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@Pooky: interference can come from the motherboard's own PCB layout as well. They don't always put a lot of thought into audio shielding. That said, it doesn't sound like this is your issue. And yes, most audio sources are pretty shit to begin with.
@Bod: Crucial M4 or Samsung 830 for the SSD. Samsung Spinpoint F3 for the HDD.
Western Digital supremacy. I've had fucking three Seagate drives fail on me in in the past 12 months alone. Two FreeAgent goflex 2.5 drives and one regular 1TB Barracuda drive that I bought two months ago. Fuck. That. Shit. And generally I've had good experience with Seagate, but they just don't make them the way they used to. Never had a WD drive fail on me. Never. And I own a lot of them from years past. The oldest one I have is a 20GB IDE drive from 2001. I bought many more over the years. All are still working. in machines that I have running right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bodzilla
I've had a WD Green drive that's bad, still have it. It's not unusable, just don't do anything that requires access to it for more than a few seconds. That said, I had failed to do my research because everybody knew the Green drives were terrible at the time. I just saw WD, lots of GB, and a low price and thought it was a bargain. Oops.
That said, I still generally choose WD over everybody else. The Samsung Spinpoints, however, are looking attractive for their price, and they have good performance for a platter drive.
OCZ's are good for speed but bad for reliability. They've stepped up their reliability somewhat in the past year but Crucial M4 or Intel SSD's are still king of reliability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bodzilla
Get a WD Black or Red drive for long term storage reliability with decent performance. And with your track record, you should get 4+ and setup a RAID-6 so if any two drives fail your data is still secure. lol.
Running 2 WD Green and 1 Black..never had any issues. Theres my fanboyism.
i had 2 WD black 2tb drives, in mirror, both died within 6 months of each other.
and i had another 1 die a year before that. I've lost 3 in in a year and a half. I'm not getting another WD
The Samsung 830 and Crucial M4 are basically equal in terms of reliability and speed, and they yo-yo each other on price. I hope to grab a 256 GB version of one or the other, and my 128GB M4 has been awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by me
The Spinpoints are known for being quiet and reliable with comparable performance to WD.
Crucial M4 and Samsung Spinpoint. Your dreams are complete.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bodzilla
windows isn't recognizing my second HDD.
i used to have a raid setup, but i've since then replaced it with a SSD with my OS and a HDD for data. I put all the factory defaults for my bios back to normal, and when i was installing i could see both Hard drives, but i can only see the partition i created for windows when i'm IN windows.
i can see it in bios though.
anyone else had this? send halp.
So you partitioned a drive and can only see part of it correct?
Are you sure the second partition is actually in a Windows usable format?
Did you go into the Windows Disk Management and assign a drive letter for the other partition?
I'd just like to highly recommend the following Mini-ITX case if anyone ever wants to built a portable system:
http://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/pr...assis/prodigy/
dont worry. i'm an idiot. forgot to allocate space for partitions for the rest of the drives.
only thing thats a bit weird is windows allocated system reserved space, on my HDD and not my SSD where my OS is installed. does it always do that?
It often does that if you install windows with other drives plugged in. It's not a huge deal, but I prefer not to have that space mixed up on a separate hard drive. If you're up to it, I'd suggest unplugging any HDDs you have and reinstall windows with only the SSD plugged in. It's a pretty useless 100mb waste if you're an experienced computer user, so I'd suggest reading this guide and removing it altogether.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bodzilla
nah it doesn't bother me that much. i think i'll just leave it alone.
The FX-8300's are out, and already out of stock on amazon :(
Not sure if because people are interested in them, or there just isn't much supply.
if anyone wants a fast drive to store porn on, the 600GB WD velocitaptor is 99bux right now
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136555
these have 5 year warranties as well
I've got two of those in 300GB size. I paid 178 USD for them.
Holy balls, I need to get one of those VelociRaptors...I was considering just grabbing a 256 GB SSD but that seems like a better option.
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackalStomper
lol the SSD would kill it in everything. That's why I said porn- as in storage drive :)
I need space though. My 750 GB Green is lolunreliable and needs to go, and I'm at approximately 99MB free space on my 128 GB M4.
hold onto your dicks here's big kepler! http://www.anandtech.com/show/6446/n...rrives-at-last
oh wait it's not the desktop version... sigh nvidia
And you probably won't see a consumer version any time soon, since their foreseeable production run is back-ordered for Tesla applications
What are good flash drives on the market today?
Edit: I would [extremely] like to place an order today.
Considerations:
- Durability for the general student-consumer
- A pragmatic capacity (≥16 GB, looking at 32 GB now)
- High speeds (write, read) under normal, daily file transfer conditions
- Price range: $30 ≤ price ≤ $60
- Future compatibility: perhaps USB 3.0
- Reliability & manufacturer reputation
- Advantages of Post-Black Friday
One potential site I may buy from is Amazon.
Edit: I didn't think that this warrants a new thread so may as well tack on my neediness here.
A thumb drive is a thumb drive. A cheap one will last you as long as an expensive one.
The only real difference between them now is whether they're USB 3.0 or not. A new 3.0 drive has transfer speeds comparable to normal hard drives if the drivers are installed on the host machine. Some of the larger 3.0 thumb drives try to rival low end solid states since they're essentially the same thing.
So I guess I'll go with USB 3.0 flash drives then. These are just a few of the ones I might consider buying.
- SanDisk Extreme 32GB USB 3.0 Flash Drive Model SDCZ80-032G-A75 (going to probably buy from Staples)
- Lexar JumpDrive Triton 32 GB USB 3.0 Flash Drive LJDNV32GCRBNA
- CORSAIR Voyager GT 32GB USB 3.0 Flash Drive Model CMFVYGT3A-32GB
- Patriot Supersonic Rage XT 32GB USB 3.0 Flash Drive Model PEF32GSRUSB
E:A few disheartening reviews related to backwards-compatibility for the SanDisk, but it remains a competitive contender among the choices.
Looking for fast transfer speeds for monolithic files and also large agglomerations of many small files.
EE: Leaning towards the SanDisk Extreme 32 GB
A thing that I built:
Not a powerful rig without a GPU, but it serves the purpose for what the buyer wanted. Video of build coming soon™.
Is a video really necessary? And why would a customer want such a powerful PC, but no real GPU to go with it? Home server?
Kind of a Home Theater PC/Internet browser for his TV. It has integrated HDMI so it's perfect for the role. He said he was looking into Steam Big Picture for gaming as well, but not yet. So I think this is a good base system. Even if he does start gaming at 1080p, a mid-range GPU in the current gen will be more than adequate to supplement this hardware.
Plus, he was looking at something similar online for $1,500 and I built this for $700.
EDIT: Video finished!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iRzZmudc4M
For the love of god, get a better mic. My ears are bleeding.
It sounds fine to me?
Was just using the integrade GoPro camera on my head for the mic.
Next time, use a desktop mic or wireless headset to record because the low bitrate is really hard to listen to for more than a minute.
It sounds better than my G930 does when I record to me. So I really have no idea what you're getting at.
Okay, so my younger brother nabbed this mobo a while back and now he wants to get a graphics card. He's running Windows XP 32-bit. Since I'm not a brilliant component analyzer like some of you, I need your help. He's looking at this graphics card to play on (cheap, powerful, positive reviews). Will the system support it? If more info is needed, ask and I'll deliver.
Why not have him spend 20 more dollars and get this card? It will smoke that card by far, and if he sent in the rebate it'd be about the same price. Plus, AC3 is free with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NneYaTano
Also, what amount of RAM is he using? He should at least update to Windows 7...
He's got 2GB of RAM on his machine, and if we didn'tblowuse the last install on my computer he'd have Windows 7 Ultimate...
I only got Ultimate because my step-dad blew his money on an install disk from Best Buy. :ugh:
Well I think that card would be a good investment nonetheless. Maybe later on he could get more RAM (it's extremely cheap right now!), he could update to something this generation (cmon guys XP is ooollld. maybe get it non legitly...).
So I just got one of these and now need suggestions for CPU to get.
Honestly didn't expect the board to be this filthy rich in features.
and I thought the 16 gigs of DDR3 Ram was over the top, WELP!
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/up...f-god-meme.jpg
Was that a gift? Haha someone must really hate you. The only reason to go s2011 is for the 6 core CPUs and 64GB of ram, both of which you will be ordering I hope?
Here this is the only CPU that's not 1000 dollars or a quad core (you don't go s2011 to use a quad lmao, ivy bridge is superior) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116492
Actually, the full-sized PCI-E lanes and quad-channel memory are perfectly legit reasons. Also the fact that LGA1155 is DEAD while LGA2011 is due for one more refresh. Get the cheap quad-core now, grab the IVB-E later.
I have the quad. IVB was not out at the time. IVB still isn't as good after the dust settles.
It is if you fix the thermal issues yourself.
:downs:
And completely void any and all warranty you may have had by unsealing the thermal plate from the dieQuote:
Originally Posted by Cortexian
:downs:
Hence the :downs:.
I'm making a big update to my system here. Now I haven't really been up to date in components here for quite some time so I may lack some understanding of which is a better buy. Any suggestions for better components for around the same price range will be greatly appreciated.
Here are my choices.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116504
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130655
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231428
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127703
For not much more you might as well get this instead of the 8Gb.
Don't really need 16 gigs atm (DDR3 is cheap so I may rethink this later on).
I'm trying to keep this upgrade just under $500.
You might not need 16 gigs but given amazon currently has over half the price off, you'll save more in the long run if you decide later on.Quote:
Originally Posted by arbiter901
Nope. There is no IVB-compatible chipset that can do what X79 can do. The only feature LGA1155 chipsets and CPUs have over X79 is QuickSync...which is pointless when you can tell your oversized discrete cards to do the same job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cortexian
Dead but not obsolete. I'm not sure if the PCI-E lanes is really a valid reason either, especially since there are 1155 boards that offer acceptable solutions (to a problem that does not yet exist) for most users.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
As for quad channel memory versus dual channel, you won't see much of a difference (if any) in most real world cases. This'll probably change in the future but by then our current machines will look like things of play.
It's easy to buy into features you don't actually need.
...Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
Like what?
he NEEDS 64GB of ram.
lol
Welp.. seriously considering building a gaming PC. Looking for all the parts for the pc itself, minus the hard drive (have that). Before the cost of the case, hoping to not spend more than $500. Halp!?
Plas:
- CPU - Core i5-3350P
- Motherboard - ASRock Extreme 4, though since I'm counting rebates, the ASUS P8Z77-V LK is an alternative
- GPU - EVGA GeForce 650 Ti, at $140 after rebate
- RAM - 8GB DDR3 1600 Corsair Vengeance
All said and done, it's $493. You can grab a better GPU if you drop down to a Core i3 CPU, which might actually work to your benefit, but after running with a weak CPU and strong CPU for years with my first rig I figure it's better to spend a little more now on the CPU so that you can get a stronger GPU later when the need arises and not be bottlenecked to oblivion. Four cores is also starting to matter these days.
Eight RAM slots for quad-channel memory, dual-socket CPU support, full-width PCI-Express lanes...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cortexian
You can say those are gimmicks, but that doesn't invalidate the point. LGA 2011 is more capable than LGA 1155 ever could be.
Besides, the cost difference of a quality 1155 setup versus a quality 2011 setup is negligible (like, $10) and at the time I was researching a build (Sandy Bridge era) it was marginally less expensive to do LGA2011 than LGA1155. The i7-3820 was the same price as the i7-2700K, the board was $220 versus $250 for the same tier board with the closest possible features, and dropping to a 2011 board that was still quality but with more mainstream 1155 parity would have saved me an additional $20 (but then what would be the point of going LGA 2011?). And, to boot, my computer is also a workstation...just not workstation enough to warrant a Quattro or FireGL.
Second, evolutionary dead end is the same thing as obsolete in the world of computers. While I'll be able to upgrade to a modern CPU and new GPUs a year from now and still support everything they can throw at my board, those with LGA1155 platforms will have to be building completely new computers. And this is going to be an issue if the new consoles actually are coming out this holiday season.
I would hope that a newer and more expensive technology would be more capable, even if most of the additions are of no use to the majority of users.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
Your cost comparisons are quite unfair. The 2700k carried a premium for nothing more than a shot at reaching slightly higher overclocks, although the evidence I've seen indicates that it was a complete waste of money, offering zero benefit over the 2600k. Not really a surprise since they're the same chip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
On top of that, some of the K series CPUs will achieve better performance after overclocking. If you're not going to overclock it, you may as well have gone for the cheaper models.
You priced up the most expensive LGA1155 build you could put together against probably the cheapest LGA2011 build and convinced yourself that you were getting value. You could have put together an LGA1155 build for a much lower price with very little performance loss. Once you reach the high-end, you pay a massive premium for negligible performance gains.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
Doubt it. I think LGA1155 will continue to serve well for quite a while yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
I want a new case for my old ATX rig. I want the case to be simple and silent (no side window and fan, not many LEDs etc.). I took a look at the NZXT H2 and loved all aspects of it but it seems to be getting a lot of bad reviews (e.g. for having unlabeled cables etc.).
Can anyone confirm or recommend a different case?
Mid tower? Full tower?
Ah sry Mid-Tower...fuck I knew I forgot an important aspect xD
If you are after the NZXT H2 for its sleekness as well as its sound-dampening qualities, I'd recommend the Fractal Design R3. It's not as good at sound dampening, but it is much better built than any NZXT case.
@Btcc22: Wrong on all counts. I did not use the least expensive LGA 2011 board, and nor does attempting to reach feature parity with an LGA 1155 build require you to use the most expensive boards available. For both X79 and Z68/Z77, the most expensive boards go for above $400. What I did was set a price point of no more than $250 and look for boards that offered the maximum bang for the buck. ASRock ended up being the best brand for both platforms, and the real deciding factor ended up being the number of full PCI-E lanes. X79 is bigger, I have dual 7970s, and Z68 would have bottlenecked them.
I also do, in fact, overclock my CPUs (and my GPUs, actually). I just haven't done it for this PC yet since I haven't seen much of a need to outside of improving physics processing for Metro 2033. At the time, the i7-2600K and i7-2700K were the same price, too.
So all and all, my comparison is completely fair.
Hardly. You'd probably see a tiny performance decrease that you'd barely notice on benchmarks let alone through actual use but that's about it. My Z68 board would run both those cards in PCI-E 3.0 x8 (or x16 for a single card) with an IB CPU which is the same amount of bandwidth per card as a PCI 2.0 x16 would provide. Still, no point worrying about that when on the whole there's negligible difference between a 7970 on PCI-E 2.0 x8 and x16.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
7970 benchmarks:
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph5458/43816.png
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Intel/Ivy_...rfrel_1280.gif
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Intel/Ivy_...rfrel_2560.gif
Wrong again. I would have been using PCI-E 2.0 x8/x8 on a Z68 motherboard at the time. Building a computer only running at 96% even for a single card is asinine when I can build one running at 100% for the same price or less.
Here are some more pertinent graphs, since my rig is using the related ASRock Extreme6 and two 7970s:
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6228/49656.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6228/49661.png
Oh, and that's with a full x16/x16. Z68 did not go higher than x8/x8.
In the end, building a computer for me is all about maximizing the headroom per dollar once I've decided on the performance requirements. All I have to do in the foreseeable future is upgrade a CPU. By the time games on the new consoles start becoming notable more demanding than the best games on the previous consoles, people on 1155 will be building whole new computers. I won't. Why? Because mine has the ability move more data, faster. Plain and simple.
I'm not wrong when you pretty much repeat what I already posted.
The Dirt 3 result is strange and seems unique to AMD cards so I'd probably discount it without further testing. However, other benchmarks show zero difference between PCI-E 3.0 x8 and x16 with Dirt 3 so you could have found a number of suitable LGA1155 boards anyway, if you actually cared about getting a few more wasted frames in Dirt 3 that is. I suspect you don't. ;)
Higher than x8/x8 PCI-E 3.0 which is the same amount of bandwidth as x16/x16 PCI-E 2.0 plus better latency, yes. This is assuming you're using IB, although the article and benchmarks I posted show that there's no real difference between PCI-E 2.0 x8/x8 and x16/x16 anyway.Quote:
Oh, and that's with a full x16/x16. Z68 did not go higher than x8/x8.
Going by release dates on your parts you built that machine either after the release of Ivy Bridge or incredibly close to it. I'm still willing to bet that you could have built a far cheaper 6 series platform (Z is a waste, as you mentioned earlier) platform without sacrificing much, if any, performance. Even if you went down the SB route and couldn't take advantage of the board's PCI-E 3.0 bandwidth, then you could have opted for boards with NF200 chips.
Anyway, to sum it up lest we do another loop, none of that really matters and we're just nitpicking. I just felt you were overhyping LGA2011 and being slightly unfair about LGA1155 when really, there's nothing wrong with it and it's still the better choice for building a machine that can come close to or match the 2011's perfomance but with a cheaper tag, unless you convince yourself about needing features that you'll likely never use.
Just up front, this is good conversation. I enjoy this. I hope there isn't any perceived hostility here.
Now, onto the reply. You posted single-card results and I posted multi-card results; 5 frames per second in DiRT is actually quite large and will have an extra impact as time goes on, especially once I get to over-clocking the GPUs when the warranty runs out in about two months. Metro 2033 shows some slowing, and on Z68 I can only imagine it would be worse. Even still, I get some slow-downs when those 3D particle effects are in full force (needs Nvidia PhysX to fix, or a CPU over-clock :D) I only wish they had stuffed in a Sandy Bridge comparison. That said, Anand doesn't analyse frame times like Tech Reports (they ought to) so that may not even be telling the whole story. They also didn't test any other titles apart from those two, which is weird. That PCI-E 2.0 rating is also at x16/x16, where Z68 would have been worse at x8/x8. The best X79 performance was using PCI-E 3.0 x16/x16...even SB-E can take advantage of PCI-E 3.0, they manually set it to PCI-E 2.0 just for comparison. Basically, look at the green bars.
To address your curiosity, I built my computer before Ivy was out by about a month. The i7-2700K was pretty young and I had originally priced the AMD FX-8150 against the 2600K; X79 only popped up once I totalled how much my builds were costing. None of the NF200 boards made the ratings cut-off. The idea with this PC became building the absolute most future-resilient computer with most top-shelf components I could afford. My last computer was also a Socket 939 Athlon 64 3200+ coupled with a GeForce 7800 GT and it lasted me nearly 8 years. However, because of the socket, I couldn't feasibly upgrade it without spending as much as an entirely new PC as early as 2007, and being stuck with that single core was becoming a serious impediment toward playing newer games or efficiently using newer programs by March 2011. I didn't want to get hosed like that again. Hence, my preference for X79 (and AMD). This ended up being my first Intel computer since 1995.
Really, my main point is that if you think you want to be building an Ivy Bridge computer using the maximum performance i7-3770 and also think you might want to go multi-card at a later date, it's worth it to consider X79. A board can be had for the same price as the good Z77 boards, and you actually can benefit from the increased PCI-E bandwidth even now with the current high-end GPUs, to say nothing of what the next generation will bring, and GPUs are improving in performance at a much higher rate than CPUs. Yes, the i7-3770 is actually faster than even the i7-3960X in quite a few tasks, but you are very rarely CPU limited in games and productivity applications are quickly moving to take advantage of heterogeneous computing. If you do a lot of photo or video editing, or any kind of productive rendering at all, the increased memory bandwidth from a fully-loaded quad-channel board could help, too. I dislike 1155 because it no longer has any upgrade path. I bought a Socket 939 CPU at the end of Socket 939's life, and I got shafted on that end. Had I waited and jumped on AM2, I wouldn't have had to upgrade for another two or three years. I thought 8 years on high settings was a good run but 10 would have been an incrediblelife-span for a computer. I suspect I will be able to achieve that with this computer. I do not believe LGA 1155 will be so fortunate. And for what it's worth, I thought $2000 for what I crammed into this machine was pretty damn good. My only regret is that Nvidia didn't release the GTX680 sooner, and not for performance reasons.
Just to get back to the beginning, all of this came about because Warlord wanted (needed) to build a new rig and you guys jumped on him for his choice in platform. I told him X79 in a private conversation because I know he does multi-card and I know he doesn't want to have to upgrade again for awhile. He was really only toying with the idea of going Intel in that conversation and was ready to jump AMD, partly because AMD sockets have longer lives. That would be dandy except I thought that Socket AM3+ was also on its way out (I had missed an announcement in September saying it was extended to cover Steamroller in 2014). So now he has himself a board that still has one more refresh waiting for it and a cheap, 2.4GHz, 60 quid Xeon to run it on for awhile...which is already leaps and bounds better than his old Phenom I computer and is probably faster than a Bulldozer/Piledriver core. I'd say he made out like a bandit.
Now, if Intel changes its mind and gives 1155 one more go-around OR decides not to update LGA 2011 CPUs, then the joke is on me. However, I have to work with the best information that I have.
To be fair, I feel you're over hyping LGA1155, it has no more cycles and the LGA2011 board I got was far cheaper than any comparable LGA1155 [£84 inc P&P].Quote:
Originally Posted by Btcc22
Will I need the extra features?
Probably not but having those features is the same as keeping a condom in the wallet, you may not need it but you'd rather have it on you and not need it than need it and not have it.
None. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
Does anyone know of a super cheap laptop that can run the latest openGL drivers? I need one bad for class.
So I got this built.
Specs are:
Intel i5 3470 @3.2Ghz
Corsair Vengeance dual channel kit [2x8Gb @1600Mhz]
Asus HD6770 1Gb
Asus Sabertooth P67
OCZ ZS 650W
Zalman Z11
All of this was in total ~£200 taking advantage of the currency conversion rates.
As for the MSI I posted about earlier in the thread, the cheapest chip I could find for that board was ~£200 so I went for the Asus board and i5 for cheaper than what it would have cost for the chip alone for the msi..
Oh and the memory cooler there cost me £5 off Ebay.
PSU and HDD as well as DVD-ROM were from an existing build.
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1676ae06.jpg
So you're telling me for $310, you got an Ivy Bridge i5, Sabertooth motherboard, 16GB RAM, HD6770, and Zalman HSF? What about the case and fans?
And judging by the amount of cables lying around, you're not done with the build yet?
I'm telling you that Ebay and sniping auctions is an excellent way to get decent hardware for a cheap price.
The motherboard was sold as faulty, all it needed was the bios being upgraded and it works perfectly fine.
I already had the PSU from my former system, same with HDD, Ram I got from Amazon during the boxing day sales, same with the case so that was 75% off for the ram and around 55% for the case.
Cables need tidying up but as it stands, the cooling I have is good enough that the RAM is 5*C lower than the room temperature.
Time to replace that CPU cooler...
eBay? Say no more. And here I was thinking everyone bought from retailers. Hmm, that has me thinking. Off to the eBay for an HD 7850!Quote:
Originally Posted by =sw=warlord
So yeah, I wanted a SSD, so while I was at that, I wanted to cleanup my computer which meant a new case, water cooling would be nice and some more RAM so transformation:
http://i.imagebanana.com/img/vb1hhp0c/Comp1.jpg
http://i.imagebanana.com/img/nt8jlamo/Comp2.jpg
hipster photo effect included
need some more cables and then I am finished
AMD Phenom II X4 955 (not sure if I want to OC yet)
ASUS M4A79XTD EVO
NZXT Kraken X40
NVIDIA GeForce 275 GTX (I wanted the 650 TI but only because of the smaller size and DX11, the performance difference is not that great)
4GB to Corsair LowProfile 8GB
2x 1TB WD Green
1x 3TB WD Green
1x Samsung SSD 840 Pro
I had that case too, terrible cable management whenever I owned it, but there was nothing I could do. Now I have a coolermaster HAF 912. Some may think it's ugly, but this thing is fucking amazing at management.
Yes the old one (Antec 300 I think?) was terrible at cable management. The new case is a Fractal Design R4. I thought I ordered the window version but I received the closed side panel with the ugly side fan intake which I wasn't going to use in the first place. So what I did I exchanged both side panels and they do fit. The other side panel was slick and white, now full of pictures and stuff. Now it looks like a fridge xD
I also tried to OC but after realizing that my Phenom is a C2 stepper, the max I could get out was 3.6GHz at 1,425V. Which sucks a tad because 1,5V was idling at around 46°C.
Well i'm using a 925 at stock clocks, but my moderate clock I used to use was 3.5GHz which ran extremely cool (21C gaming) on my hyper 212+ cooling.
You got a great case though, if I had the money it would've been that or the other one everyone is getting.
That cpu fan in your old case is enormous.
i havn't seen a cpu fan like that in 10 years. literally.
OK so here's my plan for the next few months, I'll be documenting it in a build on overclock.net or elsewhere but I'll make sure to post links to updates here.
- Corsair Obsidian Series 900D Full Tower
- Intel Core™ i7-3930K Processor, 3.20GHz w/ 12MB Cache
- Corsair Hydro Series H100i Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler
- Gigabyte GA-X79-UP4 w/ Dual DDR3 2133, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan, USB 3.0, 4 Way CrossFireX / SLI
- Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB DDR3 1866MHz CL9 Quad Channel Kit (4 x 4GB)
- Crucial M4 2.5in SATA III Solid State Drive, 512GB
- 2x WD 4TB RE Enterprise Hard Drive, SATA III w/ 64MB Cache
- LG 14x Internal Blu-Ray Writer
- 2x EVGA GeForce GTX TITAN 6GB PCI-E w/ Dual DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort
- Corsair AXi Series AX1200i Digital Modular Power Supply
I'll be getting the parts in increments, holding off on the motherboard, processor, and RAM until Haswell comes out. However I think all the other stuff is fairly set in stone at this point, though not all coming in the initial build. For example, I'm only getting the SSD to start and the hard drives will come later. Additionally, I'm only going to get one Titan initially and get the second one after living with one for awhile.
After the base build I'll get my own HP ZR30w or Dell U3014 monitor, then the second Titan, then two more of the monitor I chose. Then the hard drives go in and other optional stuff. After that, watercooling (hence the 900D).
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I'd hold off on buying hardware till after Haswell gets benched.
Well, getting the 3014s wouldn't be a bad idea.
I'd say go for a single Titan, but I'm curious as to how nVidia is wanting to refresh them. If there's going to be a 700 series Titan it seems a bit silly. 800 series wouldn't be too bad considering how long it will be till that happens.
But a new CPU and such is a meh idea.
DDR4 is hitting servers with Haswell and that'll be a fucking huge leap when it's pushed to mainstream. Unless you can't play your current games at 1920x1200, hold off on serious hardware investment. This is especially true if all you are planning is to use it for general gaming. It's really painful to see a GTX680/690 roll out "so soon" after dumping so much into a 590 and have it do a considerable percentage better (30-60% higher in some cases). That gap is just going to get bigger when DDR4 rolls in just as DDR2 got raped when DDR3 started getting cheap.
I said that I'd be waiting for Haswell to come out and get tested before buying the CPU/mobo/memory.
Getting a Titan for the VRAM obviously, since it's the only Nvidia card with that much so far. I doubt there will be a 6GB VRAM 700 series right off the bat. The higher VRAM is great for the large resolution displays I'm planning on running, that's why I went with the Titan instead of 690's or triple 680's.
Additionally, I've been telling myself that I'll upgrade for almost two years now without ever doing it because I'm always waiting for the next best thing. At some point you need to bite the bullet and just buy your new system. I'm holding off for Haswell but as soon as we see some benches there I'm making a decision.
get 3 titans an 64GB of ram or you're not hardcore
and a 1tb SSD, and two CPU's
I know this is a thread about building computers, but I'm a big laptop person versus a desktop person. I'm not thinking about buying anything new soon, but I would like to know what would be an example of a great gaming laptop? Please, don't be sarcastic with your response because I know it's absolutely tempting.
I'm actually running through my own magical adventure of dealing with laptops. I'd love to help you out more, but seeing as how I know nothing severely helpful, I cannot help out. I've been using Notebook Check as resource to help upgrade my very bland clam-shell. I suggest you check them out.
Realize though that if you are flat-out buying a gaming laptop, it's going to cost a lot.
Here's a really helpful hierachy chart for the GPU's:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ew,3107-7.html
As you can see, the 680M is barely as good as a desktop GTX 295, 480, 570, etc...
Believe it or not, the Alienware M17x is actually a pretty good value. You get the best performance you can get in a gaming laptop short of buying the monstrous, SLI/Crossfire-capable M18x, you get a full HD screen, you get aluminum construction, you get backlit keys, and you get a phenomenal-for-its-class five hour battery life.
In the grand scheme of high-end laptops, it's also not that expensive if you configure it right. Leave out the RAM and HDD upgrades and buy those third-party. Max the GPU and know when it's not worth it to get a better CPU. Get the BD-player.
Personally, if I had cash to blow on a gaming laptop I'd be looking at the Razer Blade v.2. I know it's neither the most powerful nor the best on battery, but its subtle-but-not-so-subtle character really appeals to me. It's also got a track-pad in one place where I think all laptop track-pads ought to be, and then there is its lack-of-thickness.
So between selling my old card and the free metro last light that comes with some Nvidea 600 series cards, I figured I could get a pretty good deal on an upgrade. I was originally looking to get a 660ti, but its performance gain over the 660 is minimal, especially considering the 100 dollar price gap. The 660 is ~200 dollars. I figure I can sell my 560ti for at least 100 bucks, and free metro is worth 50, so thats not a bad deal.
I noticed something though:
My current card is an EVGA GTX 560ti: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130604
I'm looking at an EVGA GTX 660: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130825
The (E: some of) 600 series cards only have 192-bit memory, while my older 560ti has 256. I googled around, and I can't find a reason for this. Does anybody know why they do that? The posts I've seen online say this memory bandwidth restriction makes the card not worth it.
I value performance over graphics. I will put everything on low to achieve 60fps if I have to. I don't want to do that with Last Light though, and for the price I could get a newer card at, I'm really on the fence about what to do here. Input anybody?
Yeah, it looks pretty freaking awesome. I love that screen, computer size, and light-up keyboard. On top of that, technology is currently at a point where it's so good that it can run most everything I want it to, so the minimum specs (aside from using NVIDIA GTX over AMD, fuck that) would probably be outright overkill as is. I'm not running anything like Crysis too, so I honestly have no reason to need superpower.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
Obviously, price bites. Even in today's market these kinds of Laptops don't fall below $999 (which is what I paid for my undergrad Laptop, which is still pretty good all things considered).
You're not comparing the same line of cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donut
Successor to the GTX 560ti is the GTX 660Ti not the GTX 660.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130809
the 660ti has that same 192bit memory situation going on.
Hmm, did not know the Ti's were 192-bit. Looks like it's more than made up for by architecture and clocks in the benches, though.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/547?vs=647
You can compare the 660 vanilla in there as well. Anandtech doesn't have a nice way to compare more than two.
Ooo that site is cool. just eyeballing it looks like the 660 is about a 25% improvement on everything my 560ti does. considering the ~150 i would get back between selling my card and free metro, that seems worth it. is ~50 bucks for a 25% increase in performance worth it at this point? im still on the fence.
600 series are built like midrange parts. The memory runs at a much greater clock speed on the 600 series cards to make up for the narrower memory bus. :)
You didn't know AnandTech? Now you do. Everybody should know AnandTech, there are very few tech hardware sites as thorough, unbiased, and well-edited. Look at their review of the HTC One to see what I mean. TechReports is comparable, but a little broader in scope. I also don't recall them having that handy-dandy CPU/GPU Bench comparison feature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donut
So I revised my build a little...
http://lancersedge.dyndns.org/stuff/...9-Build-04-25/
Again, the WD drives and second Titan are coming LATER. Initial build will exclude them.
I still need one of them fancy 3930Ks. That's my next upgrade...if I don't get irritated into buying a PCI-E sound card first.
Goddamn. Dropping almost $6k on a PC? Haven't seen someone do that in a while. What's it being used for again?
Porn and e peen stroking
isn't haswell coming out this year derplancer?
He doesn't have his planned 3x3014s in there either. That'll be another 4500 dollars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amit
I think he'll be using it to watch HD movies.
still not enough memory you're going to run out of ram if you open firefox...
ya a firefox memory leak joke in 2013 you heard right
holey moleyQuote:
Originally Posted by InnerGoat
Gaming, video editing, and general use.
Also I'm a computer enthusiast so I don't need an excuse. Cost comes out to just over $5,000 at my price.
Nearly twice the price for not much of a performance boost over a $2000 computer. Waste, even by enthusiast standards. The i7-3930K is the most valuable component in your build, and spending on 1866 MHz RAM is, by every account I have read, a pointless gesture for Sandy-Bridge-based systems.
