Recording police fuckups is now a punishable offense...in the eyes of fucktard cops

Freelancer, you're ridiculous. I can't even find the words to explain how much so. All I can say is that I'm very, very glad you don't live in my country. One less government/law enforcement apologist in the voter pool, the better. I'm not sure how it works in Canada (I kind of doubt you do either), but here, a cop has no right to order you where to stand on your own private property for no justifiable reason. And no, "I fear for my safety" was not a just reason, it was complete bullshit. She obviously was not behaving in a threatening manner.

It blows my mind why anyone would even attempt to defend that, unless you're just an unabashed fan of authoritarianism. The woman got arrested for standing in her own yard, for fuck's sake. Think about what you're defending here. Yeah, she disobeyed an officer's order. He had no authority whatsoever to give her that order, though, so that one and only argument you have falls flat on its face.

When have I ever stated that an officer can make up laws as they go along? All I've been saying is that I'm pretty sure that there's a law that requires citizens to obey orders given by Police when they're conducting official business, and that if you don't your location is irrelevant. You're telling me that you can sit on your porch and point a loaded firearm at a Police officer and just laugh it off when he tells you to put it down and that you're under arrest. I'd love to see some place where ANY law enforcement officer would let that fly, regardless of the laws. As a matter of fact, I'd love to see some place where ANYONE that was legally armed themselves would let that fly even if they weren't law enforcement officers.

I'm also 100% certain that laws and regulations are given leeway in situational circumstances. For example, if an officer feels unsafe. I don't disagree that this instance in particular called for arresting the girl filming, but even if the cop did just make up some BS about feeling unsafe so he could stop her from filming... That's one cop, out of hundreds of thousands of cops who generally do their jobs well and people don't have a problem with. Hell he could of been having a bad day, you guys are making this out to be the end of the world because some cops don't like being filmed for whatever reason.

Open your eyes and look at the big picture please. Stop focusing on the bad apples in the bunch and try to look at the whole, then note how the whole is trying their best to weed out the bad apples. Please stop being so stereotypical against Police officers, they're not all bad.

In regards to the Tennessee officers stealing money, the idea behind seizing large amounts of money makes sense so long as it's returned afterwards if nothing illegal can be linked to it. What their doing IS literally highway robbery, especially since you need to take (most likely costly) legal action to have it returned.


=sw=warlord has received an infraction for Flaming, so will anyone else in this thread who decides that it's a fun idea to blatantly disregard forum rules. There's nothing wrong with stating your option, or your reasoning behind it. There's no reason to insult other forum members for doing so.

New post for my personal opinions:

My personal opinions about law enforcement (and also military personal) is that they should be able to do anything within reason to protect themselves. Every law enforcement and military member that does their job to the best of their abilities has my utmost respect. Everyone makes mistakes, but there are also people in law enforcement and the military that DON'T have their duties at heart. I despise those people in these agencies that abuse their power, there are many videos and articles I could post in here detailing such things, but that's not exactly relevant to the topic.

That said, I think people in law enforcement and military agencies should be able to do whatever they deem appropriate to secure their personal safety in any official business they're conducting. If you disagree with me, that's your right and you're able to do so. However if you do disagree with me, then my opinion of you on the subject makes me think you don't give a shit about these people's personal safety and that you'd much rather they put themselves into needlessly dangerous situations just to satisfy your "rights".

Human safety > your precious rights.

If you want to respond to this post directly, quote "New post for my personal opinions" or something and I'll move it to its own thread so this one can get back to talking about filming Police.

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Originally Posted by Freelancer

When have I ever stated that an officer can make up laws as they go along? All I've been saying is that I'm pretty sure that there's a law that requires citizens to obey orders given by Police when they're conducting official business, and that if you don't your location is irrelevant.

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Please point me to the legislation which grants police officers the authority to order people to do whatever they feel like for no justifiable reason when said people are on their own property.

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Originally Posted by Freelancer

You're telling me that you can sit on your porch and point a loaded firearm at a Police officer and just laugh it off when he tells you to put it down and that you're under arrest. I'd love to see some place where ANY law enforcement officer would let that fly, regardless of the laws. As a matter of fact, I'd love to see some place where ANYONE that was legally armed themselves would let that fly even if they weren't law enforcement officers.

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What the fuck does that have to do with ANYTHING in this thread? We're talking about a woman standing in her yard with a camera, and you're creating a hypothetical about pointing a loaded gun at a cop? What the fuck? On what planet does that pass for a rational or relevant argument?

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Originally Posted by Freelancer

I don't disagree that this instance in particular called for arresting the girl filming, but even if the cop did just make up some BS about feeling unsafe so he could stop her from filming... That's one cop, out of hundreds of thousands of cops who generally do their jobs well and people don't have a problem with. Hell he could of been having a bad day,

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Are we talking about hundreds of thousands of cops here? No, we're talking about the cops in these videos. The cops in these videos are shitty cops who deserve to be reprimanded.

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Originally Posted by Freelancer

you guys are making this out to be the end of the world because some cops don't like being filmed for whatever reason.

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No, we're not. Honestly, I find blind apologists like yourself to be nearly as disheartening as the acts in these videos themselves. People with your mindset effectively perpetuate this crap, just like a mother who doesn't discipline her child is perpetuating the child's misbehavior.

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Originally Posted by Freelancer

Open your eyes and look at the big picture please. Stop focusing on the bad apples in the bunch and try to look at the whole, then note how the whole is trying their best to weed out the bad apples. Please stop being so stereotypical against Police officers, they're not all bad.

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Once again, who here is talking about "all" police officers?

you DO realize you cant have freedom or safety without rights bro.... dont you?

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Originally Posted by Freelancer

Open your eyes and look at the big picture please. Stop focusing on the bad apples in the bunch and try to look at the whole, then note how the whole is trying their best to weed out the bad apples. Please stop being so stereotypical against Police officers, they're not all bad.

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Um, the big picture IS about these bad apples. Furthermore, "good" apples can't weed out "bad" apples if the corruption is seeded in the core, ie, the chain of command (shit rolls downhill). How about you open your eyes and stop counting sheep. Go ahead and look at what you think the "big picture" is when you get a lump on your balls. Just because you may appear to be healthy overall, doesn't mean trouble is brewing down under.

Bad apples in police (military is an entirely different subject and shouldn't be discussed in this thread) NEED to be highlighted, because they NEED to be addressed. If we don't focus on the "bad apples" then they'll continue to exist and infect the rest of the bunch. Just as cops enforce laws to say "hey, this won't be allowed/tolerated", there needs to be a checks and balance system for police which does the exact same thing for them. That system is the American people (not Canadians, hth). However, politicians seem to work against that part of the system...

Having a badge doesn't give you free rein. It doesn't make you a superior. It doesn't make you 'above the law'. It gives you the privilege to enforce the law, to the extent of federal (eg, the constitution) and state law and nothing else. The law drives police, not their "feelings" or what they deem appropriate.

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Originally Posted by Freelancer

New post for my personal opinions:

Human safety > your precious rights.

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"Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither"

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Originally Posted by king_nothing_

Please point me to the legislation which grants police officers the authority to order people to do whatever they feel like for no justifiable reason when said people are on their own property.

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No such legislation exists.

Legislation does exist for compliance with an officers orders when he's acting on official business though. How else would they arrest people at all? You make it sound like when an officer says "you're under arrest" you can just nope.avi and walk away. Although the officer likely said he was feeling unsafe in the video just to get her to stop filming, and then arrested her on some trumped up charge afterwards. However once he expressed that to her and she ignored him she was being a cunt, generally when some politely asks you to stop doing something because it's making you feel unsafe you do it. I don't care if you're in a uniform or not, it's common curtsey. If I encountered a person recording me like that, even from public property and asked them to stop and they completely ignored me with some BS attitude like that chick I would likely call the cops on her. Because guess what, you can't film me without my express permission.

Speaking of which, doesn't this same thing apply to Police? If you're filming a single officer and they ask you to stop, they have rights as well don't they? I don't see how it's any different than filming some other random citizen.

As joining the local Police force is one of my potential career choices that I'm pursuing I'll be sure to revisit this thread when I have more solid evidence of what happens locally. Until someone can point out what the laws are regarding an officer giving orders to someone to back away because they feel unsafe, then I'm of the opinion that they're more than entitled.

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Originally Posted by king_nothing_

What the fuck does that have to do with ANYTHING in this thread? We're talking about a woman standing in her yard with a camera, and you're creating a hypothetical about pointing a loaded gun at a cop? What the fuck? On what planet does that pass for a rational or relevant argument?

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I don't see a difference, that girl has now made that cop and his friends out to be baddies. The fact of the matter is that one of them expressed concern for his safetly (no matter how BS that might be), and it was completely ignored by some cunt with a pretentious attitude.

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Originally Posted by king_nothing_

Are we talking about hundreds of thousands of cops here? No, we're talking about the cops in these videos. The cops in these videos are shitty cops who deserve to be reprimanded.

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Were there? Do you know what the cop in question was feeling at the time? No? Then stop talking, you're not god, you don't know what was happening or running through their minds.

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Originally Posted by king_nothing_

No, we're not. Honestly, I find blind apologists like yourself to be nearly as disheartening as the acts in these videos themselves. People with your mindset effectively perpetuate this crap, just like a mother who doesn't discipline her child is perpetuating the child's misbehavior.

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I'm not saying Police shouldn't have limits on what they can and can't do. I'm just saying that if one of them legitimately express concern for their safety or feel that they're being threatened that they can use whatever force they deem necessary to defend themselves, just like any other human being.

If that force is deemed excessive in the future after sufficient evidence is proven in an official capacity (not by some people on the internet) then disciplinary action should be taken.

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Originally Posted by Freelancer

Legislation does exist for compliance with an officers orders when he's acting on official business though.

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Please point me to the legislation which requires a citizen to comply with a police officer's order regardless of whether or not the order is lawful or unlawful.

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Originally Posted by Freelancer

How else would they arrest people at all?

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Uh, by following the law?

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Originally Posted by Freelancer

Although the officer likely said he was feeling unsafe in the video just to get her to stop filming, and then arrested her on some trumped up charge afterwards. However once he expressed that to her and she ignored him she was being a cunt, generally when some politely asks you to stop doing something because it's making you feel unsafe you do it. I don't care if you're in a uniform or not, it's common curtsey.

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lol. Common courtesy? That's completely irrelevant. She can be discourteous on her own property if she wants to. That's her right. She wasn't doing anything wrong, wasn't posing any threat whatsoever, and wasn't interfering with their procedure.

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Originally Posted by Freelancer

If I encountered a person recording me like that, even from public property and asked them to stop and they completely ignored me with some BS attitude like that chick I would likely call the cops on her. Because guess what, you can't film me without my express permission.

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Sorry, but this is completely false. They were on a public street. There is no expectation of privacy.

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Originally Posted by Freelancer

Speaking of which, doesn't this same thing apply to Police? If you're filming a single officer and they ask you to stop, they have rights as well don't they? I don't see how it's any different than filming some other random citizen.

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Also wrong. Any other falsities you'd like to pull out of your ass?

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Originally Posted by Freelancer

I don't see a difference,

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You don't see the difference between someone standing in their yard with a camera and someone standing in their yard pointing a gun at a cop? You don't see the difference there? lol?

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Originally Posted by Freelancer

that girl has now made that cop and his friends out to be baddies.

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Bullshit. She didn't "make them out" to be anything. They made themselves out to be baddies, or at least the one who arrested her did. He is definitely a baddie, and it's definitely of his own making.

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Originally Posted by Freelancer

The fact of the matter is that one of them expressed concern for his safetly (no matter how BS that might be), and it was completely ignored by some cunt with a pretentious attitude.

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lol. So the fact that his "reasoning" was complete bullshit is immaterial in your eyes? This just keeps getting more and more ridiculous. Anyone with half a brain who watches that video can see that she was posing no threat whatsoever to them. Lying to try to justify an arrest doesn't exactly work when the entire thing is captured on video.

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Originally Posted by Freelancer

Do you know what the cop in question was feeling at the time? No? Then stop talking, you're not god, you don't know what was happening or running through their minds.

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What he was feeling or thinking isn't relevant; what's relevant are his actions, which were completely wrong. That woman posed no reasonable threat to them.

Here's my guess of what was going through his mind, though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIVHNylH1Mk

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Originally Posted by Freelancer

I'm not saying Police shouldn't have limits on what they can and can't do. I'm just saying that if one of them legitimately express concern for their safety or feel that they're being threatened that they can use whatever force they deem necessary to defend themselves, just like any other human being.

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Uh, it wasn't a legitimate expression of concern for their safety. We already went over that.

Protip: Joining the Canadian Bacon Squad won't give you any more credibility than you already have.

He didn't say he didn't want her filming him.
He didn't say her life may be in danger for being out there, instead of inside.

This is what she was charged with:

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Emily Good was charged with obstructing governmental administration. Officers say she refused the police officer's order to leave her front yard and go inside.

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She tells I-Team 10 she has already filed a motion to have the charge thrown out. “Basically the grounds for the motion to dismiss are that her actions did not rise to the level of a crime. It doesn't fit the statutory elements of obstructing governmental administration."

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She knew the man. That's why she was recording it. She wasn't there just to be there. She was documenting a frisk of someone she knew.

e: As for the cop's "privacy", he was on a public street. There's no way he could arrest her for violating some expectation of privacy because of that, so he does this instead.

Hey Korn ye oldie Commie, we need you here occupying railroads against atomic waste transports :v:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4130/...42f4c46ca0.jpg

lot of lancers there as well...f the police

Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana


that's all i gotta say

OT: They (the UN maybe) need to build a launch site so hazard material which can't be recycled, can just be shot out into space and out of our backyard...make Jupiter our new trash can or something.

and in a 1000 years ppl are going to complain we shot our trash cans at Jupiter :v:

they just have to shoot it at the sun...sun is going to be like: the fuck is this...oh *nom nom*

Would it be possible to recycle Nuclear waste? Just always wondered.

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Originally Posted by Kornman00

OT: They (the UN maybe) need to build a launch site so hazard material which can't be recycled, can just be shot out into space and out of our backyard...make Jupiter our new trash can or something.

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That's a terrible idea, we should just switch to technologies that don't generate it in the first place :l

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Originally Posted by Patrickssj6

sun is going to be like: the fuck is this...oh *nom nom*

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I'm pretty sure anything we were to launch at the sun would burn up way before it ever actually got near the sun. So yeah we should just do this.

Uh, you do realize it just changes to a different form after burning up, it doesn't actually get destroyed :l

And somehow I don't think the sun absorbing nuclear waste is going to be any better an alternative.

Launch it all into some other sun then.

Great way to make friends with our galactic neighbors!

Just launch it randomly into space. Or just do FreeLancer's idea and send it to Alpha Centari B.

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Originally Posted by TVTyrant

Just launch it randomly into space. Or just do FreeLancer's idea and send it to Alpha Centari B.

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Mankind is probably extinct before it even arrives :P

Heh, when Alien's are about to launch their assault on Earth, guess how we beat em? Their star goes fucking supernova because 2000 years earlier we launched 1 Trillion+ Radioactive Cans of garbage at it. WHO'S SUPERIOR NOW BITCH?

On the subject of cops..

Last night I was at a local pond fishing with my buddy, his friend, and his friend's girlfriend. After about 2 hours his friend and his friend's girlfriend left leaving me with just my buddy. I go up to the truck and grab a bottle of poweraid and i'm sitting there drinking it and fishing with my buddy. 3 hours later or so we decided we should be leaving. Just then my mom calls me so I answer my phone and I put the cap on my poweraid and set it down next to me. On the phone for a little bit and I get up, grab my pole, and walk back to his truck. I sit down in the truck and my buddy does the same. We go to leave when we hear a siren behind us.. It's a game warden. He walks up to us, introduces himself and talks to us for a little bit. We hand him our fishing licenses and he's still chatting, asking how we did and what not. Then he looks at me and was like "So how was that poweraid?"

Me: "Uh.. good I guess?"
Him: "Little expensive don't ya think?"
Me: "Like a dollar at most, not that bad."
Him: "Nah, little bit more than that. Where is it anyways?"
Me: *Looks around* "Oh crap, must of left it down there my bad. I'll go grab it."
Him: *Lifts up the bottle* "You mean this right here?"
Me: "Oh thanks sir"
Him: "Not so fast. You know what this is? This is excessive littering."
Me: "..excuse me?"
Him: "I'm gonna have to write you a ticket. Hope your poweraid was worth it. Thanks for offering to get it though"

And I got fined $500 for littering. What. The. Fuck. It was an honest mistake, I forgot the damn thing. I didn't throw it in the bushes, I didn't toss it in the water, it was sitting upwards on the path closed and I honestly forgot it. That's fucking excessive. No warning, no nothing. What the shit...

I have the option to take it to court and fight it, but I risk getting higher fines and 60 days in jail.. for poweraid.

His dept is probably poor and/or he has a quota to fill. What a jackass, sorry to hear to man :/, that's being an "excessive dick".

e: Actually, how is a single bottle "excessive"? I'd fucking fight that, there's no way that can be considered excessive. Multiple objects, yes, but a single fucking bottle, I don't think so scooter.

The only thing I'm afraid of though is risking that 60 days in jail. If he was that quick to give me that big of a fine over something small, I don't know if I wanna take the risk of getting completely raped in court.

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how is a single bottle "excessive"? I'd fucking fight that, there's no way that can be considered excessive. Multiple objects, yes, but a single fucking bottle, I don't think so scooter.

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I'd fight that, it wasn't excessive at all.

Wardens are VERY finicky though, at least around here. They'll watch you with binoculars from afar and document everything you do so they can try and ding you for something little. We got a small fine for public urinating once when hunting because we pulled off the road to take a piss ha. We were debating on trying to fight it by trying to say he was invading our privacy because he was watching us pee or something. Decided the $20 fine or whatever wasn't worth it.

That was bullshit. It was one item, you were there and admitted you forgot it, no warning, and he probably was trying to match a shit quota. That's the kind of police work that makes me bang my head against the wall. What a load of shit.

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Originally Posted by PlasbianX

The only thing I'm afraid of though is risking that 60 days in jail. If he was that quick to give me that big of a fine over something small, I don't know if I wanna take the risk of getting completely raped in court.

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It's called bullying. The big kid in the play ground will ask you for your lunch money, then say you can go tell the teacher, but he'll beat you up. Now the kid is a thief and threatening assault. This cop-wanna-be is just being a bully, I don't see how any judge would/could sentence you to 60 days in jail for fighting this. I'd rather spend 500$ on legal counsel to win my case against this fuck face than pony up 500$ to the state.

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Originally Posted by Freelancer

I'd fight that, it wasn't excessive at all.

Wardens are VERY finicky though, at least around here. They'll watch you with binoculars from afar and document everything you do so they can try and ding you for something little. We got a small fine for public urinating once when hunting because we pulled off the road to take a piss ha. We were debating on trying to fight it by trying to say he was invading our privacy because he was watching us pee or something. Decided the $20 fine or whatever wasn't worth it.

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They do that here. They sit in the swamps around here in ghillie suits with night vision goggles and they watch you for hours and hours hoping they can find one thing to get you on. The thing is, where we were positioned near the lake, the only possible place he could of been hiding to watch us would of been directly behind us. So I'm surprised he didn't get me for public urination either because i definitely pulled it out and pissed in his general direction at least once. It's just every time i've ever run into a game warden while out fishing, they've always been cool, just wanted to make sure I had my license, wanted to know if I got anything decent, and to make sure I wasn't smoking any pot. (it's actually pretty bad around here; lot's of people go to the swamps to smoke)

This guy though.. was just an absolute dick.

ODFW people and State Troopers are generally very nice about things. I once forgot my license in my other jacket and the guy just winked and said "Well be sure to have it next time" and went back into his car. You guys must live in overpopulated areas full of dickweeds or something.

fight it, half the time they never even show up to court.