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However it's the lowest frequency memory that we stock for the Dominator Platinum series. It does give slightly better performace, not a lot, and probably not worth it, but I don't really give a fuck. The Dominator Platinum memory is awesome looking and I'm going for a very sleek looking system considering the amount of money I plan on spending on it.
I'd say the X79-UP4 is probably of better value than the 3930k TBH.
Low Profile Vengeance 1600 MHz. Cheaper, sleeker.
As for value, I was merely talking from a performance standpoint. Your motherboard is going to affect your performance rather insignificantly in comparison.
I'm going water cooling so I don't care about the LP memory, and the heatsinks on the normal Vengeance and Dominator memory DO actually dissipate slightly more heat than the LP modules. I'm not going to water cool the memory so the nice heatsinks on the memory are handy. They also look great when you have a bank of Platinum modules installed.
The lightbars on the Dominator memory are hot as well.
My friend gave me a challenge to build him a computer to use professionally with MAYA photoshop etc. Seeing as how most of you use these on the regular bases I wanted to see what you thought of the build.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H60 74.4 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($69.98 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77N-WIFI Mini ITX LGA1155 Motherboard ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($116.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Sandisk Extreme 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($179.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card ($260.00 @ Newegg)
Case: BitFenix Prodigy (White) Mini ITX Tower Case ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On IHAS324-98 DVD/CD Writer ($22.29 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1492.17
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-01 18:39 EDT-0400)
So yeah I went with 3770K and 660 TI. I'm wondering tho if for Maya PS and video editing a server class CPU would be more useful than having the 660ti.
Also, this setup is also meant to be a hackintosh.
Agreed. The Vengeance's heatsinks reminded me of a cockatoo's crest. That and massive heatsinks on RAM are nothing more than gimmicks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
PCPartPicker? Never heard of it. I do all of my research the old fashioned way, by digging through Google search results. Though for actual purchase, I normally jump straight to NewEgg and call it a day; less hassle. Good choice on Nvidia for the GPU though, better support from appropriate content-production software. I would probably ditch the Seagate for a Samsung Spinpoint or a WD Caviar Black. SanDisk thus far seems to have a decent track record with SSDs, but I'd personally go with Crucial M4, Samsung 830/840, or Plextor M5.
I have water cooling. Sure, it's closed loop, but I chose the LP Vengeance entirely on its looks, since for the price there wasn't anything better performance-wise. If your RAM is actually overheating at all, then you either have an airflow problem in your build or you've pushed the overclocking too far, as RAM doesn't generally get that hot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cortexian
I just don't see how you can justify the price jump for Dominators given the lack of any appreciable benefit. If you were building an AMD rig (lol, Freelancer not using Intel/Nvidia...rich), sure.
Its not a noob tool to make 1337 gaming pc's. General idea is to build the entire system and it automatically finds the cheapest way to build it, and at the same time depending on specs it can give you expected benchmarks of your setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
Also please you people that use Maya, more CPU and less GPU or more GPU?
I was being sincere, I had honestly not ever heard of it until this thread.
PCPartPicker is popular with the Reddit community. Their /r/BuildAPC subreddit is highly useful for discussion on these things and PCPartPicker's mardown export option makes it easy to display your components in your thread on Reddit. If you want a source outside of Modacity, you could use Reddit and the PCPartPicker community itself. I always find some cool new insights from both.
Lifehacker put it perfectly:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Henry
Yeah PCPartPicker is awesome, we actually had someone at work contact us about /r/BuildAPC wanting to know if we could help them out with some discounts in exhange for some publicity on Reddit.
Speaking of which, I'm not paying retail for any of this. The Dominator memory has some crazy markup on it, so don't worry I'm not paying retail price!
Well, that's a relief about the Dominator price. Just such a waste for what it is; the only worse value out there would be the Core i7-3960X.
Any Intel Extreme processor more like. Now I'm going to have to look up the costs on those at work tomorrow... I bet they're not marked up much though, like the Titans.
Anyway, the process has begun!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S63euAHsF-U
Gigabyte teases high-res UEFI interface for motherboards supporting Haswell:
That color scheme makes me think they stuck with the black/orange colors that the Z77-UD7 used.
Gross.
Fuck UEFI, bunch of trojan-horse garbage-ware.
lol wow, someone's upset
Yea I'm not really a fan of UEFI either, never had issues with the regular old BIOS menus. I'm glad they include them since I'd rather use that then UEFI.
Its entire existence is based around giving software vendors (like Microsoft) the ability to lock down hardware at the firmware level. It's an infection lying dormant, waiting to be sprung on us when the time is right, i.e. when Microsoft finally kills off the traditional home PC (which is actually what Windows 8 is all about starting). Except, luckily for us, that won't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by InnerGoat
But seriously, there is nothing UEFI does that a brand new version of BIOS wouldn't have been able to do, and who the fuck needs mouse support and pretty colours here? Who honestly asked for that?
Fags.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
This should be your next build freelancer:
^ should be his current build. You're not true enthusiast until you have 4 Titans XD
It's like buttfucking your electricity bill each day.
Don't joke, I'm thinking of getting the ASRock X79 Extreme11 motherboard so I can add two more Titans to the two I have planned (in the future as need arises).
I'm already planning on a 7680x1600 monitor layout as well. Actually I'm planning 4800x2560 but that's just a different orientation.
Edit: When I say "so I can add two more Titans" I'm referring to the fact that the GA-X79-UP4 only supports two cards at PCI-E 3.0 x16 speed. The ASRock X79 Extreme11 supports four. Is that really required? Not sure, it MIGHT BE for quad or Tri-SLI. The X79-UP4 can do quad SLI but every lane would be at x8 speed.
Just built this tonight:
CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5-3.9GHz Turbo Unlocked LGA1155 77W http://amzn.to/KuaDEU
Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UD5H-WB 2xLAN 4xUSB3 LGA1155 WiFi http://amzn.to/16NKhHQ
RAM: Corsair 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3 1600MHz http://amzn.to/NC6ltT
Graphics: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Boost Dual Fans http://amzn.to/10mI9mm
Went with a 2 TB harddrive as well as a 250GB SSD. Case isnt anything special, just some antec case with a 850W power supply. Oh, and this fan: http://amzn.to/ABOrr2
Im excited. Gonna dread installing the software tomorrow, but excited to have this.
Looks awesome, let me know how you fell about the motherboard in general and how the BIOS handles.
Everything so far seems great. I'm able to run any game I want to play on max settings with no hassle at all. I'm interested to copy my license of 3DS Max from my old PC to this though and try doing some renders to see how fast they turn out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cortexian
I did have an issue though that I'm unaware of the cause.. last night I was using origin to download my free copy of crysis and left my pc on overnight. Woke up to it bluescreening. Started the download again earlier and it bluescreened when the download got to 99% (however I was also running BF2:BC at the same time). I'm watching it now and its at 96% so im interested to see what it does this time..
Possible overheating?
Could be.. I know i have my fans set to run at normal speed but ill set my bios to let me know what their temp is if they get too hot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amit
Big RAM is big.
I see that you went with the Gigabyte board and not the ASRock. Do let us know how the UEFI implementation is, with pictures.
not enough ram!
I can go 32GB really easily. However I have 16GB of memory right now and it suits my needs as of now.
You're enthusiast. Get the 32GB and run a big RAMdisk or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cortexian
Well 32GB just means buying another pack. I'll do that in the future, but if I want a RAMdisk I'll have to go 64GB at least :P
Wouldn't bother with 32 unless you regularly use more than 8. I've tried to use 16GB and short of stupidly/needlessly large raster work I couldn't fill up much more than 10GB.
^ Why I don't have more than 8GB installed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeph
Yeah, most people don't need more than eight, for now. It is nice to have the headroom though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amit
Like Zeph, I tend to hover around 10GB during day to day use of the machine (I leave a lot open) but that includes the OS gobbling up a good amount for caching that it could manage fine without.
Probably a good choice if they're still using Etron's USB 3 controller*. The grief I've had with USB connections spazzing out on this board; unresponsive devices, the machine being brought to its knees thanks to the driver, devices being disconnected/reconnected a dozen times a second until it bluescreens. :gonk:Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
*they are but it's not the same controller. I believe Gigabyte use them too anyway.
I did not have any issues with USB controllers with either ASRock board I have owned.
X79 supremacy! _o/Quote:
Originally Posted by Cortexian
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6934/c...tigpu-at-1440p
Hmm, it seems that CPUs aren't as crucial to game performance nowadays. I guess the software engineering side of gaming has really changed since the GHz war tapered out. I remember back when people still didn't really have GPUs that could give players their team colors in Halo. Moving from a 2.6GHz to a 2.8GHz Pentium 4 would give you 5 more fps. Now, there's pretty much no difference at all.
\o_Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
And yeah, I upgraded my current rig to 16GB because Adobe Premiere gobbles as much memory as is available when scrubbing through footage.
That's assuming all games are well optimized. The ones that they used in the benchmark are not really demanding at all on the CPU. However, slap some BF3, Arma 2/3, and Planetside 2 in there and we'd see how much a good CPU is needed these days for gaming. Poorly optimized games (may or may not be the fault of the devs) are still heavily prevalent these days. Hell, even decently optimized games such as BF3 and Metro Last Light still require good CPUs to run them on very high, and max settings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeph
Metro? Decently optimized? Ha ha.
In comparison to 2033 :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
Picked up a razer deathadder mouse for my build. Absolutely love it. Anyone have any good mechanical keyboards they'd recommend getting? I'm currently using a first generation logitech g15.
TRY a Razer BlackWidow 2013 (Ultimate or otherwise) and see if you like the blue switches. If not you might want to go with a different switch-type keyboard, although I don't see the point in getting a mechanical keyboard with switches that you can't actually feel the "click" on.
Blue is a very enhanced and LOUD clicking, most people prefer and are better off with the browns.
I hate loud keyboards. What mechanical keyboard should I get if I wanted to do quiet typing? Does such a keyboard even exist?
I like blues because they stimulate ASMR for me, and it's absolutely awesome.
BTW:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh3rFCxdQuk
I have reds and to me they're great, especially coming from a Microsoft Sidewinder X4.
Can anyone explain what the colors mean? Reds? Blues?
Different styles of switches, some requre more pressure than others, some have a more distinctive "click" for tactile feedback, etc.
Also, bonus video for this weekend:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1Cyr6n_zyo
black switchesQuote:
Originally Posted by Amit
Green switch supremacy.
Rubber dome supremacy!
Deal with it.
I can't deal with it, your statement has driven me to rampancy.
:crylancer:
:saggy:
All I changed was the multi to 44.
44 is quite a way from 50. keep working on it.
46 stable 77 degrees max. Will still be able to drop the temps.
gtx 780's out. disgusting prices.
AMD get back in the game please we don't need another intel
Seems to be the trend lately with Nvidia. Overpriced and for fanboys.
$850-$910 over here. Absolutely insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackalStomper
If AMD had anything that could compete the prices might come down, and we "fanboys" might consider them as a viable alternative.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePlague
The 780 is reasonably priced considering its performance. It's 5% slower than a Titan and 25% faster than a 680. What did you expect? Same price as a 680? LMAO you're dumb then.
$659.99 seems perfectly reasonable to me.
I see Nvidia's marketing ploy worked very well on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cortexian
You know, ATI did the same thing when they had cards on the market that nVidia couldn't compete with. It's always been common practice to put cards with no competitor at a slightly higher price range than its relative performance would dictate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Btcc22
Sure, any business will do the same - it's just been taken a new level. I'm pointing out that Freelancer has fallen for it hook, line and sinker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeph
Considering the fact that I'm getting two Titans, the 780 pricing doesn't concern me. Keeping that in mind, and that I would be buying the best hardware available whenever I buy my PC, the fact that my system is costing about $5,000 is standard. Look back over the past 10 years, that's been a pretty standard price for a best-of-everything system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Btcc22
I haven't "fallen" for anything except being a computer enthusiast. It comes with a high price-tag, and since computers are my passion and hobby, it's not really that high of a price for a system that'll last me at least 6 years. You can also remake a good amount of money by using the best GPU's on the market for a couple of years, then selling them and buying the newest "best cards". You never really pay more than $200 for the next top-of-the-line card, as long as you can keep affording to upgrade.
Btw:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZqh36pL45U
As requested here's a video on the BIOS. I actually really like it, it makes the common overclocking settings easy to access in the "3D mode" and the advanced settings are fairly standard. You can actually see that the advanced settings are basically just a good old fashion BIOS layout with some fancier graphics.
Doesn't matter if the pricing doesn't concern you. Calling the pricing "perfectly reasonable" is a sure sign that you've fallen for the marketing tactics. You justified it by indirectly referencing the Titan's price. That's exactly what Nvidia wants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cortexian
Now, I'm sure plenty of us saw the price hike coming but it has nothing to do with the performance increase of the cards as you imply. It's roughly in line with what you'd expect from a new generation of cards, if you dare to call the 7xx series 'new'.
There's nothing reasonable about the pricing. It's merely Nvidia seeing how much they can get away with.
Well, assuming nVidia was out to give you the shittiest card for the most amount of money possible I'd agree with you. This is a case of them putting something out there that's in a class of its own and setting the price to match. If AMD puts out an 8k series card that relatively underperforms or is on par with while being priced higher than the 780, that would be what you're describing as marketing ploy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Btcc22
It could be argued that they are, regardless of whether AMD is competing with a single card solution. There's been plenty of fuss over Nvidia releasing mid-range stuff as top-end though, so I won't cover that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeph
Either way, I disagree with your idea of a marketing ploy. That's just being overpriced. Many are justifying the price of the 780 in terms of the Titan - an incredibly overpriced card to begin with. If that isn't marketing, I don't know what is.
Take a look at the RRPs of top-end cards for the last generations and it should be clear that things are on an upwards trend. For now, we can look forwards to paying previous top-end prices for mid-range cards.
I think you're being to much of an idealist. Nvidia is a business, and businesses are in the game of making money. They know they have the best cards available right now, in the case of the Titan, it was released with such high specs at the time that it warranted being a $1,000 card. Nothing could come close to touching it in AMD's line.
It's perfectly reasonable from a realistic perspective, and there are no "marketing ploys" to be seen, just smart business sense on Nvidia's part. Stop being a sore consumer.
Where exactly was I being an idealist? 'Smart business sense' doesn't preclude marketing ploys, it includes them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cortexian
A business can price their products however they see fit but that doesn't mean I have to agree with their valuation. Just as you're free to believe that the Titan warrants the price and buy as many of them as you can afford, I'm free to believe that it was an overpriced marketing piece and an incredibly foolish investment to make for most that bought them.
There is no 'sore consumer', only sensible consumer.
It's not like $1,000 cards are anything new. All of the dual-core GPU's and special edition cards have been up there or even higher. That's the standard price for all Nvidia and AMD enthusiast cards. The GTX X80 and HD X970 cards are starting to edge into the enthusiast realm, while the GTX X70 and HD X950 series are becoming the standard high performance cards.
That's why their prices are shooting up to match. Intel and Nvidia are going to obviously keep taking advantage of AMD's limitless failure to compete. If you can't see the value in enthusiast cards though (including their resell value), then sucks to be you. I'll be able to sell both my Titans in a couple of years for $800 and spend a couple hundred more to get the next latest-and-greatest enthusiast cards. Rinse and repeat for 6-8 years.
It's more understandable that the dual GPU cards are higher priced when they're essentially two top cards sandwiched together and typically represent a much larger performance boost than we've seen going from the 480/580/680/780. The special edition cards of which you likely speak are generally overpriced marketing pieces too, hence being special edition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cortexian
Even though there's not a huge difference between the x70 and x80 cards. Clearly the only distinction you're making between enthusiast and high performance is a huge leap in price.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cortexian
As I've already said though, "high performance cards" are now going to be priced at what you would usually expect to pay for an "enthusiast card". The pricing tiers have been shifted, in part thanks to the Titan. Even last gen cards have no reason to drop in price with this strategy. Hopefully AMD will present a solid line-up and drive them back to where they were.
I highly suspect that your Titans' resale value going to depreciate by more than 20% in the next couple of years. It's already taken a huge knock today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cortexian
Citation required.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cortexian
AMD having nothing that can touch the Titan is unequivocally false. The HD 7990 outperforms the GTX 690, the the GTX 780, and the GTX Titan. You can say "oh, but it's a dual chip" all you want, but that was not a parameter. Given that the GTX 690 also outperforms the GTX Titan, I'd call that impressive. AMD also dominated Nvidia's performance during the HD 7000-series vs. GTX 600-series battle, producing better numbers in benchmarks and in most games. AMD frame times were vastly more consistent. I expect the HD 8000-series to be at least on par with GK110, though I won't be at all surprised if it outperforms. AMD has been on a slow, steady march upwards in performance that Nvidia has only just barely managed to stay ahead of until HD 7000, where AMD finally caught and surpassed them. Unless Nvidia has a real game-changing architecture, I don't see them reclaiming the dominance they enjoyed between the GeForce 7000 and the GTX 500 series.
So really, AMD not even remotely competing? Please. The only ace Nvidia has is PhysX and it's a borderline case at that. The industry is stupid for even using it at all post-acquisition. A closed standard is a bad standard. You want the best of the best? You should have bought two HD 7990s.
It over performs in synthetic benchmarks. Dual-GPU cards have always had really bad driver support and real world support in games. That is why the Titan is still the best bet in the market today.
It did well in games, too. Also, the 7970 was a more powerful card than the 680, so where are the points for that? AMD won the contest last generation, plain and simple.
If Nvidia are so great then that must be why both the next xbox and ps4 are using AMD right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cortexian
Nvidia actually turned away the offer last i read. They like their high margin hardware :ohdear:
More like they're more invested in the idea of phones becoming low-end home computers more than consoles getting another refresh.
A year and a half from now is when nVidia's roadmap has them connecting your phone to wireless monitors, keyboards, and mice for computing.
AMD GPU's are also much more affordable, we all know that every single console sold is a profit loss. They already cost more to produce than they retail for... Going AMD was their only option really.
Eh, for a given price-point the performance levels are too similar for that to be a reason. More likely is that the AMD solution is integrated and there is no comparable offering from Nvidia on account of them lacking an x86 license.
Welcome to the club. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cortexian
Who here's had to RMA through EVGA? Video is flickering through two of my 590's DVI ports and I'm the process of talking with support. What's likely to happen? For some reason I doubt they have 590s in the back room to ship back to me.
With any luck, you'll get a 690. :D
They have to give you something of equivalent specification/speed. You'll get a refurbished card either way, most likely a 590 (it's not that old). You might luck out and get a 690 or a couple of 670's or something.
So what do you guys think of the Haswell line up? I'm thinking about building another PC before the year is out. Maybe something a bit smaller in a mATX case, but with more performance than my current machine. I'm not sure about it yet, though. I'm still skeptical about going back to Intel when it comes to future upgrades considering there's a new socket for this generation of Core processors.
So, I made a deal with my step-dad. He purchased his last PC for about $500 with the intent of using it for video games. Sadly, he bought it prebuilt from a store, and it lacks any sort of official capacity to play games. The bet was that I could build him a decent gaming PC, capable of playing much more modern and demanding games, for under $500. The rule is, with the budget of $500, whatever isn't used to pay for the PC he will give to me.
He believes it's not possible. He's not really well informed.
CPU: Intel Pentium G860 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI H61M-P31/W8 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($45.88 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Smart Tracer 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Toshiba 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Athena Power CA-GSB01DA (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($27.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Logisys 575W ATX12V Power Supply ($21.98 @ Outlet PC)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $337.78 Shipping, taxes, and discounts included.
I think I'm going to pocket a little over $150.
EDIT: And I am so completely in love with PCPartPicker. <3
If you have Sandy or Ivy, there is no point to Haswell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amit
So, a guy I know is wanting to get a new computer to play CoH 2, because his old one is 5-1/2 years old and he has been playing everything at lowest settings for the past year plus. Do you guys think it's worth it to go full i7 4770 (8 threads/8MB L3/$320) or be more frugal with an i5 4670 (4 threads/6MB L3 cache/$230)? From what I can tell, the difference in performance is 5-10% in most applications and about 10-20% in tasks that rely heavily on multi-threading. Does that justify a 40% increase in price?
And I'm not talking about the K models. He's not going to overclock. The only wrinkle is that the 4770K has a slightly higher base clock than the locked version, so I can't tell from these reviews how much of the extra performance over the 4670 is coming from the extra threads/cache and how much is due to the higher frequency. If we go with the i7, it will be the 3.4 GHz 4770 and not the 3.5 GHz 4770K.
You're either going to pocket less than $1 or you've probably not stretched the $500 far enough. That or you're a cheat. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by NneYaTano
$500 - $337.78 = $162.22Quote:
Originally Posted by Btcc22
I pocket the difference from between the budget and the price of the components. I'm not expecting that I'm going to receive exactly the amount I just checked, but I know I'm going to land around there. That's what the whole thing is about. And I'm cheating anyways because all my step-dad needs is a graphics card, some RAM, and maybe a new processor. But building a computer from the ground up is fun, so I went and selected everything I would need.
My point was that you could easily utilise that spare money to build an even better machine, so why wouldn't you? Ah, right.Quote:
Originally Posted by NneYaTano
Why are you going with intel? And i'd at least get a 7790 for him, they've been going on sale on and off lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by NneYaTano
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=-1&IsNodeId=1&Description=7790&bop=And&Order=RATING &PageSize=20
And you can check here time to time to get cheaper deals.
http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/
AMD released more APU's, codenamed Richland:
http://sites.amd.com/us/promo/produc...nvincible.aspx
Be a good kid and put the rest of the money into a better CPU/GPU for Father's Day.Quote:
Originally Posted by NneYaTano
