Then devs can start programming their games with OpenGL, and we can all finally ditch Windows for everything! :D:D:D:D:D:D
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Then devs can start programming their games with OpenGL, and we can all finally ditch Windows for everything! :D:D:D:D:D:D
Now if only the linux distro's could all agree on a sound platform.
That or apple starts selling osx licenses.
Was mostly sarcasm. It's not in the nature of the Linux community to settle on one platform.
Yeah, I saw the comment about not using the Windows key and was like "wat."Quote:
Originally Posted by Limited
Lol, I can't believe you used that. Wait, yes I can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
No, no, no, no, no, no, n- oh, that was sarcasm? Okay, nvm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
I had to...
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1455347/windows8is.PNG
Wow...I had to try that for myself to be sure but gotte damn that is some serious foul play.
I just tried the same thing on Yahoo, and it's most similar to Google.
This is absolutely unbelievable. Talk about search manipulation...
Fuck Microsoft
or maybe microsoft fanboys all use bing and they really are searching for that
:p
Fuck google as well. Any manipulation of results like that is bad, and Google has a long long history of doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcap
This is one bullshit article: Warming to Windows 8: Why Metro haters will learn to like it
That guy is old, he actually uses desktop icons and admitted to it. Basically he's an experienced IT guy that has now regressed to the point of wanting over-simplified everything to make his job easier.
That or he was paid-off to go nice on Metro.
I don't like considering metro simple. IMO it's the total opposite. Its appearance is simple, but its not easy to use at all.
That guy is a fucking moron...especially since he considers metro on a SERVER to be an improvement. What a lunatic.
Having metro on Windows server 8 is so fucking stupid.
Microsoft posted this on their Windows 8 blog earlier today. They took it down shortly after. Not sure why.
This post goes into the details around the multi-monitor experience for Windows 8. From the very first public release and demonstrations of Windows 8 we have shown improvements over Windows 7 for multi-monitor scenarios and have shown how we support new Metro style apps within a multi-monitor environment. We have continued to develop and refine features for multiple monitors and have significantly enhanced the experience as we move to our next milestone, the Release Preview. This post provides a bit of a preview of work that was not yet complete at the Consumer Preview, and serves as a reminder that the Developer Preview and Consumer Preview were works in progress. Mark Yalovsky, a lead program manager on our User Experience team, authored this post.Connecting multiple monitors to a PC is one of the easiest ways to enhance your Windows experience. Plug in a second monitor and you instantly double your working surface. I've had a multi-monitor setup for the past 10 years; once you start using multiple monitors, you’ll never want to go back to your old setup. A multi-monitor setup allows you to be more productive by having more windows across multiple screens. We’re very excited about the ease at which tablets in Windows 8 will be able to support large screen and high resolution monitors (often through HDMI connectors), as this opens up a broad range of exciting new scenarios.
--Steven
When we embarked on planning Windows 8, enhancing multi-monitor functionality was an important area to improve. A multiple monitor setup is certainly more common today than they used to be, and many technical professionals (developers, graphics professionals, architects, etc.) have started using it. Today, support for multiple monitors is standard on virtually all PC hardware, and monitor prices are at an all-time low (as of writing this post, you can purchase a 21” LED display in the $140 USD range). As a result, we continue to see increased adoption of multi-monitor configurations, both by enthusiasts and technical professionals.
Data collected through the Windows Feedback Program indicates that approximately 14% of desktop PCs and approximately 5% of laptop PCs have run with multiple monitors.* It is important to note that this particular opt-in data set is enthusiast-leaning so represents the high end of usage (relative to previously shared measures that look at the entire universe of PCs), but we thought we would share this data set to reinforce another data source.
Number of
monitorsDesktop PC Laptop PC 1 85.32% 95.64% 2 13.48% 4.36% 3 0.85% 0.00% 4 0.34% 0.00%
We recognize that a key value of using multiple monitors lies in the desire to increase multitasking. This is especially true of those of you who spend time arranging your desktop windows to maximize the available real estate across multiple displays. Speaking firsthand, most developers and testers at Microsoft have a multi-monitor setup in their offices, walking through the hallways one sees a wide range of monitor configurations from 2 to 4 or more monitors among the engineering team. This affords two important scenarios. First, developers can use a tool like Visual Studio on one screen and have the running/debugged program on another, or they can add an additional monitor and reserve it for side tasks such as email or web browsing.
With that in mind, we set out to achieve the following goals for those using multiple monitors with Windows 8:
- Make the desktop a more personal experience. Perhaps the most personalized feature on the desktop is the ability to customize the desktop background. We set out to make this a great experience on multiple monitors too.
- Improve the efficiency of accessing apps across monitors. In Windows 7, the top request from people using multiple monitors was to improve the taskbar efficiency.
- Improve the efficiency of accessing system UI. In Windows 7, you could only access the Start menu on one monitor. With the introduction in Windows 8 of new UI that puts controls at the edges of the screen, we wanted to make sure that it’s still easy to access Start, the charms, the clock, and your recently used apps from every monitor.
- Allow side-by-side Metro style and desktop apps. You can launch or move a Metro style app to any monitor, side-by-side with desktop apps on another screen.
Examples of multi-monitor configurations in Microsoft offices
Multi-monitor desktop background personalization
Customizing the desktop background is a very popular feature in Windows 7. In fact, telemetry shows that more than 75% of users customized the desktop background. A limitation in Windows 7 is that in a multi-monitor configuration, you can only select a single background image that is duplicated across your monitors. Not only is this limited from a customization perspective (how many people really want to look at the same picture twice?), but it also looks bad if your monitors have significantly different resolution or are different orientations (portrait vs. landscape).
We know that some of you use some pretty advanced third-party tools for sophisticated background image management. In Windows 8, we made the background customization feature customizable on each monitor you use, and for mainstream customers, we’ve provided solutions to the common desktop personalization problems encountered with Windows 7:
- Show a different desktop background on each monitor. When selecting a personalization theme, Windows 8 automatically puts a different desktop background on each monitor. You can even set a slide show to cycle through pictures across all monitors, or pick specific background pictures for each monitor.
Different backgrounds on each monitor
Option to pick different backgrounds on each monitor
- Multi-monitor slide show. It is very typical for people to have a multi-monitor setup that consists of different sized and/or oriented monitors. And of course, not all photos look great in both portrait and landscape or on all screen sizes and resolutions. To address this, we’ve added logic to the slide show code that selects the best suited images for each monitor.
Slideshow with image selection that matches monitor orientation
- Span desktop background across all monitors. You can now span a single panoramic picture across multiple monitors. We are also including a new panoramic theme in the personalization options for Windows 8.
Span an image across all monitors
Option to span image across all monitors, including panoramic pictures
Multi-monitor taskbar
Of course the main reason most people use multi-monitor configurations is to be more productive. With the extra screen real estate you are able to see more windows up at the same time. The flip side to having more windows visible is that window management can become more challenging. In the desktop, the taskbar is the primary place for managing windows. As some of you pointed out to us in our Windows 7 blogs, lack of multi-monitor support for the taskbar is a gap. This can be summed up by one comment from the e7 blog:@AlexJerebtsov, “The lack of multi-monitor [Taskbar] support is just about a crime”.What’s interesting about adding multi-monitor support to the taskbar is that even among a relatively small group of users, there are several opinions as to what the ”right” design should be. As you can imagine, this is quite common in designing a new version of Windows—there are many points of view on how even relatively small things should be implemented. These are some observations from a variety of hands-on research methods:
- People tend to approach window management in either an organized or an ad-hoc fashion. People who manage windows in an ad-hoc fashion frequently move windows between monitors as their workflow requires, and do not keep track of what monitor a window is on. People that manage windows in a more organized fashion tend to designate specific monitors for specific apps and tasks (for example, email always on the left, the browser always on the right). There is not always a hard line between these two working styles and most people move windows in an ad-hoc fashion from time to time.
- Improved efficiency was consistently cited as a goal for the taskbar. Nearly all users conveyed the desire for improved taskbar efficiency. When we observed people using multiple monitors in their work, we noticed that the simple act of switching windows would sometimes require them to turn their heads, swivel in their seats, and reposition their mouse cursor as they jumped from a secondary monitor to the main taskbar monitor and all the way back again. Of course we also heard this articulated in term of mouse-efficiency. That is, we want to reduce the distance that you need to move the mouse to find and switch to a window on the taskbar.
- It is common for people to have a primary monitor. Many people have one monitor that they run most of their apps on, with a smaller secondary monitor that has a few windows open for peripheral tasks (for example, managing a playlist, sending IMs, playing a video). This is particularly true for users who have kept their old monitor on-hand after upgrading to a newer, bigger, higher-resolution monitor. Ad hoc users still move windows freely between monitors, but tend to prefer one over the other for the tasks that they are currently focusing on, partly because it is comfortable to set up a chair, keyboard, and mouse to face one monitor directly.
- Taskbar real estate is generally not a problem. When we designed the taskbar we were fairly confident that most people would find the default setting sufficient even with customization easy to find. Hands-on research confirms the majority of users keep the default setting where windows are grouped by app on the taskbar. Telemetry that looked at hundreds of millions of sessions further confirmed that only 6% of users ungroup taskbar buttons.
Multi-monitor taskbar options
Based on our field and lab observations we understood that people employ different window management techniques (always ad-hoc, always organized, mixed). For this reason, we chose to provide several multi-monitor taskbar options, so that advanced users with multiple monitors can still fine-tune their desktop experience.
Windows 8 taskbar properties
- Show taskbar buttons on the taskbar where the window is open. This is the most obvious option that comes to mind when thinking of a multi-monitor taskbar. In this configuration, each monitor’s taskbar contains icons for only the windows that are on that monitor. The advantage of this option is that it is simple and predictable. This tested well with people who were very organized in their placement of windows, or who had dedicated monitors for specific tasks. On the other hand, ad-hoc users found this design to be inefficient, as they needed to remember what monitor a particular window was on.
App buttons on the taskbar where the window is open
- Show taskbar buttons on main taskbar and taskbar where window is open. In this configuration, the main monitor has a special taskbar that contains all the windows across all monitors. All the other monitors have unique taskbars, as with the first option described above. This option offers some of the cleanliness of the taskbar where the window is open model, but also offers a consistent and efficient way to get to any window via the master taskbar. People who think in terms of a primary monitor will probably prefer this option.
App buttons on main taskbar and where window is open
- Show taskbar buttons on all taskbars (default). In this configuration, all windows are available on all taskbars. This configuration is designed for maximum mouse efficiency because you can always activate any window from any monitor. Of all the options, this works the best for ad-hoc windows management, as there is no need to keep track of where windows are located. While some users indicated a preference for one of the other options, this was the only option that was efficient for the vast majority of users, which is why this is the default setting.
App buttons on all taskbars (default option)
Some changes for the Release Preview
For those of you who have used the Consumer Preview on multiple monitors, you’ll notice that Start, the charms, and the clock are only shown on a single monitor. The feedback has been vocal and clear on this and of course, given the prevalence of multi-monitor setups even in our own hallways, we understood that this feature simply wasn’t complete. Looking forward, here’s a sneak peak at some of the improvements we’re making to multi-monitor usage for the Release Preview.
No broken corners and edges
On the Consumer Preview in a multi-monitor setup, it is difficult to find the Start screen and other UI that is invoked from the corners with a mouse, since those activation areas are only available on a single monitor. In the upcoming Release Preview, we are making all the corners and edges alive on all monitors. You can now bring up Start, the charms, and app switching from the corners of any monitor. Want Start on monitor 1? Just go to the bottom-left corner on that monitor. Want it on monitor 2? Go to the bottom-left corner on monitor 2. This not only improves discoverability, it also improves mouse efficiency and multitasking. To launch or move an app to a specific monitor, bring up Start on that monitor and launch the app, or switch to the app using the app switcher at the left edge.
You can launch Start on any monitor:
You can switch back to recently used apps from any monitor:
*** And you can bring up the charms on any monitor:
*
Launch and move Metro style apps to any monitor
There are several ways that you can launch and move an app:
- Start. You can bring up Start on any monitor by moving your mouse to the bottom-left corner, or via the Start charm that you can invoke from the top and bottom-right corners of any monitor. Pressing the Windows key launches Start on the last monitor where Start or a Metro style app appeared.
- Switch back to an app from any monitor. You can switch back to an app on any monitor by moving your mouse to the top-left corner. Clicking the app thumbnail switches you back to the app on that monitor.
- Keyboard shortcuts. We are introducing new keyboard shortcuts that build on the shortcuts from Windows 7. Win+Pg Up or Win+Pg Dn moves Metro style apps across monitors. Win+Arrow and Win+Shift+Arrow continue to work on desktop apps as they did in Windows 7, by snapping and moving desktop windows across monitors.
- Drag and drop. Using the mouse, you can now drag and drop Metro Style apps across monitors. Drag and drop works for both full screen and snapped apps.
Improved mouse targeting on the shared edge
A multi-monitor setup brings the major benefit of more real estate, but it also lacks the Fitts' Law benefits of hard edges and corners across displays. While it’s extremely easy to trigger corner UI such as Start, charms, or recently used apps on a single monitor, it isn’t uncommon to overshoot the mouse when the corner appears on a shared edge on a multi-monitor configuration.
With multiple monitors in fact, targeting the shared edge can be downright difficult. Move a few pixels too far and your cursor is suddenly on the wrong monitor. This has been a common challenge in previous versions of Windows as well, like when you’re trying to hit the close button or scroll bars on a maximized window on a shared edge. Many work around this by remembering to move the mouse slowly as it approaches a shared edge or by avoiding window layouts that bump up against those edges. We commonly observe this behavior in our own usage and in field studies.
In the Release Preview, we’re introducing an improved model for shared edges that makes it easier to target UI along a shared edge.
Since corners are even more important for Windows 8, we’ve created real corners along the shared edges to mimic the Fitts’ Law advantages of a single monitor. The red corners in the diagram below demonstrate how these corners can help guide your mouse.
We’ve designed the corners to provide help when you need it and to get out of the way when you don’t. The protruding corner target is 6 pixels in height, which means that it is only noticeable when you’re trying to target the corner of the screen. Also, we’ve designed the corner to only work for the monitor your cursor is on. For example, leaving monitor 2 for monitor 1 in the diagram below, the bottom corner in monitor 1 will not interfere as you move your mouse across the shared edge.
Shared corner does not block cross monitor navigation
The shared corner isn’t just an improvement for the new Windows 8 UI, but it also makes it easier to target controls on the desktop like Close and Show desktop. As a result, targeting shared corners is fast and fluid. First-hand experience is a must with this design, as you will notice this improvement right away when using the new Release Preview.
More to come
We have lots of ideas for how we could do even more with Metro style apps on multiple monitors. Our goal for Windows 8 is to deliver a great Metro style app experience alongside desktop apps, improving multitasking efficiency and making it easy to access the controls you need along the edges of every screen. We wanted to make sure your desktop experience was even more efficient, with new functionality such as the spanning taskbar, and we wanted you to also have access to Metro style apps while you’re also using the desktop. As we see new apps developed, and as we see how developers might want to take advantage of multi-monitor configurations in new ways with immersive and full screen apps, we will of course enhance this experience (and APIs) even further.
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We hope that you enjoy these new multi-monitor features. Thank you for all of your feedback – it has certainly helped us to improve Windows 8 as we moved from Developer Preview, to Consumer Preview, and soon, to the Release Preview.
--Mark
Is that supposed to make me want to use the OS? As if they couldn't patch half of that stuff into Windows 7.
What really bothers me is how they continue to have this idea in their heads that desktop users want metro. All of their "solutions" to the problems they created ignore the main problem. I DON'T FUCKING WANT HOT CORNERS. Hot corners are ONLY for using Metro apps. Why the FUCK are they being integrated into the desktop?
I guess that's what you expect when your development team leads have shit for brains.
what's aero
Should probably stock up on 10 or 12 years of Win7 keys now.
If windows doesn't improve again in the next decade then fuck it I'm going back to linux.
Good time to buy Apple stock~
I'd rather have them burn in Hell....oh wait they own that too don't they?Quote:
Originally Posted by jcap
If only there was better compatibility for games and general hardware drivers on linux distros. Then I would definitely switch.
Remember when Vista was bad and people said they would switch to Linux but didn't? Will you actually go back?Quote:
Originally Posted by JackalStomper
Linux is still not ready for the desktop :ohdear:
Well actually what happened is people bought Macs.
Don't worry though, Win8 wont run the battery on your desktop down. It's very power efficient.Quote:
Originally Posted by InnerGoat
Release preview is now out.
Microsoft says: "Fuck the start menu"
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=24831
Deliberately removed support for third party modifications so that people are forced to use their terrible new idea?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeph
Fuck them, my interest in windows 8 dropped from .1% to 0
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Originally Posted by InnerGoat
Seems to be working fine for me.
Come on microsoft even the gnome guys finally admitted the start menu is great why are you bailing on it now.
I like Ubuntu 12.04. I put it on my mom's laptop because she was always being pestered to update this and that using Windows 7. I was afraid she might break something soon so I gave her a safe linux environment to check her email lol.
So Linux automatically installs all updates without user interaction...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Amit
Windows can automatically download and install updates, could have just set up her settings correctly.
All the decent Linux desktop distros emulate the Windows GUI almost exactly. Yet Microsoft wants to ditch it for Metro.
Someone at Microsoft should really be sounding alarm bells.
Pff, I already know that. I'm talking about all the software for drivers and other shit I have to install. Ubuntu doesn't let apps pester you for updates like some programs do on Windows and OS X.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kornman00
Microsoft announces their vision of the ideal platform for windows 8
http://www.techpowerup.com/167910/Mi...r-Windows.html
:facepalm:
I actually suspect they are trying to kill off the PC as we know it.
UEFI was implemented on motherboards not only because it can do things that BIOS is currently unable to, but also because it can lock out operating systems. Apple has been using EFI for a long time now to do just that.
Now they make this Surface thing.
Before you know it, we'll have Windows boxes that meet a particular price/performance point. The Xbox will cease to exist, its function becoming superfluous with these fixed-hardware solutions.
What a nightmare.
welp, I thought it was pretty damn cool.
You shall burn with the rest!Quote:
Originally Posted by Timo
I actually like their tablet, I just don't fancy the possibility of hardware being completely controlled by the manufacturers. I like building computers.
http://www.modacity.net/forums/image...vatar18_47.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Timo
same
Now give me some details like battery life, user prefs, dev restrictions, etc
If it's going to be another US only thing like the Zune i'm going to be super mad (although i'll probably never end up getting one).
Needs more giving a fuck.
I heard they announced a W8 tablet yesterday?
too bad we already had this!!!!!
http://www.letsgodigital.org/images/...late-ep121.jpg
Like I said, needs more giving a fuck.
Much drama in the beginning about the secret press conference. The tablet didn't blew me away but the Zune did not either back then and now 6 years later it's still functioning every day.
I would never use a tablet anyway, I just don't have any need for one in every possible way.
Except for that one day where every Zune everywhere crashed. Mine still works perfectly too, btw.
I like Zune. It just has a crappy marketplace with a very limited selection and is a bit stale in the games department. Battery life is also very questionable for me at least.
Otherwise, I like it a lot. It's really cool to have a built in Radio that can pick up channels almost anywhere a car can too.
this is really telling.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcap
everyone has been doing it. there has been a steady move towards this sort of deal for a long time. youtube's layout/functionality changes, forced upon users. facebook's forced changes. now this. i don't know what the fucking goal is (or if there is one), does this shit actually appeal to the drooling, retarded masses or something? i can't even begin to imagine how the fuck i would use windows 8 for more than ten seconds without killing myself. it is so counterintuitive, and so dumbed down, it hurts.
i mean there's dumbed down, and then there's "so dumb that your more intelligent users physically cannot use it". fuck the world. i'm sticking with windows 7 forever, looks like.
ps tablets can get fucked and i neither want nor need one
I don't even understand how people can say that Windows 8 is "dumbed down." In my opinion, it's more confusing than anything else. Although the UI is simple in design, it is not simple to use. Removing all well-known UI items, hiding menus, throwing users back and forth between two separate UIs, and crippling multitasking doesn't make a computer more friendly to "dumb" users. In fact, it just makes it more complicated and confusing. "Counterintuitive" is the correct term to describe the experience with Windows 8.
What really irks me is how Steve Sinofsky (the cuntbag in charge of the Windows 8 development; also the bastard who who presented the W8 tablet during the crash on stage) brags about the UI changes on the development blog. In his blogs, he frequently compares to the iPad's iOS UI. He likes to talk about how more of the screen is spent on metro tiles opposed to frequently used UI functions. What he is too fucking stupid to realize is that "in your face" UI items actually have a purpose. Users shouldn't have to hunt around for the correct menu, even if it is only one "swipe" gesture away. Are they honestly trying to argue against the most successful, and arguably the most user-friendly UI designs of the past 10 years?
Windows 8 is late to the show, and although they ARE innovating in some areas, it's not what users are going to want. Microsoft is following in HP/Palm's footsteps with the Pre and the Touchpad, and we all know how that panned out in the end.
people will hate it, but it'll still be a resounding success (financially) because the majority of people buy prebuilts anyway, especially laptops, and most aren't patient/savvy enough to install an older OS or Linux and then hunt for drivers. When the common layman's windows 7 laptop breaks down from natural wear and tear or something he'll just go to the store and grab the best windows 8 deal he sees whether he likes the new OS or not.
tablets are useless to me, with the sole exception of professional stylus-input tablet PCs. Which don't seem to benefit from Metro at all (a stylus and a finger are not the same thing).
finally so many articles keep claiming that "PC sales are down while tablet sales are up, therefore people are ditching PCs for tablets". Um, more like recent developments have allowed PCs to become more reliable than in the past and that coincidentally tablets just proved to be popular toys? Back in the XP days it wasn't really uncommon for non-savvy users to replace their laptop every 2 years because the battery life might drop to 5 minutes or because the 4200rpm hard drive broke down from overuse. Nowadays you can expect a laptop to still boot up in a reasonable time and retain acceptable battery life after using it for 3 years, which seems like the more likely cause of falling PC sales. People aren't ditching their PCs, they're just able to hang on to their old ones a little longer than before.
Because Bob from marketing said so.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcap
Windows 8 will sell, but it will be far from a "resounding success".
Windows Vista sold, but it sold only 180 million copies within its 3 year lifespan.
That sounds like a lot, but when you compare it to the sales figures of Windows 7, which sold 500 million copies as of last fall, Vista's sales are
And honestly, there was nothing wrong with Vista as an OS (aside from high RAM requirements which could easily be fixed with 2 GB of RAM minimum). It just shows you how negative publicity can affect sales figures and distort the general opinion of it. Now combine bad press with a UI that most people are going to despise upon their first use....and you have the perfect storm.
do those figures include preinstalled Windows on prebuilt desktops and laptops?
I said the same thing about the P-51 Mustang.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossmum
Back to zune's and the "cool" radio feature, I had a $15 mp3 player (a la ipod style ripoff) that had more features, a radio, and basically everything except the camera, touchwheel (it had buttons like the zune but circular), and the requirement of having to install their music manager (although an optional one was provided). The battery used to run for 48-72 hours straight on music, and now it runs for around 24-30, which is still exceptional (my iPod nano runs for 24 max). The only reason I don't use it anymore is that it is all scratched up, and the headphone jack was bent so much I have to press on it to hear sounds as it's loose inside.
Mainstream generally isn't the best :hipsterface:
Quote:
Originally Posted by rentafence
Pssst, Ross isn't a Mustang person...
Also if you want a fantastic MUSIC player (.mp3 is for fagg0ts), you get Cowon. Support for just about any format you can think of.
Cowon for players, Cresyn for headphones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
(bubble 'stangs are only good 'stangs)
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Originally Posted by Zeph
b- for effortQuote:
Originally Posted by rentafence
Hey Microsoft.
GLHF.
Yes, Gay Ladies Having Fun
Heh:
I'll be in my bunk...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kornman00
blame sweaty hands
Funny thing is, that tech wise that thing is leaps and bounds ahead of the iPad xP Yet everyone is too busy sucking apples dick to notice xP
Apple has a dick? I thought they did things wireless. :downsrim:
Meh. I wouldn't say the tech is leaps and bounds, but at least shit is different than Apple's recycled stuff. I don't think you can go green with this sort of thing....
Id take any i5 model over the apple mobile dual core processors :P The surface has an actual laptop processor in it, compared to the mobile A5X that the iPad uses.
Also it can hold double the Hard drive space, as well as USB 3.0 ports and SD slots. I mean the Surface actually seems like a real computer where as the iPad is just a toy :P
Apple just makes shiny shit, makes it seem like it's the best damn thing to buy in electronics (when it's not in comparison), and overprices it. I could buy a computer BETTER than an Apple Mac for half the price and with a manufacturer that won't tell you to buy a new computer after two years.
Coming this Fall...
In a world without trees...
In a land without penguins...
Comes a house...with Windows!
Windows 8, coming at the end of Oct.
cant wait to not use it
Why should I give a fuck again?
The horror!
http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/13/31...der-only-rumorQuote:
Microsoft is reportedly planning to kill its retail full edition of Windows 8, offering simplified upgrade and System Builder options for home users. The software maker has typically sold upgrade, full, and OEM System Builder copies of its Windows software at retailers.Windows Weekly co-hosts Paul Thurrott and Mary Jo Foley have both revealed that Microsoft is planning to remove the full edition option in favor of a System Builder option for home users building a PC.
In the past, home users wishing to install a full copy of Windows could either purchase a pricey boxed copy or a cheaper OEM edition. The OEM edition, that was technically for system builders, could be sold by retailers with a piece of hardware — but many have offered this as a standalone purchase. Full boxed copies come with 90 days of support via email and telephone after activation, whereas OEM copies lack the support option. Thurrott and Foley both speculate that the full edition will no longer be available in stores, replaced with an OEM System Builder option for those building a new PC. The change marks a shift in Microsoft's licensing plans for Windows 8 and simplifies the offering to consumers on the web and in retail stores.
A Microsoft spokesperson confirmed the existence of a System Builder version for consumers earlier this month, revealing that Mac users would have to use the edition to install Windows 8. Microsoft will release a Windows 8 Pro upgrade offer for existing Windows XP, Windows Vista, and Windows 7 users — priced at just $39.99. If the rumors are true, expect to see just upgrade and System Builder options on the shelves in late October. Ultimately, the change is good for consumers providing Microsoft plans to offer its System Builder version at a similar price to its previous OEM copies of Windows 7.
They're only doing this because after the backlash and outrage of the majority of their customer base from the Windows 8 preview, they know they won't sell shit with an OS priced at 300 goddamn dollars.
Decided since they're taking away Aero -- I'd get used to it being gone.
But go to Windows Basic? No way o.o Go to the OTHER looks_and_feel that they're removing: Windows Classic : D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3.../WindowsXX.png
Surprisingly feels like a step up from Aero despite being obviously uglier.
:realsmug:
Gabe Newell: “I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space.”
Quote:
Originally Posted by T.J. Hafer
If Valve came out with the SteamBox, and released an open platform OS for my PC, I would be a happy man.
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck Microsoft. It seems their care about the PC went out the door with their PC game development.
Serves them right. This past month has been the worst month in the markets in their history. And you guys though Vista was bad. :allears:
Hey, I demand my quote not be cut off!
In another fantastic display of Microsoft marketing prowess, they'll be announcing Windows Phone 8 shit right next to Apple's iPhone 5/iOS6 keynote!
I have a sure-fire plan that would work better than anything these geniuses could do:
Port Halo to WP8. Bundle with purchase of phone. Bam.
.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kornman00
Win8 went RTM today. lol.
So W8 RTM has been leaked.
I installed it.
Nothing has been fixed.
(seriously, they didn't even bother with redesigning the aero icons despite removing the aero theme)
This OS is a fucking piece of shit.
Discuss.
seems like it's Windows98 all over again. Guess we need to wait for Windows98 Second Edition.
Here's a post from technet.
Some of you may be all like "big deal" about this list, as if no one ever used or heard of some of these features...but there's several in here which are extremely important to me. It's as if the Windows team believes that if 90% don't know or use it, then they don't need to include it.
I bolded a few of these dead features that aren't important at all.
Quote:
● Start Menu has been removed. Here's how the Start Menu was superior to the Start Screen:
- No full-screen requirement, it doesn't disturb your workflow and gets out of the way quickly
- Had quick access to shutdown commands
- Special folders 1 click away and expandable
- Expandable Recent documents
- Start Menu jump lists for pinning documents associated with that program
- Frequently used programs list
- Neatly organized All Programs list by folders
- Does not cover the Taskbar and the notification area
- Search results are in a single unified list of Programs, Files and Settings for easy up/down keyboard navigation but still neatly categorized
- Context menu options of our choice not present in Start screen. Whatever limited context menu actions Start Screen has are at the bottom of the screen which means more movement between the tile and the bottom actions
- No context menu options available at all for settings and files on the Start screen
- Launch multiple apps quickly by holding down Shift (Classic Start Menu of 9x and Classic Shell has this feature)
- Less items fit on the screen at a time due to the large size which means more scrolling unnecessarily for keyboard and mouse users
- The hot corner has poor discoverability
● Built-in (Microsoft provided) DVD playback in Windows Media Player will not be available on the Windows 8 platform even with addition of the Media Center Pack
● Device Manager no longer shows Non-Plug and Play Drivers/hidden devices. The "Devmgr_Show_NonPresent_Devices=1' environment variable has no effect.
● Applications can no longer programmatically configure, change or query file associations or set themselves during installation as the default for a file type or protocol!
● Explorer metadata/property handler for media files is removed which means the Details pane won't show those nice properties
● Many commands are missing on the Ribbon which were there on Explorer command bar like Compatibility Files, View Remote Printers etc and others for special folders and namespace extensions. They just forgot to add these to these commands!
● Reduced productivity: The menu bar in Windows Explorer has been removed and replaced with the unproductive Ribbon interface. Keyboard usability of the Ribbon is poor because in a menu, the first letter of any menu command or Alt+keyboard combination key is easier to read sequentially as it is placed in a row either horizontally or vertically. Mouse usability of the Ribbon and discoverability of commands is also poor, because unlike in a menu, where you can switch from one menu to another without clicking again, the Ribbon tabs do not activate unless you click again. The File menu also showed context menu commands but the File button on the Ribbon does not show these. Commands in the menu can be static (always available) irrespective of the location you are at in Explorer or they can be contextual like the File menu. In contrast, commands on the Ribbon are all contextual meaning you have to navigate to a certain location to use that Ribbon command.
● The ability to boot directly to the desktop and not load the Metro components in memory is not there. Items in various startup locations (Registry, startup folder etc) are all loaded with a delay of few seconds with no way to load them instantly.
● The Lock screen is the place where you can now display custom background instead of the Logon screen, but unlike the Logon screen, there seems to be no way to programmatically change or cycle through a group of images for the Lock screen background. It must be set manually by the user from PC settings on the Start screen.
● The "Unblock" button previously available on the file properties dialog for unblocking downloaded files (removing the NTFS Alternate Data Stream from the downloaded file) has been removed.
● Running Internet Explorer purely in 64-bit mode is not possible unless Enhanced Protected Mode is enabled which disables all addons. Otherwise, 64-bit IE10 opens 32-bit tabs.
● Search option to use natural language search has been removed.
● Mouse control panel option to allow or disallow themes to change mouse pointers is removed from the GUI.
● File operations like Rename, Delete can no longer be undone for UAC-protected locations
● Security Essentials settings for configuring default actions or real-time protection have been removed. (Security Essentials is now built-in as Windows Defender)
● In a dual boot scenario, the ability to directly boot into another OS besides Windows 8 is slowed down because the new Windows 8 boot shell/loader reboots to load the other operating system
● Windows Update settings for showing notifications and allowing all users to install updates have been removed. Windows Update no longer notifies with a balloon notification that there are new updates available.
● Sound events for 'Exit Windows', 'Windows Logon' and 'Windows Logoff' are removed
● People Near Me P2P API is removed
● WinHelp has been completely discontinued. No download will be available.
● MSConfig's Startup tab has been killed and replaced by the Task Manager's Startup tab that doesn't have the 'Location' column which was useful for example to know if the process started from HKCU or HKLM.
● Previous Versions for Shadow Copies is removed. The half-baked replacement is the File History feature which is only for certain file types (documents, music, videos and pictures) in Libraries, desktop and browser favorites. Previous Versions worked for any generic file type in any folder. File History does not even support EFS-encrypted files! File History is supposed to replace both "Previous Versions for Shadow Copies" as well as "Windows Backup and Restore" and it doesn't do 100% of either of the features it "replaces".
● Advanced Appearance settings which let you adjust colors, sizes and fonts are removed
● Explorer copy engine issue: Folder conflict prompt when merging/overwriting folders is removed. Explorer silently merges subfolders in a copy operation, you cannot choose entire subfolders to skip or overwrite
● Explorer status bar removes the ability to show important details. It is now a private undocumented control (DirectUI) so it also doesn't allow Explorer addons like Classic Shell to show information like free disk space, total size of items without selection, computer zone, infotip information as it could on a standard status bar control.
● Explorer: Ability to enable both Details pane and Preview pane simultaneously in Explorer for display of file metadata as well as preview, or, Details pane to be always shown and only the Preview pane toggled is gone
● Flip 3D is gone
● Chkdsk when run at startup does not display any information about file system repairs besides % complete. The screen with scanning and correction details is gone when Chkdsk runs at startup and replaced by just a % complete.
● Pen and Touch Input Desktop features no longer included. Some buttons ('num', 'sym' and 'web) are removed from the Handwriting input panel and UI changes to it require more clicks for example to switch from handwriting to keyboard, or access the editing commands (join, split, delete). It is now touch-friendly but no longer stylus-friendly.
● Network Map feature and some network profile management UI from Network and Sharing Center is missing
● Memory addresses and other technical information has been removed from the Windows 8 bug check screen (BSOD)
● The new Task Manager is missing many features of the old one. (http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...6-90c46b13c10c)
● View Available Networks (VAN) UI has been crippled with access to the most important dialog: the Network's Status removed. The VAN UI now covers the notification area icons unnecessarily and the Metro look is out of place on the Aero desktop
● The AutoPlay dialog removes the option to always open a particular program based on the file type
● The Open With dialog breaks the NoInternetOpenWith and NoFileAssociate Group Policies and browsing for a program with the redesigned Open With dialog requires three clicks instead of just one.
● The Windows Error Reporting dialog for reporting/debugging crashes does not save the state of "View details"
● Wireless NICs no longer have in-box drivers for hosted/virtual Wi-Fi whose virtual adapter used to be automatically enabled on Windows 7
● Windows CardSpace is not installed even after installing .NET 3.0/3.5
● The keyboard shortcut for Windows Mobility Center has been removed. Previously, Win+X brought it up, now it brings up the power user context menu.
● Desktop games (no word on whether they will be included or dropped in favor of Metro-style games):• Chess Titans● Windows DVD Maker is removed
• FreeCell
• Hearts
• Solitaire
• Spider Solitaire
• Minesweeper
• Mahjong Titans
• Purble Place
● Windows Briefcase
● Windows Gadget Platform is intact but no gadgets to download as the online Gadget Gallery was killed for Windows Vista and Windows 7 users as well.
● Some remoting apps that use mirror drivers or some features of mirror drivers for remoting scenarios, accessibility, or desktop duplication may no longer be supported due to the changes required to be made to Desktop Window Manager.
● Some Audio Compression Manager (ACM) components are broken resulting in ACM-based apps being unable to do format conversion.
Deprecated but not yet removed:
● Windows Backup and Restore is deprecated. Although the feature is still intact, shell integration of Backup features is removed.
● The command line tools, DiskPart.exe, DiskRAID.exe, and the Disk Management GUI are being deprecated and replaced by the WMIv2-based Windows Storage Management API with the Storage PowerShell command line utility. Dynamic Disks are being deprecated as part of this transition. (GUI for Disk Management deprecated and replaced by command line? - way to go!)
● Subsystem for UNIX-based applications is deprecated
● Some Transactional NTFS (TxF) APIs like savepoints, secondary RM, miniversion and roll forward
hi there, jcap here. for the past several months i have said a lot in irc about how much i care about windows 8 but nobody else was caring so i post it here but also still in irc for som reason
some1 pls give a car
So I'm assuming W8 is getting worse?
I fixed this in the release preview by setting the other OS as default and it takes me directly to the windows vista/7 bootloader.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcap
WTF? Well in that case OpenSauce isn't supported on Win8.Quote:
● The Windows Error Reporting dialog for reporting/debugging crashes does not save the state of "View details"
The only reason this OS will succeed is because it will be on every single new computer and customer choice will be either restricted or eliminated.
Whooo, Applesoft.
Well, at least I know I'll never use this damn OS!
Maybe W9 will be better.
Can you explain this further? What do you mean by default?Quote:
Originally Posted by arbiter901
As I understand it, the Windows 8 boot menu is essentially an operating system itself. It has a boot screen and all, which takes a good chunk of time to load. God forbid you even have to enter safe mode repeatedly.
When you're at the at the Windows 8 bootloader select "Change defaults or choose other options".
http://s11.postimage.org/a8wqz7b1d/0...ootloader1.png
(old screenshot I randomly googled)
Then click on "change default operating system"
Then end result should look like the classic 7 loader with Windows 8 under the 7 option.
http://cdn-static.zdnet.com/i/story/...in7_vhd_06.png
It will probably not work as I had XP installed on this drive before and never wiped the old boot sector.
Not 100% sure if this is true, but I'm fairly confident it is...
User on SA in yospos posted:
http://forums.somethingawful.com/sho...#post406224837Quote:
we got a laptop from intel with windows 8 this week. It has a trackpad and a touchscreen. When the new windows 8 new user interface experience is up the tracks doesn't work and you have to use the touchscreen
http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsys...t-shepface.gif
(Disclaimer: He also said a few posts later that he only had a minute with it and he will double check next week to be sure)
Though, if this really is true, then
:cwazy:
