Re: Oh I wish I was(n't) in Texas...
Didn't know there was a thread on this here. I was telling people that Obama needs to step up and act like a parent for a spoiled child on this one. Tell them that if their state capitals call for it, Obama would welcome them to leave. With the exception of three states, all of them absolutely rely on federal dollars to sustain themselves. Also, if they all succeeded from the states, America's obesity rate would drop by about 75%.
By the time they try to gather up local taxes to keep their schools, governments, and medical systems (hospitals) afloat they'd be begging to get back in after complaining about how they paid less taxes under the states.
State military bases would be interesting though. Especially in Kentucky.
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Zeph
Didn't know there was a thread on this here. I was telling people that Obama needs to step up and act like a parent for a spoiled child on this one. Tell them that if their state capitals call for it, Obama would welcome them to leave. With the exception of three states, all of them absolutely rely on federal dollars to sustain themselves. Also, if they all succeeded from the states, America's obesity rate would drop by about 75%.
By the time they try to gather up local taxes to keep their schools, governments, and medical systems (hospitals) afloat they'd be begging to get back in after complaining about how they paid less taxes under the states.
State military bases would be interesting though. Especially in Kentucky.
If he did this, I'd have new-found respect for him. It really is silly on the extremes people seem to want to go for this sort of thing. Right after the election, people acted like it was the end of the world. The faithful were chanting that God is in control as if the Apocalypse is inbound since their candidate did not win. According to the polls, no one gives a shit about foreign policy, which is classic American isolationism for you, but the fact that we tie our hands into so much of the world with such little concern for foreign policy is horrible. Half of America (if not more) does not know what their government is doing in the world. None of them probably realize how corrupt their government is and how deviant the desires of their local representatives are in comaprison to their own (those desires being selfish and self-promoting). We need term limits on our representatives in Congress, yet people seem to be more worried about the Presidency of a man we've already had in office (so we basically know how he's going to be for another 4 years). Our bureaucracy is a fucking mess. None of our budgets are optimized, 3/5 of the important ones are underfunded, 2 of them are overfunded, and those who realize it aren't numerous enough to change it. The numerous portions are stuck in a fairyland of ignorance (all across the nation). To the point, people need to understand what really is fucked up in this nation.
Re: Oh I wish I was(n't) in Texas...
Rossmum, you're living in a country that founded for prisoners. That is the more backward than Texas.
What I will say, there is a great deal more than you think to keep an area independent. Simply saying oh I think Texas on its own will be self-sufficient, is really a guess. You will only know once the deal has been done, it all depends on bureaucracy with outer elements.
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Rossmum, you're living in a country that founded for prisoners. That is the more backward than Texas.
What I will say, there is a great deal more than you think to keep an area independent. Simply saying oh I think Texas on its own will be self-sufficient, is really a guess. You will only know once the deal has been done, it all depends on bureaucracy with outer elements.
This part is what bothers me when people sign these petitions out of protest. They have no idea how dangerous it can be, especially for the innocent and those who don't have a choice to go elsewhere. The state could implode and many devastated in the process, all out of some self-righteous fury and rashness. People want to stay in their comfort zones instead of attempt learning to adjust and it's just frustrating to see. They don't want to overcome their obstacles. They want their obstacles to just disappear.
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I agree. Lets say for example Texas becomes its own country, I'm not entirely sure what they are petitioning for, but lets say its now a country. Do they assume they will have international deal with the US to extradict prisoners? If a Texan goes into US commits a crime, and gets arrested. Do they get tried in the US, or do they go back to Texas? How about law agencies, will they work together? Will they join some sort of North American agreement to pass intelligence from all sides, which is what Interpol does/acts as for Europe.
What about telecommunications? Will they have deals with the US over costs? Or will calling from Texas to another US state use international cost rates? Do you pay taxes to Texas or US? You will lose certain elements from the US government but all your taxes will go directly to Texas, will the new Texas lose out on money overall in the deal?
There are thousands of things you need to consider.
Re: Oh I wish I was(n't) in Texas...
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I was simply saying Rossmum that your posts come off as generalizations a lot, even if they are not. No you did not say specifically every Texan is a backwards fuckwit, but when you say the state of Texas is, then you're insulting them.
i really don't care if texans are insulted by me stating the obvious truth. they can move, they can try and change things themselves, or they can get offended because "those people are actually a minority" when that is clearly not true given the state of the... well, state.
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Now if you said the government of the Texan state or the Texas politicians or even as far as saying Texas has a lot of backwards hicks, then that's all dandy.
but why be so specific when it is not accurate? the government of texas, a good deal of its politicans, and a good deal of its citizens (clearly a majority) are cool with the state being backwards. i am not going to tiptoe around the fucking issue just to avoid upsetting snowflakes who can't handle the real world and want to pretend the place they live in isn't horrifically fucked up.
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As far as implying that Texans were backward:
Does it say all Texans? No. However, it is WAY over the top for your argument, not to mention you come off so aggressively with this history. All you had to say was the latter portion and then state that you primarily mean the vocal majority alongside the political entities of Texas. Otherwise, you're argument looks insulting to the people who aren't backwards. They still love the state (not the politcal entity per say, but the land/culture within which they live) they are in and have harmless pride because it's their home.
see above
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For example, if you said the state of Georgia was a sack of shit with nothing but hicks and rednecks, then I'd be insulted because I'm neither and Georgia is a very pretty state. My pride in Georgia is its diverse geology, crazy weather patterns, and other non-political-sociological factors.
but that is not even vaguely comparable to what i said, is it?
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In other words, to me it looks like you are grouping everyone together, when you are not, with half your arguments. Call me a fuckwit for it, but I think I'd be okay with Rossmum posts if they were always more specific. It's just you post so aggressively and kind of angrily that it's difficult to tell if you're actually wanting to gut the hell out of the other person or just blatantly stating information. The implied meaning comes of wrong. Both really lack ediquette regardless.
i am not going to distort the fucking truth by being specific where it is not appropriate. if rick perry was the only socially backwards person in texas, i would say rick fucking perry. as it happens, the entire state is, as a result of a significant portion of those who live within it either actively supporting, or being complicit with, the current regime. i am referring to the state as an entity and not to the people directly, otherwise i would have said 'texans are backwards'.
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Rossmum, you're living in a country that founded for prisoners. That is the more backward than Texas.
i assume this is a flippant comment since it is demonstrably false, as backwards and shitty as this place is (i don't know if you've noticed but i severely dislike it and am desperately trying to claw together the funds to move)
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DarkHalo003
People want to stay in their comfort zones instead of attempt learning to adjust and it's just frustrating to see. They don't want to overcome their obstacles. They want their obstacles to just disappear.
This is ironic given our conversation on steam a week or so ago, you bitched so much about Obama and how he doesn't do things the way you would prefer them to be.
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So, the British didnt set up a penal colony? Strange, so your saying history is lying?
Texas becoming independent is an idiotic idea, one that the people voting yes havent fully grasped. They want NASA to remain functioning and running operations that drives a large part of Texas's economy? Texas doesnt have an army or navy or an air force, so you would create your own or ask to borrow America's?
To me it sounds like a bunch of republicans are getting pissy because they lost the election.
Currently 0.2% of the population of Texas has signed the petition, I mean cmon really? There is no way in hell this will go through.
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Re: Oh I wish I was(n't) in Texas...
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Limited
So, the British didnt set up a penal colony? Strange, so your saying history is lying?
Texas becoming independent is an idiotic idea, one that the people voting yes havent fully grasped. They want NASA to remain functioning and running operations that drives a large part of Texas's economy? Texas doesnt have an army or navy or an air force, so you would create your own or ask to borrow America's?
To me it sounds like a bunch of republicans are getting pissy because they lost the election.
Currently 0.2% of the population of Texas has signed the petition, I mean cmon really? There is no way in hell this will go through.
NASA doesn't contribute much to our economy anymore. I know a handful of people that got lay off, because if the shuttle retirement
Texas has quite a few number of military basses
7 Air forces Basses
4 Army Basses
4 Navy Basses
Texas could automatically keep those Basses if it were to secede. Keeping those basses occupied wouldn't be much of a problem since Texas holds a large number of military recruits.
@rossmum How can you come to these conclusions when you don't even live in Texas or even in the United States. I'm sorry to tell you that what the media, and textbooks teach you is mostly misleading.
Texas contributes large amounts to the US economy whether you agree or not. It gives more than it gets in return.
The president will never allow a succession especially from Texas. There is really no point in seceding at this point.
