Re: Americans: We aren't selfish enough!
You know what bugs me about it? I totally fucking called it. God dammit. In 2000 I said, Gore is a dweeb, but Bush is just downright stupid, and he's going to get us into trouble. I wasn't even a teenager yet and I knew this guy was bad news. And in 2004 I had 4 years of bad news to reinforce my suspicions. And I told everybody. Look at the fucking mess we've been in so far. Get that shit out of office. And everybody fucking voted for him. He was fucking re-elected. It blows my mind. The only people worse than Bush are the people who re-elected him. And I so fucking called it.
And now, everybody is in on the "I hate Bush and his administration" bandwagon, as though they weren't the morons who elected him in the first place.
Fuck, I talked politics, and now I'm angry. It never fails.
e: I'm fucking orange! Well, would you look at that! :-3
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I didn't care who won, gore was better yes. But he's still a pawn, we were going into Iraq either way.
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True. Maybe it's for the best that we have a complete jackass in office. He makes the perfect scapegoat for all our problems. I blame Bush for the mortgage crisis. >=U
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blind
The government you elected into power.
If only.
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Flyboy
I didn't care who won, gore was better yes. But he's still a pawn, we were going into Iraq either way.
wut
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Rob Oplawar
True. Maybe it's for the best that we have a complete jackass in office. He makes the perfect scapegoat for all our problems. I blame Bush for the mortgage crisis. >=U
Actually, we have Ronald Reagen for that.
and all republicans
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blind
The government you elected into power.
Incorrect. At the time of the Bush/Gore election I was not old enough to vote, I had no say in the matter. And like I said, maybe I don't agree with everything but I'm quite happy where I am. Anyone else is more then welcome to leave. And if you all really want to start pointing fingers, then the whole blame for the turmoil in the middle east can be traced back to the stupidity of the British/French at the end of WWI.
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blind
The government you elected into power.
It was rigged.
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Incorrect. At the time of the Bush/Gore election I was not old enough to vote, I had no say in the matter. And like I said, maybe I don't agree with everything but I'm quite happy where I am. Anyone else is more then welcome to leave. And if you all really want to start pointing fingers, then the whole blame for the turmoil in the middle east can be traced back to the stupidity of the British/French at the end of WWI.
Fine be happy with it but I strongly disagree. Government is there to serve the people, not to do exactly the opposite of their will. You should not willingly hand over power to people who have an entirley different agenda to your own and simply say "I'm happy where I am, don't like it, leave." Hell I'm happy were I am too, but I would be happier if many of our national problems were fixed, simply kicking back and saying "good enough for me" will never change things for the better.
And about the "we were going into Iraq anyway" I have to say that every single candidate, from Bush to Gore to Clinton to McCain to Obama is preselected by people in power, things are not controlled by the white house or congress my friend. Democrat or Republican the people in charge get what they want...always.
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blind
The government you elected into power.
A, I wasn't old enough to vote, and B, there are a whole lot of stupid, ignorant, gullible assholes out there, they're the ones who voted Bush. I would be willing to bet that not one person here voted or would have voted Bush in the first place. Adding to that the fact that the Bush campaign had a shitload of connections, and the fact that they stole votes, your point is further crushed. You can't always blame the populace for the fact that a certain elected official is in office.
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Flyboy
Fine be happy with it but I strongly disagree. Government is there to serve the people, not to do exactly the opposite of their will. You should not willingly hand over power to people who have an entirley different agenda to your own and simply say "I'm happy where I am, don't like it, leave." Hell I'm happy were I am too, but I would be happier if many of our national problems were fixed, simply kicking back and saying "good enough for me" will never change things for the better.
And you're right, good enough won't do shit. But until I can run for president there isn't shit I, or anyone else can do (unless someone else with intelligence and balls runs for president). And some things will just never change, and that's due to human nature, and part of that we'll just have to accept.
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PenGuin1362
Incorrect. At the time of the Bush/Gore election I was not old enough to vote, I had no say in the matter. And like I said, maybe I don't agree with everything but I'm quite happy where I am. Anyone else is more then welcome to leave. And if you all really want to start pointing fingers, then the whole blame for the turmoil in the middle east can be traced back to the stupidity of the British/French at the end of WWI.
I was referring to you as in the American public as a whole. If you really didn't want him in power, you could have done something about it anyway. Something like finding like-minded individuals and holding a protest to a major government decision.
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A, I wasn't old enough to vote, and B, there are a whole lot of stupid, ignorant, gullible assholes out there, they're the ones who voted Bush. I would be willing to bet that not one person here voted or would have voted Bush in the first place. Adding to that the fact that the Bush campaign had a shitload of connections, and the fact that they stole votes, your point is further crushed. You can't always blame the populace for the fact that a certain elected official is in office.
Why can't I blame the populace?
...1 a: government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
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blind
I was referring to you as in the American public as a whole. If you really didn't want him in power, you could have done something about it anyway. Something like finding like-minded individuals and holding a protest to a major government decision.
Protest our president? Until a full blown civil war starts, never would our government put someone else into office just because the public doesn't like who's currently there. And protesting is not as effective as you'd think. Mass amounts of people have protested the war since it's beginning. You know what it got? A surge of troop deployment in the middle east.
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You can't always blame the populace for the fact that a certain elected official is in office.
Well seeing as how the president is elected by a majority vote...I think you kinda can. >_> But you can't blame the actions of the government on the population.
