The Xbone

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Originally Posted by TVTyrant

If you can build me a better box for $500, then go ahead.

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It isn't really comparing those specs to a PC, but how the games will run on it, what use you'll be getting out of it, the amount of usage you'll get out of it, etc.

If I were to choose to have an Xbox One, or building a computer for the same or around same price, i'd choose the PC. Just because of the sheer capabilities it has for everyday usage, compared to trying to spend all day on the couch yelling at the TV screen trying to get the xbox to do shit for you.

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Originally Posted by TVTyrant

If you can build me a better box for $500, then go ahead.

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Microsoft and Sony won't even be able to build either their own consoles for $500... they may sell it to you for that... but that is not how much it actually costs to make.

Hell, the PS3 at launch had $805 parts and labour... that's not including research, development, and marketing; just parts and labour... and that was the $499 20GB one. A $306 direct per-system loss.

It's the license fees which makes a console cost more than a PC. When you buy a $60 game? You're buying a $50 game and giving Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo a $10 tip.

Hell... 4 years of Xbox Live fees is a Radeon HD 7870... and this is a time where GPU prices are trending high... imagine if manufacturers feel the urge to price cut? A 7870 will play any game with decent settings for the next 4 years. If you go by that metric, PC gaming is basically free if you decide to not buy Xbox Live Gold.

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Originally Posted by TVTyrant

If you can build me a better box for $500, then go ahead.

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Hold on now, don't forget that extra controller you want ($50), and what about games? It's s gaming console right, or is it a television box, either way games are going to cost you $60 a pop.

We're up to $610 with just games and a second controller for a friend now.

Wait, you want to play your games online? There's another $60 a year. $670 initially.

But seriously, who only plays one game? Lets throw a couple more in there in the first month or two. $790.

So we're actually talking about an $800 startup fee. I can build a good gaming tower that will play current games at fairly decent settings for the same amount. It's proven that PC is cheaper in the long run as well, you may spend $1,000 - $1,500 for a great tower but you only pay $15 a game or less due to the awesome deals. Not to mention all of the awesome Free 2 Play games available on PC, good luck enjoying those on any console ever without having to pay for some kind of subscription access fee. There's probably even more hidden fees involved in the new "one experience" bullshit. I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of the TV features (ex: Netflix) cost more as well...

It's just cheaper to go with a PC in the long run. Not to mention you can do a lot more with a PC than you can with a console. You can do them all at the same time as well.

And Epic calls bullshit.

https://twitter.com/MarkRein/status/337627995323895808

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Mark Rein @MarkRein
RT @developonline: EA: Xbox One and PS4 a generation ahead of PC http://www.develop-online.net/news/44289/EA-Xbox-One-and-PS4-a-generation-ahead-of-PC … <-no they’re not. I call bullshit on this one.

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Seriously? My 4-year-old piece of shit computer has better specs than the Xbone.

So are we done trying to figure out who's dick is bigger? Jesus.

It's not the size of the boat, it's the motion of the ocean. How the pieces fit together is what matters in the PC vs console differences. Both in the hardware and software. Consoles don't need printing services. They don't need to have a background service for indexing. They don't need to run virus scans or defrag*. Hence why the fucking consoles don't need the stupid amount of bullshit the PC tryhards build today, because they don't inherently need the extra resources. Their OS, services, and programs aren't all running like a giant clusterfuck. Users aren't running a browser with 50 tabs open to youtube or some Flash-enabled site while rendering a monument to the cock they wish they had (right down to the pubes) and playing Crysis. And touching themselves. They're just watching TV and sports-derp like normal gam- FUCKING MICROSOFT. And touching themselves.

* I wonder who will be the first to miss the point and bring up SSDs?

Am I the only one who really likes the design? Reminds me of back to the roots NES

I think the design is alright, everything together is pretty good. I just don't know how you could possible improve on the controller though, since I felt (literally) that the 360 one was perfect. They did mention they've added vibration/rumble to the triggers though, which sounds like it'll be awesome.

By the way, Kinect has grown up a shit ton:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi5kMNfgDS4

It's just a tech demo obviously, but it is all real-time still and the possibilities for Kinect's integration into the entire experience in the next few years should be awesome. I'll definitely love the auto-sign in when it recognizes my roommate joining in while I'm playing.

Did I miss anything from that video? Put this on first post.

Outlined in the Kinect Video:

• Detects minute things like buttons on your shirt, and can easily detect any movement.
• Can log you in automatically once you pickup a controller, and logs which player you are based on the controller
• Has IR, 3D, and HD imaging capabilities
• If you move places the screen moves to your side. EX: switching to another side of the couch while playing split-screen, the screen will switch to the side you're on.
• The video handled 5 people at once on the screen, created bones and everything for them.
• Monitors your heart rate
• Monitors your expressions

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Originally Posted by Kornman00

So are we done trying to figure out who's dick is bigger? Jesus.

It's not the size of the boat, it's the motion of the ocean. How the pieces fit together is what matters in the PC vs console differences. Both in the hardware and software. Consoles don't need printing services. They don't need to have a background service for indexing. They don't need to run virus scans or defrag*. Hence why the fucking consoles don't need the stupid amount of bullshit the PC tryhards build today, because they don't inherently need the extra resources. Their OS, services, and programs aren't all running like a giant clusterfuck. Users aren't running a browser with 50 tabs open to youtube or some Flash-enabled site while rendering a monument to the cock they wish they had (right down to the pubes) and playing Crysis. And touching themselves. They're just watching TV and sports-derp like normal gam- FUCKING MICROSOFT. And touching themselves.

* I wonder who will be the first to miss the point and bring up SSDs?

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Chicken and egg, man. Would people do all of that with a console if they could? Probably. It's just not convenient to do so, so they don't.