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by progressives do you mean people who want to beat religion the fuck out of politics and bring in systems that actually make sense, or the crazies who take everything way too seriously in case some precious little princess somewhere gets offended
because if you're going to bitch about me generalising conservatives, right back atcha there
Not trying to sound dickish, but I would enjoy seeing a list of those.Quote:
There's a whole host of laws concerning state sovereignty that were rescinded during the civil war.
Also, random note, it's secede.
I live in a city that funds a large chunk of its rather substantial, vital infrastructure on sales taxes, and it is a completely retarded system for major funding. It is utterly unreliable and means that the government suffers from psychological dips in the economy to an amplified extent, when it is most needed to step up and function. Income taxes are a far more dependable system, and since your income and property is literally what you receive from society, it is by far the best place to determine what you owe to the maintenance of the society you benefit from. Taxes on all sales and particularly luxuries and dangerous items are justifiable because you choose to pay them, but so are income and property taxes because you also chose to have those things...
Why do you have to bring religion into everything. It has absolutely nothing to do with what I was talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossmum
And by 'system that works', are your talking about enslaving people into a working class and becoming so dependent on the federal Government that they can eat, sleep or shit without someone holding their hand? Because thats what and is happening.
Also add term limits for senate, house, and other positions that don't already have them. I think that'd resolve a lot of anguish in the country, especially when the people who need them are genuinely narcissistic. Not trying to point fingers though, I'm just saying even the good members get rotten over time.
I also want to mention that religion is mostly by Political Party. Republicans are usually the "religious right" and Democrats usually are not to the extent of the republicans. I try to also picture the Laws of the U.S. being formed from experience and not religion, which people usually blames laws on. Now Public Opinion sort of deals will always involve religion because it involves the Public and a broad amount of people. That's one reason why arguments with the current "Ground Zero Mosque" and "Abortion Rights" always gets so heated. Usually, despite what may appear to be the best course of action, the Gov't will usually make decisions in favor of a broader crowd. It's just how the system currently works in the United States.
And what Paladin says is basically true. We also have a ton of misrepresentation in this country's population with whom Americans actually are due to the immigration and illegal immigration that occurs daily. I don't know many outer immigrants, but I'm sure there very respectable ones who are glad to be Americans. Thye live in America and that makes them Americans, so when you dog all Americans you dog the respectable ones too. Most of what people hear from outside the Country is what the media feeds to them and the horrific stereotyping too, which on it's own is like trusting one biased source with everything you want to know. I mean, the total lack of respect intitially for Americans is repulsive and is sheerly based off of most stereotypes. I remember on XBL once that two British guys knew I was America, took me immediately as a joke, and continued with insulting the 9/11 attacks. Now I realize these two guys are Douche Bags, but seriously, where do people honestly get these ideas that all Americans are immediately idiots? That in itself IS insanity. I may not always appear it (partially because I'm extremely paranoid about certain topics and I can't relay all of my messages properly), but I'm not a racist, ignorant, nor arrogant American. Sure, I'm proud of my Country, but it's not like I don't respect other countries from around the world too. Now, their leadership is a different issue though, so when I say country I mean citizens in general. There may be a few people I don't like or a culture I don't understand, but initially I won't try to judge peope when I first meet them.
oh come on.Quote:
Originally Posted by paladin
i thought the debate section was supposed to be serious.
You obviously don't live in the US, so frankly, I don't see how your qualified to speak on the issue.
You are the precise reason so many people have trouble taking Americans seriously. Congratulations.Quote:
Originally Posted by paladin
Even Dane's most insane conspiracy theory rants don't compare to that last sentence.
So you think a decreasing living wage, increasing poverty rates (40 Million on Food stamps), record number of unemployment benefit applications (10% unemployed, 20% underemployed), record breaking welfare recipients (4.1 Million on cash-assistnace), $672 billion in Social security hand-outs, and an increasing amount of Medicaid recipients (47 million, in 2005) shows that more and more people are becoming less dependent on the Government?
Right, an you say Im insane. Come home from rainbow and cupcake land.
This article sums up the hand-outs my government gives out.
theeconomiccollapseblog.com
sweet sourcing of reliable and unbiased information there