:Angry rant: police brutality pisses me off

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Originally Posted by =sw=warlord

I was under the understanding the whole idea of having a police baton was for that exact scenario, some comes at you with a close quaters weapon you can defend yourself.

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I was under the understanding the whole idea of having a taser was so you wouldn't have to risk getting stabbed like you would with a baton, and also to take down people armed with longer-range weapons without killing them.

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Originally Posted by =sw=warlord

there are plenty of people who have had normal up brinings and have stilled turned out to be bad and it wasn't due to the people they were with either, i knew a guy who had it pretty bad hung about with junkies all the time had no where to go these days hes training in law to become lawyer at some point.

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Oh, so it's just fine to try and stab a cop to death as long as you get yourself a degree and a job afterwards? There's a difference between falling in with the wrong crowd and doing some stupid things and actually trying to end another person's life in cold blood.

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Originally Posted by =sw=warlord

Yes because all know who the real high and mighty ones are, i should never challenge your authority.

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I love the way how whenever someone starts an idiotic line of argument only to have me shoot them down with some fucking rational arguments, it suddenly becomes Ross the Terrible trying to keep the working man down or some bullshit. Don't you dare try and blame me for the fact that your logic is flawed.

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Originally Posted by =sw=warlord

My point remains, nothing is as straight cut as you make out so don't go saying it is out of ignorance.

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I don't doubt there was more to it, but the kid CHARGED A COP. WITH A KNIFE. WITH THE INTENT TO WOUND OR KILL.

I suppose they should've asked him nicely what his intent was before opening fire.

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Originally Posted by =sw=warlord

There are some people who act out in a cry for help for which ever reason, i know a girl who now gone off the rails after something happened she had a reasonable family was studying at college do you suggest that instead of listening to the cry for help she should be shot dead?

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If it endangers another person's life for no good reason? Yes, unless it can be avoided. In that case, it couldn't. Have fun trying to persuade the family that it was a 'cry for help' and the shooting was 'unjustified' if it happens again and the attacker succeeds in killing someone.

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Originally Posted by =sw=warlord

I agree there are many parents who need to grow the fuck up and pull the reins for their offspring, but the authorities also need to take responsibility for their actions just as much as those who they are paid to serve and protect.

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Yes, and that's why things like the IPCC and its counterparts (not sure what ours is called) exist for. If a cop tases the shit out of someone unfairly, they are well within their rights to complain and ALL complaints MUST be investigated.

Don't forget the wall of paperwork they're obligated to do themselves, not to mention that quite often it's investigated whether there's a complaint or not.

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Originally Posted by =sw=warlord

I was not aware there was such a movement, i guess im wrong for assuming you was taking it out of perspective and in a big enough man to accept i was wrong there so i appologise.

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Accepted.

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Originally Posted by =sw=warlord

Tasers as much as i have said are dangerous are far less lethal than a live firearms side arm, i advocate their use but only if their regulated and are used as designed, if first arrest was unsuccessfull and suspect becomes violent use taser to knock them to the floor then do the standard pin to the ground and cuff them, Not shock them twice and punch them to the face untill their out cold and bleeding.

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The problem is that not everyone will go down the first time, much the same way as it can take several seconds solid of capsicum spray or a few actual lethal shots to bring someone down. This is especially true of people who are high on shit like PCP, people who are running at a flat sprint with the intent to kill, and the like.

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Originally Posted by =sw=warlord

I say again, wasn't autharianism the reason germany ended up fighting, trying to occupy other countries such as poland as well as blaiming germanys issues with jews.

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No, it had fuck all to do with it. The Allies pretty much fucked Germany over unfairly after WWI and Germany resented it (understandably; WWI wasn't even their fault, but they copped the blame). Along came Hitler with rash plans to rebuild Germany and his anti-Semitic bullcrap, to give the people a common enemy. While the Nazi regime was authoritarian in the extreme, that had nothing at all to do with the beginning of WWII. It was a matter of pride and the vision of Germany being as great as it once was that led to the invasion of other countries.

e/ I should probably clarify that I'm not exactly jumping up and down every time someone dodgy gets shot by the cops, but I'm not about to start bawling my eyes out and calling blue murder, either. It's their choice, it's their life, and there's nothing I personally can do about it. The worst part is the waste of a life which may well have been a good one had they not decided to go looking for trouble.

Sometimes you have to put all your soppy emotions away and look at the bigger picture. I know that's both cliche and pretty cold, but it's the honest truth.

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Originally Posted by rossmum

If you want someone taking things out of perspective, why not just read Bodie's posts?

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Mate my stories and experience's are not one off experiences and i have alot of friends and alot of relatives to fucking prove it.

Some cops are alright
But the majority where i live (i cant vouch for other areas) are fucked up in the extreme.
What perspective is their to get? Punching and kicking a man while he's down is alright and acceptable? Taseing the inside of a girls leg: the cops where actually going to release 1 part of the video surveillance of what happened, BUT they where denied because that it was a blatant attempt at trying to influence the media and the publics opinion. They had the choice of releasing the tape uncut and in it's entire state, or not at all. Guess what they chose.
hello corruption.

what about old mate that got tasered in his car that was still moving. he was still fucking parking the thing when they rolled down the windows.
got a story from my brother hey.
"was driving into brisbane to drop off a mate of mine at his place and we drove past this place and theres this kid with his hands behind his head leaying face first on the ground, and the cops where looking real dodgy adn this kid was being submissive. as we drive off we seen them just start laying into him. 20 minutes later after i've dropped him off i'm on the way back to mine and driving past again and theres fucking blood every where and this kids just unconscious. meanwhile the cops are just standing around looking hell dodge when this ambulance rocks up."
and another
"man they're like this all the time especially in the valley in brisbane. it's like a game to them
about 4 or 5 will just stand around and when they see a guy with punky hair and peicings and shit they just start calling them fags and taunting them until they say something back. then they run over and beat the shit out of him and write it out as he's resisting arrest and assualting a police officer and take them to court.
Happens everyweek and the cunts cover each other and lie to protect themselves while the peoples opinion nosedives."

EVERY WEEK.

And seeing as you've been projecting at me so often lately i thought fuck it, it's my turn.
Now Ross you dont go out to clubs, pubs or out like i do, or like my family do. Your pretty antisocial that way and stay at home alot of the time. Now because of this your not seeing these things first hand, your not witnessing it and you dont have the experience because 90% of your info on these events is third hand.
Your not involved in the scene where this occurs and your not in the places where this occurs, so how the fuck can you tell ME whats going on.

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Now have a guess why my blue hat is now green and why i havnt been seen with my sunnies since the start of the year.

First hand experience.

You're very handsom.
In fact, you kinda look like Ashton Kutcher.

also the sunnie pic
(was a joke)

I spent quite a damn lot of time going out in Newcastle, and I met a fair few cops. Hell, I had them round my house because there was a drunk wandering around trying to break in at 3AM. Just because you or your mates have had a bad time with the LOCAL cops, it doesn't mean every bloody cop (or even a majority of them) are the same.

By your logic, I could say that all working-class families are full of alcoholic cunts, because a considerable number of the ones in Woy Woy are. Newcastle? Not many, comparatively. You can't prove shit from a small, localised sample, and if you think you can, you're sadly mistaken.

I can also personally vouch for the fact that when you know someone generalises you as a prick by association, it's easier to prove them right by giving them shit than it is to show them how stupidly ignorant they're being.

You're being no better than a lot of my school friends. When they heard I was joining up, they went all 'ugh no' on me and started prattling on about how the Army turns people into arseholes, because the few soldiers they knew were right fuckwads (and being the only good judge of character I know, I was the only one who realised this from the outset). Lo and behold, every single one I've met is great. Not necessarily perfect, but not cunts.

Don't fucking generalise people because of limited personal experiences.

Bod, if you hate cops in Australia, move to America. Our cops are mostly fair. Never had a problem with them ever. Hell, back in seventh grade the campus officer let me hold his gun (clip and all ammunition removed, slide locked back of course). Cops should be able to carry whatever weapons and tools that allow them to do their jobs.

BTW, the Rodney King thing should not color your opinion of American police. Most aren't like that, and very few people know that whole story anyways.

Cops here are a mixed bag, but in most areas they're alright. I've never had a run-in with them because, you know, I don't really go out of my way to break the law or stir trouble, but from the ones I've met and what I've heard from my mates the ones in our local area are pretty decent.

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Originally Posted by rossmum

Cops here are a mixed bag, but in most areas they're alright. I've never had a run-in with them because, you know, I don't really go out of my way to break the law or stir trouble, but from the ones I've met and what I've heard from my mates the ones in our local area are pretty decent.

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Well I'm in the Northern United States, and the Northwestern part to be more clear. We dont have that many problems around here, other than the occasional murders/whatever. I think we have a meth problem that we've almost solved, and people like their cannabis, and nobody really cares about that. I'd say its the best part of the US, although Alaska is pretty cool too. which is just even more northwest xD

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Originally Posted by TVTyrant

Well I'm in the Northern United States, and the Northwestern part to be more clear. We dont have that many problems around here, other than the occasional murders/whatever. I think we have a meth problem that we've almost solved, and people like their cannabis, and nobody really cares about that. I'd say its the best part of the US, although Alaska is pretty cool too. which is just even more northwest xD

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i see a serious
serious problem here