Quick-Crit 2011

thompsons are a particularly interesting thing to model. there are a bunch of variants with very subtle differences, but it looks like youre generally going for the 1928 model with that foregrip and iron sight
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_6rLALgCBhQQ/S-...1_Promo_01.jpg

those little things are up to you to customize. what im concerned with is the grip. not the foregrip, the other grip. its really disproportional.

E: for reference the thing i posted is NOT mine. i just found that picture to illustrate my point about the handle

Ah yeah, I see it. I don't believe the handles are smoothed (maybe the foregrip is, it looks the most accurate of all of them), but I do notice now I need to clean up the stock a good bit and the grip needs an overhaul. Is there a good tut on how to add good details? I know there's a good cut tutorial somewhere on this site, but a tut about adding quality details I have not scene yet.

Am I doing this right? Never drawn in Photoshop before. Time to start blocking in colours...what are colours?

Beats me. I've been trying to color for at least 6 years now, and I STILL can't figure out how to use full colors, or color a drawing to set a certain person/object apart from the rest of the picture.

I thought I might as well post a picture of my final. I still have about four or five more pieces to add to it, as well as the little details, such as bolts and such, but this is what I have so far.
http://i.imgur.com/ASxmC.jpg

With colors, it's easier to just do a groundwork sketch, then just construct everything on top of it out of solid colors that represent the midtone of whatever color you plan to use for that area, with no outlines anywhere, just color. From there, shade and highlight with colors along that same range, just brighter or darker. Shift them into slightly different colors if there's colored light shining on them, to represent the mixing of the light's color with the surface's. DO NOT just shade and highlight with black and white - this will ruin your colors. DO NOT do this using the dodge and burn tools, either. It looks really obvious, and it's just bad.

That's pretty much what I was going to do, the blocking out of the mean hue for each section, and then darken/lighten. Glad to see my intuition was on the money there. My primary issue right now is getting a lighter or darker version of the colours I want.

Also, I don't even know what dodge and burn are. I don't know what any of the tools are, I'm just using a pressure sensitive, flat, round brush. =x

Lighter or darker versions of the colors you want are almost entirely arbitrary.

Just for an example, say you want a jacket to be orange. For the midtone, pick a sort of medium orange. Not too intense, maybe a hint towards red, with a lower value (towards black in the color picker). For highlights, you'd use a brighter, more intense orange (fuller orange, more towards yellow, slightly less saturated). For shadows, you'd use a color further towards red. It's a bit more complicated than just that, so here's an example image of what i'm talking about.

http://i.imgur.com/DqqYD.png

Same thing shaded with white and black. THIS IS BAD.
http://i.imgur.com/uSo9y.png

And dodge and burn. ALSO BAD.
http://i.imgur.com/0OIOD.png

Adding black or white is a tind/shade, so yeah, that isn't what I'm after. I've been trying to colour mix as if it were paints, though, and I guess I just need to get out of that mindset. Since I don't have PS or a tablet at home, I only get to fiddle with it while at school. This will take awhile. Thanks.

You can also mix in cooler colors to shade warmer colors, which looks nice.

WIP


Can anyone guess what it's supposed to be?

Here I'll give you a hint

The lighting is definitely going to change, I need to give the walls more definition and contrast from the floor, right now it's a little difficult to tell between the two while playing.


I should be able to finish this

Probably

Maybe

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Adding black or white is a tind/shade, so yeah, that isn't what I'm after. I've been trying to colour mix as if it were paints, though, and I guess I just need to get out of that mindset. Since I don't have PS or a tablet at home, I only get to fiddle with it while at school. This will take awhile. Thanks.

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Photoshop is overrated (and overpriced!).

I suggest Paint Tool Sai. Anybody into digital art will have nothing bad to say about the program, aside from it's lack of general photo editing tools. It's specialized for artists.

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WIP

Can anyone guess what it's supposed to be?

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I DUNNO YO.

e: oh wait I thought it was yoyorast's main base

fuck

Yeah, but, industry standards and all that. Unless I've been mislead, Photoshop and Illustrator are basically the tools of the trade for 2D work in the games industry, as well as comics, etc.

well each have their pros and cons. Sai has been praised for it's extremely fast pixel refresh rate, control over brush dynamics, as well as the line smoothing feature, which makes line art much more managable, whereas photoshop has been praised for... well, you know, having everything and the kitchen sink

to each their own I suppose..

Yeah, I'm software agnostic right now. The fact that Adobe's suite is the standard is honestly the only reason I'm trying to learn that.

http://i.imgur.com/X8x8j.jpg

Almost done.

I'm having trouble figuring out what it is. With all those heat radiators I would think an electric motor?

It looks like it may be a piston.

Thought it was a camera......

Electric motor with gearbox?

I thought it was Luke Skywalker's lightsaber for a moment.

Looks more like a circular sander to me.

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It looks like it may be a piston.

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I reckon its some kind of piston foot thats used to support something.

The best identification I can find is that it's some kind of pump.

Anyway, I think I'm done.
http://i.imgur.com/nesFj.jpg

Pump action rocket launcher

http://i.imgur.com/3bUxS.gif

Actually made this like years ago but never bothered showing it to anyone

Dude, that's beautiful! Put that shit in a map, man!

Got the thumbs up from higuy so it'll probably show up in lumoria ep2

Yeah that's actually not a bad idea...

Part of a scene I made with a dynamic day/night cycle, and a storm. This is just the sun rise

http://i.imgur.com/PEAXF.jpg

Nice! Is it intended to be CGI?

This was done in UDK. Except the trees, used speedtree to make those for the sake of time constraints.

http://i.imgur.com/YRwDw.jpg

Something's wrong with the legs. WIP, not inked yet.

The shin is too far back and its displaying the other side of his thigh, making it look awkward. Correct this and it may look better. His right knee is too far back as well, draw it out more as if he was splaying is thigh to a greater degree.

I like the overall design though, well done.

Hey man. Great work on the first 2 renders. I like the architecture. May I ask what they are for? :o

As far as the last one is concerned, its hard to read the textures. None of them have any real definition to them, while others don't seem to have a purpose. For example, the wall tile texture, doesn't really make sense imo, at least in this scene. I Also suggest using more colors in your color pallet, because atm its all supper red/brown and in this case its not really helping the scene. (Don't forget to look at real life objects and scenes, to get a sense of what kind of textures are best to use in what you are making)
My last crit towards this thing, is that there is no real focus. I am not sure if I am supposed to be looking beyond the gate, at the gate, or at the floor (Although my eyes move away very quickly from there). Maybe some sort of object to attract the viewers attention? For example, if its the door way, don't have it the same color as the rest of the scene. Make it silver, or something that really brings it out from the rest and maybe add some more models around it, to really bring out its purpose (Lights on it, or something).

Hope this helps a little. :p
Great work. :)
(Btw you have a portfolio? Dunno if I asked this before :p)

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The shin is too far back and its displaying the other side of his thigh, making it look awkward. Correct this and it may look better. His right knee is too far back as well, draw it out more as if he was splaying is thigh to a greater degree.

I like the overall design though, well done.

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I'm not even sure how to visualize the fixes for the legs, even. Honestly they've been baffling me the whole time i've been looking at it.

Like so:
http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/4866/yrwdw.jpg

Woah guys. Please move all conversations back to the 2010 thread. K thx, bai.

I can't decide whether scaning in a drawing was a good idea or a bad idea. Anyway, this is a WIP of my first project done for the hell of it.
http://i.imgur.com/UJEMZ.png

Not really sure what it's supposed to be.

http://i.imgur.com/smMci.jpg

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Fuck there's another Neuro.

He's the original.

he's not actually.
pretty sure.

If Neuro Guro not Neurokoneza then not real neuro.

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http://i.imgur.com/smMci.jpg

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Bingo. I really think I should have only used that picture to begin with instead of a hand drawn side shot.

It goes like this guys:

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@MXC; Lots to work on man. Great start, but watch out of the inaccuracies that are beginning to occur with your model. Keep at it! :)

@Neuro Guro; Man some of that work is gross. Haha. In a good way. I like the attention to the little details like the texture, but my main crit is; Perspectives. You seem to lose focus on keeping the perspective the same through out. I don't know if you do this, but just like modeling, first block out the main objects and make sure everything is consistent. As an example, in the second piece you posted, the wall seems to be going in many different directions as it rises. You didn't keep the lines consistent, and because of that, the piece seems a bit odd. Either way, great work man, yet again.

Ah so you're the father of "the One".
Nero -> Neo

>Nero

Ah, haha nice thanks man! I'm blocking stuff out now actually. Funny cause I was just watching a tutorial earlier today that showed someone doing that. But yeah, I'm no illustrator, but now that I'm working on stuff in 3D it's easier to get that sort of consistency, and that stuff is just me pondered on how some of the assets might be formed, just early stuff. Trying to maintain at least a nice austere and unsettling look of minimalistic, but yet still detailed buildings in the first part I'm making, sort of reminiscent of a surban style. I plan on not rushing with this and just starting with one section, and whatever assets I start making for it. Should I just keep posting stuff? Or should I like make a new thread or something

Not sure if you have a Gallery thread, but if you don't, make one. That way you can always look back on the first pages and compare what you have become. :)

That's what I like to do every once in awhile. haha.

I got a tablet of Christmas. Decided to do some free-style marker art:
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Still working on it. Should have saved the version before I added in more vibrant colors like the hazel and greens; it had a very nice, ancient look to it. Oh well, that's art by a noobie. Feel free to comment how I draw like a kindergartener.

EDIT:
Attachment 2569
I moved up to the 1st grade. :iamafag:

DOUBLEDIT:

Attachment 2570
More freestyle and messing with Autodesk Sketchbook to get used to my tablet. Just looking for more ideas to make the scene look cool.

I looked over the existing geometry and removed alot of unnecessary shit. Also mirrored it over. Progress!
http://i.imgur.com/3Nk1a.png

Decided to make a Tardis to help refine my sub-D last night whilst talking to Nero.
Comes to the margin of 10k tris
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/...5-56-56-08.png
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/...5-54-40-51.pnghttp://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/...5-54-15-66.png
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/...87/Dalek-3.png

Finally getting back to work on this guy, probably time to start the low poly

http://i.imgur.com/PCj5E.jpg

Hey warlord, tuts going to take a bit longer then I expected. Waiting on a program to finish so I can edit the video. :)

@PenGuin; that looks really cool man! You better start on a low poly.

low poly bake. Got some errors the baking process shit out that I still need to fix. Came out to 10,800 tris. Optics soon to come after I finish the diffuse

That turned out awesome. :golfclap:

Hot damn that bake came out nicely! Good job!

Great job, Penguin! :neckbeard:

I need help with a shape--I know this is not a help thread, but it's the closest thing to it on this site!

ps. I am laughably awful

how the fuck do i get these dges here (i know some of the loops aren't clean yet :( )

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n.../howididit.png

This is how I would go about it?
Maybe Neuro can help you out more. I am not so good with topology as he always corrects me. :)

your cage doesnt need to be low poly.

the easiest thing to do is to just start with a 30 sided cylinder
having it 8-sided when you want to make gaps like that is stupid.

thanks guys :)

It's been a while since I posted anything, but finally got some time off and wasn't playing skyrim. http://kid908.deviantart.com/art/Kat...sale-277788993

The lips look a bit....off. Double-check your references. They look to scrunched up or distorted.

Something I did a while ago, want no turbosmooth'd version ?

still not really how i'd go about it, but it looks fair enough i suppose :P

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Something I did a while ago, want no turbosmooth'd version ?

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Sure, I'd appreciate it. :p

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still not really how i'd go about it, but it looks fair enough i suppose :P

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How would you do it?

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the easiest thing to do is to just start with a 30 sided cylinder
having it 8-sided when you want to make gaps like that is stupid.

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that's how

Animations I done

They need a bit more kick tbh. :x

Needs more force when the weapon recoils on both rifles, and the M40/24 looks like its a straight pull instead of a real bolt. Make the lifting/closing of the bolt more pronounced/forceful.

I suppose I could increase the recoil on the m40. The m14 however has moderate recoil because it's intended to fire fully automatic. Too much recoil with fully automatic firing weapons just looks jittery. Thanks guys

Might I recommend a bit more visual flair? Make the M14 reload similar to the FAL reload from MW 2. As in the person ejects the magazine by pressing the eject button with a magazine already in hand.

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Might I recommend a bit more visual flair? Make the M14 reload similar to the FAL reload from MW 2. As in the person ejects the magazine by pressing the eject button with a magazine already in hand.

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That is a great idea and I agree that it would look cool. However, there are a few reasons I didn't do this with either of these rifles. One being because the project these were made for is supposed to be very realistic. Two, because I did exactly that with my last assault rifle animation set, which you can see here:



Though it takes about 35 seconds to get to it. Thirdly, because its a HUGE pain in the ass to do. Which isn't really a good excuse in reality. It does complicate the animation process a bit since you have to have 2 magazine models in the scene, and they have to switch places undetected at either the beginning or the end of the animation, since the same mag that was there when the animation started also has to be there when it ends. I'm able to do that just fine in renders as you can see, but ingame it can be a different story. I know in halo I tried to do this type of thing with an older SMG animation, but it just ended up glitching the hell out.

Ah I understand. Well done regardless. :O

Thank you very much

hey that m60 is mine :p

Also really want to see more emphasis on that bolt pull on the M40. more up and down action

Do you mean during the reload or the firing?

when he fires, it's very straight as tyrant pointed out.

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I suppose I could increase the recoil on the m40. The m14 however has moderate recoil because it's intended to fire fully automatic. Too much recoil with fully automatic firing weapons just looks jittery. Thanks guys

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Bingo. That's the reason the M14 was locked into semi-auto, because it had too much recoil to be controllable on full auto. Needz moar kick.

Why is this thread still going? Might be nice if a mod locks this up and makes the new 2012 a sticky?

Where are you Roostervier? You were lock happy on my thread for no reason many times, time to do the same here. (Even though this thread has a reason to be locked.. lol)

Icee, your running animation with the M14 is really jerky. Think about how it'd look from a first person perspective if you were swinging your arms and gun left and right while running at full tilt. There wouldn't be much of it visible but the top, and there would be much more side to side movement, with gentler up and downs. Look at BF3 for an example of getting this basically perfect.

Probably the wrong place to put this, but no one actually looks at the source section. Does anyone know how to compile viewmodel animations in source? Valve recently added a pretty neat gun to tf2, but the animations for it look like someones infant baby took a liquid shit in my chili. You can't really tell from the video, but if you play at a higher FOV, the left arm is completely twisted up. I intend to make a skin for it to resolve this issue, but I've never actually made any content for source before.

Sorry about late reply, here are the renders without turbosmooth. There is probably a better way to do it, but this works rather nicely. Was awkward shape to do, I just messed around with multiple ways of creating it.




You dont want the triangles which I have either if you can get rid of them, don't know why I ain't done so :/