Forerunner Discussion Thread

In response to the clusterfuck of posts in "The Best Pictures You've Seen" thread.

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Originally Posted by UnevenElefant5

I'm not entirely sure their forerunner though.

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Originally Posted by higuy

There forerunner, definitely. Look at the design of most of the buildings. It's also by ensemble studio's, which just so happened to be making Halo Wars around those dates..

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Mobster edit: There has been a severe mix-up of "Their" "there" in both these posts, and it made me facepalm. Guys, it's "they're". They are.

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Originally Posted by UnevenElefant5

Ah, ok, I wasn't sure because it looked very similar to forerunner but the humans in the sketch threw me off.

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Originally Posted by Jean-Luc

Protip: Humans and Forerunners are related.

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Originally Posted by Delta4907

Actually, I believe the Forerunners found Humans while indexing the galaxy, and chose them to be the heirs of their technology. (much like the Precursors chose the Forerunners). At least I think, correct me if I'm wrong

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Originally Posted by Alwin Roth

I Believe, That forerunners are humans.

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Originally Posted by Xetsuei

Forerunners are genetically identical to humans.

Read the books and you'll know this.

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Originally Posted by PopeAK49

Forerunners have 6 fingers, thus they can't be genetically identical. The shape of the hand is oddly simular, but the forerunners have 2 thumbs instead of 1. Maybe the forerunners discovered human kind and decided to let them be able to access things like holo panels and such because humans were the only intelligent life forms that they trusted.

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Originally Posted by Mass

or that panel can be used with either hand


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Originally Posted by PopeAK49

True, but your index finger isn't too simular to your pinky. Or they could of made it so that it reads both your index finger and pinky, which would make you right.

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Originally Posted by Alwin Roth

That holo-pad must be used with a "key"

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Originally Posted by ExAm

...Or maybe that isn't supposed to represent a hand.

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Originally Posted by higuy

Forerunner's are human's; if you read the book the Phropets talk about how the humans are forerunner's and if the rest of the covenant found out, it would curropt them.

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Originally Posted by Hotrod

At the end of Halo 3, 343 Guilty Spark tells the Master Chief that he is Forerunner, same goes with Truth to Johnson when he tells him that he knows why they were "left behind"

That is all :downs:

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Originally Posted by Cagerrin

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All Mendicant Bias says is that humans "represent" his makers. Take that to mean what you will, but I think he would have said it outright if humans were in fact the Forerunners.

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Originally Posted by TeeKup

Both of you are incorrect. GuiltySpark was speaking out of rampancy. Truth was speaking in theological context of the Forerunner leaving anyone behind they deemed "unworthy." I believe the Terminals indicate the Forerunner found humanity on Earth. In a long stretch the Forerunner MAY have seeded Earth with their DNA, resulting in the constantly mentioned with both being genetically identical, this could also explain how in Contact Harvest Mendicant Bias recognized Humanity as his "makers"

Humanity may not be the direct descendants, yes there is some evidence stating we are, but you must remember how cryptic Bungie can be.

Sorry for reviving the argument but I felt it needed my 2 cents in.

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Originally Posted by Heathen

was my favourite too.

E: and even if the topic died, yeah, forerunners and humans are one and the same.
Hence the whole reclaimer speech with 343, when he goes to say "last time you asked me blablabla"

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Personally, I find the entire subject rather interesting. While I don't believe the humans are Forerunners DIRECTLY (there was a Halo 3 Webcomic released just before H3 which showed humans watching Sentinels build the portal to the Ark), I do believe that the Forerunners modified human DNA somehow.
Please note how the disappearance of the Neanderthal coincides with Alpha Halo firing.
Also note how as soon as humans returned from the Ark (HOW did they return?) they began using tools.
It could be the Forerunners somehow "seeded" humans with Forerunner DNA, OR it could be the species interbred.
Just my 2 cents.

One must understand that you cannot take Guilty spark's statements too seriously as throughout the Halo games he shows several signs of his Rampancy, fully coming into view at the end of Halo 3.

"You ARE the child of my makers, inheritor of all they left behind. You ARE Forerunner, but this ring, is MINE!"

Remember, a parent doesn't have to biologically conceive a child for it to be theirs...

My parent's did not conceive me but I have been theirs for the past 19 years.

Oh god help me:

I sent him to message, 2 days later:

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From: Alwin Roth <alwinroth@yahoo.com>
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Hello Mr. Cole,

Under your "Sketches / concepts" tab there happens to be some marvelous ske=
tches of some halo forerunner buildings.

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to see that the image does not come in a wallpaper format.

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first one, in a larger format, wallpaper usage in other words.

We will thank you a lot and let you join our buddy club.

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Sort of in the vein of that "Neanderthals and Cro-magnons mating" theory, this is a "Forerunners and Manchimps mating" theory.

Basically, Forerunners spliced their genetics with a human ancestor 100,000+ years ago, and the resultant new species that would become modern humans reseeded Earth. So humans are basically half-breeds, they have enough genetic similarity to the Forerunners to use their installations and machinery, but they have never shared the Forerunner's larger gene pool and we were shaped more by our large amount of primate DNA.

This explains why humans and Forerunners have divergent features, such as the drastically different hand structures and what have you (Our hands are different because we got that from our Primate ancestry, not our Forerunner ancestry). Perhaps this happened several million years ago, after our ancient ancestor split with the chimpanzees.

I say it happened on the Ark.
Who knows how long they were on that damn thing after Installation 04 fired. They may have interbred with each other until there were no "pure" Forerunner or humans left, and the resulting half-breed is modern humans.

It would explain why there are no Forerunners on any of the shield installations; they went there, but they bred with us to the point where we had stopped being 2 different species and instead became 1.

I always believed that humans were directly descended from Forerunners, who decided to save part of their race before firing the Halo rings and so put some of their civilization on Earth.

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Earth is in range of the Installations. So putting them on Earth wouldn't help any.

Which is why they put the Ark's portal on Earth. So when everything calmed down, they could just have scotty beam them back and start making babies to repopulate the universe :downs:

This is a tricky one i remember the first monitoir on halo 1 calling the master chief a reclaimer which would suggest that the forerunner's did infact find the humans and decided to leave the humans all there technology but at the same time they could be descendants which is supported by mendicant bias "FOR EONS I HAVE WATCHED. LISTENED TO YOU MISINTERPRET. THIS IS NOT RECLAMATION. THIS IS RECLAIMER." After those words, the glyphs in the report were shown and they began to transform shape until a crude image of a human appeared. The Oracle adds, "AND THOSE IT REPRESENTS ARE MY MAKERS. I WILL REJECT MY BIAS AND WILL MAKE AMENDS. MY MAKERS ARE MY MASTERS. I WILL BRING THEM SAFELY TO THE ARK" ( takeing from the bellow link)

More information in THIS LINK just scroll down to the part bout the connection between forerunners and humans

As I said before, you cannot entirely trust guilty spark OR mendicant bias for that matter. Both are fully sentient AI yes, but they are still machines. Machines memory can be manipulated and corrupted.

The most likely explanation is that we are the chosen descendants of the Forerunners. We are the inheritors of the Mantle Guardianship.

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Originally Posted by TeeKup

As I said before, you cannot entirely trust guilty spark OR mendicant bias for that matter. Both are fully sentient AI yes, but they are still machines. Machines memory can be manipulated and corrupted.

The most likely explanation is that we are the chosen descendants of the Forerunners. We are the inheritors of the Mantle Guardianship.

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It may well be they were a another sub species of human or akin to human and because of that they knew one day homo sapians would evolve enough to understand what has happened.
But by that time everyone who knew would be dead along with the flood, by their hopes anyways.
My question is how did the flood survive for 10k years without any food supply?
Even a tortoise which has a incredibly slow metabolism can only live for around 160 years if memory serves me right.
I personaly think forerunners were a sub species of human which would explain alot of things.
Another question is what guilty spark said in halo 1.
"Last time you asked me, would i do it? having considerable time to ponder your query my answer has not changed, we must activate the ring"

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Originally Posted by =sw=warlord

It may well be they were a another sub species of human or akin to human and because of that they knew one day homo sapians would evolve enough to understand what has happened.
But by that time everyone who knew would be dead along with the flood, by their hopes anyways.
My question is how did the flood survive for 10k years without any food supply?
Even a tortoise which has a incredibly slow metabolism can only live for around 160 years if memory serves me right.
I personaly think forerunners were a sub species of human which would explain alot of things.
Another question is what guilty spark said in halo 1.
"Last time you asked me, would i do it? having considerable time to ponder your query my answer has not changed, we must activate the ring"

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Your theory has a good basis. Why would an advanced AI like Guilty Spark, even despite his rampancy, confuse the master chief with Didact? I personally don't know. Perhaps even farther back the Precursor engineered all of this.

And as for the flood you must remember one crucial fact. It was explained that the flood is extra-galactic, meaning it has the ability to travel between galaxies.

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Originally Posted by halopedia

The Flood exists in a fairly stable state in the absence of a Gravemind. They lack the ability to spawn spontaneously and form around sentient life forms, specifically those that are self-aware and capable of introspection. This stage of a Flood outbreak is known as the Feral Stage.

During its Feral Stage, the Flood is only capable of local coordination through use of pheromone-based communication. Research indicates that the content of said messages are of very limited complexity. Individual Combat and Carrier Forms have access to the skills and memories of their host; however, once an outbreak establishes a viable Gravemind, the Coordinated Stage begins—and it is at this point the Flood becomes truly dangerous.

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If the rings were supposed to kill all sentient life, the flood's food, so they would starve, how did the flood that was on Installation 04 survive for 100,000 years without food, locked up inside those prisons? Or do infection forms not need to eat to survive?

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Originally Posted by Delta4907

If the rings were supposed to kill all sentient life, the flood's food, so they would starve, how did the flood that was on Installation 04 survive for 100,000 years without food, locked up inside those prisons? Or do infection forms not need to eat to survive?

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Thats my point.
Unless the flood have some kind of system like photosynthesis they would need nurishment at some point.

Please read my edit. :|

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Originally Posted by TeeKup

Please read my edit. :|

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Even with rampancy aside, what he says must come from some where.
Remember there is a stage after rampancy as mendicant bias clearly shows.

Mendicant Bias was was also fragmented when he made that declaration inside the Key ship, ergo data corruption. :|

Bias became whole again when the Key ship returned to the Ark. :|

Then again, during their final hours, the Forerunner may have signified Humanity as the same status as theirs for all of their constructs. Mendicant Bias may have received this new status change as he was being deconstructed and observed by Offensive Bias.

Regardless, in the end Mendicant Bias achieved redemption, his status is now of Meta-Stability, a fully conscious sentient being.

Did Bungie design any Forerunner vehicles or weapons? Apart from the sentinel beam.

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Originally Posted by Hunter

Did Bungie design any Forerunner vehicles or weapons? Apart from the sentinel beam.

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Forerunner key ship.

Is that it? Anything else? Lol.

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Originally Posted by Hunter

Is that it? Anything else? Lol.

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Not really, most of their tech has been show cased in their buildings or ai not really shown any vehicles.
theres a picture in your warthog thread which shows a forerunner vehicle as shown by the forerunner eske hologram.

This?
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/ha.../Aardvarck.jpg

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Originally Posted by Hunter

This?

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Yes

:( That's disappointing. Its horrible... Such a boring shape ect.. only thing I like on it is the yellow glass.

I don't like a damn thing about it.

I've always imagined Forerunner ground vehicles to use anti-grav/repulsor technology.

Fuck that even. I've always imagined that Forerunners were above basic vehicular ground travel. Look at every single piece of traveling Forerunner technology, and find something that doesn't float or use rails (Both physical and energy).

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Originally Posted by Sever

Fuck that even. I've always imagined that Forerunners were above basic vehicular ground travel. Look at every single piece of traveling Forerunner technology, and find something that doesn't float or use rails (Both physical and energy).

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The forerunners had to use ground vehicles at some point.

I was thinking of crazy pulse weapons ect... and not some turtle shape thing... :/

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Originally Posted by =sw=warlord

The forerunners had to use ground vehicles at some point.

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Says who? The way I see it, the Forerunners' vast intellect was bestowed upon them by the Precursors through accelerated evolution, and thus cut out many ages in their development as a race, and thus allowing them to speed through and even skip certain degrees of technological advancement.

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Originally Posted by Halopedia

The Precursors were mentioned in the Bestiarum as the race preceding and mythologized by the Forerunner, being theoretical "Trans-sentient" beings, having the ability to travel among galaxies and accelerate the evolution of intelligent life. The Precursors achieved a higher level technological advancement than the Forerunner, being Tier 0, or (Trans-sentience) on the Forerunners' Technological Achievement Scale.

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What is that?

What is what?

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Originally Posted by TeeKup

Your theory has a good basis. Why would an advanced AI like Guilty Spark, even despite his rampancy, confuse the master chief with Didact? I personally don't know.

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Easy, his statement was referring to the Forerunners/humanity on a whole, not one specific entity.

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Originally Posted by Hunter

This?
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/ha.../Aardvarck.jpg

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Wow, it's adorable! Also, wtf is it and where did it come from?

It's from the canned (thank god) Ensemble Studios' Halo MMO.