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Why wasn't this around during the first revision? The 9800 GTX+ was 55 mn right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Abdurahman
No. The 9800GTX+ was a G92 core at 65nm process core.
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce...Force_9800_GTXQuote:
Originally Posted by Wikipedia
My bad. They made a big deal over the 55nm of the GTS250, so I just assumed that the GTX+ was the 65nm version. I only bothered to Wiki "G92" instead of "9800 GTX+"
There was a big deal over the GTS250 because it's a slightly updated 9800GTX+
...which is 9800GTX
...which is (basically) 8800GTS 512
G92 supremacy
Too many cards to choose from with nVidia, ATi ftw..
That's why you look at the front page.Quote:
Originally Posted by paladin
huh?
You know, for that really high end build, I'm not so sure 2x GTX 295s are the way to go. I know they beat the HD4870 X2 in quadfire, but the dual GTX295s also have a record for not working at all at certain settings in certain games. Crysis at 2560x1600 comes to mind.
He just gave us Windows Vista Ultimate and a copy of XP for free.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freelancer
I think this guy's rig is the best.
I thought that quad SLI with GTX 295's was impossible... What motherboard was he using in that video? Either way, anything more than two of those graphics cards is pointless, and the performance increase would be negligible. That PC right there is nothing but a hardware e-peen extravaganza, and it has no real-life purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex
Software is fairly cheap at cost, like I said, try getting a 1TB hard drive or a good graphics card for free. If he's any kind of competent buisnessman it won't happen.
How new is this to you? Because the last I heard it's been fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
Someone's jealous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freelancer
Its you, you're jealous
That rig is more suited for crunching than it is gaming lmao. Probably capable of 50k a day depending on the WUs it gets. Fucking impressive power there.
Well of course I'm jealous, that's a killer rig in itself. Except I'd never BUY all that shit, because like I said, the performance increase once you go to three or four cards is negligible. If I was given all those components for free I wouldn't hesitate to use them all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xetsuei
It's necessary if you want to play at resolutions of 2560x1600 with maximum settings; it's not so much for the performance increase at that point as much as it is for opening up new options.
Two GTX 295's can handle that just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
That's my point...you need those uber setups like Quadfire and Quad SLI to get that performance. I was responding to your statement about negligible performance gains...it's not about the performance gain as much as the ability to do things that lesser setups can't.
Question related to graphics card bios flashing... Most factory overclocked graphics cards use the same physical hardware that the regular cards do right? For example, an eVGA GTX 285 FTW and/or eVGA GTX 285 SSC use the same hardware as a regular eVGA GTX 285 don't they?
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freelancer
Okay good, now I just need a tutorial for flashing a graphics card bios through Windows, instead of using a floppy disk (I don't have a floppy drive available). According to overclock.net it's possible with any nVIDIA cards newer than the G80 series, but they don't have a tutorial yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xetsuei
I don't personally have any experience but Syuusuke flashed his 7900GTO(a 7900GTX with slower memory) to a 7900GTX, you could ask him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freelancer
Bah, apparently I happened to pick the card that won't flash properly without a modification to the card itself...Quote:
Originally Posted by Xetsuei
Quote:
Originally Posted by 10acjed@Overclock.net
I have a question for t3h experts... or several... I'm a little undecided on exactly what to do to upgrade my computer at the moment... I can't really afford to upgrade it right now but I could probably do so in the next two or three months. I've been looking around on the internet, and I need a few statements cleared up.
One: My computer has two RAM slots for DDR2. Currently, one is filled with 1gb PC2-6400. I was thinking that 3gb would be optimum for a 32bit OS. True or false? Maybe filling up the second slot with 2gb of PC2-6400 would be the way to go. However, I have been told on another forum that with DDR RAM, you only get the double data rate if both sticks of RAM are the same size. True or false? In a local computer store, a guy told me that the double-data rate is still possible with different sized ram sticks if the first slot has the bigger one. True or false?
TWO: Would it simply be easier to order a pair of 2gb sticks off of Newegg.ca, and would my computer simply use as much of the 4gb as possible and just ignore the rest? Or would it do a crazy BSOD for having too much RAM? Again, I've heard multiple statements on this subject and I'm not sure what's correct.
THREE: Since I have only a single-core 2.4GHz Athlon... would it even be worth my money to get a graphics card as good as a 4850, for example? What's the best graphics card I could buy that wouldn't be incredibly limited by the CPU? Or, should I go for a really nice GPU like a 4850 or 4870 and then just upgrade the CPU when I have the time?
Thanks for reading all that. I'm quite the noob when it comes to upgrades :(
ONE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_channel
TWO: I'd just go with the dual 2GB sticks, that way if you upgrade to 64-bit on that same machine, there's nothing you need to change.
THREE: You have an AM2, so I don't think spending money on an HD4850 would be too bad, especially considering that your CPU is also quite upgradeable at this point (don't wait too long, or it will cost you a pretty penny to upgrade that, kinda like trying to upgrade 939s now).
Thanks for the info! "You must spread some rep around before giving to Warsaw again." I'll get to it at some point ;)
ONE: So, for the odd motherboard different dimms can be used, but for the vast majority, I should just get identical ones. Though that 5% increase isn't much, what the heck! 2x2gb it is.
THREE: So, you mean that right now, it is cheap to replace CPUs for the motherboard my computer happens to have, but in awhile it'll become rather outdated so it's good to upgrade now while it's mainstream?
ONE: Yes. Good choice. Better safe than sorry.
TWO: That's exactly what I'm saying. If I were you, I'd get both now. I don't think X2s are going to get much cheaper than they are now.
What happens if you try to use RAM with different speed together like say, PC2 5300 with PC2 4200.
Both modules will run at the lower speed iirc.Quote:
Originally Posted by 343guiltymc
^ True statement.
On a similar note, if you use two different capacity sticks in dual channel, the capacity of the lesser stick will run in dual channel on both sticks, with the remainder on the larger one being run in single channel.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16814161269
Is this a good deal now? It's a little over my budget but I never thought it would drop that low now.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121291Quote:
Originally Posted by 343guiltymc
Look at the front page you fucks, all that stuff is there for a reason.
Try harder. This one is $30 less:Quote:
Originally Posted by Xetsuei
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125256
Edit: It is slightly different, but I doubt it would matter.
Nice find llamamaster, that's a much better deal
I can't tell if that is sarcasm. D: I hope not, because it's the card I bought.Quote:
Originally Posted by InnerGoat
What are you guys talking about this is the best deal around!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121288
It also has half the memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abdurahman
Ok so after upgrading my computer, i'm going to give all my old parts to my brother. He's currently using an old recycled dell computer from ~2002 that he got for $1000NZD. 256mb ddr1 ram, shitty intergrated graphics, etc. I figured all he needs to buy is a motherboard (and thermal paste) and he's good to go. My old parts:
7600GS PCI-Express
2x1GB DDR2 533MHz
430W PSU
AMD X2 3800+ 2.0Ghz AM2+
The case is a pretty small one - Micro ATX I think. Is there anything I can check to find out if it's M-ATX or Mini ITX? If it is M-ATX and cheapness in mind, would this motherboard: http://ascent.co.nz/productspecifica...?ItemID=374759 do the trick?
If the motherboard is 9.6x9.6 inches, it's mATX. Assuming that it is mATX, I'd say that is a very good motherboard to use.
im currently running on a pair of 7800GT in SLI but they are now starting to show their age...should i sell them off to help raise some money for in the future a possible purchase of a 9800gt?
the board i currently have installed apparently supports quad SLI, i've been out of it for a while with one issue after another so i currently do not know what is on offer.
im assuming my video cards are the main bottle neck in my rig at the moment with 4GB DDR2 at my disposal i hardly run out of memory and a fairly nippy 2.66ghz core2duo my applications load pretty quick my main concern is games like crysis and UT3.
Can someone tell me what the equivalent nVidia card is for an ATI Radeon HD4870?
E: @Warsaw: Thanks, that's what I was thinking. I think I might go with a GTX 280 though.
GeForce GTX260 Core 216...it's actually a little better.
Also, is this a good build? Note: All prices are Canadian!!
*The Pioneer Drive is temporary for now, I'm thinking I might go for a BluRay drive instead.Quote:
Motherboard: EVGA 132-BL-E758-TR LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail ($329.99)
Power Supply: CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply - Retail ($174.99)
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920 - Retail ($359.99)
Memory: CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1600C9 - Retail ($123.00)
Hard Drive (2X): Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM ($299.98)
*Disk Drive: Pioneer 20X DVD±R DVD Burner Black IDE Model DVR-116DBK - OEM ($31.99)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 64-bit for System Builders - OEM ($254.99)
GPU: BFG Tech BFGEGTX2801024E GeForce GTX 280 1GB 512-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail ($371.49)
GRAND TOTAL: $1,946.42
If I were you, I'd go with the GTX285, since the GTX280 will become scarce very soon, and you need two of the same card to do SLI.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
The GTX 285 may be pricier than the GTX 280, but it's cheaper, faster, and cooler than the GTX 280 was when it was released.
Alright, add the GTX285 to my list and the total came out to CAD$2,090.12 (the card itself costs $502.70). Also, does anyone know of a relatively cheap yet sufficient BluRay drive/burner?
The 285 is pricier, yet cheaper?
Quote:
Originally Posted by 343guiltymc
.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freelancer
better than what I have (single laptop geforce 8600MGS, yes the 8600 has DX10 but the 7800GT is faster and better overall).Quote:
Originally Posted by =sw=warlord
I'd say you're fine, stick with your two 7800s unless you wanna max Crysis at 1920x1200 (in that case get a GTX 285 or 9800GT if there's good deals). A single one might suffice. Right now DX10 isn't really a must-have, so the high performance DX9c cards of the past are still capable, although those who're upgrading from whatever they have should definitely not go for them, go for something current gen.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saggy
My LG was $169.00 but i got it on sale :(
Got my Tax Refund ($2483) today and I have decided to build a new computer with it and turn my old one into a workstation for school work.
New PC
CPU: Intel Core i7 940 $569.99
Motherboard: EVGA 132-BL-E758-A1 LGA $294.99
RAM: CORSAIR 12GB (6 x 2GB) DDR3 1600 $231.00
GPU: 2x ATi Radeon HD 4870 X2 (1 @ $429.99)
(Using my current 4870 x2)
Case: COOLER MASTER HAF $149.99
HDD: pulling an unused one out of my current rig and using it for OS
Totals: $1676
plus various other parts. This pretty much sums up the core parts.
I want a new CPU cooler instead of the stock cooler because I want to overclock my i7 920 to 4GHz.
I thought about Heatsinks, but they don't give me the re-assuring heat span that I'm looking for, so I chose water cooling. But, I haven't been able to find any CPU water coolers for a VGA 1366 socket and I was wondering if anyone knew what I should buy for this situation.
Note: There's no graphics card here only due to the fact that I am waiting for new ones to come out later possibly around christmas time. Also, maybe all of this stuff will be a little cheaper during that time frame. (not that it matters in my position)
Motherboard: EVGA 141-BL-E759-A1 LGA 1366 Intel X58 SLI Classified ATX Intel Motherboard ($449.99)
Power Supply: CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply ($159.99)
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920 ($288.99)
Memory: CORSAIR DOMINATOR 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1600C8D ($166.99)
CD/DVD/Blu-Raye Drive: Pioneer Black 8X Blu-Ray DVD Burner w/ Software SATA Model BDR-203BKS ($239.99)
Floppy Drive: SONY Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive Windows 98SE/ ME/ 2000/ XP ($7.99)
Monitor: Acer H213H bmid Black 21.5" 5ms HDMI Full HD 1080P Widescreen 16:9 LCD Monitor ($199.99)
Case: Thermaltake SopranoRS VG7000BWS Black SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case (62.99)
SubTotal: $1525.93
Thanks in advance.
You don't have any integrated video on that motherboard, so unless you have a spare PCI/PCI-e GPU lying around, you must buy one.
The graphics card isn't part of the question. Leave that subject to me. I have a spare Radeon 9250
I found this: http://ncix.com/products/index.php?s...facture=Asetek
But, I don't know if there's anything better.
So, I have the desire to upgrade my PC. I have been looking at upgrading my GPU, my memory, and my PSU. I have a $120 budget for all 3 (and a little extra for any shipping). I have found some nice deals, but have never been able to assure myself that they are the best deals. I even found a reliable 580W PSU for $24. Yet I still feal like I can get a better deal.
So I have decided to recruit you, the almighty and all knowing awesome guys who I am sucking up to in hopes that you will help me. I'm hoping that you, the community of Modacity, with your infinite wealth and resources, can find me the best deal on the internet.
Please Modacity, you are my only hope.
My MoBo is in my Computer Specs, but if you want to know, my timings are 5-5-5-15.
You won't be able to get all 3 for that amount of money that are better than you current ones. And I can almost guarantee you that PSU will be complete shit, the PSU is the biggest problem because skimping out on PSUs can ruin the rest of your computer.
Actually by the sound of it's reviews it actually works. But you know what, after eating a piece of cake and thinking about it, I have decided to wait and just get a new PC when the money comes in.
Show me.Quote:
Originally Posted by spartan123209
The wire bundle is tiny. That thing can't supply 580 watts :lol:
Dude that psu won't power anything! It only has 11 amps on the 12v rail! It will barely power an 8600gt!
It says 25A are you blind
(see the product images, not newegg's listed specs. 11A is probably all it could handle though HEH.)
Yes/No?
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...IN#detailspecs
Looking for good gaming laptops so its on the "go".
I am aiming somewhere under $800
No CPU, Memory, Hard Drive, or Wireless Card included with this notebook.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobertGraham
Worst idea ever. Buy a preconfigured one...
Actually that's a laptop that you have to buy the cpu, ram, and stuff for. It'll end up costing you way more that $800.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobertGraham
Try this one instead!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834115546
E: or this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834115539
Oh, thanks for those. I didn't even see the shit at the bottom -_-'
Those are pretty good deals. I know what I want for my Birthday now :3
Anyone know any good cases with build in Air Conditioning Units? I have noise canceling Headphones, so I don't care about the noise, I do want a cool PC though so that I can overclock.
Remember: When putting in a new case, make sure to put in the pieces that move the board away from the metal part of the case, seriously, if you don't do that, your dead.
Happened to me, a few days ago, fortunately I was able to quickly upgrade ^.^
Yes and they suck. Good air cooling will do you fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by spartan123209
When i'm playing games or doing something intensive on my PC, my AMD stock fan gets damn loud. What would you guys recommend for a good cooler? I don't care about overclocking, just silence. My CPU is an AMD X2 6000+.
e: Actually it's most likely a combination between my CPU and 4850's BIG FAN. I've tried to use speedfan to alter the cpu's speed, but it's not keen to. Are there any other free programs out there that let you alter cpu fan speed?
I do believe you can enable AMD Kool n' Quiet in the BIOS if you haven't already...that's usually what AMD chips use to keep the noise down. If that doesn't do it, then it's your fan. Just go onto your favourite computer website and look for a fan that has the most favourable noise to airflow ratio...generally, 26-30dB is pretty damn quiet.
Is the radeon 4770 going to be added for the barebones build?
I have a few questions.
What's the difference performance wise of a pciex16 vs a pciex16x2 / 2.0
Would the effects be that detrimental if I were to place a pcie2.0 video card in a x16 slot?
Also, what's the performance differences when putting an AM2+ socket CPU into an AM2 board? Will the performance hit be drastic?
Depends on the card. Mid-range ones aren't going to be able to saturate a PCI-e 16x, but the higher end ones will be bottlenecked a bit by it.
With AM2+ in an AM2 socket, you basically cut the Hyper Transport down from 3600MHz to 2000MHz.
I'm thinking of getting another motherboard. Could anybody suggest something rock solid that would be nForce?
Intel or AMD?Quote:
Originally Posted by MetKiller Joe
If your going for intel, i would suggest the Asus P5N32-SLI Premium.
or MAXIMUS II
How do you determine whether or not your CPU or Graphics card would be bottlenecked by the other?
If one is high-performance and the other isn't, chances are the high-performance part is being bottlenecked.
...What region of the component (CPU/GPU) would bottleneck??
They are two separate components? I'm not sure what you are asking. As far as I know GPU won't have any impact on CPU speed, but the CPU has a massive effect on the GPU if it isn't powerful enough.
No no no no no.
What happens is that the parts of the game that are CPU intensive will run slower than whatever the graphics-intensive parts are running at, thus bringing the whole system down. Ditto goes for vice versa and for slow RAM.
It should fit, but thats going to be quite a hot toaster.
Fair enough, but yes, you would need a decent cooling fan
Sorry I haven't been able to update this in a while guys, I should be able to do it this weekend.
Shuttle SX58H7 Intel X58 Barebone - Retail
$710
Western Digital VelociRaptor WD3000HLFS 300GB 10000 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5"
$230
CORSAIR DOMINATOR 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1600C8D - Retail
$166
Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920 - Retail
$289
EVGA 01G-P3-1281-AR GeForce GTX 285 1GB 512-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
$350
Total: $1745
Thoughts? I'm not buying a computer for at least 3 months (when I start working) but I'm starting to look at what's available. I'm trying to make a Shuttle one because my last computer I could hardly carry.
I'm most iffy about the HDD (because I'm not sure it's necessary) and the GFX card (because I haven't been following the latest releases too well).
Target budget: under $2000.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGhost
Mine aswell get a 1TB HDD because they're about $120 cheaper. They may run at a 7200.1RPM, but you seriously can't notice the difference between the 10000RPM and 7200RPM
Here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...4340&name=32MB
If you decide to pick something from this list instead, don't let it be the 1.5TB Hard Drive. They're unstable from what I've heard.
Oh, also are you sure 500W will be enough? and you may want to worry about the heating of that beast inside a barebones.
other than that. It looks fine and dandy.
As a former user of a 10k RPM hard drive, yes you can notice the difference.
Where have you heard that 1.5TB hard drives are "unstable"?
And no he will have to get a different power supply, the minimum for the GTX 285 is 550W.
E: And about the cooling. Yes, you probably should get a different case (yes, I know it comes with the motherboard), maybe something that is a little bit bigger. That looks like there is hardly any space, and that the only fans are the ones for the PSU and some other very small fan. I can't exactly imagine the temperature inside of it being reasonable.
The Velociraptors don't seem all that fast until you have to use a slower drive again. ;)
Ghost you could try out one of the SSDs as well. Intel's may be out of your price range, but OCZ vertex is said to be quite a solid drive that doesn't suffer from random read/write issues.
Make sure the i7 is a D0 stepping, they are more stable and overclock better ;)
So I should probably shoot for a slightly less powerful video card? Maybe the 275?
Personally, I would, and you can spend the money you save on something else like games or some other non-pc related thing like girls :P
If you are getting the computer in 3 months, know that the Radeon HD5000 series is supposed to have already been released by that point. In your shoes, I'd shoot for an HD5850 or 5870, or whatever they call them.
As for the Shuttle, it's designed to take the high end parts, but I'd buy that ICE 2 liquid cooler for it to be safe.
Maybe I'm not as worried about heat as I should be, but most of the reviews said that it has very good cooling.
It's Shuttle. It's specifically designed to take what it says it can take, and if any company knows how to make high-end SFF PCs, it's Shuttle. You won't have to worry about much unless you are into overclocking or live in an exceptionally hot area.
Im planning on getting a external hard drive in a few weeks and have settled on this one.
Anyone have any details on iomega or suggestions of what ones i should consider?
http://www.dabs.com/products/western...tml?refs=50473
This would be much better.
Halp.
I've been alooking that this AMD motherboard for a bit and as it says it doesn't support triple Channel Memory or DDR3 1600 - Link:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813138141
Website link: http://biostar-usa.com/app/en-us/t-s...n.php?S_ID=395
I was wondering how it would hold up if I put it with this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227365
Overall, How would this effect the performance and functionality? How would I be limited? Is it not worth it?
The memory would be bottlenecked to dual-channel and if you're lucky then the RAM would automatically scale down, but if you're unlucky then you would have to underclock it :(
The board may not support DDR3 1600 memory at stock, but you can overclock to make use of it's speed.