Something I've Been Sitting On For A While...

Anyone remember Lightning? Our favorite H2CE and Metroid Online skinner dude who started working on like 5 badass maps and has yet to release one despite the beta testing that was done?
The guy who almost got me to tie a DDR cabinet to the top of my car to drive it to him two states over?
Well, truth be told, one of the maps not going gold is my fault. I had tested Floodlab, and since I'm the nub with the horrible PC, I had complaints about how the level ran. Lights was having issues portalling the level correctly, meaning that the whole damn level was rendering at any given time. I thought I had a grasp on how to portal stuff, so I offered to do it for him. He let me do it.

This was about a year ago.

I started on it, and I can see why he just kinda gave up on it. I was trying for too long to try and figure out why it would pick two or so portals at random and tell me that they didn't define two sealed areas, and it drove me nuts. Plus, it turns out I never actually remembered how to portal correctly; I read the stock tutorial wrong and had been implementing them the wrong way.

Tonight, I finally got it set. The level culls beautifully and, with no objects on the map whatsoever, runs smoothly on my machine. Now I'm waiting for him to fix up any bad textures and put finishing touches on level geometry.

Soon, people, Lightning will release a map. :eek:

Is it still going to have the lifts that you fall/warp through?

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Originally Posted by Pooky

Is it still going to have the lifts that you fall/warp through?

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Wrong map.

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Originally Posted by p0lar_bear

Wrong map.

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e: nvm, you're talking about the other one, igi

i gotta get my mind off the shit posts, because lets be honest i'm not the only one that thought of it >_<.

shit i didnt realize lightz was still around. been a dam long time.

didn't he go all emo because aerowyn dumped him?

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Originally Posted by n00b1n8R

didn't he go all emo because aerowyn dumped him?

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And I'm p sure he sold his soul to skinning Stepmania. :v:

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Originally Posted by p0lar_bear

Soon, people, Lightning will release a map. :eek:

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that's a lie

liar

Awesome, me wants to plays it! :D

Nice. Can't wait to see it.

Way... is thunderbolt the same guy as Lightning? And awesome. :O

:O
MP based off of SP is win

So is this based off the flood labs from H2 (first part of the 2nd arbiter level) or is it a library sort of thing?

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Originally Posted by n00b1n8R

So is this based off the flood labs from H2 (first part of the 2nd arbiter level) or is it a library sort of thing?

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The Flood labs in 343 Guilty Spark is what I'm lead to believe by the link in the original post.

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Originally Posted by Fear1337

Way... is thunderbolt the same guy as Lightning? And awesome. :O

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nay

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Originally Posted by p0lar_bear

Soon, people, Lightning will release a map. :eek:

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Stop trolling.


Lights made some really great maps. It was always fun to beta with the select few who had them :lol:

Cool, now is he gonna come back to H2VModacity? :D

My optimism level will remain at 0% until I see a download link.

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Originally Posted by LlamaMaster

My optimism level will remain at 0% until I see a download link.

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what he said

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Originally Posted by sevlag

what he said

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What she said.

You're welcome for your sig boy can i get some greens

Was tiamat in that video?

I think I saw another video (probably this one) that was showing off the level. Cool.

Lightning is alive?
I still remember beta testing killa1 with him
ahhh...good times..

Anywho, It's ironic how one of his maps are finally getting out!
I wouldn't mind playin through it :)
haha, how the tides have turned..

Are you sure it's not actually impossible to release a Lightning map?

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Originally Posted by Timo

Are you sure it's not actually impossible to release a Lightning map?

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Look at it this way: If he disappears again, I am in possession of the source file. It will get released, bad UVs be damned. :v:

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Originally Posted by p0lar_bear

Look at it this way: If he disappears again, I am in possession of the source file. It will get released, bad UVs be damned. :v:

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sounds like a plan

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Originally Posted by p0lar_bear

bad UVs be damned. :v:

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No, you're gonna fix those.

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Originally Posted by rentafence

No, you're gonna fix those.

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hmm, kinda like "NO!, you're gonna fux those" but it works and looks good

...attempt at humor

I remember this...was never a beta, but the screenies I remember...:aaaaa:.

I remember playing this.

re:vid link in 1st post, platforms: might be able to synch them platforms better by dropping a vehicle, if the vehicle falls far enough to synch position and velocity before squish/volume test. Just a theory. Perhaps also additional collision layers within the lift with a water material who's splash effect pushes the player back up. Water or w/e

So, it appears lightning is off doing something epic for school, so I decided to take the small BSP addition and UV fixing into my own hands. Spent all day on it and it seemed to go well...

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p...mnfloodlab.png

GOD DAMN IT.

Should have been there when I got the origin error.

Tool: "Its over there are at the origin"
Me: "... but... there's nothing there."
Tool: ".... *shrug*... your problem."

Me:
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q...od/fuuuuuu.jpg

But yes, tool is like the executable version of Snaf for your computer.

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Originally Posted by MetKiller Joe

But yes, tool is like the executable version of Snaf for your computer.

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:lol:

Fake E: sig'd

Lol that's fucking easy to fix. :p

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Originally Posted by Inferno

Lol that's fucking easy to fix. :p

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yeah really

polar you fucking scrub

Yeah the fixes were easy, but you forget this is one of Lightning's maps, mmk? Even the smallest thing could potentially halt production for about two years. XD

The sbsp is compiled, need to get any and all assets I'm missing to compile the scenario into a map now. Playtesting whenever the hell Lightning is around and willing.

i like ur plywood wall

YES!

YES, YES!

I HAVE A BETA BUILD OF THE MAP CURRENTLY IN-GAME AND RUNNING, 100% POPULATED.

Took me hours, but I fixed the scenario tag to use lightning's old population layout. Only issues I have is that the player starts unarmed and the light bridge/controls are missing in-game... wierd.

Playtest date and time to follow soon.

send me beta do it fagggg~

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Originally Posted by paladin

i like ur plywood wall

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What he said..

Like I said in the risky prop thread, I'm not in a good situation right now and I would be much better off without people pointing out stuff like that in my photos, thanks.

Not that its a bad thing...

Woah, didn't know polar could smile, crazy.

And it's not his fault he lives in a plywood box. Fucking recession man :shakefist:

The unarmed thing is either a biped in the globals is not referencing mp_cyborg.biped or the starting equipment in the scenario is not referencing valid weapons.

So, h0bo_bear, you are going to give me a build so I can help with weapon and objective layouts, right?

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Originally Posted by Sever

So, h0bo_bear, you are going to give me a build so I can help with weapon and objective layouts, right?

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Of course, but there are a few things I need to consult with Lightning on before we distribute a somewhat more open beta.

DAMMIT P0LAR, DON'T LET THIS WIND UP LIKE ANOTHER UNRELEASED LIGHTNING MAP.

What's been up with this recently?

Lightning said he wanted to redo lighting a while ago, but he's been busy. Besides being busy myself, I can't do that because I'm a retard when it comes to radiosity. :downs:

While he's at it, how about he finishes Asylum? :rolleyes:

Polar, you should know better than to trust Lightning with his own map. :p

I say we get Aerowyn on his case.

Yea, 'cause tossing women into the mix ALWAYS improves productivity.

It does when the all mighty vagoo-whip is involved. :downs:

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Originally Posted by n00b1n8R

It does when the all mighty vagoo-whip is involved. :downs:

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I wonder what happens when you mix All Mighty Vagoo-Whip with Kaboom! :ohdear:

What is "Portalling"?

Well its good to hear you got this thing working!

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Originally Posted by FreedomFighter7

What is "Portalling"?

Well its good to hear you got this thing working!

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"Portalling" is the process of defining sections or "clusters" of a sbsp. The engine uses portals and clusters for culling (knowing what not to render based on what the camera can see), and to define borders for weather, sound environments, and ambient sound, thus defining what is considered indoor and what is outdoor in a map with such an environment.

Lack of proper portalling is my biggest pet peeve of Halo CE maps, but I wonder why I get so worked up about it since most people (myself included) don't know how to do it "correctly" in any scenario (the HEK tutorial only gives a basic example), and Tool loves to tell you you're doing it wrong even though you're damn sure you got it right.

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Originally Posted by p0lar_bear

Tool loves to tell you you're doing it wrong even though you're damn sure you got it right.

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Haha. So true: the most frustrating error I've ever come across is

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### ERROR: portal does not define two closed spaces. (see yellow in error geometry)

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Especially since it does. Goddamnit, it IS A FRIGGING ENCLOSED SPACE. :maddowns: [/toolrant]

I didn't start portalling my maps until recently. Degenerate and buffered triangles used to be my most annoying error. Now that is ^

Lightning: OH GOD NO
Lightning: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
p0lar_bear: huh
Lightning: I JUST CONVERTED THE LEVEL INTO NURBS
Lightning: AHAHAHAHAHA OH GOD
p0lar_bear: SHIT
p0lar_bear: SHIT
p0lar_bear: UNDO
p0lar_bear: UNDO
p0lar_bear: CTRL-FUCKIG-Z
Lightning: CANT SYSTYEM NOT RESPONDIN BBBBBBBBBBZZZZZZZTTTTTTTTTTT
Lightning: Yeah, I fucking locked up Max

Two years later, Lightning finally sits down and puts his finishing touches on the map.

I promised you guys it'll see release. And damn it it's going to get released.

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Originally Posted by p0lar_bear

Yeah the fixes were easy, but you forget this is one of Lightning's maps, mmk? Even the smallest thing could potentially halt production for about two years. XD

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And I was fucking kidding when I said this... heh.

Sorry people. :saddowns:

Polar must be in heat...

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Originally Posted by LlamaMaster

My optimism level will remain at 0% until I see a download link.

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Lightning v Black Mesa, a thrilling contest of who can release the least!

So, several months later, has anything happened with this?

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So, several months later, has anything happened with this?

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Lightning v Black Mesa, a thrilling contest of who can release the least!

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. lol

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So, several months later, has anything happened with this?

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I'm to blame, I think, this time. Lights has been working on it and is waiting on me to install Max 2011 to give feedback. I've been killing myself to get Christmas and life in general in order.

first get Modacity in order.

Priorities!!

Hi.

So, uhh, been working on things, have some images if anyone still cares.

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Basically, the layout before had two of the "ring" rooms (two levels, glass floor inbetween them, wrapped around a large central pillar) and I wanted to make an addition that allowed players to get to the upper level from them. This is the result, and has not been fully detailed yet properly.

Players can go up the ramp and wrap around the 'plasma tower crap thing' to get to the upper level. Enterint the upper level can either have you drop down to the lower (for avoidance of people chasing or to sneak up on people, whatever), or continue to the left to enter the secondary path into the bases. Glass is breakable so you can shoot through the central plasma chamber, and also through the glass in the upper level's lookout, so you can jump on people and get them, or just quickly drop down and shit

if that doesn't make sense, I will draw things

detailing and lighting these sections now, oh god it's 6AM why am I doing this.

E: colored paths to help show

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E2: damn, also, times have freaking changed. running radiosity 1 to 0.0000001 took about 4 hours. That used to take 2 days.... on 0. It takes like 5 minutes to do 0 0.0009

I like the beam. It looks pretty sexy, but im not sure how the layouts going to work (to be honest I cant really get an idea of how it is, is this a whole map or just part of it?).

Lightning's alive! Looking cool so far, I like how the glass is destroyable in the middle for when people are crossing. I always love when you can use booby traps in vidya games.

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is this a whole map or just part of it?).

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Just a side hallway I'm working on replacing.

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That's a topdown. The hallways branching from the middle room on the top are the new ones that are replacing the ones on the opposite side on the bottom as well, I'm just detailing the top one first so I can just mirror it.

Hey Lightning finish yoshit and rainbow road pls

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Originally Posted by p0lar_bear

Look at it this way: If he disappears again, I am in possession of the source file. It will get released, bad UVs be damned. :v:

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Yeahhhhhh...

About that...

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...g=eyJpIjoidCJ9

We called a design meeting.

Time to tighten up the grafix on level 3.

So did lightning ask you how Winds of Winter is going?

Did you have Bacon Portabela Mushroom burgers? You better of have Bacon Portabela Mushroom burgers.