I swear to God Oregon is the worst state for hunting.
I need to move to Alaska or Colorado or something. Somewhere where I can chase elk and deer all fall instead of for like two weeks out of the year.
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I swear to God Oregon is the worst state for hunting.
I need to move to Alaska or Colorado or something. Somewhere where I can chase elk and deer all fall instead of for like two weeks out of the year.
Cold War Fun Fax: Under the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty, both the US and USSR had to choose one, and only one, area they were allowed to protect from attack. The Soviets chose Moscow, being a capital city, a crucial cultural site, very densely populated and critical to the organisation and control of the Soviet Union.
America, ever one to flip its population off while blowing raspberries, decided to shield bumfuck North Dakota where no cunt lived, because that is where the bulk of their nuclear missiles were. America would rather keep its missiles safe for one final 'fuck you' to end the world than protect any one of its massively populated cities or cultural sites.
More Cold War Fun Fax later, in this thread! Stay tuned!
M.A.D. bro. It works.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossmum
Specifically speaking, the site chosen by the US was Grand Forks AFB, and it followed a 1974 protocol amended to the treaty to reduce protected sites to one per side as neither side had yet chosen a second.
Also I'd be kind of pissed if they saved New York and not where I live or anywhere else. This country is too big and too populated for peace accords like that to work. That treaty was specifically meant to be on the Soviets side etc.
They had a lot of large cities, too, and many of them weren't actually in Russia.
Also, they may not descend as gradually, but there are still quite a lot of cities that aren't Moscow and house a substantial amount of people.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossmum
Oh, I am aware. But I'm saying that of course the Russians led by a Russian leader at the time chooses the heart of Russia.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossmum
I was hoping you'd realize what the British did not when they fought on the soil of North America- there is no true core or center of our country. But Russia has one, so of course that's what they chose to protect.
Yeah but you would have figured they would try and keep some Americans alive, but I guess not.
From their point of view it was if we get attacked, we want the missiles to retaliate, if you strike down Russia's missile sites, it would be ten times easier to take down Moscow then without the threat of retaliation. It sort of make sense tactically, plus no one needs New York or D.C. anyway...
So I bought two Mosin Nagant M38's...for the low low price of $539.98 >_> but I made sure they were more special then just a standard refurb. Going through a rack of 40+ M38's I got to choose two very well I guess unique M38's for refurbs. One is a 1941 (low wall/stepped tangs/nicely machined) and the other is a 1943 (heavily machined). I only have the 41 as the 43 is on layaway (which I'll be getting tomorrow hopefully).
So I'll let the pictures do talking tomorrow since I could go into heavy detail but I would rather do it with pictures, expect pics around 2 pm EST.
Spartan, if you are ever looking to sell one of your Mosins then hit me up dawgQuote:
Originally Posted by Spartan094
Alrighty will do.
I forgot my layaway paper slip so ill just get the '43 M38 tomorrow. Pictures to come once I get out of college today of the '41
1941 Izhevsk M38
Late/post war stock (stock made for stepped tangs so no gap in the wood)
Photoshoop brightener
And matching numbers..they look almost original (iffy on the buttplate)
M44 stock also.
Fucking gorgeous carbine, wish I could get one. Everyone can get Soviet M44s except me :smith:
I've seen Soviet M44's (war-time and post war) time to time but $300 is a joke here in the U.S. I still have ONE more M38 I need to show and I'm going to go get it tomorrow.
Good lord.
7 shots, 5 animals.
Goddamn
How is there no reply to JackalStomper's link? That shit was hilarious.
I thought so too, but no one commented so I got scared.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
I saw it on TFR several days ago so I felt no need to.
So a friend of mine bought a Saiga 7.62x51mm and about 500 rounds of soft point ammo for it. Haven't gotten to shoot it yet, but the thing is a work of art in both how awesome and how crappy it is. The sights are awful, but it only took us about 3 seconds to pull it almost completely apart. If we go shooting in the next few weeks I will be sure to take some bad pictures.
I got my 2nd M38..she bugly. Ill post pictures sometime later after school.
M38 - 1943 Izhevsk
M38 war-time stock (replacement hand-guard)
It's mostly original...replacement parts look to be the barrel bands (both Izhevsk marked), hand-guard, and the rear sight (I'm not sure thou). Every single part is marked Izhevsk, sear is in-the-white. When I got it, the whole thing was covered in cosmoline and it had a fuck ton of black paint. The paint came off and this is what I got.
I dunno what these marks are..I like to think kill count but if so the russian couldnt count.
And for numbers (I was lazy)
So what do you guys think? I believe this to be 90-95% original and it doesn't look like it was ever re-blued or much done to it. Oh there was active rust on the magazine plate but that was hidden which I fixed.
That is one ugly Mosin
Old but shoots very good, and has a shiny bore! Oh and the two M38's I got are not counter-bored.
This is not a thing soldiers do. Genocidal maniacs in the Balkans, yes, but not regular soldiers. They wouldn't be able to keep a tally anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartan094
Even snipers (who typically did record kills) did it on a notepad, not their rifle, and they did it because it provided intel. Tank, AT gun, and AA gun crews would paint rings around the barrel and aircrews would paint little icons on their planes, but this is the only incidence I've ever heard of where regular, trained soldiers would make some visible tally of all the enemy units they'd destroyed - and note in all of those cases they would have been shooting to disable machines, not kill men.
Kill counts are for snipers and psychopaths.
As for the carbine itself, that stock has obviously been replaced and refurbed (though I could count non-refurb Soviet stocks I've seen on one hand, so that's no big). Metal may be original bluing, that or it had the hell beaten out of it sometime in the postwar period.
Maybe the guy who was behind the rifle's family had been killed in the invasion, and that was his reaction? You never know.
i have a pretty good idea. if he was that angry he wouldn't care about counting, because every second spent carving a notch into the stock is a second spent not killing germans.
the only place i have ever seen kill notches on rifles is when they were used by untrained and generally genocidal militia members, mostly in the balkans, and even then they are not hugely common.
Gosh Ross, where to Sperg out on this. We were just trying to have fun with the whole "kill notch" idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossmum
Welp, I guess it's just me now...talking to myself and posting guns to myself..yay.
site not working :(
Just checked it again
600 bucks? eh.
You will never see a WWII sniper rifle for $600 again in your entire life, unless it is only worth the parts it is made of or someone accidentally discovers Stalin's personal hoard of them.
These are legitimate, unfucked with, guaranteed-to-have-seen-action WWII sniper rifles. They will outshoot any Mauser or Springfield or Garand and more often than not will shame a NIB Remington 700. Despite being Mosins their fit and finish is superb and they were very clearly hand-fitted with all the love and care of the best Soviet armourers.
Some of the last batch were found to have custom-machined scope mount shims serialled to the rifle with them. These are not "eh, Mosins", these are fucking WWII sniper rifles and the only reason they aren't $firstborn is because the Soviets made a goddamn lot of them, few of which are likely to come into the US again for a long time, if at all.
The guaranteed to outshoot any Springfield or Mauser part makes me go "lol, Ross" as I have seen many sub MOA groups produced from Mausers and Springfields here in the states. But the collectible part is pretty legitimate. If I had the cash, your pitch would have worked on me to plop down the money. Especially since I have the feeling that the FFL 03 is going to be on the top of Obama's new "get rid of" list.
What's validity of this site Ross? I have seen a few "authentic PU scopes" in the past to find out they were forgeries from Ukraine. If they're legit might have to snag me another pu sniper.
Mosins with PU scopes are fun as hell to shoot. Though I've only put a few rounds through one, I enjoyed every shot.
https://brassstacker.com/Mauser-See-...unt-combo.html
I think I'm going to install this platform on my 24/47 when I receive it.
Any thoughts?
I'd rather buy a Mosin PU...I MAY do it after christmas (depending on funds...and if I wanna sell one of my Mosin's or not)
Though I would find it rather difficult to sell any of my guns. It's like that feel when you pick up a rifle it just speaks to you..well for me it does if I pick up a certain old rifle. Exception being my WASR 10/63 and my heavily refurbed 91/30 '43 Izhevsk..in which the 91/30 I traded for a HDTV earlier this year.
Let's see I have a
-Romanian M44
-2 Izhevsk M38's
-Izhevsk 91/30
-Winchester Lever-Action Mod 94
-WASR 10/63
-10 Gauge Belgium Double Barrel shotgun
And a soon to come to my collection is a Remington M91..though the poor thing got sporterized back in the 30's (stock, and the barrel got chopped to 24 inches but still has original front sight). Pictures on Friday hopefully.
I always think "oh man, I could sell this gun to help pay for that gun" But then I'm like "well...then I don't have both....and I really kind of want to have both :(" So I find it hard to sell guns lol
Haven't added anything to my collection in a while :( hoping to get something soon
Acceptance standard for a WWII infantry rifle was typically around 3MOA, blowing out to 4-5MOA for semiautos because they are inherently less accurate and it was even more noticeable back then. The overwhelming majority of Kar98ks and M1903s will fall in the 2-4MOA range depending on condition and original build quality. Mosins vary widely for the same reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by TVTyrant
91/30 sniper acceptance standard was slightly over MOA. Most of them shoot under, the rest shoot at or slightly over. Very few are outside the acceptance standard (I believe it was 1.3) and most of those were badly fucked by time and use.
A Kar98k or 1903 might shoot MOA with a good handload and a lot of fuckery. A 91/30 PU will shoot MOA with Soviet military ammunition.
They are confirmed legit, not just by me but by collectors in general. Only the most dense of the tinfoil hat brigade harbour doubts, and they are all stupid ones that are easily disproven.Quote:
Originally Posted by PenGuin1362
Look who's going to try a "Assault Weapons Ban" I know what I'm going to do with my WASR..keep it.
The whole argument against "assault weapons" is so flawed a 4 year old could make a better argument for the existence of Santa. That said, it's a retarded debate argued by emotion, on both sides, with the intention of solving all of america's problems with the signing of a bill while ignoring what's really wrong. I think it's best we avoid that discussion here.
Columbine, which many people recognize as the first of these events to recieve this kind of attention, happened after an "assault weapons ban", and that shit didn't help at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by PenGuin1362
That's a good point. The K98s and 1903s I have seen shoot well were refurbs with modern barrels and ammo.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossmum
I wonder if the NRA will support it like they did last time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartan094
Don't fall into the trap of believing either the NRA or the Republicans (or any other right-wing party) give a flying toss about your right to bear arms when they don't give a flying toss about you in the first place. The NRA has a long and proud history of either quietly ignoring or actively supporting anti-gun legislation, and most of the right-wing filth American gun owners look to for salvation are the same people who passed AWBs or tried to extend them in their own states, who support Government surveillance with absolutely no checks or balances, and who already go out of their way to make individuals powerless against the corporations that bankroll their campaigns. You are deluding yourself if you think Romney wouldn't be clamping down on guns to score points as well, especially since he's done it before.
There is zero threat from the UN, as well, despite idiotic right-wing nationalistic agitation. Anyone who thinks the UN has any power to do anything about privately-owned guns in the US is an idiot and could probably use a sharp punch in the jaw to aid them in realising this.
You are no better off on that side of the fence than you are on the left where, oddly enough, there are a lot of gun owners. I am sick of partisan politics being linked to gun-having.
I think I saw somewhere about the NRA supporting the ban...also I can not buy ammo or walk into a gun store at all.
In other news I aquired the sporterized Remington M91...holy crap it's beautiful..if only they kept the buttplate then it would be an all matching rifle despite being sporterized. I have to work soon so I'll post pics later.
Dude, we know. We aren't old farts with guns. We're the young generation of America. A lots going to change in 30 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossmum
Oh boy fun. Here come the trolls in our thread/area, trying to make a mess of things with their shitty, uneducated opinions about guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Limited
Bad people with guns need to be killed by good people with guns.
Trolling engaged.
Hi don't ruin my thread thanks in advance
Notice that it says "no shooting since" instead of "no killings since".Quote:
Originally Posted by Limited
Nobody values your opinion :downs:.
Also trying to find gen3 pmags is a real bitch at the moment. And someone, for the love all shit buy this. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=320859077
last price was $4100
aborting mission
I removed the remington m91 band (not sure if it was the front or rear m91 band) But other than that here is the Sporterized Remington Mosin Nagant M91. Wood stock is customly done, it has the original recoil lug it retains it's original front sight post (it got welded). Everything is remington marked/numbers matching, barrel is just a few inches shorter then a 91/30. It lost it's original buttplate, original wood stock/handguard, one of it's barrel bands, and some barrel length.
buttplate
Rips.
no don'tQuote:
Originally Posted by PenGuin1362
scope is legit, mount is probably legit, but the rifle is a refurb that has been humped and the notch may not be original which would make it not actually a sniper rifle
Not the mount, the mount looks fake. The rifle is a refurb as well.
lately ive been looking to buy a decent surplus bolt action rifle....been looking at the m24/47 quite hard but was also looking at the mosins in this thread and im really having a hard time making up my mind....been doing my research but i wouldnt mind hearing some other input....
Both will do anything you will ever need a rifle for. 24/47 will probably be "nicer", and that should be expected for a rifle you're paying $300 for. The Mosin is just as serviceable, easier to use, and the ammo is far less expensive and in many cases better.Quote:
Originally Posted by ghk
Mosin's are easier on the wallet...commonly easy on the wallet is the 91/30. Soviet wise, the M38 will probably be the most accurate . I have 2 and they are absolute tack-drivers. 91/30's vary out of the bunch, some can be tack-drivers and some I feel cant hit the broad side of a barn. 91/30 PU snipers now, from the recent Molot imports that are genuie snipers, are the best and most accurate from the soviet side. M44's are fun but sometimes you will find one that cant hit shit.
Finn rifles are generally always accurate, I heard M39's are the best, I heard M28/30's are the best..I'm not sure which Finn rifle as I have never shot one..yet. With Finn 28/76 you have to be careful with, because some will chamber 7.62x53r and then your semi-screwed if you just buy surplus ammo and don't reload.
There is just tons and tons of info if you go the Mosin Nagant route, which I would suggest buying a Mosin Nagant. I can't tell you which variant to buy...from the M91, M1907 Carbine (haha have fun finding that jem), Dragoon, Cossack, M91/30, M38, M44, M91/38, M91/59. Finn rifles such as P-Series Finn rifles, M24, M27, M91rv, M27rv, M28, M28/30, M39, Finn built M91 and M91/30's, M28/76. Then you have the eastern block countries that produced the M44, some produced the 91/30 rifles and/or PU 91/30's.
I think that's all of them..might be missing one or two :iamafag: and sorry if you might know all this, I'm just hyper at 3 AM for no reason.
Every time people talk about gun control I just say that it needs to be all or nothing. Having 'some' guns is not better than having 'all guns'. Guns are guns, they give whoever has them an advantage over whoever doesn't when it comes to the death-dealing business. I have no problem with law enforcement and military being given exclusive access to certain types of weapons when the first come out/are developed, but 10 years after something new comes out and something better exists, let the civi's have the old stuff. At least, if you're worried about your 'safety' and law enforcement having the tools to do it. It's a waste of time and money to try and govern what is 'ok to own' and what 'isnt ok to own'...
If you implement a 'no gun' policy, it still won't prevent terrible crimes. Look at Japan, where that cook released a sarin gas device in a subway. Yeah, not having access to guns made that situation WAY better. Shit, if that group had used guns the devastation would probably of been less severe. However a 'no gun' policy is a legitimate and much more cost-effective way to govern firearms control...
This rant brought to you by all the political fallout over the Connecticut shooting. Thanks a lot USA, now 5.56 NATO PMAG's cost $100 each here in Canada. At least the Robinson Armament XCR-M .308 Win (7.62 NATO for all intents and purposes) won't be affected by the changes in the USA. We had out supply lines in place before they even started selling in the USA, so we have an importer with a deal that won't have shortages. The 7.62 NATO SR-25 pattern magazines are still $25-$30 still, thank god...
really appreciate all the info spartan ...i looked at some nice looking 91/30s at the gunshop but they were slammed and i didnt want to stand in line (which went out the door) and i think im going to try to get myself an m38 anyway ....:-)
lancer...you think your shits expensive? its crazy here right now....anything 5.56 is off the shelves ....gunshops dont even answer their phones anymore, you have to go in....(where i am at least)
saw an unconverted saiga in the store for $900 friday (whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttttt)
popular vendor sites are down because they cant keep up with the volume ....
crazy
Well our pmag prices are basically the same as yours right now, it's all the 5.56 stuff that's being price jacked.
Luckily my $2,700 XCR-M is .308, shit would probably be over $5,000 if it were 5.56 and the RobArms supply chains relied on USA economy shits.
I'm thinking of getting an H&K 417 in .22lr... Their actually only like $600. I don't get why the .22lr is $600 and the 5.56 and 7.62 NATO ones are $4,000+... There's really not that much different! If they can sell the .22lr ones that low, the other ones must be that high purely because of markup and brand, not cost of manufacturing or selling.
Edit - Holy shit, Fox News actually made something compentent!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf0MO55kMsI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igerQd0dpHY
Someone gets a gold star for today. GJ, Ben.
Oh look
http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/publ...ssault-weapons
I don't think it will ever pass..I think.
But in retalition to this https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...e-awb/sdKKkKJ5
Ugh I fucking hate politics
Yeah can we cut the political crap? We know these people are all fucking idiots, lets just get back to enjoying our firearms and ones we're considering buying.
FBI HRT from the 80's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TJQrRNxrHA
How far we've come...
People who don't own guns talking about gun politics is like men talking about abortion.
People who own guns talking about gun politics are seldom better so please let's just keep this thread about guns and not about who can make the worst posts
Anyone living in Canada Ontario in possession of a restricted firearm licence? If so, how hard is it to get? I heard its all about waiting on the approval and that most people are accepted (as long as you belong to a club).
You don't even need to belong to a club, you can just say that you want to start shooting AT a club. Specifically with restricted firearms like pistols. And yeah, it's very easy to get in and you can even challenge the exam for like $15 instead of taking the entire course. If you know the parts and functions of most pistols you'll be fine. You also need to know all the stuff from the regular non-restricted license (general Canadian firearms safety stuff).
RCMP will check all of your provided references, as well as call you and do an over the phone interview asking why you want the license and stuff. This is were you mention that you'd like to get into 'competitive shooting at a licensed range'. Then you're in.
Prohibs are basically impossible to get now right
Because goddamn if I don't desperately want to own a C1A1 and L1A1 at some point in my life
That's it
I'm doing it
I have an $1100 tax return coming in, and I'm going to blow it on a gun.
Model 70 Winchester Featherweight in .270 Winchester
http://www.winchesterguns.com/produc...D-535109-m.jpg
LOOK AT IT
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...ight280003.jpg
I WANT YOU TO FUCKING LOOK AT IT
http://snakeriverarms.com/wp-content..._10253_1_2.jpg
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/in...h=157883;image
Cool gun I guess but a pre-64 would be cooler, hell even a 70s one would be neat
I had fun times with almost that exact gun, model 70 sport in .270.
The new ones use the "classic action", which is the same as the pre-64. Controlled feed forever!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by rossmum
I recently shot a .357 Revolver that I believe was this Ruger at a gun range:
http://www.ruger.com/products/sp101/index.html
I've shot a pistol before, but goodness that was a great handgun. Until my skinny index finger gave-in, I was shooting every region of the silhouette target I aimed at from 10-15 yards away. I had limited ammo, so I had to be careful with how far to shoot. Next time, I plan to shoot a .44 Magnum from 15-20 yards. I think the range (indoors) only goes to 30.
The other day I got to shoot my friend's Colt Python in .357
I don't get how people could possibly believe the .357 is a "kicker" or whatever. It was extremely mild compared to another friend's 10mm EAA Witness.
reminds me of this one time i went shooting with my dad. he has this snub nose .357 revolver. i dont know what the model is or anything, but that thing was ridiculous. lit up the whole room with the muzzle flare.
But now they are not made in the US and are not as handcrafted!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TVTyrant
Black rifles or bust.
True, but it is still the ultimate bolt action design.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossmum
Ihadwanted to buy more Mosin Nagant ammo, so I did buy 880 more. My total will be around 1,832 rounds. Never enough!
And also who ever did the crowning job on my sporterized remington M91 back then..made a lopsided crown...so I can't hit shit really at 50 yards which is quite sad..so I'll need to send it to a gunsmith to be fixed.
Went to my parents' and got some 91/30 shooting in. Usual shooting spot was occupied by alpacas so had to shoot into the hill behind the house, so I could only go out to about 70yd. First 2 shots landed less than an inch from each other and the third strung across the other side, about 5-6" away. Shit happens. Second group was about 3", third was a bit smaller, fourth was about 1.5" for all three. Given I am shooting ordinary surplus, am still shooting using irons, and it was approximately fuck off degrees celcius, I'm feeling pretty confident that I can get this thing to go under MOA once the scope's on and I've got some good ammo happening.
learn to aim mate, you could put an eye out
880 rounds of 7.62x54r 148gr Lead Core Type L. 1945 powder but manufactured in 1946. Factory 17
upon trying to open it, I said fuck it and used the AK bayonet
Anddd after fighting/prying off the 8 nails that held it shut..ta-da..Green cans.
Fired 39 shots earlier and no hang-ups or split casings. Not bad ammo considering it's kinda vintage.
Damn Ruskies with their clever containers of ammo.
I feel like if I were shooting old ammo, it would catastrophically fail on me.
Then again, I'm ordering about 1,000 rounds of 7.62 NATO surplus for plinking... I doubt it's that old though.
Soviet Russia, you fail old ammo, not other way around.
As long as it's been stored well you can safely shoot 100+ year old ammo just fineQuote:
Originally Posted by Cortexian
Yeah, lots of ammo from the 1870-1890's runs fine still, so provided that it's in good condition. Russian/Soviet ammo is always in excellent condition due to the way it's packed.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossmum
I believe Lancer was attempting a "joke" though, perhaps one similar to "Bad Luck Brian."
Guys look, an AK-15! now the media doesn't have to always get it wrong! Just 50% wrong.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/w...n_pl_1-tfb.jpg
WHAT THE FUCK
According to the article it's a common prop used in eastern european films. Not sure why they chose to have the bizarre hybrid.
