Airsoft Thread

What do you mean by "more bulk"? From a physical standpoint the SCAR is much smaller than most M4 and M16 configurations of similar barrel length. The upper and lower receiver portions of the gun, as well as the stock are all much more compact.

The SCAR is easier to disassemble and maintain, it's easier to reconfigure for different purposes, it's lighter, it has less recoil, and it's much more compact than the existing M4/M16 configurations.

When I say the XM8 is impractical, I mean that the gun comes "as-is". Sure there are some variants of it, and yes its fairly easy to reconfigure, but it has no rail space. All accessories for the XM8 are proprietary, and when there's an option like Picatinny out there you're foolish not to use it.

It actually had a different rail system in mind, one that used a series of holes with pins. They never got that far, though.

As for bulky, I've wielded one, and it was tall and thin compared to the M416. That's awkward. The hand-guard and buttstock are my biggest beefs. As for ease of stripping for cleaning, lolwat. Pull a pin, flip down, and you're good to go. How does it really get any simpler than that? The receiver is almost identical in dimensions (by design), with the exception that it appears to be integrated with the hand-guard. Recoil is not less, it's felt less. Physics demands that the recoil be the same. Oh, and it's compact compared to the AR because that stock folds, which adds bulk in its width.

I'm no AR apologetic, I love my AKs. But the SCAR is not a considerable step up from the M16 to be practical. It's like trying to say Sandy Bridge is a worthwhile upgrade over Gulftown. Honestly, nothing still shooting 5.56 is a good upgrade, and anything not incorporating BARS or equivalent is a wasted gesture. We are currently at the epitome of cartridge-based firearms.

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And that's not even a stock M4, where as that is a pretty close to stock SCAR-L.

Those scales look off.

And yes the SCAR is easier to break down since it's one pin for the receiver and then four screws to take the ENTIRE thing apart. The stock provides better cheek-weld than a regular AR stock, only thing you can really compare it to are some of the Magpul stocks which are just as bulky.

Looking at the magazines, they are pretty close. And looking at it again, the SCAR receiver is clearly bigger.

Cheek-weld? Ha ha, you need to pick one. Are we going to boast its compactness or its comfort when used as a long-range weapon? In this case, it's trying to be too much and losing where it counts. It's a terrible long range weapon because it's firing 5.56 (if we're talking SCAR-H, then we should be comparing it to the superior SR25 and M39 platforms). It's terrible because it is compact. It's terrible as a close range weapon because now it's being huge and cheek-weld takes a back seat to point-ability in CQC. It loses in point-ability because it's huge, again.

Now, the AR is not great any of those things, either. When the SCAR is placed next to an XM8 and compared to the existing platform, they are both just as bad at trying to be a replacement. The only reason the SCAR is being considered is because it has a similar layout to the AR. There, the HK416 has the upper hand. Hell, the Marine Corps has bought many of the HK and its 7.62mm counterpart. The SCAR is relegated to special ops in the Navy, where adoption is moot because they appear to get their pick of whatever they need or want anyways.

Oh, and if you need to take your ENTIRE gun apart in the field, you're better off grabbing another rifle. Maybe I'm uneducated here, but all you might need to do in the field is clear away some muck or get out of a jam. The AR lets you do that. Actually, I can pretty thoroughly clean an AR without having to take it all the way apart. So no advantage for the SCAR there, yet again.

tl; dr: SCAR is terrible when considered as an upgrade to anything NOT an immediate post-war weapon. That means the only guns it is a good upgrade to are things like the FAL, FNC, M14 (not M21/M39), AK-74, and G3/CETME. It's not good against the G36, AR-15, AUG, or AK-107/AEK-917.

SCAR stock does perfect in CQC just as well as long range due to the easily used cheek weld.

If you're not welding in CQC you're doing it seriously wrong. With an AR you should ALWAYS be welding your face to the stock unless you're blind firing. Blind firing =/= CQC. Seriously go watch some practical tactical videos like the Magpul Dynamics stuff (there are waaaay more out there but Magpul is super-well known now). Also, if you're blind firing or just trying to get off a fast shot then it doesn't matter what stock you have... It being smaller or larger shouldn't matter at all.

Bottom line is that the SCAR is superior to the AR platform in every way. Enough to be a worthy upgrade for an entire military? No. No 5.56 rifle will be a cost-effective upgrade to the current generation of AR platforms, and I agree with you on that point. But from a purely technical standpoint there are many better options than the AR platform for 5.56 (especially the Tavor, heh).

You are acting as if I don't have a clue. I know exactly what I'm talking about here. Yes, welding is important, but it means fuck all if I have to exert myself swinging the front-end of my gun around. I have to exert myself to swing that massive front-end of the SCAR around compared to a same-length M4.

Sorry to break it to you, but your favourite gun is not superior in any tangible way. If it were, it would see more wide-spread adoption. Hell, the only way to honestly get better than an AR is to make a gun that needs less TLC, and there are DOZENS of guns that do that better than the SCAR.

Fake E: And since we both know you have to weld, that makes that folding stock you think makes adore so much on the SCAR, and think makes it more compact, irrelevant.

Folding stocks are for portability inside of vehicles and the like. Not for shooting "gangsta style" from the hip or outstretched in front of you.

Also, the front end of a real SCAR is much lighter than a full length M16 (since the rails/hand guard don't run all the way along the barrel). If you compare it to an M4 they're about the same.

Also, I'm basing most of this on the SCAR-H that I've actually used. Because I prefer the H over the L, so as you say I should be comparing to to something like an SR25 (which is basically an M16 length rifle in any practical configuration). Pretty sure even the H model SCAR is lighter than an M4 though.

Only reason I got an L for airsoft is magazine compatibility.

Not so sure if the ipad app is just a gimmick, but it's pretty cool if it actually works, same with the auto hopup. There should definitely have been a built in cap for the app though.

people on youtube are saying its a hoax, and i cant find the thing anywhere on evike's site. idk though, i didnt look too hard.

Maybe, haven't bothered confirming any of it. Nonetheless, the actual airsoft gun part of it seems real enough. Played a few games today on my friend's family's compound with a good amount of cluttered warehouses and toppled cinder-block walls. I must say out of all my gear(excluding my gun), the best investment were the gloves. I had to traverse thorn ridden rubble and hop fences bf3 style and they really helped with traction and protection. Plus, I had to crawl through compost heaps, and I would have literally been crawling through shit bare-handed.