Nintendo of Japan Announces Pokemon Black/White, also Speculation Thread

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The last PK game I played (well, playing, went back to it about a week ago out of boredom) is Sapphire. I don't get why they never worked on the ingame usability. Like, if someone is trying to give you a fucking goatdamn pokemon and you obviously have 6 fucking fruitcakes in your fruitcake basket, why can't the game magically send that shit to Someone's Box? FFS, it has magical pokemen from outer space, I'm sure they can have magical tricorders which transmit pokeballs via wifi or some shit. Same thing with items, if I can't receive or pick one up because my bag is already full, why the fuck not auto or ask to send that shit to my PC?

Then there's the pokemon party system. What. A. Joke. Maybe the Japanese should play some FPS or something, learn about load outs. Gee, I wonder how much better it would be if I could instead create parties (plural) which I can switch in and out instead of depositing all but one fruitcake into the e-fruit basket, then withdrawing the 5 I want, then going back and depositing that last one and withdrawing the 6th I wanted? The party system really could have been designed better, even as early as GEN2

Instead I get more fucking fruit (500 now? WTFC) to waste away in my (e-)baskets, and shit like pokeman competitions. Fuck newer versions of this franchise. Also, fuck the asshole who made it so I can only get Alakazam after a trade. Fuck them, fuck them, fuck them. Talk about loss of direction

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some ROM hacks out there have it some trade only pokemon can be obtained by lvl up or found in the wild

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Also, fuck the asshole who made it so I can only get Alakazam after a trade. Fuck them, fuck them, fuck them.

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The games were intended to encourage human interaction and linking up via link-cables, back in the days of the Game Boys. Not to mention that back in those days, we didn't all have instant, uninterrupted internet access, so basically everything about the games was a mystery, and got passed around by mouth. People didn't fully understand the game mechanics, and if the television show or game guides (the physical kind back in those days) hadn't explained it to us, we would've all had heart attacks if we saw our Magikarps evolve. Machamp, Alakazam, Steelix, Golem, etc, those were all rewards for making friends.

I agree about the PC design, though. I'd like to see them implement the PC into the Pokedex, so people wouldn't have to travel all the way to a Pokemon centre just to switch out their team.

Today, possible artwork from the development of the new season of the Pokemon anime was released onto the internet. Whether or not you care about the show, these rough drawings appear to show four unreleased Pokemon, including what appears to be evolved forms of two of the new starter Pokemon.

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi...4/BW_anime.png

As always, the girls have ridiculous amounts of hair.

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As always, the girls have ridiculous amounts of hair.

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chances are this one will have some form of puberty be it dawn's birthing sized hips or may's gigantic tits...

also why does the girl seem familiar like form some obscure anime?

New trailer showcases new Pokemon, as well as triple battles. I dunno about you, but I thought two was enough.

The new trailer can be viewed here.

It also appears to show a bit of the online-mode, though I can't tell exactly what's happening. To be honest, I feel like the addition of the PC-mode is a big deviation from the game's style. If it isn't on a hand-held, it doesn't seem right.

Pocketto monstaa blacku and whitto would look betta on the tree dee es.

SHINE YOUR FUCKING BADGES!

Just to let you guy's know, Play-Asia.com (Where I get my imports from, heh) has announced that they are allowing people to preorder Pokemon Black and White!

Note: This preorder is for the Japanese version of the game. If you can't read Japanese, or don't like the challenge of beating a game in a different language, then wait until somewhere in March 2011 for it to come out in English.

Pokemon Black: http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-...k-70-3vy7.html
Pokemon White: http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-...e-70-3vy6.html

Both games cost $59.90 USD, with $5.90 USD shipping. (I believe they offer other shipping, it costs more however)

I haven't played a pokemon game after Fire Red. Because I can't emulate a DS on a PSP. Game looks fun though. I wonder if they've fixed the god awfully slow text...

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I haven't played a pokemon game after Fire Red. Because I can't emulate a DS on a PSP. Game looks fun though. I wonder if they've fixed the god awfully slow text...

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You do know you can speed that shit up by holding down the button, right?

And go into options and put it faster.

So the concept art I posted here...

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Originally Posted by thehoodedsmack

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi...4/BW_anime.png

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... is now confirmed to be legitimate, after Nintendo has released a new screenshot, showcasing a Pokemon battle involving one of the featured characters:

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...i_Oha_Suta.jpg

In addition to this, a Chinese retailer has also released pictures of toys from Bandai's upcoming line of tie-in products, which feature two new Pokemon, one which can be seen in the concept art image, standing between the characters Jessie and the unnamed female protagonist.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...ly10_new_1.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...ly10_new_2.jpg

In my opinion, the first one looks alright, but the green mouse/monkey/whatever isn't doing it for me.

I thought we already had Larvitar.

Am I the only one who thinks pokemon has turned into carebears?

In my opinion, The Pokemon Company needs to make more changes in their continental divisions. So far, all the games have been developed under the strict design of the Pokemon Company of Japan. The games themselves reflect this, as we can see that all the regions in the games are based on areas of Japan.

The Nintendo Company of America should be given the duty of creating Pokemon games, and Pokemon species, targeted at American audiences. That means region-specific Pokemon based on the continents of North and South America, and possibly stretching into Europe. Some Pokemon species would of course be commonplace all over the world, but in effect you would see Pokemon that are more understandable and likable for your local audience.

Pokemon had its indisputable golden-age back in the late nineties, but with the release of HeartGold and SoulSilver, they're experiencing a resurgence in popularity. They've regained the attention of their original fan-base, as well as their current younger audience. At this point, they have the biggest group of fans they have ever held. And if they screw it up with Pokemon Black and White, there will be no hope for them to make any sort of lasting comeback in the western world.

So anyone played the leaked rom?

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Originally Posted by Heathen

So anyone played the leaked rom?

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There is none.

You are correct.

I fail.

Literally I just downloaded one, and it was a Soul Silver rom lmao

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Literally I just downloaded one, and it was a Soul Silver rom lmao

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S'what I did too.

I was :[ when I put it into my acekard. Should have realized when it was called Pokess. Pokemon Soul Silver.

I feel like the standard plot of pokemon games is getting really tired. "An unlikely hero rises above all odds to challenge every gym leader and become the champion". Sapphire/Ruby tossed daddy issues into the mix by making one of the gym leaders the character's father, but it wasn't enough to really make it unique. What happened to the trainer from Red/Blue? After you defeat him in silver/gold he disappeared forever. They need to bring him back for one last generation.

20 years later... Red awakens from sleep, another wasted day. After the rockstar-esque glory days of being the pokemon champion, his life had taken a downward turn. His wife took his pokemon and everything he owned in the divorce, he was left with nothing. The phone rings, its Blue. Professor Oak has died. After the funeral of his childhood hero, Red is left drowning in despair. The only man who ever believed in him has suddenly vanished from existence. In a drunken stupor, he wanders into the abandoned lab. In a box labeled "Junk", he finds one forgotten pokeball.... Suddenly sobered by nostalgia, a smile cracks across his lips... its time to make a come back.


Pokemon Orange/Purple: Going back to indigo plateau

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You may as well make a new game at that point. It would never happen in Nintendo.

I always wanted there to be one called Pokemon something: Ash's Adventure.

Yellow version was the closest to that, except there was no brock and misty joining up.

It leaves a lot of space for scripted events.

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I always wanted there to be one called Pokemon something: Ash's Adventure.

Yellow version was the closest to that, except there was no brock and misty joining up.

It leaves a lot of space for scripted events.

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I've never played through a Pokemon game under the impression that I was some character. Having your own adventure is part of the series' charm, and knowing that you're just acting out a predetermined experience, that seems like you may as well just watch the anime while pressing buttons.

Which is another thing I believe they should do with the series: less story, more events. I would be fine playing a Pokemon game where I don't have to save the region/world/universe. Instead, multitudes of individual side-stories within the game, where the player can shape their own journey, hopefully having enough options to always experience something new. The Nintendo WFC could even be used to update the games with new events.

The player could be free to explore the world in their own way, focusing on aspects beyond getting eight badges, stopping the local criminal organization, becoming the champion, and rolling credits. Other opportunities such as advanced breeding mechanics and Pokemon contests could become a player's focus if they wanted, or perhaps the player would choose to become a Pokemon hunter, stalking rare Pokemon and selling them to collectors and trainers. There are so many opportunities left unexplored by the Pokemon games, that to me it seems silly to want to play as some punk kid, doing things we've already seen.

I want to see less stupid looking Pokemon and more innovative designs/ideas behind them. I'm also still waiting for a Farfetch'd, Heracross, Pinsir, Kecleon evolution/pre-evolution as well as animals that haven't been tackled yet. Fire ant that evolves into a bombardier beetle, a dolphin, a peacock, a raccoon, another horse, a pillbug (roly poly) with a millipede evolution, a stick bug, a bloodhound or husky, a wolf, a cheetah, an ACTUAL lion and not that stupid lightning crap pokemon from the last generation, any animals/bugs/things that haven't been done to death already. Enough birds and butterflies and moths. Though, I do like that they made another crocodile and zebra and I can accept the pigeon pokemon cause the location of this generation is supposedly based off the U.S.

I just miss the old simple designs that the 1st generation, and many of the 2nd generation, had. More detail/shit added onto them =/= more interesting pokemon.

And I fully support both ICEE's and thehoodedsmack's ideas.

Pokemon games are for fun and sales. They're fun (generally speaking) and Nintendo was sticking with what they knew would work. It's a well orchestrated gaming franchise (try to say otherwise) and I've played every standard Pokemon game (not Rangers or Dungeon or Console). I've enjoyed most of them through the end of the game (the end being there is nothing interesting left to do). One thing that has bothered me though are the designers' ideas of a challenge in the new games. Adding Double Team to an already fast and dangerous pokemon *cough*Glailass*cough* with no attacks that are flawless in accuracy with super-effectiveness is the worst thing in the world because it's OBNOXIOUS. I've also noticed the Computer becomes unbearable in the Battle Frontie's Battle Tower. Here's the scenario:

-I open up the 7th battle with Garchomp. The computer throws out a Vigoroth. I'm like "I need to beat this thing before it uses Crush Claw." So I use Dragon Claw. Well the computer's like "OMG this guy is stupid so ima gonna mess with him" and he uses THE ONE ATTACK THAT CAN DEFEAT GARCHOMP IN ONE HIT: Counter.

-With Garchomp down, I'm like "Well crap, better make sure Empoleon kills this thing." So I send out Empoleon, use Brine, and finish the bastard Vigoroth. Now it sends out HITMONLEE (of all the pokemon right?) and basically it uses Rolling Kick and CRITICAL HITS Empoleon, the only way Empoleon would have gone down in one fucking turn.

-So with Empoleon down, I'm like "Crap, send out Jolteon to finish this" and Jolteon does. So now the damn computer thinks "I'm going to screw his day up" and sends out a fucking Lunatone (which Empoleon could have destroyed in one turn). To make matters worse, Jolteon's most powerful attack is Shockwave (because TM's take twice as many coins to get at the Casino) and Lunatone has pretty good defenses. So I use Shockwave and it takes 1/3 of Lunatone's health. But that's pointless next because Lunatone uses Cosmic Power, making the attack down to 2/5. Now to make me even more pissed, the computer uses Ancient Power and hits Jolteon, taking 1/4 of his Health. But the worst part is where it RAISES ALL OF IT'S STATS. Well now Shockwave only takes 1/4 of the health and Jolteon has a weak defense. Lunatone ALSO USED A SITRUS BERRY, so he recovered half of the damage I did the first time.

-Now here is where I think the designers made the computer too difficult against the player. Jolteon has 3/4 of his HP. Well the only thing that can defeat Jolteon in one turn is Ancient Power going Critical. Well guess what, it did. If the damn move wouldn't have, I probably could have won because Lunatone had about half of his HP and Jolteon could have survived another turn or so.

So basically, here is my dillemma: Why on earth is Nintendo making the computer so powerful in new Generations (the powerful as in what I just explained) at the Battle Frontier/Gyms, where it was fine in Emerald's? I know they're the most pivotal and supposed to be challenging parts of the game, but the scenario I just explained makes it to where the computer has too much access (that or I'm just too freaking damn unlucky) to things like Critical Hits and outright chance completely in their favor. I really hope in the future games that it's more balanced between the player and the computer. I really liked Gold/Silver in this way because it was completely strategy and types with the computer instead of the bullcrap that just ensued in the scenario I explained (or at least that's what I remember).

Oh I completely agree on the computer being overpowered in the recent games. It seems no matter how many times I cause paralysis and attack the opponent, their pokemon never gets paralyzed. If my pokemon gets paralyzed it can't attack for the entire battle. Opponent attacks with an ice attack, my pokemon instantly freezes. 20% chance to poison my pokemon with poison sting? More like it always poisons no matter what. And don't get me started on those consecutive attacks. I only manage to hit the opponent twice with, let's say, fury swipes, and the opponent hits all five times with a couple of critical hits thrown in there. Sand attack? My pokemon is flailing about the entire battle and doesn't land a single hit. It's ridiculous.

However, the one thing they improved over past games is sing, hypnosis, and confuse ray. I remember in the original gold and silver, my pokemon would always be put to sleep or get confused by these attacks where as I would always miss when using them. Not so much in the recent games.

My face when you guys are complaining about overpowered computers when people actually requested it because they thought the game was too easy

Nintendo SHOULD though make a difficulty selection when you first start, Casual or Hardcore. Casual meaning you have okay computer battles, while Hardcore basically makes you pull your hair out. Crits, Hax galore, with no way to beat the very first trainer without leveling up your pokemon to ridiculous levels and have incredible luck.

And on the hardest difficulty, the computer would use items as often as a player.

And it would say shit like "Biker Jeff pressed BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB"

Ramping up difficulty doesn't mean they should go against the percentages for effects of attacks.

I do agree that to make the opponents more difficult they should use items during the battle and not use stupid attacks (example: opponent's geodude keeps using defense curl even though I'm attacking with a special move) during the battle. The opponents should even switch pokemon out to get the upper hand during the battle and also have more pokemon in their party that don't go by the 'more pokemon you have the lower all their levels are' rule. I also think if there should be a difficult option, the player shouldn't be told what pokemon the opponent is sending out.

final forms of starters?

nice job linking from 4chan /b/tard

lol

protip:

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2. Upload them to an image hosting site
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5. PROFIT!!!

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And on the hardest difficulty, the computer would use items as often as a player.

And it would say shit like "Biker Jeff pressed BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB"

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If that was the case then I would be spending an entire day during one battle.lol.

I'm playing Ruby under my own rules (I call it Ruby Medium Mode) and it's basically all of the rules except:
1.) You don't have to release a fainted Pokemon. You can use Revive's only in-battle, but you have to revive a fainted Pokemon at the Pokemon Center otherwise.
2.) If you catch the first Pokemon you run into in an area, then you can catch more in that area. IF you screw up, then you can't catch anymore in that area.
3.) You're not "disqualified" from the challenge if you fail to nickname a Pokemon. I found this to be an annoying thing since I get attached to my team anyways.

I found Hard mode to be obnoxious and depressing, so I modified it for moderate use.

well fuck it 404'd besides i was lazy it was a scan of the srtarter's final form in gen 5

So it's been said that the Isshu region is based upon the geography and wildlife of the United States of America. Personally I don't think the Pokemon Company of Japan should be the ones tasked with creating an accurate representation of America, but whether or not you agree with that sentiment, the latest reveal from Pokemon Sunday has pretty well confirmed, in my mind at least, that the Isshu region is most definitely a region of America in the Pokemon World. First, the silhouette released on Pokemon Sunday:

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi..._July11_10.png

And the scan from CoroCoro magazine:

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...ck/wooguru.jpg

Wooguru (Japanese Name) The Valor Pokemon. A red, white, and blue eagle. Normal/Flying type based heavily on America's national animal.

Oh, also released in the magazine was Minezumi (Japanese Name), a chipmunk-looking thing.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...k/minezumi.jpg

Finally ONE pokemon that doesn't look like a total Plush toy.

Badass Eagle.

That chipmunk looks stoned... just like half of the other pokemon.

Does Wooguru have an ultimate attack based on unfounded assumptions the the opponent has WMD's, therefore calling in the full force of the American military to pillage and destroy the entire enemies country?

No seriously, I'm not even going to consider this game. There are only 151 Pokemon in my universe and that shall never change!

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Does Wooguru have an ultimate attack based on unfounded assumptions the the opponent has WMD's, therefore calling in the full force of the American military to pillage and destroy the entire enemies country?

No seriously, I'm not even going to consider this game. There are only 151 Pokemon in my universe and that shall never change!

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252 in mine, only because G & S were good too

Personally I still consider all Pokemon species canonical, as I find that every generation produces a few that I like. It needs stricter regulation, though, as there's been far too great of a stupid/awesome ratio in the latest generations.

Also, since this is the Pokemon world's America, I hope we get to see an appearance by Lt. Surge!

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252 in mine, only because G & S were good too

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I'll accept them all as long as the next ones don't make me want to vomit from stereotyping. i like the Legendaries though; most of them look badass.

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Personally I still consider all Pokemon species canonical, as I find that every generation produces a few that I like. It needs stricter regulation, though, as there's been far too great of a stupid/awesome ratio in the latest generations.

Also, since this is the Pokemon world's America, I hope we get to see an appearance by Lt. Surge!

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http://data0.eklablog.com/pokemon-pi...icle179057.jpg

Stupidest pokemon. It is called spoink. It is a psychic type you find in ruby/sapphire. It is literally a pig with a spring in its butt.

Anyone got a stupider one?

"Stupidest" and "Stupider" are not words, so no I don't because I don't know what you mean?

Basically a mexican
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/po...3/Ludicolo.jpg

Wtf
http://pokelibrary.com/images/pokemon/luvdisc.jpg

But dont think the first gen didnt have stupid ones
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi...3Exeggutor.png

I find Exeggutor or whatever funny and stupid (I like it) but the others are just stupid (I don't like them).

Well the problem with Gen3 is that there are so many useless Pokemon that the only point to have them is to have variety. I know people have different tastes, but some of these things are just there for variety, like Luvdisc (heart) and Ludicolo (Mexican). On the other hand, Pokemon like Absol and Sceptile bring out some ups in Gen3. Yet, at the same time, Gen3 also has a lot of Pokemon that are strong and useful, but annoying as hell to fight (Claydol and Milotic).

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The final details from CoroCoro have come out and have provided the details for all 7 Pokémon within the magazine. For other details, check the previous couple of updates. We'll update this as we do more translations. Please bear with us. Thanks to yaminokame for assistance on the translations.

• Details for the Pokémon are out
  
  • First, we have Kibago (キバゴ), the Tusk Pokémon. It is 0.6m tall and weighs 18kg. It has the abilities of Rivalry & Mold Breaker and is a Dragon-type Pokémon. It also has a new attack called Double Chop (ダブルチョップ) which attacks twice
  • Next is Koromori (コロモリ). It is the Bat Pokémon. It is 0.4m tall and weighs 2.1kg. It has the abilities of Unaware & Klutz and is a Psychic/Flying-type Pokémon. It also has a new attack called Heart Stamp (ハートスタンプ) which makes the opponent Flinch.
  • Next is Minezumi (ミネズミ). It is the Lookout Pokémon. It is 0.5m tall and weighs 11.6kg. It has the abilities of Run Away & Keen Eye and is a Normal-type Pokémon. It also has a new attack called You First (おさきにどうぞ) which allows the opponent to move first
  • Next is Gochiruzeru (ゴチルゼル). It is the Celestial Body Pokémon. It is 1.5m tall and weighs 44kg. It has the ability of Frisk and is a Psychic-type Pokémon. It has the new attack Magic Room (マジックルーム) which negates the effects of any Items on both you and the opponent for 5 turns..
  • Next is Rankurusu (ランクルス). It is the Amplification Pokémon. It is 1.0m tall and weighs 20.1kg. It has the abilities of Dust-Proof (ぼうじん), which makes the Pokémon not take damage from weather effects & Magic Guard and is a Psychic-type Pokémon.
  • Next is Wooguru (ウォーグル ), possibly derived from War and Eagle. It is the Valor Pokémon, it is 1.5m tall, weighs 41kg and is a standard Normal/Flying-type Pokémon. It has two abilities, one of them Keen Eye and the other is Encourage, the ability Hihidaruma has which boosts the power of its moves but prevents the moves having a secondary effect. It also has a new attack called Free-Fall (フリーフォール). Free-Fall is a two turn attack that has the Pokémon grab the opponent and lift it into the air and then on the next turn falls to the ground
  • Next is Musharna (ムシャーナ ), the evolution of the Pokémon Munna. It is the Trance Pokémon. It is 1.1m tall and weighs 60.5kg. It has the abilities of Forewarn & Synchronize and is a Psychic-type Pokémon. Both Munna & Musharna give off the Dream Smoke. As explained on Sunday, the Dream Smoke is part of the Global Link connectivity.
  
  Triple Battles
• First, we have details on the Triple battles, showing how you can target with the middle Pokémon being able to target all three Pokémon and the ones at the sides being able to target the opposite one and the middle one. You also have the ability to switch Pokémon positions in battle.
  If a Pokémon in the middle uses an attack that hits all Pokémon, then it will be very powerful
• There is a new ability called Telepathy (テレパシー) which allows the Pokémon to avoid receiving damage from its team-mates.
• There is also a new attack, name currently not given, which will cause all your team mates to avoid damage from attacks that would hurt all team members such as Earthquake. Global Link
• The Global Link has two modes. One, where your Pokémon play in a dream and another is an online battling system. It appears that you have the ability to capture Pokémon not in the Isshu Dex within the Global Link and have them transferred back to your game. This can be done in the dream mode. As we said on Sunday, you access the Global Link when you have Musharna, the evolution of Munna.
  
  • The Game Sync is accessible through the C Gear. Here, you can send a single Pokémon to the computer and the "dream world".
  • In the world of dreams Pokémon have their own rooms that they can play in. They can play minigames with other Pokémon. Pokémon that your Pokémon becomes friends with in the dream world can be taken back to the real world
  • If you are registed to the PGL, then you can play "Rating Mode" of "Random Match" at to the global terminal inside of the Pokémon center. It will send your battle results to a server gather them so you can see who is really strong.
  
  Version Changes
• Gochiruzeru and Rankurusu are Version exclusives and Black City & White forest are in the same part of Isshu.
• There will also be other cities that vary in appearance based on your game Features
• Using Infared, you have the ability of having speedy battles. This can be 2 or 4 Player. You can also trade this way on the spot from your box. You can automatically exchange friend codes over IR
• You have the ability to draw on your friends faces over the Live Caster video chat. Characters in game will also call you on the Live Caster from time to time
• There is also a gentleman in the game which will switch your game from the standard Hiragana/Katakana text to Kanji
• There is a feature called Feeling Check that checks players compatibility. One of the things it shows is a game where two people have to keep the same rythmn
• The High Link features mentioned yesterday have also been further confirmed and will involve meeting players over WiFi in the Isshu overworld and doing missions for them. This is as close to a MMORPG as we'll get
• The C Gear as we knew has abilities in InfraRed, Wireless & WiFi Characters
• Professor Araragi gives you the Pokémon and says for you to share with your friends, Cheren & Belle
• It seems that you, Belle and Cheren all get the starters from Professor Araragi, leaving none left out as all of you are beginning your journey together.
• Belle is a spontaneous person and is on her adventure against her father's wishes. She is rather unreliable.
• Cheren is an intelligent guy and will give you helpful tips throughout your journey. He intends to be the champion in Isshu.
• Indicating that Isshu is far away, the routes have once again reset and will begin with Route 1
• N is one of the antagonists. N will keep coming to challenge you in order to confirm his ideas of justice. He calls Pokémon "Friends", but one of the screen shots shows him saying that he wants to split humans and Pokémon and divide them so it's black and white. He has the unique idea to set Pokémon free from people. He's looking for the power to bring his idea to fruition
• Makomo will give you the C Gear after you assist her with a task

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I swear to god unless "Gear" has a badass evolution I will entirely condemn this game. There was hope with the Eagle based pokemon but I'm still very skeptical.

I will not tolerate the ruination of the Steel types. I'm still irritated at Jirachi and Mawile. Just what in fucks sake gives ANY hint that either of them are fucking Steel...LOOK AT THEM.
http://mewwebsite.altervista.org/Pok...ni/jirachi.jpg
http://www.thetanooki.com/wp-content...0415mawile.jpg

These are fucking proper Steel pokemon. Ones that will fuck you up 10 ways from sunday if you so much as look at them wrong.
http://www.freewebs.com/the-pokeball/answer019.gif
http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1...gron_large.jpg
http://files.myopera.com/TrainerRick....jpg_thumb.jpg

Yeah, steel really needs to step it up next generation. I honestly think that 2nd gen had the best/coolest steel pokemon with Scizor, Steelix, and Skarmory (though Metagross is pretty bad ass). Heck even Forretress is pretty good (after the upgrades it got in the 4th gen).

I have to agree that there have been some pretty stupid looking/worthless pokemon in the latest generations, but I certainly don't consider Ludicolo that. He may look ridiculous and doesn't have the best stats but it is his dual type that really helps him stand out. His evolutionary line is the only grass/water line out there and this combination of types covers many weaknesses each type originally had; like water covers grass's weakness to fire and ice and grass covers water's weakness to grass and electric. This leaves him weak to only flying, poison, and bug, and let's face it, not many people use bug and poison in their main line ups.

There are many other interesting dual types that narrow a pokemon's weakness down to one or two types, like Lanturn, Quagsire, and Scizor. I really hope that, if the new 5th gen pokemon are going to look idiotic, that Nintendo at least throws some more interesting type combinations and stops with the stupid generic 'filler' pokemon (like all the new pure water and normal/flying pokemon they introduce every generation).

My friend matt helped me breed a Skarmory in Platinum that knows Roost, Fly, Steel Wing and Sky attack. It fucking destroys. Skarmory has to be above all one of my favorites.

Was never a fan of steel types.

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My friend matt helped me breed a Skarmory in Platinum that knows Roost, Fly, Steel Wing and Sky attack. It fucking destroys. Skarmory has to be above all one of my favorites.

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Skarmory is my choice of flying type every time I play Silver. (haven't gotten to play soul silver yet)

A bird type with steel defense? Yes please.

For me:
Flying - Tropius (the HM slave basically)
Fire- Typhlosion/Charmander
Grass- Leafeon/Sceptile
Dark- Umbreon/Absol
Water- Swampert/Gyarados (well duh)
Electric- Magneton/Jolteon/Luxray
Steel- Scizor(I never have it, but it's my favorite)/Bronzong
Bug- Scyther/Butterfree/Beedrill (can't get anymore classic than that)
Ice- Derp?
Ground- Sandslash/Gligar
Dragon- Flygon/Garchomp (this thing owns EVERYTHING)
Poison- Double derp? Crobat
Psychic- Espeon/Alakazam
Ghost- Haunter/Sableye
Normal- Eevee/Linoone
Rock- Onix/Kabutops/Omastar (this thing owns too)

you guys need to learn about aggron. He is the best steel type.

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you guys need to learn about aggron. He is the best steel type.

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http://codebrainshideout.net/too_awe...9661172263.jpg

*sigh*

Problems I've had with Aggron (WARNING: PROBABLY BECAUSE I PLAYED EMERALD) :

-It's a bitch to evolve (Lairon sucks).
-It has two 4x weaknesses (Fighting and Ground) and is weak against Water.
-There's no point in modifying it (I equipped Lairon and Aron before Aggron with Macho Brace and it's awful).
-There are WAY better solutions. Aggron may be able to use a ton of different moves, but a weaker Special Attack makes most of those moves pointless, not to mention it doesn't get a STAB bonus for the most important Attack techniques, like Earthquake and Brick Break.
-It has a bad Special Defense. I can defeat most Aggrons in one surf attack with Swampert. If I can't it's because of level difference.
-Once you finally get an Aggron, it's just not worth it since you're already close to the end of the game and you can only use it for the one of the many tedious* gym battles (you'll probably get it by the time you reach the Mossdeep* and Sootopolis gyms). Sure, you can use it in the Elite Four and Victory Road (or Battle Frontier), but by that time I could have developed a far more superior team.
-Aggron is a steel type, so it's also slower than most of its weaknesses.

Any questions? These are just my observations and experiences. I just never found Aggron to be that useful or important enough to stray from developing a better team and Pokemon that can have that STAB bonus for important moves like Brick Break and Earthquake.

pidgey is the best /thread

Magikarp with an everstone /thead

Shuckle with an iron ball/thread

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Magikarp with an everstone /thead

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oh damn you beat me

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*sigh*

Problems I've had with Aggron (WARNING: PROBABLY BECAUSE I PLAYED EMERALD) :

-It's a bitch to evolve (Lairon sucks).
-It has two 4x weaknesses (Fighting and Ground) and is weak against Water.
-There's no point in modifying it (I equipped Lairon and Aron before Aggron with Macho Brace and it's awful).
-There are WAY better solutions. Aggron may be able to use a ton of different moves, but a weaker Special Attack makes most of those moves pointless, not to mention it doesn't get a STAB bonus for the most important Attack techniques, like Earthquake and Brick Break.
-It has a bad Special Defense. I can defeat most Aggrons in one surf attack with Swampert. If I can't it's because of level difference.
-Once you finally get an Aggron, it's just not worth it since you're already close to the end of the game and you can only use it for the one of the many tedious* gym battles (you'll probably get it by the time you reach the Mossdeep* and Sootopolis gyms). Sure, you can use it in the Elite Four and Victory Road (or Battle Frontier), but by that time I could have developed a far more superior team.
-Aggron is a steel type, so it's also slower than most of its weaknesses.

Any questions? These are just my observations and experiences. I just never found Aggron to be that useful or important enough to stray from developing a better team and Pokemon that can have that STAB bonus for important moves like Brick Break and Earthquake.

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You're a poor trainer? My Steel party decks anything in it's path, Aggron is no exception.

Aggron is the only steel I have in my party in sapphire, and he fucks everything up. I beat the water gym with him.

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You're a poor trainer? My Steel party decks anything in it's path, Aggron is no exception.

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and then flamethrower...flame thrower EVERYHERE

oh and fighting attacks and since most steel pokemon are really heavy a spam of low kick could beat them

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and then flamethrower...flame thrower EVERYHERE

oh and fighting attacks and since most steel pokemon are really heavy a spam of low kick could beat them

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Yeah, basically Flamethrower, Surf, and Earthquake. Steel pokemon don't last against their weaknesses. Also, calling me a poor trainer is a bad excuse: I used Aggron in Sapphire in the past and I thought it totally won (I still have that same game and haven't started a new one on that cartridge), but after expanding my options I have found a plethora of better ways than to use Steel types. The only Steel pokemon I'll acknowledge right now are Scizor and Bronzong (which is extremely effective in 4th Generation). Steel Pokemon (except Bronzong) usually have bad Sp.Def and their second type usually ruins any chance of fighting their weaknesses. Earthquake/Close Combat desimates Aggron because of the 4x effectiveness against the types. I'll only give Steel a thumbs up when it makes Pokemon resistant to usual attacks or weaknesses. In this case, Empoleon, Bronzong, and Scizor are definitely the best on my list.

No one mentioned Registeel?
I have one with 370 Defense an 402 Special Defense. He shrugs off Earthquakes and Flamethrowers like nobody's business, then fucks them up with Toxic and Seismic Toss (100 damage every turn, motherfuckers).
Plus he has Rest and Sleep Talk, so if someone does try to take that motherfucker down, he can just rebound and fuck your shit up even while he's asleep.

Here's the best fucking team ever:

Aerodactyl (Speed/Attack):
Stealth Rock
Taunt
Stone Edge
Earthquake

Heatran (Special Attack):
Earth Power
Lava Plume
Rest
Sleep Talk

Swampert (Attack/Defense):
Earthquake
Avalanche
Rest
Sleep Talk

Metagross (Attack/Defense, and SHINY MOTHERFUCKER):
Earthquake
Meteor Mash
Rest
Sleep Talk

Registeel (Defense/Special Defense):
Toxic
Seismic Toss
Rest
Sleep Talk

Zapdos (Special Attack):
Roost
Hidden Power (Grass)
Thunderbolt
Heat Wave

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No one mentioned Registeel?
I have one with 370 Defense an 402 Special Defense. He shrugs off Earthquakes and Flamethrowers like nobody's business, then fucks them up with Toxic and Seismic Toss (100 damage every turn, motherfuckers).
Plus he has Rest and Sleep Talk, so if someone does try to take that motherfucker down, he can just rebound and fuck your shit up even while he's asleep.

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I thought about Registeel as I was typing that last reply. That thing is a tank like Umbreon.

Umbreon fucks shit up, too.

I tried to incorporate him and Fortress into my team, but I didn't have the room. Test runs with the current team prove that it fucks things up royally so far.

That's an amazing party mobster, and an impressive Metagross.

Mine is as follows:
Metagross/Daedalus

Giga Impact
Flash Cannon
Calm Mind
Psychic

Also Umbreon is the fucking devil. My friend Derek bred one and it's absolutely terrifying.

Thanks. What moveset does your Umberon cart around, Teekie?

Not mine, Dereks. It's been a while since I fought his, I'll get you an update tonight since I'm heading to his house.

i dont nor have i played gen IV but from my experiences early on i used to love having a lvl 100 nidoking
toxic
horn drill
earthquake
thrash

Villainous Team Revealed!

Team Plasma

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi...asmaGrunts.png

They look retarded. We seem to be fighting what are essentially Pokemon Templars.

Edit: Holy shit! A legitimate black person in the Pokemon world!

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1.../pokeblack.jpg

a rumor has surfaced that nintendo intends to cull all but 12 pokemon from previous generations

this is just a RUMOR

They did with Ruby/Sapphire, didn't they?
I mean, it's sad to see all the old Pokemon go, but Ruby and Sapphire didn't turn out to be TOO bad. They had some good ones in there.

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Mario and Pokemon are successful because they keep to their same working formula.

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I think that's why I loved the reach Beta so much its a lot closer to CE.

While they haven't been cut from the game, game director Junichi Masuda has recently confirmed that until acquiring the National Pokedex, only Gen. V Pokemon will be available to the player.

Full Story

This means they'd better have a lot of new Pokemon released with this generation. Which hopefully means they'll have a handful of good ones.

In other news, Yahoo has inadvertently released new images and information on their servers.

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi...px-Victini.png

First is information on Victini, which is now known to be a Psychic/Fire type.

The rest is official artwork of three of the new Pokemon, including one never-before-seen bug-type, which is very reminiscent of Weedle/Wurmple.

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi...-Shikijika.png

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi...x-NewPoke1.png

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi...x-NewPoke2.png

Finally, official artwork of Aloe, the Pokemon franchise's first explicitly black character.

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi...White_Aloe.png

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi...White_Aloe.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi...x-NewPoke1.png

Lol. What the hell. Didn't even notice that.

Wasn't there an E4 member, a black aloha girl in some past gen game?

Yeah, there was: Phoebe.

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi...0px-Phoebe.png

From the Hoenn League. Gen. III.

But that's why I said explicitly black, and not ambiguously brown.

Oh, alright, thanks for correction. If they're making more black people I expect lolhueg lips from Japanese character designers / Ken Sugimori(?)

Another one!

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi.../93/Emonga.png

Scans of Emonga, the flying squirrel Pokemon, have been released today. Electric/Flying type.

Furthermore, the latest images from this month's CoroCoro magazine seem to demonstrate that the in-game clock has been enhanced to create seasonal changes in the Pokemon world, shown here to have effect on the appearance of certain Pokemon.

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi...oCoro_BW30.jpg

The idea is neat. I like the expansion on multiple and exotic type combinations. The only thing that I hate is the fact that I don't think Bambi will be a good Pokemon to win the Pokemon League with. It's like someone walked into the series AGAIN and said "let's make them all fuzzy wuzzy and adorable" instead of "let's make these things look badass." I really think Nintendo America (or whatever they're called) should've done this project.

On from the awful critic to the stuff I hope is improved from HGSS:

-The Designers figure out that amping up Pokemon with 4x weaknesses and randomass attacks is not balance. A Weavile from the E4 KO'd my entire team pretty much (except Ampharos) because it had every type of attack that exploits 4x weaknesses (except ground). It was faster than Rayquaza (which was an entire 10 levels higher). Now I know it's supposed to be challenging, but that was just ridiculous. An Umbreon also used ???Curse twice and Payback once to nearly faint Rayquaza (yes Rayquaza hit it first but I didn't think Umbreons were that strong).

-CAN SOMEONE PLEASE LIMIT THE TURNS SANDSTREAM RUNS AFTER THE POKEMON WHO STARTED IT HAS FAINTED/RETURNED? Thanks.

-I really hope the next game allows ways to have trade-evolution Pokemon accessable without trading.

-Make all Wi-Fi events accessible to English versions as well.

http://a.imageshack.us/img706/7780/1281554390624.jpg

So... what is that about? 3DS support?

The game isn't that heavy on 3D images, so I wonder what they'd do with it.

I honestly cannot wait to homebrew with the 3ds.

That's just fan art. Though I wish the game was designed for 3DS... but it's not.

Time to bring this thread back from the dead.

Content is spoilered for obvious reasons (its spoiling the game for you lol)

• There are 156 new Pokémon within this generation; 153 within normal gameplay and further 3 event Pokémon (#647, #648 & #649) that will be distributed in a manner similar to Darkrai, Shaymin & Arceus in the previous generation
• In regards to a few numbers and details;
  
  • #633 through #635 are a Dark/Dragon-type evolution chain
  • #638 is a Steel/Fighting-type Legendary
  • #639 is a Rock/Fighting-type Legendary
  • #640 is a Grass/Fighting-type Legendary
  • #641 is a Pure Flying-type Legendary
  • #642 is an Electric/Flying-type Legendary
  • Reshiram is to be #643
  • Zekrom is to be #644
  • #645 is a Ground/Flying-type Legendary
  • #646 is a Dragon/Ice-type Legendary
  • #647 is a Water/Fighting-type Event Legendary
  • #648 is a Normal/Psychic-type Event Legendary
  • #649 is a Bug/Steel-type Event Legendary
  
  
• In Hiun City, the boats will take you to various islands.

Smugleaf's evolve chain: http://serebii.net/blackwhite/tsutaevo.jpg

Pokebu's evolve chain: http://serebii.net/blackwhite/pokaevo.jpg

Otter's Evolve chain: http://serebii.net/blackwhite/mijuevo.jpg

Note that the above evolution pictures caused quite a stir, 4chan believes the pictures to be fake, while Serebii believes them to be real. I am not certain on whether or not they are legit, but I am just going to post it for the sake of posting it.

Now for my opinion...

About the new pokemon, I love these new types. That Dark/Dragon 3 chain evolve sounds like the new "Pseudo legendary" of this generation. I also love the types on the legendaries. There has not been a pure flying type, nor a dragon/ice type yet. There also hasn't been a ground/flying, rock/fighting (maybe), and a grass/fighting (again, maybe) pokemon yet, so this is exciting to me.

Gligar and Gliscor are Ground/Flying, and Breloom is Grass/Fighting. But other than that, you're right about the new type combinations. To me, it seems weird having a pure Flying-type, just because it's never been done before. Even things you'd expect to be straight Flying-type, such as Pidgey or Spearow are dual Normal/Flying types.

Also, those evolutions are probably fake, save for the Grass and Water starters' first evolutions, which were leaked in the past. There was an interview released last night talking about the new starters and their evolutions, where the Water starter's final evolution is described as using its shell as a samurai sword. That interview can be found here.

In all honesty, don't trust a word that Serebii says, and just wait for the official reveal.

I also received an email from Play-Asia, the company that I preordered the Japanese version of Pokemon Black/White from:

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Originally Posted by Play-Asia

This is an important update regarding your Pokemon Black / White Japanese
Version pre-order.

According to the official website, Pokemon Black / White include DSi
enhanced features and we know from our experience that some other games
sporting DSi Enhance functions are region locked on DSi systems. However,
there is no firm rule on it.

Please understand that we are not able to accept returns due to region
lock issues. We are sending you this email to keep you informed and to ask
you to make a decision based on this information.

First off, if you have a Nintendo DS or DS Lite Console from any region
then there should be no problem

However, if you have a Non-Japanese DSi / DSi XL console then the title
might not work at all on your console or the DSi Enhanced features might
not work. Please keep in mind, in worst case, you will have a situation
where you cannot play the game you bought.

Please make sure that you either have a Nintendo DS / Nintendo DS Lite
- or -
a JAPANESE DSi / DSi LL to ensure that you can play the game.

More info on this matter has been compiled here
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-00-3-dsienhanced.html

If you are currently in possession of a Non-Japanese Nintendo DSi or
Nintendo DSi XL and you want to play this title, we recommend to check our
selection of Nintendo DSi & DSi LL models here (only those marked Japanese
will play the game 100%)
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-14-71-170-49-en.html

We need to stress the fact that the game might work perfectly on
Non-Japanese DSi's, then this email would not be necessary, but it just is
a high risk to take. We simply don't know if the game will work or not. We
received conflicting statements from all our vendors.

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The feature they speak of is probably the video chat, and if thats the case then that doesn't really make sense. Think of it this way: Japanese gets the games first, then the US, followed by Europe and the rest of the world (supposedly) Japan makes D/P/Pl and HG/SS. They realize most of their features are Japanese only until the other countries receive the game. Before they release the games to the west, they add in our alphabet so the games can communicate between each other. Likewise, the European and American versions have japanese characters in them so they can communicate. This is why we can connect to the Japanese and have no issue. Black/White has the video chat, so it shouldn't be that different at all.

But, if someone who is Japanese wants to speak to an American, or European (or anyone really) that cannot actually communicate with them, then what is the point of speaking to them? That might be their reasoning to "region lock" the game so that doesn't actually happen.

Either way, I don't have an actual problem with it, considering I have two DSi's (one of them is a japanese dsi, got it when they first came out in japan, and then an American DSi XL) and if the American one cannot play it, then Ill just use my Japanese one instead.

I am disappointed by all the "Legendary" pokemon. They lose their value as being rare when anyone can have one. Hell, I plan on buying a DS/Pokemon White/Action Replay anyway, so it won't be hard to catch all the LEGENDARY OMG Pokemon.

As for the starter evolutions.... I happen to think grass pokemon are a very risky move, since grass pokemon are weak to so much. As cool as Smugleaf's final form is, I don't think it's a good bet in the long run.

I normally choose Squirtle as my starter pokemon, so I was inclined at first to go with the sea otter evolution chain.... but I don't know, something about it just seems off to me. Chances are I am going to roll with the firepig, at least to start out (since Rapidash will ALWAYS be the fire pokemon for me). So excited for this.

The following is an ass-load of new information.

Well, shit. The leaked evolutions appear to have been legitimate, judging by the latest CoroCoro release. The magazine includes a whole cast of new Pokemon.

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi...ee_Leaders.jpg

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi...oro_Coro_1.png

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi...oro_Coro_2.png

As well as official art of the starters' first evolutions:

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi.../2a/Janoby.png

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi...utachimaru.png

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi.../42/Chaobu.png

Awesome. Another Fire/Fighting type starter. :smith:

One thing I found interesting is the first Gym-Leaders, which can be seen in the first image. When you challenge the first gym, you'll face the leader who has a type-advantage over the starter you chose. Pretty cool.

Finally, FUCK YEAH, AFROBULL!

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi...3/Buffalon.png

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The following is an ass-load of new information.

Well, shit. The leaked evolutions appear to have been legitimate, judging by the latest CoroCoro release. The magazine includes a whole cast of new Pokemon.

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi...ee_Leaders.jpg

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi...oro_Coro_1.png

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi...oro_Coro_2.png

As well as official art of the starters' first evolutions:

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi.../2a/Janoby.png

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi...utachimaru.png

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi.../42/Chaobu.png

Awesome. Another Fire/Fighting type starter. :smith:

One thing I found interesting is the first Gym-Leaders, which can be seen in the first image. When you challenge the first gym, you'll face the leader who has a type-advantage over the starter you chose. Pretty cool.

Finally, FUCK YEAH, AFROBULL!

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi...3/Buffalon.png

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Loving this extremely

:iamafag:

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http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi...oro_Coro_1.png

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Right-hand side pokemon look cool. My only thing is.... a pokemon that is an Egyptian sarcophagus? Also, the steel badger thing at the bottom looks wicked.

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Finally, FUCK YEAH, AFROBULL!

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/medi...3/Buffalon.png

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YES, YES, YES. I am SO hoping that that thing evolves from Tauros. It would make my life complete, I've always thought Tauros was an under-appreciated pokemon. I assume it's a normal type?

It is a Normal-type, but not a Tauros evolution. They've repeatedly stated that there will be no Gen. V Pokemon that evolve from, or into, any Pokemon from previous generations.

It's been revealed that the new region is based on a Pokemon-styled New York City, much like the previous generations have been based on Pokemon versions of various Japanese locations. So since it's technically around the world from where we're usually accustomed, you'll find similar, yet unrelated species of Pokemon.

Edit: Also, that Steel-Badger is a Ground/Steel type, which means that, like Steelix, it's going to be weak to Ground, ITS OWN TYPE, as well as BOTH FIRE AND WATER ATTACKS.

WHAT... THE... FUCK...

Seriously. Typing needs to be redesigned.

Tauros evolves into afrobull... but only if you play on black version.

The right side's Pokemon with the Golden Armor looks freaking sick. I hope it has a balanced stat base (normally fast, normal defense, normal specdefense) and a higher attack (kind of like Scyther's stats, but more specdef). I also hope it's another Ground type. Another Ground and Dark type would be nice.