because you just simply don't like it. Our arguments came AFTER you called everyone else's Mustangs failstangs and AFTER you called mine a failstang and said I have no style, etc. Just seems you're mad my car is faster than yours.
derpderpderp
i have 2 choices on which i will use for college
03 Accord, looks like dis:
or
08 Civic, looks like dis:
the accord engine says vtec on it and the civic doesn't
civic looks cooler
i am torn halp
e: also i crashed the civic exactly once, killed the left front axle derpderpderp
Civic, better fuel economy, it's newer, etc.
And even though the engine might not say VTEC on it, it is.
Given that both are used cars, the Civic is a better choice in all aspects except backseat space (but unless you're chauffeuring tall people around all the time, it shouldn't be a problem). Civic does have vtec even if it doesn't say so.Quote:
Originally Posted by mR_r0b0to
the accord engine is more powerful :x
edit: says wikipedia; accord has the k-series, civic has r-series or someshit
Accord may have a bigger engine, but it's pulling a bigger car at the same time (only the V6 version really makes a difference). The Civic's four cylinder is quite enough to get it going.
I've driven a Corolla with a 1.5L engine (my driving instructor's car), and it doesn't feel sluggish at all because the Corolla isn't a large sedan. The Civic is the same size and the engine is slightly bigger, it should be fine.
What Buckshot said AND you're going to be a college student right? You're going to be so strapped for cash it won't even be funny. The Civic will help with that because it gets better gas mileage, and is newer so is probably more reliable. You'll spend way less on operating costs of the Civic than the Accord.Quote:
Originally Posted by mR_r0b0to
the mom's paying for fuel :iamafag: (also she thinks the accord is safer hurrf durrf, insisting i use the accord)
im still living with my parents for one more year :neckbeard:
i do want the civic though, looks way cooler
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/h...SaleenBaby.jpg
Thats right a 2008 Saleen I picked up from down south for $33,000. Its worth $49,000.
This car will make you $hit yourself...........
Also has the Glass top roof.
daaaayumnnn
And it is red...epic win.
Nice!
Got a list of mods it has on it?
The number of rich kids in this thread is staggering to me :gonk:
Or God forbid they bought the cars with their own money. :v:Quote:
Originally Posted by ExAm
Usually people in their teens or early 20s don't have money for this shit unless they got a high paying job and didn't attend college. Somehow.
If I'm correct you can't view peoples age anymore, so how would you know they're in their teens/early 20s?Quote:
Originally Posted by ExAm
The old Post Your Age thread from some months back. IIRC the vast majority of us are in that age range.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xetsuei
yah :(Quote:
Originally Posted by ExAm
Okay, Matooba is over 21, and DaaxGhost has a high paying job. Who else is there?Quote:
Originally Posted by ExAm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xetsuei
What more do you want from me? I showed you the engine I have tucked under my hood, you think mine and another one are different? I'm not saying MY engine can do those things. I'm saying the 4g63t has been around for about 20 years and it can do 700-800hp on the stock friggin' block.
Do a google search ya prick.
And I call serious bullshit on your >6scnd 0-60, prove me wrong. :realsmug:
Kalub, what car are you talking about? Is it one of the two in you original post on Page 1 or is it something else? In all this pitter patter, I can't for the life of me figure it out, and I went back and reread the whole thread...:gonk:.
Now stop bitchin' there are countless other websites that say the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by http://everything2.com/title/4G63
E: @Warsaw, I'm talking about any car that runs the 4g63 engine. There are ton, but the most common ones are the DSM's. Just google DSM.
4G63s are good engines mate. Highest amount of horsepower per litre of any production engine.
So the argument is that the 4G63, an in-line 4-cylinder, can't outdo a V8 (I'm assuming 4.6L, don't know much about 90s 'Stangs, since I don't particularly like ones from that era)in a Mustang GT?
Basically. I'm just trying to tell him that my car isn't some push around. He is denying everything, and claiming that his car can do 0-60 in less than 6seconds with no major mods on it.
I'm just trying to tell him my engine is a powerhouse, and he is talking out his ass and being a prick about it. He understands nothing about a turbocharged car or how to maintain or modify the systems. Calling me a ricer for using gauges to monitor everything my engine does.
LOL. You claim it can do 700-800hp and then say do a google search prick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalub
And sure, this weekend I'll do a 0-60 run on the roads. :v:
Yes, but the fact is their forced induction. You can get anything out of any engine if it has a strong block, but the 4G63 has the highest horsepower per litre STOCK. And that barely even matters, because it's coming from one turbo which makes the engine have terrible turbo lag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
No, the argument is FAR from that. The argument is if his car can outperform mine right now.
And it honestly doesn't matter how much horsepower the block can get out, he's just saying it to show how big his e-penis is. If I really wanted to, I could bore out my engine and supercharge it and get 900rwhp, which is like 1100hp crank. He has completely taken this argument in a direction it shouldn't have been taken.
LOL, not at all. You called my car a failstang and said your car was tons faster, I said prove it and show me 0-60 and 1/4 mile times, and then you told me how much horsepower your block can put out, and it's come to this. I am not denying it, I am asking for simple proof. Yes, the 7 bolt is weaker than the 6 bolt. No, you have not shown me YOUR engine doing upwards of 300hp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalub
And also, no major mods on my engine? Are you fucking joking? It has a COMPLETELY different valvetrain than the standard 4.6L V8 that came in the 1997 GT, I bought new heads and cams and had everything tuned so it now has 4 valves per cylinder rather than 2.
Wow, way to be a fucking hypocrite. You act like you're the one getting attacked here, Mr. Failstang. Yes, I know quite a lot about turbo charged cars, you even seemed you didn't know about turbo lag at first or you just didn't bother to mention it. And no, I called you a ricer because you didn't need them since if it happens to your engine those fancy gauges won't make it stop. :downsdance:
jesus shut the fuck up you homos.
It's whoever keeps arguing. Kalub has a little man complex with his engine and think it has to beat all the big bad V8s or else his penis will feel small.Quote:
Originally Posted by StankBacon
In an attempt to bring this thread back on topic, come 2011, I'm getting one of these:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...t_Volt--DC.jpg
My car came stock with a boost gauge built right into the cluster for a reson. :downs:
I haven't installed the EGT/Wideband yet, I'm collecting up parts. However, they are there for a reason, or will be. If I'm going to push my car I want to know what it's doing, if I see it spike or detonate all I have to do is pull over, pop the hood and turn down the controller. So yea, they do prevent me from fucking shit up. :haw:
You say you can bore yours out, blah blah, and acheive those numbers, requiring countless hours of machine work and money. Whereas I just spend $600 on injectors, a fuel pump, and a bigger turbo and push 300+awhp. More if I go another $600 and get a fmic, and safc. Next to 380+ on stock engine. Oh, and it takes me no less than a day to swap. :realsmug:
And I started this arguement because you really are one of the very people I hate, the bigots that fucking have this huge hardon for a Mustang GT, yet know nothing about any other car than the ones you spend hours daily wikipedia'ing.
Dollar for dollar invested, mine would be quicker than yours. And that's all there is about it, and I'm willing to bet that right now your car does about 8-9seconds 0-60. Not anywhere near what you predict. I'm also willing to bet that you've never even done more to your engine than change the oil.
Prove. Me. Wrong.
Guys! setle it like men, with adrag racefight to the deathhorse power test, go get it tested and take pic of the test results. To make it more manly put a wager on it heh
Bacon your getting a squashed Honda??
Feels like the opposite to me, you know, since you know nothing about cars other than what you've read on Wikipedia. :smugoff:Quote:
Originally Posted by Xetsuei
You went there...Quote:
Originally Posted by AdmiralBacon
That's cool, I'm actually looking for a car for the girlly friend. Her buddy got into a '04 WRX and they get all giggly about it. I think I'm gonna go for a Acura MDX or a Dodge SRT-4 for her. (SO I can drive it too :P)
I just don't dig how the newer cars, ie: Ford Fusion, the newer Hondas, Prius, etc are taking this who humpback shape. It's kinda displeasing.
You never said the boost monitor was built into the instrument cluster and good, you FINALLY provided good reason and logic to why you're getting the other gauges. See, that wasn't hard now was it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalub
And nope, to get more horsepower out of mine you don't have to do much of anything. Tune = 25 more hp, intake = 15 more hp, full exhaust = 35 more hp. There, you've gone from 215 to 290 without spending more than $500. I've had it tuned, intake, valvetrain, but I don't know how much the new valves are making the engine do but I know for sure it is more than 300hp. With a full exhaust and not being modest on the power the new valvetrain is doing, probably 350hp. And then, on top of all that, my car is STILL naturally aspirated (better response than your engine, less complication and moving parts), and still has way more torque than your engine.
No, you started this argument because you are a douchebag. I didn't do fucking anything to provoke you, I posted some pictures of my car along with a video and you come along and call it a failstang and say I have no style, as well as calling the other people with Mustang's in this thread failstangs. What the hell is wrong with you? And at least Wikipedia is for the most part reliable and has sources, unlike you. And no, I do not get ALL of my information from Wikipedia by any means. I visit many car forums as well, as well as hang out with real car tuners in RL who actually know what they're talking about.
Dollar for dollar invested? LOL. Now you're saying yours may not be faster but at least you got a better deal? Pathetic. Mine is still faster, and I could of done modifications and made mine WAY better than yours dollar for dollar, but I am doing those later and doing the more important mods first. And no, a stock 1997 GT convertible does 6.5 seconds stock on a 4 speed manual with 2.73 gears. You somehow thing with the mods I've done and more than a hundred horsepower more, it is somehow slower? Get real. And I didn't predict it, I went to the dragstrip on a day where they let people drag their cars and got the numbers there. And now you're accusing me of lying about the things I've done to my car? Sure I didn't install the valvetrain components MYSELF or tune it (Ford dealership did that), but I did install the airfilter. I have checked, and changed both engine oil and transmission oil. There's not much else to do with the car, it's pretty bullet proof.
E: Whoops skipped a page.
I'm not up-to-date on all these new car insults 'cause I don't give a damn about them, but that's a Chevy Volt plug-in hybrid that does 40 miles before using the gas engine (which is just attached to a generator and doesn't directly drive the wheels).Quote:
Originally Posted by Limited
I don't know if I'm reading this right or not, buy apparently it costs $40k.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdmiralBacon
http://jalopnik.com/5329672/gms-bob-...-off-at-toyota
But I guess...props for going American? :X
Yeah. It's expensive. If you live in CA, you can get the Honda Clarity, which is a fuel-cell car and is even more pricey...:realsmug:.
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Originally Posted by Xetsuei
Still, get a video of you doing 0-60 and time it. I want to see this amazing machine of yours.
So I hear I'm not the one paying for it :realsmug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Xetsuei
Ouch, that hurts. I'd rather pay $4 a gallon for gas to put in a $15,000 car thanks. :)
And sure, I'll do it. But you still haven't shown me your car is even faster than a stock Mustang, why don't you do a 0-60 video? Afraid that your car is slower than mine? :realsmug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalub
90s Mustangs and 90s Eclipses booth look lame, because they are 90s cars, and thus are completely non-descript; cars from the 80s had more flare. However, does that mean they are lame? No.
/argument
I win. :haw:
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I'll do one when I get ahold of a camera. It won't be any problem.
And actually, those d15 swaps started in a crate. A friend and I assembled them in automotives class and then swapped them in. I can build engines, which tells me I know alot, more than you for sure.
And actually I'm not guessing that. Since, I can take $1000 and run high 11's on a stock engine, from '90.
I don't know how you want me to prove anything since, you won't believe it anyways. Your in some sort of denial or something.
Anyways, I'm done. I've come to realize you know nothing about your car, and you're not open enough to even listen to me. If you wanna go ahead and prove me wrong. Till then I'm just gonna walk away now. I've told you everything, and told you were to go to find my sources and proof. If you are too ignornant to do that then I don't even care to argue anymore.
@Warsaw, screw the 80's :P My brother has one of them thar 88 Mustangs with the 2.3L Turbo engine in it. I hate fastbacks, lol.
I'm kidding, anything from the 60-90's looks fine. Except for Camaros.... sad day there
Yeah, but it will be slower than my Mustang, which is the whole thing we were supposed to be arguing about. :v:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalub
And again, whoop de fucking do, you can build an engine. But you continue to show that somehow you still know absolutely nothing about them. Kind of interesting if you ask me. You seem to think that because you know how to build an engine you automatically know how much horsepower new intake, valvetrain, and a tune would give my engine when you are not even experienced on my engine and know NOTHING about my engine. Get real. The only engine you're experienced in is yours which you have to boost to hell and back just to get 300hp out of it, while my engine is naturally aspirated and needs hardly anything to get to 300hp, and I'd like to mention again still has WAY more of what actually matters, TORQUE.
And yes, you are guessing it. Again, I want proof that you can do high 11s for $1000 of mods, and you've shown me NONE of it.
So far, you've only provided ONE piece of ACTUAL proof for a thing that you've said, and that's that the 6 bolt engines are stronger than the 7 bolts. For everything else, you've resorted to linking me to random websites and telling me to search for hours until I find what you're talking about. I am in denial by no means, but you certainly are.
I know nothing about my car? Lmfao, how do you figure that? You like to manipulate things because you still have a little man complex about your engine, and you can't accept that my Mustang is faster. I listen to you, the stuff that you say is true and provide proof for anyway. The things you make up though? Nope. And I am by no means ignorant to do it, I just don't like searching for hours on random sites that are
1)Random sites
2)Probably won't even contain the information
3)Are about cars I don't even like.
And I know that even though you say you're done, you aren't. You'll probably continue arguing.
Fuck, me, sideways.
Seriously? I told you where to go, to a website that has been around for 20+ years, full of knowledgable people who can tell you the size of any bolt on the damn car.
I told you I was done, so unless you go about proving me wrong. I think your Failstang™ will always be a Failstang™. SO there. :gonk:
If anyone wants to dig up anything on what I've said and prove me wrong, go for it. Until then, don't just deny it. Kthx (It makes you look stupid, and voids the process of an argument.)
Yes, but you think I will search for hours to try and find something that might not even be there. Why is it so hard to find the link yourself if you're so knowledgeable of the site? Hmm?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalub
And no, you still aren't done because you're continuing to argue. And no, my Mustang is still miles better than your ricey little talon with it's tiny 4banger engine and it's incredibly generic looks. I don't have to prove my Mustang isn't a bad car to you, because I could care less about your opinion of my car because to me and a lot of other people you're a complete douchebag.
And nice job making that last little bit up "voids the process of an argument" rofl. I again don't see why it's so hard for you to find the information if you know the site front and back. I've already listed the reasons why I won't go through it.
E: Wow, is it over? Fucking finally.
Well, I'm still waiting for those videos. Prove me wrong. :golfclap:
I have money bet RL with my Dad that your car doesn't do less than 6seconds 0-60. So don't fail me.
Weekend, if at all. And did you bet that my car could do it or that it can't?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalub
Can't.
$15 ridin' on it. :woop:
But if I don't do it you know that means that it doesn't prove my car can't do it, and if I do do it then it proves my car can. So there's no way you would get $15 either way, stupid bet from a stupid person I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalub
Acutally, if you don't do it then I lose nothing, it just shows than you can't backup what shit you've stirred. If you do, however, and you get less than 6 seconds then I'm out $15. If you fail, then he's out $15 bucks.
I made the bet with my dad, this is his car, he doesn't think you can do it either. :neckbeard: (Either way a friendly wager, which will be my track entry fee sometime soon, was made.)
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...290ace7804.jpg
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...ede4540317.jpg
Go ahead, put out or get out. Either way I find it amusing.
E: I'm actually planning a trip with him and my brother to a strip, so I'll get back to you with pictures of timeslips on our cars. I tried to record a 0-60 in my car, but it's hard because I have to shift. (Real men drive manual, ask PenGuin)
All the shit I've stirred? Are you fucking INSANE? You started ALL of this, do not EVER try to blame any of it on me. And you STILL have yet to prove your piece of shit 4banger can even outrun my Mustang stock, if you'll remember it was YOU that said your car could beat mine, yet you continue to ignore this and try to bring it all upon me. I will hold up my end of the deal, can you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalub
And for once in your entire life can you not act like a complete asshole? Again, what the hell is wrong with you? Did a Mustang hit you? I just have two words, grow up.
And by the way, even my Mustang automatic is still WAY manlier then your ricey little 4banger. And no, mount the camera somewhere in the car smartass, but it would be hilarious to see you use an excuse that you were holding your camera as to a reason it's not as fast as my Mustang. And I would have a manual in my car but
1)It came with an automatic when I bought it at $2000, and the car in as good of a condition as it is in should have been sold for $7000, so I took it while I could.
2)I will buy a manual transmission for it when I have the time and the money to do it.
And even then, I might not be able to find an open drag strip, and I sure as hell am not going to do it on the local roads.
E: Or I could be lazy and not do it at all because I don't care if some random douchebag on the internet doesn't think my car can get a sub 6 second 0-60. We'll just have to find out.
This is getting out of hand. Is ExAm gonna have tochoke a bitchlock a thread?
Told you that your car was a peice of shit, (Which it is) and that mine was better. You had an meltdown and fell for the trollbait saying it was all this and that, so I called you on it.
Now, I just said I was going to the strip soon, and that your pussy car would be funding said trip didn't I? I even said I'd show you track slips slower or not, I can eat my words, can you?
Now are you going to put out, or get out. And don't pull that open roads bullshit with me, find somewhere to do it. It's not hard, and 0-60 shouldn't take you more than 1/8th mile. :downs:
(Oh, just got off the phone with the brother, he read the thread and said the same thing. Only problem is, he didn't want to bet and lose his money. :ohdear:)
Anyways, I'll probably get around to the track probably next weekend. We need to swap out the heater core on the Pinto, and my brother needs some help building some mounts for a FMIC to go on his machine. Hope to see you don't back out. :realsmug:
Troll bait? So now you admit you are trolling? Just further proves my point that you are a complete asshole and need to grow up. And no, my car is still far better. Better engine, interior, reliability, luxury, speed, mostly everything. I had a meltdown? What are you even talking about? Quit making things up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalub
And you have to realize, I'M 15. I have to always get someone to ride in the car with me, and go places. So not only does it depend on if I have time to do it, but it depends on if THEY have time to do it. My parents also pay for mostly everything on my car, so again it's up to them really. And also, I'm not an asshole that disregards everyone's safety so I don't speed (well, not 10mph faster) on local roads.
I'm honestly not believing any of this brother-father stuff either. I don't know if you're trying to put pressure on me or something, but it's just stupid. "HURF DURF I BET MY DAD YOUR CAR CANT DO SHIT". Quite pathetic if you ask me.
By bye car thread. I might clean it out and reopen it later, but for now, it's closed. All arguments should be done through PMs only.
Don't touch my thread.
You're 15?! Holy shit, no wonder you don't know anything. Anyways, I haven't made anything up, and even though you have to get parental approval to drive "your" car, I'm still going to have my fun.
I'll be back with some vids and stuff of my trip, when I go.
And seriously, argument was lulz worthy. Every one I show it to thinks so.
