Halo: Anniversary - The Halo 1 remake (fuck anyone who calls it "halo ce" remake)

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Originally Posted by Amit

Right, my bad, but the engine is a modified Reach engine, is it not?

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Nope, they've hired saber interactive who licence their own engine.

http://saber3d.com/engine.php

Wait, so they aren't using reach engine for halo 4. :(

343i has been developing a different engine for H4

they probably want to make it original and make it be able to incorporate more "dlc add ons"

referring to the post at bungie.net made by shock120

i mean the blam engine did have many limitations.

If the rumors of the next MS console in 2012 are correct, then Halo 4 won't even be an Xbox 360 game. It makes sense to have a new engine for a new trilogy for a new console. The big disadvantage of abandoning the Bungie tech is that it is super-optimized for being responsive at 30 frames per second. If next gen Halo 4 runs at 60Hz, though, those optimizations kind of don't matter anymore.

I'm pretty sure Kinect was developed and release to extend the life of the 360. Plus they've recently reworked the security sector on the 360 disc, giving developers an extra 1GB of space for content. So the 360 is here to stay for the foreseeable future.

And the Blam engine is only limited by those who don't have the source. If you've got source or even some hawt sauce, it isn't that limited.

To add onto what supersniper said, the blam engine is great and all, but people are starting to want more from Halo games that it just can't offer. DLC armour would be amazing, and maybe even weapons and vehicles. Think about it, those things would give Halo 4 a nice edge over current FPS games content-wise.

Maybe that way they could even have some sort of competitions for the community like "Create an armour set", and the winner gets their armour put into the game. That would make 343i the most badass developers ever...of all time...

...brb, going to post on 343i forums

Non-map DLC in the Blam engine wouldn't be outside its realm. The tech just hasn't been put into a released engine yet.

True, but it would take a lot of modifying of the engine to allow non-map DLC, no? At that point, wouldn't it just be easier to use a different engine that was designed for all of that in mind?

It's true that MS has been in far less of a hurry to move on to the next generation, but by 2012, the 360 will be 7 years old. That is ancient for a console. Kinect's launch gave a late boost, but it does not alleviate the need for more powerful hardware, which I would assume would be fully compatible with Kinect. So, it's not like they'd be cutting and running on that front.

As for the discs, that's just a little crust of bread to help tide developers over. 1GB of extra space doesn't mean much, but it might make the difference between a 4-disc game and a 3-disc game. Storage is becoming the largest problem for 360 development, so I'm not surprised they are trying to do what they can, but it's not really solving the issue.

We don't even know if developers are going to adopt the new format. There have been reports of problems with it with older 360's. I don't believe its adoption is required.

Two months ago, I would have scoffed at the notion of the next Xbox in 2012, but with all these rumors surfacing -- AMD boasting about its graphical capabilities being the most recent -- I'm not so sure. It seems like a coin flip at this point, whether it happens or not. But if you're 343 developing your first Halo game, wouldn't you want that added graphical horsepower behind you to allow you to truly set yourself apart from Bungie's previous work on the series? And if you were committing to a Trilogy, wouldn't you at least want the chance that they can all be released on a single platform? Just something to think about.

MS can detect consoles which are incompatible with the new format and will automatically (if connected to LIVE) contact the user informing them that they can send in their old box for a newer one. And it's for the really, really old boxes. Like 2005 old.

It wouldn't really be "a lot" of modifying to the engine. It's just a pipeline issue, which is abstracted from the rest of the engine since it only sees game data as tags and tag resources (there's blob data, but that's for runtime systems). If you use a different engine, you have to then deal with that engine's shortcomings and also transfer ALL content AND data to its format then RETEST everything because it's an entirely different product. You won't see non-map DLC in Reach (unless they do something in a TU), but you'll probably see such with Bungie's next game.

Not sure if relevant to current discussion but still well worth the read.

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Originally Posted by DarkHalcyon

Not sure if relevant to current discussion but still well worth the read.

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Even though that's a really sound idea, I can't help but laugh because of this:

http://www.modacity.net/forums/attac...4&d=1311135249

Nintendo 3ds eShop ads.

Heh.

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Originally Posted by Pooky

I always thought that scene would have been better if they gave the Beam Rifle a little cameo there, like the BR in ODST.



That theory is also shit, because you never seen any shields flaring, popping, or sparking in that entire scene. They didn't think it through at all.

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I know this was ages ago now but when did the BR make an appearance in ODST? A cutscene or something? D:
NVM just recalled the actual scene it was in heh.

A sony/microsoft project would end in disaster. Royalties, arguements, to be honest.. It's great to theorise, but I doubt really applying two companies of their stature would work.

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Originally Posted by Rosco

A sony/microsoft project would end in disaster. Royalties, arguements, to be honest.. It's great to theorise, but I doubt really applying two companies of their stature would work.

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you mean like the Halo movie with Universal and 21st century Fox?

I'm not sure if this one has been through the spin cycle of this thread yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiJKU...eature=related

What got me the most was "six multiplayer maps and one firefight map".

This one also got my attention.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQTGjZ2SEtw&feature=related

Frank better know what he's doing or I am going to be beyond pissed.

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Originally Posted by =sw=warlord

you mean like the Halo movie with Universal and 21st century Fox?

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i have no idea how the movie is doing and have no idea who is involved so lol..

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Originally Posted by Rosco

i have no idea how the movie is doing and have no idea who is involved so lol..

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It failed. Because the companies bickered about the budget. :downs:

they better remake halo 2 in a couple of years or i'll be pissed.
But instead of it's crappy campaign remake the multiplayer it was honestly my favorite.

I'd actually rather not have Halo 2 remade. I mean, we're fine as it is with new Halo games coming out as often as they are, we don't need a remake of a game that's so similar. Halo 1 is being remade to celebrate the beginning of the franchise as well as the fact that so many people want it, which is much more than the people who want Halo 2.

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Originally Posted by supersniper

they better remake halo 2 in a couple of years or i'll be pissed.
But instead of it's crappy campaign remake the multiplayer it was honestly my favorite.

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One step at a time.
It's taken this long to get CE remade.

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Originally Posted by Hotrod

I'd actually rather not have Halo 2 remade. I mean, we're fine as it is with new Halo games coming out as often as they are, we don't need a remake of a game that's so similar. Halo 1 is being remade to celebrate the beginning of the franchise as well as the fact that so many people want it, which is much more than the people who want Halo 2.

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This. As much as I love Halo games, I think a Halo 2 remake would be way too soon. Plus, I rather have new adventures than relive recent ones.

I don't want 343i to remake Halo 2, unless they actually change the gameplay this time. Halo 2's campaign has all sorts of great environments, encounters, set-pieces, music and so forth, but the actual campaign gameplay just isn't much fun. Would be cool if they remade the multiplayer or the maps at least.

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Originally Posted by Arteen

Would be cool if they remade the multiplayer or the maps at least.

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But they've been doing this in every Halo game since :downs:

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Originally Posted by n00b1n8R

But they've been doing this in every Halo game since :downs:

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Needs more Turf, Headlong, Relic, Gemini and Terminal though.

But those maps sucked :saddowns:

Those maps were amazing, they should definitely make a comeback.

Needs more Guardian and Valhalla, Valhalla especially, had the greatest BTB on that map.

Fuck all of you. Needs moar Danger Canyon, Danger Canyon, Danger Canyon, oh and last but not least, Danger Canyon.

Everything else can just float and sputter

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Originally Posted by Kornman00

Fuck all of you. Needs moar Danger Canyon, Danger Canyon, Danger Canyon, oh and last but not least, Danger Canyon.

Everything else can just float and sputter

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Don't be so closed minded, there should be some Danger Canyon in there too :iamafag:

no i personally think halo 2 had the best multiplayer :/ i mean halo pc/ce was great but i always have way more fun when i play halo 2.

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Originally Posted by Kornman00

Fuck all of you. Needs moar Danger Canyon, Danger Canyon, Danger Canyon, oh and last but not least, Danger Canyon.

Everything else can just float and sputter

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I feel like I'll hate danger canyon on any other version of halo.

I've never had as much fun playing an MP game as Halo PCE. Game just feels right. You don't get killed instantly by much of anything except for rockets, extremely slow moving vehicles, and a sniper shot to the head. Everything else you at least have a few seconds to recover and defend yourself. I don't know of many other games that do that. Halo 2/3, your shields go down, one hit and your dead. I believe they put it back to the Halo 1 model in Reach though? I wonder what Halo 4 will use. And sergeant Johnson better be resurrected :(

Sneak peak of Silent Cartographer

Old E3 build if you guys don't hear him say it. Obviously the reach ar and magnum gave it away of being old since they are now h3.

I still like the option to switch back and forth between the old and new. Warm and fuzzy feeling.

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Originally Posted by Amit

I've never had as much fun playing an MP game as Halo PCE. Game just feels right. You don't get killed instantly by much of anything except for rockets, extremely slow moving vehicles, and a sniper shot to the head. Everything else you at least have a few seconds to recover and defend yourself. I don't know of many other games that do that. Halo 2/3, your shields go down, one hit and your dead. I believe they put it back to the Halo 1 model in Reach though? I wonder what Halo 4 will use. And sergeant Johnson better be resurrected :(

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See, the reason Halo PC multiplayer was awesome and why no other Halo can compare is because players have so much individual power. There's no unwinnable situation. By yourself with a full pistol and 2 frags it's possible to take down the entire enemy team + vehicles. I've done it. Games where the better player always wins > random bullshit of modern FPS games.

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Originally Posted by Pooky

See, the reason Halo PC multiplayer was awesome and why no other Halo can compare is because players have so much individual power. There's no unwinnable situation. By yourself with a full pistol and 2 frags it's possible to take down the entire enemy team + vehicles. I've done it. Games where the better player always wins > random bullshit of modern FPS games.

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Oh you mean like in Call of duty?
It's extremely easy to just wipe the entire team across the floor with practically any weapon as long as you are smart about it.
:)

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Originally Posted by =sw=warlord

Oh you mean like in Call of duty?
It's extremely easy to just wipe the entire team across the floor with practically any weapon as long as you are smart about it.
:)

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Yeah, until you get randomly bullshat on by some air support/noob tube/wall spraying/ commando super lunge/ other BS. Besides, we're talking about HALO, not CoD.

I'd love to see you wipe the floor with the whole other team in any game, though. remove that stick man, I think it's growing

pooky it's possible because halo ce is full of noobs. but take a situation where each player is as good as you with a full 8 v 8 game on bloodgulch... it will be a lot less likely to take down the whole team with just a full pistol n 2 frags.

also if you take away the horrible net code and add in the xbox live netcode... yeah even less of a chance.

the only reason why halo ce was mostly based on individual skill was because of the horrible netcode and the naive little kids that don't understand the concept of lead your shot.

i still think h2 had the best multiplayer. gameplay, maps. the only thing it failed in was the whole smg start for every gamevariant / map...

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Originally Posted by =sw=warlord

Oh you mean like in Call of duty?
It's extremely easy to just wipe the entire team across the floor with practically any weapon as long as you are smart about it.
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The point is it's extremely easy. As in anyone could do it, it doesn't take skill in call of duty. You get pooky's point though ;)

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Originally Posted by supersniper

pooky it's possible because halo ce is full of noobs. but take a situation where each player is as good as you with a full 8 v 8 game on bloodgulch... it will be a lot less likely to take down the whole team with just a full pistol n 2 frags.

also if you take away the horrible net code and add in the xbox live netcode... yeah even less of a chance.

the only reason why halo ce was mostly based on individual skill was because of the horrible netcode and the naive little kids that don't understand the concept of lead your shot.

i still think h2 had the best multiplayer. gameplay, maps. the only thing it failed in was the whole smg start for every gamevariant / map...

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Hey don't get me wrong I don't dislike Halo 2, I just think Halo PC is the best version of Halo.

And obviously I've played with skilled people before. Hell, most CE regulars back in the day were better at aiming than me. King for example was way better at shooting than me, but I still remember that time I jumped off the top of Damnation, tapped him in the back and stole his rocket launcher :D

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Originally Posted by Pooky

I still remember that time I jumped off the top of Damnation, tapped him in the back and stole his rocket launcher :D

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I did that on Prisoner last year in a LAN that I set up in CompEng class. So satisfying. Except he had a shotgun instead.

Random thought, but 343i should call this game "Halo Anniversary". "Halo Combat Evolved Anniversary" is a bit of a misnomer.

I always call it Halo Anniversary. As far as I'm concerned, Halo CE is Custom Edition and the original game is just called Halo. "Combat Evolved" is just a stupid subtitle that Microsoft stuck on there so that stupid people wouldn't think it was a religious game.

Oh, and Halo Combat Evolved Anniversary is just a mouthful too.

Or they could have just called it "Halo Evolved", adding further confusion in the brand that is Halo. Halo Combat Evolved, Halo Custom Edition, Halo Evolutions, Halo Recon, Halo Goes to Hollywood, Halo Hurp Derp, etc

I like Limited's "HA10"

It's not even a subtitle. It's a marketing tagline. It'd be like calling a Subway restaurant, "Subway: Eat Fresh" or if a hypothetical tweenie novel was called, "Twilight: Why Do They Read This Crap? Really, Why?"

They heard we like taglines so they put taglines in their taglines so they can market while they market.

Seriously though, it probably hints that they may do other "Anniversary" games in the future. That's the only logical conclusion I can come up with. Well, this is MS/343i we're talking about. Nothing they've done thus far has been logical, and if anything, it's all been destructive to the franchise and the people who have really worked on it.

I don't think many people would buy an anniversary edition of Halo 2 (nobody wants to relive that cliffhanger) unless it included the online portion untouched as well. But we all know that WHEN Halo 2 Anniversary Edition comes out, the MP map remakes will be for Halo 4 or Halo 5...

I always liked the "Combat Evolved" at the end :(

Made it stand out a bit, I guess.

wow I only just found out about how the MP won't be a recreation of the original, instead just level geometry for the COD-wannabe that is Halo Reach. While I don't think Reach was fail, I just didn't like how it broke away from the old formula instead of staying with what ain't broke.

was it that hard to just do what CS Source was to CS 1.6? I'd gladly pay a full $60 to get a HD remake of the classic multiplayer. It might even make me pay for XBL in fact. But whether it's $10 or $40, I probably won't be getting Anniversary anymore. It's running on outdated hardware anyway. Maybe if a friend buys it, I'll borrow it for a night like I did with MW2, but nothing more.

Halo 1 multiplayer was just one of a kind, I honestly can't name anything besides Halo 2/3 that can be compared justifiably.

You're forgetting that the upcoming Title Update for Reach will allow 343i to modify the game in certain playlists to be able to create a feel as close as possible to Halo 1 multiplayer beyond what Bungie could previously do. They didn't want to put in Halo 1 multiplayer into Anniversary because they were afraid to split the community even though they would have loved to do it.

I suggest to wait to see what they'll be doing with the TU before deciding anything.

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Originally Posted by Hotrod

You're forgetting that the upcoming Title Update for Reach will allow 343i to modify the game in certain playlists to be able to create a feel as close as possible to Halo 1 multiplayer beyond what Bungie could previously do. They didn't want to put in Halo 1 multiplayer into Anniversary because they were afraid to split the community even though they would have loved to do it.

I suggest to wait to see what they'll be doing with the TU before deciding anything.

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And this I can't wait for!

HA10 is what i'm using :)

I havent felt this happy about a game since the H2 E3 presentation. Is it scary I remember it like it was yesterday? The sword elite standing on top a building next to the beach in Zanzibar..anyways I'm babbling.

I reminisce all the time, and this game is like a bucket full of memories of the time Halo CE was in its prime modding days, the community was bursting at its brim. I will either cry or cheer like mad when I finish the SP.

^Agreed.

If they can make the final Warthog run feel like new again I'd pay full price just for that. That was one of the most epic moments I ever experienced in a video game.

They should recreate the warthog run into an MP map, made for Forging race maps only

vrrm vrrm

But seriously, I hope CA is working on a Forge World successor :/

Even Marcus Lehto is trying to GTFO of Bungie before that Activision grip sets in whether it is in contract or no: http://twitter.com/#!/game_fabricato...37911114350592

Well, would YOU want to work on Call of Duty: Future Warfare or whatever the hell acti is making them do?

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Originally Posted by nuttyyayap

Well, would YOU want to work on Call of Duty: Future Warfare or whatever the hell acti is making them do?

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You don't know anything about Bungie's contract with Activision, do you? Bungie does whatever they want and Activision gives the money they need to do so. Activision doesn't give a shit what they make, they already know it's going to rake in millions.

He took down his two tweets about him leaving

I guess you could say...they were untweeted

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Originally Posted by Amit

You don't know anything about Bungie's contract with Activision, do you? Bungie does whatever they want and Activision gives the money they need to do so. Activision doesn't give a shit what they make, they already know it's going to rake in millions.

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I was under the idea that the PUBLISHER told the studio what to do? Guess I'm just an idiot then~ :saddowns:

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Originally Posted by nuttyyayap

I was under the idea that the PUBLISHER told the studio what to do? Guess I'm just an idiot then~ :saddowns:

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In some cases they do, it all depends on the contract. When Microsoft owned Bungie, they could tell them what to do and when to do it. With Activision, the contract allows Bungie to do what they want since they're still independant from them. All Activision is doing is publishing the games.

Okay, now I know, thanks.

I believe it's called a creative contract?

Does 343 sound really, really strange?

Yeah. Everything else is hot, though.

Yeah kind of.

Sounded normal to me >_>

Yeah, he did sound a bit different (higher pitched voice). Maybe they decided to be stupid and got a different voice actor? Hell, they'd better not do that for Chief and Cortana in the new Halo games...

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Originally Posted by Hotrod

Yeah, he did sound a bit different (higher pitched voice). Maybe they decided to be stupid and got a different voice actor? Hell, they'd better not do that for Chief and Cortana in the new Halo games...

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Nope, they did not get a new voice actor. It is still Tim Dadabo voicing 343, they said so in the Halo Universe panel at Comic-Con.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...1&postcount=28

Well, that explains that.

Sounds more robotic, still sounds like the same VA though. But however, I didn't find it that awesome; actually somewhat rather... not sure how to say, but the least would be "not up to par".

Not that interesting, but I have no interest in Halo 4 at all anyway so I won't look for them, and screw achivements.

its like the voice filter was just totally wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa4OVHA3ucU&feature=channel_video_title

Fucking Win.

I hope it's just a filter. I'd be dissapoint if I didn't see Tim Dabado in the credits.

It's really not a matter of "if" it's being released, and the gameplay is exactly the same. Where do you get any idea otherwise?

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Originally Posted by thehoodedsmack

It's really not a matter of "if" it's being released, and the gameplay is exactly the same. Where do you get any idea otherwise?

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This, and

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Originally Posted by Yingchun

If this thing comes out, it's going to ruin the nostalgia goggles forever.

"Wait, this plays a lot like its sequels, and not like the magic-infused daydream I remembered it as?

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if you think Halo 1 plays a lot like its sequels you either really suck or never actually played it at all.

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Originally Posted by Pooky

if you think Halo 1 plays a lot like its sequels you either really suck or never actually played it at all.

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You're talking to a spam bot

Yeah lol.

did that spam bot just paraphrase another post by someone else? i remember one of our solid members here saying that exact same thing but in different words.

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Originally Posted by Kornman00

You're talking to a spam bot

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Funny, I don't remember spam bots ever making posts actually relevant to the topic at hand, unless they've become a lot more advanced recently.

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Originally Posted by Donut

did that spam bot just paraphrase another post by someone else? i remember one of our solid members here saying that exact same thing but in different words.

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does sound pretty familiar actually.

Yeah, one actually directly copied what I posted once, and I was about to reply "Hey, that same exact thing happened to me," but then I double-checked my earlier posts in that thread, and found a really old post containing the origin of the statement.

it left an unclosed quotation mark. we all know bots cannot function without closed quotation marks...

oh god. its learning.

Fuck yo couch.

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I think there are some pages missing there :S

In the second last page, they didn't even bother putting the marines hands around the trigger and the AR itself. Lol.

Marine and AR not gonna look like that in-game so I dont' care. And I'm pretty sure that picture is quite outdated.

They're bringing back Creek again? Why?

Because that map was fun?

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Originally Posted by Amit

Marine and AR not gonna look like that in-game so I dont' care. And I'm pretty sure that picture is quite outdated.

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It's been shown that the AR has been changed, but how do we know the marines won't look that way?

Needs moar Stubbs the Zombie HD

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Originally Posted by Hotrod

It's been shown that the AR has been changed, but how do we know the marines won't look that way?

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Why would they change everything else to look like upgraded H1 stuff and then randomly leave the marines unchanged?

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Originally Posted by Amit

Why would they change everything else to look like upgraded H1 stuff and then randomly leave the marines unchanged?

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Well the Marines look pretty good already the way they are. If they were to change anything I think it should just be the colours to make them brown. Look at the Needler though, that's the Reach model and not an upgraded Halo 1 model. They're on a pretty tight schedule so they'll probably focus on the stuff that has a higher priority, such as the Wraith, Banshee, Scorpion, etc.

The marines have always made me cringe at the Anniversary screenshots.

This is Halo, not Ghost Recon.



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Edit: Other pages.

Actually, they're using Trooper models. Troopers (Army) != Marines. Someone at 343 didn't get that memo.

The marines look nearly identical to the troopers though asides from the colour. Like I said before, all they really need to do with these guys is make them brown and most people will be happy. Hell, I'd be happy if they left them like that too.

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Originally Posted by Amit

Because that map was fun?

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Not that it's not fun, but I think it's seriously overdone, not to mention Forge World replicas are everywhere as it is.

I would have much preferred another map that hasn't seen XBL yet.