New weapon this late into the process?
I like this one
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New weapon this late into the process?
I like this one
Definitely the red dot scope on the last one. Sexy.
glad you took my advice and use the CRDS instead of the scope.
We're not using it yet. Seems like the red dot scope is getting most of the votes.
Huh? It's been posted plenty of times before this...Quote:
Originally Posted by Advancebo
O, nvm then, I havent been here much.Quote:
Originally Posted by teh lag
Also, I like this red dot scope model better
http://store.matrixbb.com/catalog/Sc...Action_lg2.gif
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Originally Posted by Advancebo
This.
Scope on the SMG is fucking retarded. I'd rather be able to see what I'm shooting at.
the scope on the smg looks hawt :D
Red dot ftw.
Thats an ACOG scope mate and that would look terrible on the SMG :downs:Quote:
Originally Posted by Advancebo
Go with the iron sights. I'd prefer something custom instead of a red dot sight that exists IRL.
They all exist in real life, or in H3 ODST.
Putting a rifle scope on an smg looks stupid as hell.
ftfy.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnaFuBAR
That is not an ACOG scope. That is a red dot laser, v2.
I agree with Advancebo, I don't know what that type of scope is called though. I'd like to see how it looks ingame though before I would decide. The red dot looks good ingame but doesn't make sense on an SMG.
That, or putting something that looks like a rifle scope onto it (such as that laser sight 2.0 thingy). I say that you should put on the second option on, it's the one that looks best on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnaFuBAR
AFAIK it has magnification and is calibrated for rifle cartridge trajectory. I didn't say it was an ACOG, l2 read.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamingRain
Tbh, no one on the team gives a fuck about the accuracy of the attachment to real life guns. We just care what looks best.
Well it doesnt make any sence to have the scope on it since the weapon is an inaccurate weapon, unlike the BR or Pistol that actually have it for a purpose.
Also, the SMG gets a lot less distance then the BR or pistol too.
That reasoning doesn't really apply, it's just a glorifie laser scope which provides the same functionality as ironsights would.
It all comes down to looks, there's no zoom or scoping capabilities. The specop SMG, is just like the regular except it has slower rate of fire and slightly less spread, and it's going to stay that way, regardless of which attachment is applied.
If it had to be anything, I'd personally go with the red dot scope.
this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterz1337
red dot plzkthx.
so your saying even if you put the acog on it there wont even be a zoom?
its gonna act like the normal smg gameplay wise
I don't think anyone on the team even knows what an ACOG is, but the specop smg has a slightly lower ROF (less recoil as a side effect) and is a bit more accurate. It's still a high powered bullet hose though.
yayQuote:
Originally Posted by Masterz1337
http://dynamicarmament.com/images/TR...OG-TRD-031.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by FlamingRain
Thats an ACOG scope and ACOG scopes are meant for Rifles :|
E: What snaf said
Call of Duty 4 lied to me!
i like this one for the smg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8...progresfn2.jpg
Good choice and Welcome to the forums.
Thanks. I like that one better than the other red-dot because I personally wouldn't want a scope that big on a SMG as you're usually close combat with it. Though whatever you do with it will be ok and cool cause you guys are putting the time in for these mods.
yes. It'd be pointless. Besides, other is ugly.
I like the new guy, he seems to be smarter than a few.
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnaFuBAR
Scope is stupid, what new guy posted is cool, just with a ammo indicator of some sort inbuilt into the glass like a screen, just in the corner, not necessarily numbers rather a simple bar loader.
Agreed, he seems like a pretty smart guy, we should all go up and cuddle with him.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by SnaFuBAR
So let's get this straight. Neither SMGs have zooming capabilities? The attachments are purely for looks besides the laser pointer which would replace the need for iron sights gameplay wise?Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterz1337
That is an ACOG sight. The one that he posted had a tad bit of magnification but not really enough to be significant. It's still a red dot sight. ACOG sights recharge in sunlight and usually have crosshairs in the sighting lense, not a red dot.Quote:
Originally Posted by disaster
I agree and vote for Markopolo's choice. That red dot reflex sight looks best. The style from COD4. An Eotech sight might be most suitable, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by markopolo
Red Dot Reflex:
Eotech:
http://www.triplebreakproducts.com/i...ch/EOTECH1.jpg
http://www.triplebreakproducts.com/i...ch/EOTECH2.jpg
I love the Eotech, especially in COD4. But it still seems a little too big for a SMG.
I think its a great idea. Keep it.
Basically. Wait, how about using a red dot reflex sight model with the Eotech reticle pattern or projected "image" to compensate for the spread. Wait, if there is no aim down the sight function that last part about the spread matters not.Quote:
Originally Posted by markopolo
Which one's a good idea?Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathen
red dot
...................... Why the hell does Master Chief need a scope for his smg NOW?
..... Why does the SMG need a scope in the first place?
If you want the red dot, put it RIGHT under the silenced barrel. Saves room, time, efficiency, and looks less bulky and still pertaining to the Awesome Silenced SMG style.
Because it looks awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by AAA
I agree with Heathen.
then I like you
Mastercheif might not need a scope, but aren't you forgetting your marine friends? :)
exactly. This would have most likely been dropped by a fellow marine.
or ODST
I like the electrosight. No need for bulky scopes, just a nice dot in the middle of a clear screen kthx.
how do you look down a sight if it's underneath the gun?Quote:
Originally Posted by AAA
I say a silencer AND red dot is kinda meh...
Considering a silencers dumbs down the range to begin with, and should only be used in stealth-like situations..
I say one or the other, but that's my opinion..
He just said red dot, not red dot scope. I think he was just talking about a pointer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amit
I think the red dot you have looks sexy enough.
Guys, I really don't think Masterz cares about the accuracy of his scope vs. real life scopes. You seem to be forgetting that Halo takes place over 500 years in the future. I don't think they'll have the exact same scopes they do now, so, not to be insulting to anyone here, taking scopes from a gun of today is kinda stupid, IMO.
I like the red dot one. But this isn't really my decision. I posted this because the team as a whole each had vastly different opinions on what we should do.
A red dot on your enemy is totally gonna give you away...
guess its a good thing halo doesnt support a flag saying "panic when lasered" :haw:. however, if youre using a projectile for the "laser" i'm sure you can work some kind of AI magic to where after its been on the AI for so long, it will cause the AI to notice it (maybe some form of non-harmful super-detenation?)
http://www.bungie.net/images/Games/J...Concept-01.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Heathen
Bungie seems to agree with Heathen.
(That little thing on the top of the SMG is a Red Dot Laser Sight, just more compact then CMT's version because of 500 years of advancement)
No, you misunderstand. Your thinking they are talking about a pointer. They mean a red dot sight. Its different. I am too tired to google up some pictures so here. http://google.com/Quote:
Originally Posted by Kornman00
Mhm. Damn right they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by spartan123209
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Korn.
http://www.theshootersbox.com/store/...adot_panav.jpg
http://combatoptical.com/images/prod...T401MT004D.jpg
http://www.cod4central.com/images/co...ons/mp5rds.jpg
http://www.projectcoe.com/Quickstart...ulti/cod44.jpg
http://www.cod4central.com/images/co...cod4reddot.jpg
Its just a red dot projected onto the center of a piece of transparent material.
What about a EOTECH with magnifier?
i think red dots just dont fit into halo.
Strange...because its IN halo.Quote:
Originally Posted by dark57
How about a Iron Sight but with some sort of holgram red dot floating above it? Sounds Halo to me :)
ya and i personaly hate it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathen
I still think you should use none of them and make something better. This is Halo, the future. They have holograms. It would be nice for a change and something different like a iron sight style but with some hologram emitters to emmit a dot or something.
I havnt seen something like that been done before. I think it would look cool, with some pretty lights as well :)
Edit: Something like this?
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g2...Untitled-6.jpg
Emitters
Pretty lights would be exactly what you don't want on a gun for specop missions.
:(
But it looks nice and sparkly :)
I vote that the Red Dot Sight stays.
It looks smexy.
I vote that CMT does whatever they want to, and takes outside feedback only when they choose to.
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8...progresfn2.jpg
But I think it looks a bit to small for the SMG... I vote for that though ^
No holographic sight :(
ahh.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobtheGreatII
You haven't even seen what it looks like yet besides the compact model!Quote:
Originally Posted by dark57
I c wut u did tharQuote:
Originally Posted by Sever
I vote that they asked for outside feedback in this particular situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sever
I honestly approve of anything but the scope, unless they trick out the scope with an awesome feature. I like the reflex scope, though they say that it's hardly an option. I say put the iron sighting in to show that CE can have iron sightings in it, since this mod is all about pushing the engine to its limit. Then again, I'm sure an intricate scope feature could be enough to make it worth having the bulk on the small SMG. It's mainly it looking funny that bothers me. Because of the SMG's look and groves on it's top, the Iron Sighting just fits it better IMO.
Either go with a RD sight, or a laser module. Scope looks tacky as hell, and makes zero sense.
Don't care if it's a game set in the future. If you look at all of the human weapons Bungie put into the game, they all have elements on them that make sense; nothing out of place or wierd. As much as CMT strives to put their own twist on things, there are still boundaries between cool and dumb.
Well it's mainly the proportions of the barrel to the SMG, the barrel matching the groves, and the fact that you're putting a barrel on the SMG. Those three things just make the barrel clash with the rest of the gun and its design.Quote:
Originally Posted by p0lar_bear
Psh You all act like Bungie takes care to make EVERYTHING make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by p0lar_bear
SMG recoil
H1 Forerunner Architecture
AR clip
Carbine Clip
Spiker Drum
Needler reloading
Those are things off the top of my head that they obviously took the route of making things look cool and be practice above realism.
Hell H3R has the laser sight, and it makes 0 sense for that seeing as it has iron sights built into the gun.
red dot sights are easier to use in an instant
hence why people mount them on weapons with iron sights in the first place
lol, you didn't know that masters?
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Originally Posted by Masterz1337
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An OSDT's helmet does more than just conceal one's identity or hinder head shots. IIRC, in Cole Protocol OSDTs have HUDs of their own (which I'm sure Recon will backup), so why would they need a red dot sight on a weapon when they have a system that works just like a spartan's HUD? Kinda doesn't help the whole "oh well its a fallen OSDT's SMG" defense...
The ODST's are a strike force. They don't defend (except when their backing up already established ground defences).
They attack one place, then move on to the next. They may have kept the place clear while the grunts set it up, but after thatn it would be up to the normal marines. The marines don't have HUD's.
If the marine's died after they left, then it would make sense for there to be a mix of weapons there.
But really, who gives a fuck. Lasers are cool.
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Originally Posted by Kornman00
Why does the BR have a scope? How about the Sniper Rifle?
Recoil on any gun for a CYBORG doesn't make sense to me..
You can fall miles, and live, but can't hold a weapon straight?
Riiight buddy..
It uplinks to the HUDs.
Pretty much anything can always be explained if you want to make up enough back story for it. Like Snaf used Covie tech as reasoning for the carbine clip. It doesn't make sense, unless you want it too by using some made up reasoning.
And I have no clue what I was thinking with that laser-ironsights comment. I believe what I was meaning to say there's no real need for another irronsights when the SMG already has one.
Well the SMG is such a small gun, I'm sure cramming it would make it awkward to hold and recoil would be weird. Halo3's recoil was better, but it does puzzle me why Spartans move so slow. They need to be moving at 110%.....but I'm not going into H3, that's a rant not needing to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by KiLLa
But I agree Killa, WTF IS THE DEAL WITH HOLDING A GUN STRAIGHT. You can flip a tank for crying out load AND drag a 2 ton bomb across Cairo Station....
ftfyQuote:
Originally Posted by DarkHalo003
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkHalo003
Which in this case can easily be absorbed by MC and all his agmentations and what not.Quote:
Originally Posted by rentafence
Do you even know what the fuck ftfy means? I don't see anything changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Advancebo
I don't know what it means...:(Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamingRain
It stands for Fixed That For You.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hotrod
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Originally Posted by FlamingRain
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Originally Posted by DarkHalo003
Try reading more closely. Advancebo, you could've bolded your change so we didn't have to search for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Advancebo's change
Thanks. :)
But it also would have applied it someone would have fixed the "Crying out load" to "Crying out loud"
But that's just me...
Give the MC a break, he has a short attention span and wants to shoot everything up and down, damnQuote:
Originally Posted by DarkHalo003
I like that answer.
And that, my friends, is why you don't take augmentations and drive. If you do, then good job, you just ran over grandma.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kornman00
I lol'd at that, and it makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hotrod
On a related note, you can fall miles and live, but on the level "The Covenant" (Halo 3) you can fall 10 feet in a Warthog and die. :eyesroll:Quote:
Originally Posted by KiLLa
Yes Bob, I meant pointer. Thank you for your slight clarification.
and if you're going to put that red dot scope on the SSMG, atleast make it compact looking like the Recon SSMG.
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Originally Posted by AAA
I agree with AAA here, make it compact like in Recon.
Guys thats what this entire debate has been about. CMT doesn't want to make it look like recon because it is boring.
Well, going with the cylindrical scope makes it look like a cheap airsoft toy.
But then again, it looked like a cheap airsoft toy to start with. :ssh:
Red dot sight is okay, cylindrical scope is good. But personally, whatever speeds up the development process more would be my recommendation.
