Obama: Speaking in Berlin, Germany.

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Originally Posted by LinkandKvel

It means if you have the mentality those things won't change, in the long run less people would support him/her trying to change these things and you can't make giant changes like these on your own. With no support the whole project will collapse, and ultimately NOTHING will change.

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Well you wouldn't need a president for a revolution from within like from smaller communieties upwards. If folks really rely on a president to motivate them to do something for the welfare of their own community or even just change their own ways, well then this country is doomed anyways.

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Originally Posted by LinkandKvel

I say we lure all the racist to an island with other racist, start a civil war, and when they least expect...nuke em :haw:

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Or if we liek put em all in one single place or at least several places all over the country where they could like all be together like in some kind of installation or camp. You know we could totally all bring them there possibly by train and like kill them all one by one. :downs:

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Originally Posted by ßðÐŻÍ££å

he better get rid of all that torture bullshit taht they have in Guantanamo.
That Water boarding is one of the worst pychological things you can do to a person.

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Thruth. That's why i would've supported McCain at first but now he seems to have changed his mind about that.
Btw theres alot more goin on in US secret prisons than just waterboarding that would be considered torture according to the Geneva Convention.

oh wait theres someone at the door
brb NSA

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Originally Posted by Mass

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I fail to see any discrimination in America except some discrimination against whites. If you were to start an all-black club, it's accepted. If you start an all-white club, it's racist. Due to people trying NOT to be seen as racist, they turn out to be discriminatory towards straight white males. There isn't much Obama CAN do to take steps against discrimination, since it's largely under control. If he takes the steps to get rid of discrimination against straight white males, then he would have truly gotten rid of it.

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You seem to be out of the loop here, because you're just completely and invariably wrong here.

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Care to elaborate on that?

I agree with what TK421 said; political-correctness has descended into mollycoddling every other religion and skin-colour. Equality was achieved for everyone years ago, but society doesn't seem to have caught up with it. Sure, black people and members of religious minorities can have high-paid jobs and go to top schools and universities, but when somebody white makes a joke involving them, prepare for shitstorm. I don't see why a black comedian can say something like "His skin was so white, I was blind for a half hour," but a white comedian can't say "His skin was so black, he looked like floating eyes and teeth."

That may have seemed totally insensitive, but compare them. Is one really worse than the other? If Obama can clear up these misunderstandings about racism, I'm right behind him.

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Originally Posted by Jelly

That may have seemed totally insensitive, but compare them. Is one really worse than the other? If Obama can clear up these misunderstandings about racism, I'm right behind him.

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You mean like he's supposed to eradicate stereotypes, prejudice and irrational social behaviour out of the everyday Joe's mind? Good luck with that.

No, I want him to be able to take a joke.

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Originally Posted by Jelly

Care to elaborate on that?

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Sure.

First of all, allow me to start with my own experiences within the city of Chicago. Now, I do some odd jobs around the offices of a law firm, installing printers, moving old computers, putting on pots of coffee to brew, and the like; and this law firm does mainly cases for poorer clients, almost entirely working class blacks from the south side, who have been screwed over by predatory institutions. Lately we've been seeing, as you might guess, a lot of sub-prime loan victims, but really the variety discrimination in these cases is pretty astounding. There's the half a dozen or so black families who's water bill is about 30 times what the actual cost of the water they used is, there's the collection of black railroad workers fired from their pleasantly middle-class jobs for extremely minor and anal rule violations, there's several elderly victims of foreclosures, including the one who's 5 hour interview I converted to text, and the other who signed a contract with print too small for her too possibly read and even then littered with uncommon acronyms that had to be professionally researched to be translated. Oh, equality was indeed achieved decades ago.

Are you aware of the disproportionate percentages of minorities screwed by the housing bubble? Seen the research done in which over half of white subjects subconsciously racially profiled, and less than half of African-Americans did. In Illinois, blacks and Latinos are stopped about 5 times as frequently for consenting vehicle checks, despite the rate of contraband found in searched Caucasian driven vehicles being about twice as high.

Now, what you judge to be modern prejudice against whites, and particularly against white males is a sort of compensation really, and not only is it crucial to progress and necessary, more is necessary. Is it easier for an African-American applicant to get into any given college? Yes, although it is a very slight advantage relative to the influence of grades and scores. The thing is that it is so much more likely for a student of European or Asian ancestry to actually be able to apply, that a slight advantage is hardly anything a white student seeking a higher education should be concerned about. The education then builds onto careers, where the sheer nature of the disproportion in qualification, plus the aforementioned subconscious profiling makes necessary a system enforcing more proportionate hiring practices, and therefore, fairer practices.

You cannot slow inequality by repealing laws disadvantageous to minorities, you need to create laws, albeit temporary ones, that are advantageous to the formerly oppressed group. Otherwise, the balance of power never shifts, and not only is progress stagnant, it remains perfectly capable of reversion.

Tl;dr: You're invariably wrong, as I said.

Bravo, sir! Stated possibly even more eloquently than I could have said it myself.

ugh, too much rep in past 24 hours :|

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Originally Posted by Mass

Sure.

First of all, allow me to start with my own experiences within the city of Chicago. Now, I do some odd jobs around the offices of a law firm, installing printers, moving old computers, putting on pots of coffee to brew, and the like; and this law firm does mainly cases for poorer clients, almost entirely working class blacks from the south side, who have been screwed over by predatory institutions. Lately we've been seeing, as you might guess, a lot of sub-prime loan victims, but really the variety discrimination in these cases is pretty astounding. There's the half a dozen or so black families who's water bill is about 30 times what the actual cost of the water they used is, there's the collection of black railroad workers fired from their pleasantly middle-class jobs for extremely minor and anal rule violations, there's several elderly victims of foreclosures, including the one who's 5 hour interview I converted to text, and the other who signed a contract with print too small for her too possibly read and even then littered with uncommon acronyms that had to be professionally researched to be translated. Oh, equality was indeed achieved decades ago.

Are you aware of the disproportionate percentages of minorities screwed by the housing bubble? Seen the research done in which over half of white subjects subconsciously racially profiled, and less than half of African-Americans did. In Illinois, blacks and Latinos are stopped about 5 times as frequently for consenting vehicle checks, despite the rate of contraband found in searched Caucasian driven vehicles being about twice as high.

Now, what you judge to be modern prejudice against whites, and particularly against white males is a sort of compensation really, and not only is it crucial to progress and necessary, more is necessary. Is it easier for an African-American applicant to get into any given college? Yes, although it is a very slight advantage relative to the influence of grades and scores. The thing is that it is so much more likely for a student of European or Asian ancestry to actually be able to apply, that a slight advantage is hardly anything a white student seeking a higher education should be concerned about. The education then builds onto careers, where the sheer nature of the disproportion in qualification, plus the aforementioned subconscious profiling makes necessary a system enforcing more proportionate hiring practices, and therefore, fairer practices.

You cannot slow inequality by repealing laws disadvantageous to minorities, you need to create laws, albeit temporary ones, that are advantageous to the formerly oppressed group. Otherwise, the balance of power never shifts, and not only is progress stagnant, it remains perfectly capable of reversion.

Tl;dr: You're invariably wrong, as I said.

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see kids. this is what smoking pot does to you.

good post.

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Originally Posted by Mass

Sure.

First of all, allow me to start with my own experiences within the city of Chicago. Now, I do some odd jobs around the offices of a law firm, installing printers, moving old computers, putting on pots of coffee to brew, and the like; and this law firm does mainly cases for poorer clients, almost entirely working class blacks from the south side, who have been screwed over by predatory institutions. Lately we've been seeing, as you might guess, a lot of sub-prime loan victims, but really the variety discrimination in these cases is pretty astounding. There's the half a dozen or so black families who's water bill is about 30 times what the actual cost of the water they used is, there's the collection of black railroad workers fired from their pleasantly middle-class jobs for extremely minor and anal rule violations, there's several elderly victims of foreclosures, including the one who's 5 hour interview I converted to text, and the other who signed a contract with print too small for her too possibly read and even then littered with uncommon acronyms that had to be professionally researched to be translated. Oh, equality was indeed achieved decades ago.

Are you aware of the disproportionate percentages of minorities screwed by the housing bubble? Seen the research done in which over half of white subjects subconsciously racially profiled, and less than half of African-Americans did. In Illinois, blacks and Latinos are stopped about 5 times as frequently for consenting vehicle checks, despite the rate of contraband found in searched Caucasian driven vehicles being about twice as high.

Now, what you judge to be modern prejudice against whites, and particularly against white males is a sort of compensation really, and not only is it crucial to progress and necessary, more is necessary. Is it easier for an African-American applicant to get into any given college? Yes, although it is a very slight advantage relative to the influence of grades and scores. The thing is that it is so much more likely for a student of European or Asian ancestry to actually be able to apply, that a slight advantage is hardly anything a white student seeking a higher education should be concerned about. The education then builds onto careers, where the sheer nature of the disproportion in qualification, plus the aforementioned subconscious profiling makes necessary a system enforcing more proportionate hiring practices, and therefore, fairer practices.

You cannot slow inequality by repealing laws disadvantageous to minorities, you need to create laws, albeit temporary ones, that are advantageous to the formerly oppressed group. Otherwise, the balance of power never shifts, and not only is progress stagnant, it remains perfectly capable of reversion.

Tl;dr: You're invariably wrong, as I said.

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This is the truth. A lot of media and general public view can create this idea that whites are targets of racism, while minorities are sympathized with. However, when you get into the detail of it, there still is discrimination and racism. Not as rampant as it used to be in ye olden days, but it is still severe.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Massacre again.