Engineers look bad.
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Engineers look bad.
sel
add the pink floaty engineers hovering around the sky every now and then, or maybe working on stuff behind glass in an unusable room.
Why would covenant engineers be working there? If anything, it should be sentinels.
Yeah, I'm kinda lost as to what they're sayin too >>Quote:
Originally Posted by Con
why not use tiny 3D or 2D moving sentinels/engineers in the backround?...
... Am I over-estimating what the Halo Engine can do?
They're forerunner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Con
Seems like a great idea to me :allears:Quote:
Originally Posted by AAA
Wait, are people suggesting I do what I already did in that picture?
I'm so lost :S
The Covenant Engineers. In the skybox. Should be moving Sentinels. We've only seen that pic of the interior, so it's possible the skybox engineers are still there. I believe the others are merely clarifying the changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuki
There have never been covenant engineers in the skybox...
That's what I'm suggesting. That there be engineers/sentinels in or what appears to be close to the skybox. Actual Model engineers/sentinels that float around all day, minding their own business, Waaaaaaaaaay into the distance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuki
Hmm. I could have sworn I saw something floating out above the waterfall. Were those supposed to be sentinels? Either way, they need to be 3d and moving, not 2d images.
This guy has a good idea, you should probably listen to him :allears::allears::allears:Quote:
Originally Posted by Siliconmaster482
Whoever keeps mentioning Covenant Engineers needs to just shut up. NOTHING about this map, save for the crashed High Charity (which doesn't even have any Covenant left on it), has anything to do with the Covenant. All of the airborne entities are Forerunner Stratosentinels (link to Halopedia would go here, but it's being all funky at the moment). How do I know this for certain? I worked with Con on designing the skybox, and I still must say, excellent job.
Weren't engineers created by forerunners though? Having engineers wouldn't damage the background, in this case.
No, no they weren't. Huragok are a naturally occurring species.
I stand corrected, and I apologize. I too love the skybox, I'm just pointing out that without either a higher-res version of the sentinels or actual sentinels the current ones look a bit fake. And if real sentinels have already been added, as implied by the earlier screenshot, then why are we still arguing over this? :raise:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sever
If I need to do something major to the sky in the future then I'll do something about the line of strato-sentinels, but I've got more important work to do for the map first.
I have no problem with the sentinels, and as long as con shares that opinion I'm not going to make him change them.
Works for me. Having the map be fun is the first priority- visuals are just a bonus.
What's that supposed to mean >>Quote:
Originally Posted by Siliconmaster482
make your map fun, before you make it prettyQuote:
Originally Posted by Yuki
oh wait, you already accomplished the fun part :realsmug:
^That.
Plus it is your map, so you obviously get the last word on visuals and gameplay. :P
The skybox is a very beautiful thing in the map that con made, and those sentinels look like shit, because the skybox is so good looking, and the sentinels look low quality and cartoonyQuote:
Originally Posted by Yuki
imo, you should set up some sentinel AI with command lists (dont worry this wont effect gameplay) and have them brain-dead moving around in the sky.
HDR textures everywhere.
:smugoff:
he means the sky looks like ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuki
o okQuote:
Originally Posted by StankBacon
and
Please make or find a better interior cube map for the water here...Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuki
Looking a lot better with textures!
Looking great!
Edit:
In that cave area with the lake, make some Stalactites and some moss hanging down and running up the wall. I think that would be neat.
So many nice maps coming out <3
Everything looks good except the water.
Will do.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdmiralBacon
There will be some crazy forerunner shit in that cave, once I get to work on mass with a pair of pliers and a blowtorch.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobtheGreatII
You hearin me hilbilly boy? :p
Damn those textures look amazing. Is it possible to curve the sides of the light bridges down like they are in a30? Having them completely flat looks weird :x
btw sel was doing it wrong and had the detail maps backwards
it should look like this:
and yes, the sand detail map needs its scale fixed
Cool! Looks a lot better!
They are/I did/Look again you can see itQuote:
Originally Posted by Timo
Also yeah, mb I should finish that cave thing
Looks better though, huh.
that skybox is stunning
You're only 500 posts late rob :downs:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob Oplawar
this would make a badass SP map
....wait, i call dibs
I agree. Why is this map even multiplayer?Quote:
Originally Posted by MissingSpartan7
because single player sucks balls when it comes down to gold shit like this.
Your all talk! :pcgaming:Quote:
Originally Posted by AAA
Looks good but needs plants scattered about here and there.
Speak of the devil. Just started on that yesterday, gonna add a few more along with environment sound + mopping up the warnings and errors tool hands me.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnaFuBAR
Aside from co-planars of course, that's just a silly error!
C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Games\Halo Custom Edition>tool structure levels\revelations revelations
building intermediate geometry...
building collision geometry...
reducing collision geometry...
building collision bsp...
### WARNING found nearly coplanar surfaces (red and green).
reducing collision bsp...
verifying collision geometry...
verifying collision bsp...
building portals...
building render geometry...
building subclusters...
building pvs... building pvs... building structure lens flares...done
structure bsp "levels\revelations\revelations"
BSP has 56924 nodes, 30028 leaves
61686 surfaces and 97909 vertices in 598 material groups
49 portals, 15 clusters
4150Kb collision data (386Kb vertices, 1352Kb edges, 377Kb surfaces)
6487Kb render data (3901Kb vertices, 1337Kb surfaces,
802Kb nodes/leaves, 296Kb clusters)
0Kb pathfinding data
----------------------
11901Kb (without debug information)
Coplanars create phantom BSP.
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Try to imagine how much I care!Quote:
Originally Posted by Inferno
:eng101:
Not a lot!Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuki
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This guy has the right idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganon
In all seriousness though, if they do prove to cause issues that are in some way important I will make an effort to fix them, but they're just such a fucking stupid error, as opposed to the 5 that have come back which I would consider important.
I can't wait to rpg on dis :woop:
hey nice skybox btw
What is phantom BSP? Is this a legit error that I should be worried about, or are you just being facetious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Inferno
It's one of the most annoying errors in the editor.
It's those random bits of invisible collision that are not directly linked to anything and can only collide with vehicles and projectiles pointphysics (like weapons) and ragdolls. There are quite a few of these on the stock maps (theres actually one floating above the overshield hill on bloodgulch) and tons of these on custom maps (especially yoyo).
I made a tutorial on how to remove them a while back.
Link plox.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inferno
Both links are broken in that thread.
Fail.
Anyone still have those tutorials. I will re-upload them.
Interesting... How strange. I wonder what aspect of the collision geometry compilation algorithm lets nearly-coplanars do something so odd...
I have a fuckton in BCE. Could that error also result in the opposite, random pieces of geometry that don't have collision? An old error that I used to get was a random hole in the middle of one of my floors... it's gone now, but if coplanars are to blame it may crop up again.
Well, time to break out poly's "make planar" button, I guess.
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Originally Posted by Rob Oplawar
That's usually caused by z-buffered triangles.
I know that all too well... It's even stopped me from making a kill by blocking a shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inferno
edit: lookit dis hologram
Hawt.
Is that some holo-halo? :aaaaa:
sel when do i get to play your revelationsv34
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It's still ice. :ugh:
No, I made a texture for that yesterday:
Look familiar?
Where's it going to hang out? (E: the hologram that is)
In the center room, spinning on it's side above the overshield. It'll be about as large as that space. I think it'd be cool to find a larger space for it and show off some of the detail in the texture. IMO, that overshield area needs needs to be larger anyway. I'll talk to sel.
Love the hologram, and the new revealed structure texture looks cool too.
I don't think the revealed structure looks right, IMO. Something seems a bit off.
I didn't try to copy the H3 one exactly if that's what you're saying.
Looks like this is going to be neat.
It's too flat.Quote:
Originally Posted by English Mobster
Needs to be in two sections, one slightly lower than the other. Panel texture only goes on the lower part, higher part has a strip texture of some sort.
This is turning into Church.
Only the map has gameplay value this time. :v:
(sorry Crowpath :()
Needs less of the area around it sucking.
Also if you put the hologram there, the area should look like it was meant for it. More space between the holo and the walls, with the walls being stepped outwards slightly below the ring.
so colourful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Con
^ This!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cagerrin
Thirded.
alrightQuote:
Originally Posted by Cagerrin
YOU THINK THIS IS KINDER PARTY MASS?
get a god damn move on
Wait, is that actually how the hologram is going to look? That's disgusting... Make it look more like the control room Halo hologram.
Agreed. Except, make the hologram look more revised If even possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freelancer
The red marks areas that haven't been built or are broken.
:eng101:
The thing is, this Halo isn't complete, which the holo reflects. Go look at the ring holos in Halo 3, and the semi-completed/destroyed ones look a lot like this one does, while the complete ones look more like the H1 holo. Pretty doesn't always make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freelancer
Edit: Quasi-sniped by Nugget.
Is this map ever gonna be finished? It's so perfect that it makes me wanna pee ><
Hey look penguins map got on bungies blog. Too bad revelations is ripped so they won't put it up.
lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inferno
Well, make the ring hologram look more like a hologram, it just looks bad as is.
Looks like a hologram to me. Be descriptive, "it just looks bad" doesn't help at all.
:( so cant attach MAP file here?
It looks more like a wireframe than a hologram, you need to add some blur to it so it doesn't look as though it's a flat texture. And it needs to be emitting some kind of neon style lighting. You know, like a hologram.Quote:
Originally Posted by Con
You mean like the gel map con is making?Quote:
Originally Posted by Freelancer
I don't think I know what that is, so no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuki
Think of it like a mask for dynamic lights. It lets the light create a pattern on surfaces.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freelancer
It's the thing on the walls in the picture con posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freelancer
Oh I see, that'll make it look better then! :)
Make that central area a little darker when you guys get around to final lighting, that way the light from the hologram will show off better. But you guys probably already know that.
Right now I believe that halo is just fullbrighting the entire thing, so it'll probably look like that until we do proper lightmaps lol
Well, as long as it eventually turns out in a darkened area casting most of the light, awesome! :)
Im hoping the Ring is animated like the control room's?
