Battlefield Tri-hard

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Originally Posted by BobtheGreatII

I hate to say it. But I have to back that. I would rather edit my kits mid game than have to do it outside on a webpage.

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Or just fucking nix that website shit all together and have a menu in game like they have on the console. The in-game shit on the console doesn't tell you the descriptions of anything, where the menu editor does. I'll go games without changing up any attachments or weapons (equipment is another story). Then after I'm done for the day, I'll go into the menu editor and thoroughly check what I want to change.

TLDR: This game is a fucking crock of shit on both platforms because DICE and EA don't know how to or won't develop for the player. Glad I got this game (limited edition too) used and for less than full price. Running around in-game may make you forget the shitty experience you have while outside the match...well, right up until you go up against players using USAS and frag rounds like it was going out of style. Then you remember how shitty in-game can be.

If they fucking balanced the game correctly like in traditional BF games then we wouldn't need Normal and Hardcore modes. There would be one mode and people would would stop moaning.

Also, Lvlcap gaming has one of the coolest BF vids I've ever seen. The jets on his team are actually fucking helping their team mates on the ground and it looks fucking badass from the view Lvlcap had in his Viper:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...;v=MZmuwp25b4c

In other news the PS3 gets the new patch in 4 days. No word yet on the PC or 360. They also claim the 360 and PS3 will be getting the "Rent A Server" feature.

http://battlefieldo.com/threads/patc...nnounced.4461/

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Originally Posted by Amit

If they fucking balanced the game correctly like in traditional BF games then we wouldn't need Normal and Hardcore modes. There would be one mode and people would would stop moaning.

Also, Lvlcap gaming has one of the coolest BF vids I've ever seen. The jets on his team are actually fucking helping their team mates on the ground and it looks fucking badass from the view Lvlcap had in his Viper:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MZmuwp25b4c

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Typical game when I play.

I seriously think you guys just need to find some good servers and favorite them. That video of them in the helo is pretty much exactly what a friend and I do, they even had the same vehicle customizations that we do (ECM/Flares and Heatseekers/TV Missile). I used to experience a lot of the BS issues you guys talk about when I first started playing but as you play more and get some experience you find that EVERYTHING has an easily accessible counter-weapon/vehicle. Find a server that has competent pilots in the air and both the ground-game and air-game are significantly improved.

Servers I usually recommend:
NCIX
Overclock.net / OCN
EVGA
REDDIT (sometimes this server is really gay though)
BF3i.net


Obviously there are still some seriously broken things, like Mobile AA being extremely overpowered against Infantry since they take to much damage to kill. And that Infantry-held AA missiles often kill the pilot without Disabling/Destroying the vehicle (I rage sooooooooo much at this).

Correction: as you adopt some of the cheap, dickless, CoD-like tactics, your K/D improves.

Weird, I didn't realize that CoD had vehicles. :confused:

No really though, you need to stop playing Hardcore because as it stands it's even more broken than Normal-mode. Pretty much everyone I know that has extensively tried both types agrees (I'm talking Colonel 20 stars and higher, so yes they generally know what they're talking about).

There's a reason that LvlCap only plays on Normal servers. Btw, I didn't post that video to show off their "skills" or something. I posted it just for you guys to see how cool it looks up in the sky when jets try to engage enemies that others are actively fighting.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Kjv3lL4VqRM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SI_sCKnCh0I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=M-7ndcOMXYI

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Originally Posted by Cortexian

Weird, I didn't realize that CoD had vehicles. :confused:

No really though, you need to stop playing Hardcore because as it stands it's even more broken than Normal-mode. Pretty much everyone I know that has extensively tried both types agrees (I'm talking Colonel 20 stars and higher, so yes they generally know what they're talking about).

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Pro-tip: being Colonel means absolutely nothing about how much you know about the game. All it means is you've spent a great deal of time playing; even the worst player will reach Colonel within a reasonable amount of time since the game gives you points for just breathing.

Pro-tip II: I'm not just talking about vehicles (and yes, certain CoD games do have vehicles).

Normal is absolutely more broken than Hardcore. Go play BF2, the come back to BF3, and tell me which mode better resembles BF2, which is the superior game.

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Originally Posted by Warsaw

Pro-tip: being Colonel means absolutely nothing about how much you know about the game. All it means is you've spent a great deal of time playing; even the worst player will reach Colonel within a reasonable amount of time since the game gives you points for just breathing.

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And thus, gaining experience on how all the game mechanics work and what's balanced or not. Thanks for pointing out why I mentioned it though!

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Originally Posted by Warsaw

Pro-tip II: I'm not just talking about vehicles (and yes, certain CoD games do have vehicles).

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Perks don't count as vehicles since they're temporary. If there are actual vehicles in older CoD multiplayer they still don't compare to vehicle mechanics in Battlefield.

Though, with some of the terrible pilots I've had in BF3 attack helo's I can see why you might confuse the resemblance to attack helicopter perks from CoD:MW series.

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Originally Posted by Warsaw

Normal is absolutely more broken than Hardcore. Go play BF2, the come back to BF3, and tell me which mode better resembles BF2, which is the superior game.

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Normal plays the most like BF2 with the exception of Infantry health and everything related to it. It's also significantly more polished and balanced than the Hardcore mode and thus, less broken.

I've only played in ONE hardcore server on BF3 that was similar to BF2, and it was back a few patches when server admins were able to modify lots of settings like player and vehicle health and damage amounts. Basically the server admins were able to tune the servers how they wanted. This was obviously removed because people farmed their way to level 100 extremely easily by adjusting certain things and playing on small maps with friends to boost extremely effectively.

You can spend a great deal of time playing and still not know how to play. Case-in-point: most of the Colonels in the game. Yes, let us just sit in the rubble with our sniper rifles and/or bipod machine guns and pay attention only to K/D. Let's sit in a Helo all day just shooting ground targets, not actually helping anybody cap because as soon as we take a hit we run away like the little pansies we are rather than make sure our job is done. Let's park that tank on a hill and use it as artillery instead of as cover for infantry trying to take a point or arm an MCOM. Let's fly jets around, thinking air superiority matters in the slightest when in fact it doesn't matter at all because rocket pods are woefully inadequate next to the old bombs and aren't really something to fear. Let us just sit there and fire rockets into a choke-point all day and rack up points rather than flank the enemy and take his home base.

Driving a tank definitely counts as a vehicle, sorry. World At War is practically the same game as CoD4, MW2, etc. except it has World War II weapons. They even put dot-sights on the guns, replacing the dot with a string. But you are focusing too much on the vehicles. BF3 adopts so much more from CoD including:
- 1 shot hit anywhere sniper kills (patched in on BC2, wasn't originally there)
- Piss-easy sniping in general
- Quick-scoping (courtesy of the ignorant straight-pull bolt perk)
- Pistols more powerful than rifles
- Spray and pray
- Recoiless laser rifles
- Encouraging camping rather than tactical play (giving the guy who can replenish his ammo special explosives? Dafuq is this?)
- Classes that hardly qualify to be called as such (way too much overlap)
- De-emphasized team-play
- No faction-specific armaments (no, BF3 has none, both sides unlock the other side's guns and they share everything in the middle)
- Regenerating health (been in since BC2)
- Upgrades that literally break the game for new players, causing them to get slaughtered until they finally unlock them
- Suppressors
- Enemies appearing on minimap when they fire (this never happened in BF2, you had to UAV or spot)
- Infinite ammo in all vehicles (aircraft don't have to touch down or fly over the air strip to rearm and repair)
- ALL Conquest maps feature uncaps, meaning there is no incentive to fight tooth and nail for flags. Might as well play CoD's domination mode.

None of the above is balanced any better in Normal than it is in Hardcore. Normal makes Medic useless, Engineer butt-frustrating, Support laughably overpowered, and Recon...well let's just say that people who religiously play Recon are among the most useless dirt-bags playing the game. They can't even C4 things anymore or call in mortar strikes.


BF3 in general plays absolutely nothing like BF2, but Hardcore is closer. You actually have to behave as a unit and be on the ball with medkits and ammo drops (because there is no commander to help you). Normal, you don't really have to worry about med-kits at all and ammo drops aren't as important because that tank that just took seven rockets to the weak point is going to kill you before you run out anyways. I actually just got through playing some BF2 today after getting turned off from BF3's crap remake B2K, and the experience was not only vastly different but also superior. You have squads actually working together to achieve a goal, you have a commander providing support via artillery, UAV spotting, and supply drops. Wake Island in BF2 is way, way better than it is in BF3. Tanks have to be escorted in or they will get demolished. Air power actually means something because the jets do some real damage, making you really want to defend your airstrip. People are in general more courteous.

So no. We didn't get Battlefield. We got Call of Duty with shiny imagery and vehicles. DICE made what is possibly one of the most up-tight, rage-inducing, generally disappointing games in recent memory. It is flat-out not what we were promised. People raging over Mass Effect think they got shafted? They don't know what shafted is. Shafted is being told that your favourite platform is the focus platform and then finding out that behind the scenes, it wasn't. Shafted is being told your platform is favoured, and then everything come first to the Playstation 3 owners. Shafted is being told that you are going to get the biggest, most comprehensive, and most refined Battlefield experience since Battlefield 2 and instead get given a bug-filled mess that removes most of the features that have defined Battlefield from the beginning.

They screwed up big-time. Unfortunately, it's still better than most other shooters that retain decently-sized player bases (such as CoD). That's the worst part about it all.