Halo: Anniversary - The Halo 1 remake (fuck anyone who calls it "halo ce" remake)

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Originally Posted by Hotrod

The marines look nearly identical to the troopers though asides from the colour.

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I'm sorry, but they really don't look "nearly identical". Unless by "identical" you mean "both wear armor".

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Originally Posted by Kornman00

I'm sorry, but they really don't look "nearly identical". Unless by "identical" you mean "both wear armor".

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Marines :

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...ineUniform.jpg

Troopers :

http://www.halopedian.com/images/5/5...per_leader.jpg
Yeah, sure, there are a few minor differences, biggest ones being the closed-in helmet (which the Halo 1, 2 and 3 marines never had) and the slight colour difference. I'm willing to bet that most people didn't even notice the difference the first time around and aren't going to complain about them using the trooper model in Halo Anniversary.

In this case, I'd go as far as saying that the troopers look more like the Halo 1 marines than the marines themselves.

Troopers, like today's Army, have unit patches on their uniform. Marines, like today's Marines, don't (but they do wear the Corps' insignia). I can't recall a Marine in Reach being equipped with a backpack, or having their rank clearly visible either.

The Halo 1 marines had a very unique and rugged look. Their design makes it clear that they wear a lot of armour plating and I dunno, I guess I just like that they look like they can take some hits with those plates on. The Troopers and Marines in Reach don't have vambraces or shin armour like the marines in Halo 1 do so it looks like they would be more susceptible to taking hits in the legs and arms. The shoulder plates of the H1 marines don't look bulky and useless either. They seemed more human and less spartan, which I felt was good. Also, the Reach Troopers and Marines look fat. As if they are wearing heavy coats that fit to their bodies for trekking in the Arctic or some dumb shit like that. Maybe that's why I dislike the way they look so much.

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Originally Posted by Amit

They seemed more human and less spartan, which I felt was good.

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I agree.

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Originally Posted by Amit

The Troopers and Marines in Reach don't have vambraces or shin armour like the marines in Halo 1 do so it looks like they would be more susceptible to taking hits in the legs and arms.

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The 2nd trooper in the 1st Trooper image that hotrod posted has shin armor, just thought I'd point that out.

But I agree, the Halo 1 marine armor had a more solid metal look to it (and from memory, sound) which made it seem like they could take a hit or 2.

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Originally Posted by Guardian

The 2nd trooper in the 1st Trooper image that hotrod posted has shin armor, just thought I'd point that out.

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I'm not seeing it. All I see are hardended knee pads and the BDU covers the shins.

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Originally Posted by Kornman00

Troopers, like today's Army, have unit patches on their uniform. Marines, like today's Marines, don't (but they do wear the Corps' insignia). I can't recall a Marine in Reach being equipped with a backpack, or having their rank clearly visible either.

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Hmm, I never really noticed the unit patches or the Corps' insignia, but that would make a difference to those who check those details (cause they do matter in the end).

But I agree that the Halo 1 marines looked sick with their metallic armour and would love to see an updated version of them instead of the Reach marines/troops, but I'm not gonna make a big deal if they didn't.

Reach dudes look like something straight out of Cawwaduty. Fuck that shit. Halo 1 or even Halo 2 style marines ftfw.

Halo 2 marines look like their armour is as thin as cardboard, but I'd still take that over Reach marines.

Halo 1 marines were my favorite. They looked so much more interesting then the other ones. Even the pilot from the POA level with her helmet was way more awesome than the ones in Halo 3 that flew the pelicans.

I think it's the fact that the Marines have larger and more armour plates in H1 rather than the small dinky looking shit in H3 and Reach. The helmet in H1 looks pretty damn solid, too.

Marines in the preview video were placeholders from Reach.

That's what I'm assuming, but some others are saying otherwise.

Well the problem is that we haven't seen any new screens with the marines in them. Only new screens with Elites, Grunts, some weapons, and the Chief.

New plasma rifle sound is sick nasty awesome. Why couldn't they think of that for Halo 2, 3, and Reach? Pistol sounds squishy, though.

I wonder if the sounds change back to original when you switch graphics modes.

They said in various places that the HD sounds are used at all times, so no

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Originally Posted by Kornman00

They said in various places that the HD sounds are used at all times, so no

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That will be odd.

...yeah. Wish they would just convert HCE multiplayer to X360. That would beat out everything else. That's all we really want.

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Originally Posted by Kornman00

They said in various places that the HD sounds are used at all times, so no

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Probable Translation: Guns will switch around but scripted events likely won't.

HD as in they've been cleaned up to properly work with surround sound and such. Music, on the other hand, has been remastered.

The only sounds that haven't been touched are the voices, which is exactly how it should be.

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Originally Posted by Kornman00

HD as in they've been cleaned up to properly work with surround sound and such. Music, on the other hand, has been remastered.

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Not sure I like the idea of a remastered score. I loved the clean feel of the first game's music. That's not to say that the other games had worse music, they were just different. That said, I loved the remastered version of "On a Pale Horse" used in Halo 3.

vOv, 343i didn't do the remastering themselves so it should be good. Unless 343i had them throw in "extra" stuff

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Originally Posted by Kornman00

vOv, 343i didn't do the remastering themselves so it should be good. Unless 343i had them throw in "extra" stuff

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You mean as in remaster it the same way they "remastered" the music for legends?

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Originally Posted by =sw=warlord

You mean as in remaster it the same way they "remastered" the music for legends?

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which was pretty bad imho

Well, I do remember them saying that almost all of the electronic-based pieces had been rewritten for an orchestral feel... say goodbye to half the ambiance music of the original.

Well, there goes the hope I had in a remastered "Bat2" (Dunno soundtrack name, Derp :saddowns:)

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Originally Posted by Teltaur

Well, I do remember them saying that almost all of the electronic-based pieces had been rewritten for an orchestral feel... say goodbye to half the ambiance music of the original.

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R.I.P. Truth and Reconciliation Suite. Also R.I.P "Demons, Monsters".

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Originally Posted by Warsaw

R.I.P. Truth and Reconciliation Suite

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nooooooooooooooo

Seriously, what on Earth could have possessed them to make such an abhorrent change?

Maybe to make it consistent with Halo 4 or maybe they think pulling in the Skywalker Orchestra makes the game more popular?

Where and when did they say that though? With their obsession with wanting to keep the game's feel the same as the original, I wouldn't think they would make the music so different to make it a complete disaster.

I could sway either way on the music. I really was never a fan of any of the ambient sound music tracks, but then again the music is all part of the level design we've grown attached to the past 10 years. I think we just need to hold our judgement until we get a preview.

I'll be excited to know whoever is composing the new music. If they pull it off, I'll have a ton of faith in 343's ability to preserve the Halo universe for the next trilogy. As long as they don't lose the classic "da da da dum" at the core of the Halo music, they should be in good shape.

What I miss is the [Native American-sounding] guy singing in the background of that same theme. He was present in the first game and deleted from all subsequent remixes. I also want the "Demons, Monsters" theme to stay. It's the music that plays when you first start combating the Flood and also when you have to destroy the two Wraiths at the end of Two Betrayals. That track made the Flood.

At first I saw the Last Page and was like "They revealed some music?" and the after looking a couple of pages back I was like "Oh it's all just crying over theories. Yay."

Honestly, until I hear the music, I'm not going to have an impression or say anything prematurely negative. It's kind of pointless to get mad over something that you haven't even seen/heard being remade in this game, especially when sources and information is considerably scarce, am I right?

The theories are based on the music made for Legends. That and I'm really skeptical of any shit that 343i tries to crap out based on what I know about MS and what I've heard about the current "standing" of that studio.

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Originally Posted by DarkHalo003

At first I saw the Last Page and was like "They revealed some music?" and the after looking a couple of pages back I was like "Oh it's all just crying over theories. Yay."

Honestly, until I hear the music, I'm not going to have an impression or say anything prematurely negative. It's kind of pointless to get mad over something that you haven't even seen/heard being remade in this game, especially when sources and information is considerably scarce, am I right?

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Also, is it really necessary to try and fix something that was perfectly fine to begin with? I can think of several things they could better spend the time and resources on, namely porting over the multiplayer.

Audio guys do not work on BSPs/graphics/weapons/multiplayer/engine design

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Originally Posted by jcap

Audio guys do not work on BSPs/graphics/weapons/multiplayer/engine design

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^ lol this, but they do have to be paid, pay others to do other work!!!

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Originally Posted by Warsaw

Also, is it really necessary to try and fix something that was perfectly fine to begin with? I can think of several things they could better spend the time and resources on, namely porting over the multiplayer.

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They could port over the multiplayer if they wanted to, but they have already stated to not do so due to the fact that they didn't want to split the Halo multiplayer base into two games, especially since Halo 4 is coming out next year. So the guys who would have worked on that are either making the rest of Halo Anniversary look better or working on Halo 4 and making sure that's as good as it can be.

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Originally Posted by higuy

^ lol this, but they do have to be paid, pay others to do other work!!!

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Exactly what I was getting at.

@Hotrod: That is just a story they are feeding us. The player base is already fragmented between Reach and Halo 3, and then there are still those few that continue playing ODST Firefight.

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Originally Posted by Hotrod

They could port over the multiplayer if they wanted to, but they have already stated to not do so due to the fact that they didn't want to split the Halo multiplayer base into two games

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There's no MP base to split if they did a PC version :trollface:

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Originally Posted by Hotrod

They could port over the multiplayer if they wanted to, but they have already stated to not do so due to the fact that they didn't want to split the Halo multiplayer base into two games, especially since Halo 4 is coming out next year. So the guys who would have worked on that are either making the rest of Halo Anniversary look better or working on Halo 4 and making sure that's as good as it can be.

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Does the fact that Halo 4 comes out by the end of 2012 bother anyone? I mean, I honestly think it's WAY too soon. Reach has been out for about a little more than a year, reaching two. The argument of not wanting to split their player base is bull; once Halo 4 out, the Halo gaming community will probably be fractured, especially since many still play Halo 3.

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Originally Posted by DarkHalo003

Does the fact that Halo 4 comes out by the end of 2012 bother anyone? I mean, I honestly think it's WAY too soon. Reach has been out for about a little more than a year, reaching two. The argument of not wanting to split their player base is bull; once Halo 4 out, the Halo gaming community will probably be fractured, especially since many still play Halo 3.

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Well they've been working on it for a while now, probably around a year or two, so it's not too soon development-wise. If Halo 4 succeeds, most of the players will migrate to it from Halo 3 and Reach.

Also, Call of Duty has a release every year and Black Ops still has a hell of a lot of players. I see no reason why Halo 4 can't do the same.

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Originally Posted by Warsaw

@Hotrod: That is just a story they are feeding us. The player base is already fragmented between Reach and Halo 3, and then there are still those few that continue playing ODST Firefight.

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Most Halo players play Reach, with about 20 000 max playing Halo 3 since they don't like Reach enough to play it (or just never bothered to buy it). Like I said before, if Halo 4 is a success (for some people, that would mean being more like Halo 3 than Reach), then a lot of those people will move to the new game.

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Originally Posted by Kornman00

There's no MP base to split if they did a PC version :trollface:

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Yeah, but that's never gonna happen, knowing Microsoft... :saddowns:

I have to wonder if Halo4 will even be about/have MP. I can see them doing a campaign-only thing, and maybe a Firefight shindig. They would be playing a dangerous game, trying to define a new MP experience (since the way I understand it, they won't be re-using the Reach engine).

The whole base scenario right now leaves a lot of space open for forerunner weaponry, which I'm semi-interested in for mulitplayer. unless by the second mission the Forerunner planet he lands on teleports him straight to Earth. I'll call bullshit and shenanigans if anything of that nature ever happens.

They're probably going back to the Halo1 feel, with having the Chief be the center of everything and having next to nothing in terms of support (eg, no marines)

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Originally Posted by DarkHalo003

Does the fact that Halo 4 comes out by the end of 2012 bother anyone? I mean, I honestly think it's WAY too soon.

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AFAIK they've been working at H4 since before Reach comes out.

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Originally Posted by FRain

AFAIK they've been working at H4 since before Reach comes out.

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IMO, it doesn't matter how long before Reach they were working on it, but how long after Reach they release it. In other words, let the players actually have a chance to thoroughly enjoy a game as long as possible before releasing another game on the same platform that will fracture the player base. It's only been a year so far; at the very least, it should be three.

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Originally Posted by Hotrod

Most Halo players play Reach, with about 20 000 max playing Halo 3 since they don't like Reach enough to play it (or just never bothered to buy it). Like I said before, if Halo 4 is a success (for some people, that would mean being more like Halo 3 than Reach), then a lot of those people will move to the new game.

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Again, shenanigans. They fragmented the Halo 2 base when they released Halo 3. They fragmented Halo 3 when they released Halo: Reach. Why is it for them to decide what type of multiplayer that we, the players, want to play? They are always going on about how many options they offer. The way I look at it, them making another game is just adding another option. Also, it's not like the sales of one will cannibalize the sales of the other, they are two different games.

The way most people see it is that the newer one is meant to replace the older one. Activision definitely picked up on this trend and started charging people out of their ass for games and DLC and making them come out every year.

They should just use the new trilogy to tell a story, and continue to support Halo Reach for Halo's MP. For example, H4 could be bundled with a Halo2 ports for Reach (developed, as usual, by Certain Affinity). They want to fuck around with the universe, fine, they've already set the sails of that ship. However, they need to trend lightly with MP.

I'd rather see the multiplayer revamped at least one more time. Reach multiplayer is shallow, unskilled, random, frustrating and boring compared to any of its predecessors.

Halo MP getting "revamped" doesn't mean it will address any of those perceived problems. Besides, they have the TU coming!

Why is there an Energy Sword on Beaver Creek.

Looks like there are two shotguns, camo & overshield too.

Meh, Forge.

wait what the fuck. they wanted to bring back a select few of the best halo 1 maps and they chose damnation? did they at least do anything to address the spawn and teleport raping on blue?
E: it looks like they added that rock wall in, but the camera never really looked directly at it. at least it looks beautiful
E2: other video loaded, finally. looks like they fixed it.

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Originally Posted by Frankie

The TU will be controlled at the Matchmaking level. That means you could switch from hopper to hopper and see compeltely different behaviors and rules between hoppers. That means you could have seen a variety of rules in those videos. And in fact you did. Some of them invisible, effectively. We will be working with MLG in the future to evolve and adapt with MLG's preferences as the Organization starts to figure out ways to use the TU additions.

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Why does Bungie 343i have to be sucking MLG's dick so hard? What about the rest of us who actually want to enjoy the game we play and not just play it because it's the competitive thing to do?

Finally, the multiplayer doesn't need to be revamped, it needs to be fixed. I have a hunch that it's the MLG-desired changes that keep fucking it over.

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Originally Posted by Warsaw

Finally, the multiplayer doesn't need to be revamped, it needs to be fixed.

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Just remove all the bullshit gimmicks, fix the physics and have some maps that are actually good. That would help a lot.

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Originally Posted by Warsaw

Why does Bungie 343i have to be sucking MLG's dick so hard? What about the rest of us who actually want to enjoy the game we play and not just play it because it's the competitive thing to do?

Finally, the multiplayer doesn't need to be revamped, it needs to be fixed. I have a hunch that it's the MLG-desired changes that keep fucking it over.

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Such as how the plasma launcher is now pretty pathetic, the spartan laser is even more pathetic and the sniper rifle has fucking shit loads more auto aim than a pedophile in Disney land.
Don't even get me started about how they bitched about the grenade being over powered, it's a fucking grenade, it's going to fuck you up.
As I recall, MLG chose Halo as their flagship game, Halo didn't choose MLG.
Since then the game has gone down shitter ever since due to MLG begging for changes they "must have".
That's right pooky, the MLG competitive demands have basicly taken a massive steaming shit on the game and made it what it is now.

Wow... Damnation looks amazing.
Beaver Creek always has, is, and always will be, incredibly dull.

Ugh, why 343, why?
If you are gonna bring back the classic maps, don't fuck with the layout. I really disliked how they took out the gaps in Damnation and threw in the lifts on Beaver Creek. And while there are several smaller issues I could address, I won't. But to me, that's like putting the blow-torch on high and pointing it at my balls. Classic maps don't need to be revamped from before, just made prettier. Cold Storage, while not the best example, was a really great remake in my opinion. Bungie didn't touch much of the layout, they just redecorated it. That's the way these maps should have been done.

/rant

Anyways, I hope they don't make us bite the pillow with the rest of these maps. We'll just see how things go.

They seem to be what Last Resort was to Zanzibar, I'm gonna wait to play them before judging. In plus, they'll block off the new sections for the classic playlist anyway.

h2_zanzibar > Zanzibar > Last Resort.

Whachoo talkin' 'bout Warsaw? Last Resort > Zanzibar Classic > Zanzibar > h2_zanzibar

I'm really liking what I see of Beaver Creek and Damnation. Makes me wish that Certain Affinity did the campaign instead of Sabre.

I was the most boss player in the world on h2_zanzibar. I made everybody quit that map, it was so ridiculous. I was only above average on the real thing.

The only thing I don't like so far is they filled in the gaps on dammy. Hopefully you will be able to remove those in forge or something.

Anything that you see that doesn't align with the classic versions (save for the structures replacing the crates in the base areas of Damnation, probably, due to the fact that they look highly built-in) will be able to be deleted (planks on Damnation), blocked off (tunnels on Battle Creek), or obscured (lifts on Damnation and Battle Creek).

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Originally Posted by =sw=warlord

That's right pooky, the MLG competitive demands have basicly taken a massive steaming shit on the game and made it what it is now.

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What in god's name would make you think I'm pro MLG? I've always been part of the anti-MLG bandwagon. Get that stick out of your butt please sir.

DMR Bloom is gone!

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That's one shitty gimmick down. Now we just need to do away with those pesky armor abilities.

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Originally Posted by Pooky

That's one shitty gimmick down. Now we just need to do away with those pesky armor abilities.

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Originally Posted by Necr0matic

DMR Bloom is gone!

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It wasn't until Reach when I realized how satisfying it is for bullets to actually go where I'm pointing my gun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y2KJnuj2Pc

Now it's a bright, happy swamp.

Yeah, what the hell. It looks really bright and not scary compared to the thing that gave me nightmares when I first played through it..

Just needs a bucket of fog dumped on it.

agreed, the swamps fog needs to be thicker. The atmosphere looks a lot different though, not nearly as dark and gloomy. The terminals look really nice though

Yeah the fog blanket really helped the atmosphere of that level. Still, pretty sure me and Pooky are going to have a blast on co-op legendary with this.

Looks like utter shit, to be honest. I don't like any of the "Visual Updates" for sparky.
You let me down, 343, you really did...

Needs more dark, a hell of a lot more dark.

Agree with everyone on that, they made it way to bright. I really hope that was for the demo builds so they could show off the new graphics assets.

Even though it's not dark and foggy like the original (which I'm guessing they'll do soon enough anyway), I for one do like the visual upgrades they've done to the level, especially the Forerunner structure.

actually it needs to be more like this


Didn't really help playing Force Unleashed 2 before watching the trailer...looks really lame.

lmao.

I like the idea that if you're playing the reach version, it has added stuff to accommodate for armor abilities. If you want the original feel, all of that is gone. Nice.

They actually formulated that well. I could actually have fun again.

Good changes, I'd be happy to see them in CE tbh (especially the side tunnels)

Its been a while but wasn't there ladders (air lifts if you like) in the H1 version while the ramps were added in H2?

z0mg!

yeah youre right, there were ladders in halo 1.

Whenever I see campaign footage, the first thing that comes to mind is "CMT SP v2." That's the vibe I get from it.

www.halomods.com/cmt /shamelessadvertising

I like what they've done with battle creek, the SP as a whole, I love for the most part the visual changes, and i'm sure it will be fun since it is H1 at it's core, but I really wish they did a better job with everything else as it feels like a copy&paste of content from reach and H3.

And the lighting makes it feel like a CMT campaign job. It looked amazing in Halo 1. For a professional studio with full access to the game and then some, it feels amateurish. I'm not complaining so much as observing; I'm going to buy and enjoy the game either way; since the game play is the same, I know it will be fun.

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Originally Posted by Warsaw

I'm going to buy and enjoy the game either way; since the game play is the same, I know it will be fun.

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This just in: they're removing the pistol because grunts are now on the endangered species list, and they're worried they won't have enough for Halo4

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When I saw "Battle Canyon", I was hoping for Danger Canyon :(

I was just reading back on this thread and I love how some of you are already talking about a halo 2 remake already even though the first hasnt even came out yet. All I can say is that if they EVER decide to remake halo 2, they better give us What we expected from the first game without fucking up the story. Starting with outskirts, this is the first campaign we ever touched down onto earth in the halo universe, however this was presented very poorly and im sure everyone was expecting what we all saw when the E3 beta of halo 2 came out, instead we get a mainly close quarters area to start in as soon as the level starts. The map had huge potential, and couldve been the map to change the way people look at the campaign in general, as the game was meant to emphasize the covenant on earth. I could go into more detail about the other maps, but im sure you all get what im saying. The game sucked SP wise and doesnt deserve a remake, and a GOOD remake would most likely throw people off because it would require a lot of changes in some of the levels and there layouts.

Sorry for the rant, but the first game in my opinion is the only one worthy of a remake.

^ this for fucks sake. odst kind of redeemed that a little bit gameplay and atmosphere wise. maybe if it fucking had some elites in it, it could be called halo 2 odst.

heres an idea: halo 1 weapon set with next gen graphics (but KEEP the original look) with odst style city fighting + more close quarters (and halo 1 shotgun means a shotgun is actually fucking USEFUL) that takes place during the same period as halo 2 with halo 2 style enemies, branded as "what halo 2's sp should have been". oh and no random ass 1sk beam rifle foot shots either.

Or, they could get rid of this legacy shit and start over. I would love to see them do a realism-style Halo, even if it's only for one game.

yeah they could do that, while just making it fun. im so fucking sick of worrying about what gun i have, because some of the guns are just so much less useful than others. like in halo 1, as long as youre not playing on legendary, you could use pretty much any combination of weapons aside from maybe the needler, and be ok. in halo 3 / odst / reach its like if youre not carrying a dmr or at the very least, a pistol, youre at a huge disadvantage because grunts take so many god damned bullets to kill if it isnt a headshot. and you run out of ammo a lot faster too, so that doesnt help the situation at all.