I want to know what you guys think what stock maps (meaning maps that came with the game, no custom maps) has the best gameplay.
Mainly because I was going to make a map and I wanted to see what to look for in a map.
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I want to know what you guys think what stock maps (meaning maps that came with the game, no custom maps) has the best gameplay.
Mainly because I was going to make a map and I wanted to see what to look for in a map.
Bloodgulch.
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Damnation... or Chill Out. I like how there are multiple floors on those maps. Also they're not too big and not too small in size. They're great for slayer.
CTF maps could be more symmetrical and hmm... just read Sis' post.
ratrace, wizard, carousel, chillout, sidewinder and icefields were always my favorites gameplay wise.
as far as what to look for, there are many things and you won't truly understand them unless you actually spend a lot of time playing the game. some things to keep in mind though:
-ctf maps should normally have a symmetrical design, in order to the map being one sided (damnation). Slayer maps can go either way, as long as there isnt a major camping spot. There are however some cases (ratrace) where asymetrical design made it great for slayer and ctf.
-flying vehicles (banshee) are terrible for gameplay, period.
-rocket warthogs are the best thing to happen since sliced bread
-any more than 2 teleport groups are confusing, and 2 different teles should never lead to the same spot (cliffhanger). its also best to try and design teleports to be out of reach of vehicles, personally been exploiting tele blocking for years and I hate it.
-try not to create small chokepoints in big maps like grove final and wtc. as popular as the maps were, this is what really kills those maps (in a game with good people it IS impossible to cap.)
-big confusing/complex bases are :saddowns: (grove, wtc >.>)
-there should be less vehicles than players in your map
-tanks are also :saddowns:
get out, troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by =sw=warlord
There must be a reason Bloodgulch gets played so damned often and it can't be just cause its pretty.Quote:
Originally Posted by StankBacon
Because people have no skill/originality?Quote:
Originally Posted by =sw=warlord
it gets played so much is because noobs like to camp the hills and spawn kill, thinking the high score makes them leet.
in my opinion bg has the worst game play of all the stock maps.
More like the fact its very ballenced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pooky
:lmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by =sw=warlord
:lmao:
yah i lol'd as well.
Laugh all you like but i seem to remember quite a few here were telling people to design their maps to be ballenced like bloodgulch and now you lot have got feathers in your nickers with just the thought of it.
H1: Damnation. Each and every area of the map has a unique structuring, and is arranged in a fashion that allows it to interact with every other area (even when that interaction is protection from that other area, which is an integral part of the combat flow) throughout the course of any game. Some areas have definite advantages, but are easily outweighed by that same simple fact - people expect that area to be used and are prepared to counter it, and the map provides numerous methods for doing so.
H2: Terminal. Everything I said about Damnation, just augmented with vehicular and counter-vehicular combat.
H3: Longshore. Everything I said about Damnation and Terminal, along with the fact that for once they gave a map in H3 the perfect weapon layout.
bloodgulch is an ok map, not very good due to many reasons. it just gets played the way it does because it can house 16 players and u can join and start shooting right away.
u goT a proBlem bre?Quote:
Originally Posted by StankBacon
except everyone pretty much says no more blood gulch crap and it sucks??Quote:
Originally Posted by =sw=warlord
Um, is that not what HIV did on wartorn cove every game? Camp the top beach and the teles.Quote:
Originally Posted by StankBacon
it's ballenced doh
Bloodgulch game play, an in depth analysis!
run down center
fire pistol
run down center
fire pistol
run down center
fire pistol
run to hill
fire pistol
fire pistol
fire pistol
run out of ammo
die
get sniper rifle
run to cliffs
fire sniper rifle
run out of ammo
run down center
fire pistol
run down center
fire pistol
fire pistol
fire pistol
run to hill
fire pistol
die
repeat.
You guys have all camped the hills to no end so stop fucking bitching about it.
Bloodgulch is horribly unbalanced for two reasons, the hill in front of red tele is a shitload better to camp than it is at blue. And the second and more important reason is that red team can see their own tele and thus camping that spot is a bit harder, at least you can see it and snip off the scrubs telefragging.
Bloodgulch is fun to play because you don't have to try.
Well that's the key to win but I guess he means it's lame for the defending team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Limited
Sidewinder
I like Boarding Action best, mainly because it never has a spray 'n' pray situation.
Multiple stories, and actually some thinking about how you want to grab the flag, set out a route instead of riding shotgun on a warthog for wheversakes your driver takes you to.
Rockets and Fuel Rods are the least effective in this map, which makes this still balanced with a full server without score whores shooting the nubtube at groups
:haw:Quote:
Originally Posted by =sw=warlord
Here's how I design a map, personally:
- Multiple routes to the flag. If you include vehicles in your map, make one designed for vehicular combat while the other one is designed for infantry only.
- Put one or two power weapons on the map, and make it so you have to take the longest possible route to get to these weapons.
- Think as if you are making a map for Team Fortress 2, with a few changes to allow for Halo's gameplay (vehicles and whatnot). Make a sniper perch at each base, then one or two out in the middle. However, if it allows for too much camping, DON'T put the sniper rifle near the sniper perch. Make it so players have to go get the sniper rifle THEN go up on the perch and own everything. Make some tight corners as if you were designing them for a Pyro ambush, so players will turn the corner and immediately have to start shooting at someone they had no clue was there five seconds ago. Make tiny nooks and crannies as if you were allowing a Spy to recharge his cloak, except utilize them in Halo for hiding players so they can sneak past/ambush a group of enemies going down the path. You'd be surprised how well it works.
- If you have ANY kind of chokepoint, put another side path around it. Make it so players can break through a team camping a point and be able to flank them.
- Make it so whatever one team does, the other team can counter it. DOUBLE-CHECK BOTH SIDES CAN COUNTER SOMETHING WHILE IT'S STILL ON PAPER. If you give one team a shotgun, either give the other team another shotgun or a flamethrower.
- The only place you should NOT have alternate routes is directly in front of the flag. This promotes teamwork to break through a team which is just camping the flag. If the flag guy can escape without anyone knowing where he is, the cap is essentially guaranteed, and there is ZERO tension for the flag guy. Make it so the guy has to go RIGHT past where the enemy team is, creating tension. Tension is good. Tension = Fun. Why do you think people watch scary movies?
your last rule sucks.
best times ever were trying to sneak out of wtc bases with flag
i never did that.... actually only a few hivers did, the rest of us were the cap masters on that map :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Limited
Wtc still only has one main exit from the flag area, as you have to get out of the base and take a teleporter or take a vehicle out the same way you came in.Quote:
Originally Posted by blind
Uh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freelancer
The top parts of the base.
The main entrance.
Then
Teleporter.
And then theres two alternate paths leading from both bases.
learn to wtc
damnation
chill out
dangercanyon (for pc)
sidewinder
Listen to this guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyon's Sister
Also rockets and FRG should never ever go on a map that's smaller than bloodgulch. Ever.
In fact FRG should never go on a map period.
edit-
And derelict is fun too.
Rockets on prisoner is pretty fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inferno
definently not a troll
Quote:
Originally Posted by =sw=warlord
If the game type is all rockets it's fine. But having a weapon that powerfull in close range on a small map is just retarded. Nothing beats rockets on chillout, prisoner, chiron and damnation unless your just terrible.
Hang 'Em High.
stop do not troleQuote:
Originally Posted by Heathen
best map in any halo game.
I mean it.
Best pistol wank fest in any game. I mean it.
Sidewinder.
It's been a long time -- but my favourite was Ice Fields and Death Island... Gearbox made the best maps.
Sidewinder,Ice Fields, dangercanyon no heavys
Infinity
Damnation no heavy's.
Amazing game play.
red has advantage in ctf
I'm a sucker for Chill Out shotguns, with shields.
Prisoner is the best map ever made, and it's better than anything you've ever done, so uh shut up!Quote:
Originally Posted by Inferno
IceFields. Loved everything about it.
Ratrace shotguns, Prisoner Rockets, Chill Out shot guns...snipers sidewinder...best combos imo..
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuki
Also Damnation plasma pistols only.
On topic, Damnation Team Slayer with classic weapons.
He's not talking about blood gulch in general. It's more of it's symetry. And symetry is a good thing when designing maps.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnaFuBAR
I enjoy chillout the most. I guess because each area is different. Or in this case it's A-symetrical. Damnation is my second favorite.
Have none of you looked at Blood Gulch lately? There's no 'symetry' whatsoever to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PopeAK49
Prisoner. Good luck getting a general opinion out of this though - everyone has different ideas on what makes a good map.
For big vehicle/ctf maps I'd say Death Island is my favorite, for large-scale team slayer matches, Hang Em High, for smaller 1v1, 2v2 slayer, Chillout
I'd be on the Damny bandwagon as well if someone hadn't gone and ruined it for me. :smithicide:
I personally like Infinity, but it's too damn big. 16 players is just barely enough for it, but playing it effectively requires teamwork; something the average pub scrub fails at.
Chill Out is a fucking grenade spamfest, as is Rat Race. Worst goddamn maps to play on if the server op turned on infinite grenades.
Chiron is fucking awesome once you realize how the layout works, which is something the average Halo player can't be assed to do.
Sidewinder is good imho.
I find playing race on Chiron is a good way to learn the layout (and how it's all fucking next to each other, that blew my mind lol).Quote:
Originally Posted by p0lar_bear
Favourite default maps?
I actually liked KoTH on Damnation as well as All vehicles on deathisland. Sidewinder is fun too, and icefields was nice.
For small maps, I actually can't remember any of their names lol
Have you look at it recently?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pooky
There is a base one side a identical base the other side, there is a teleporter in one base leading to the middle there is one on the other base, each side has a cave which lead to the middle.
Derelict, Wizard and Battle Creek are symmetrical maps. Just because Blood Gulch has similar elements on each side doesn't mean it's symmetrical :\ One base has an obvious advantage over the other (whoever can camp the tele on the hill - I forget).Quote:
Originally Posted by =sw=warlord
I didn't say it was exactly symetrical i said it was balenced and i pointed out what i ment by that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Timo
The topography of the map makes it very one-sided, however. The hill next to the red teleporter exit usually leaves blue base under constant assault.
Only when people scramble for the sniper rifle and dont bother taking the person on the hill.Quote:
Originally Posted by p0lar_bear
uhhh no.Quote:
Originally Posted by =sw=warlord
blood gulch is the worst over played map of all time. yeah its fun, but it gets tiresome, and once you relize how much of an advantage red has with the hill, it takes alot away from it. there's absoultley no cover almost and if the kid thats on the hill knows what he is doing, then your doomed.
This plus use spawn points to counter spawn killers and when you use vehicles, place another that counters (defends against) that vehicleQuote:
Originally Posted by English Mobster
and this.Quote:
Originally Posted by p0lar_bear
chiron is my favorite, the only thing they failed on was that most of the rooms can be used as nade traps...which i do whenever i have nades lol. I also like how you dont really need your team, since it's very likely that your team will be filled with douchebags anyway...with at least one guy meleeing the afk guy for minutes on end.
It depends on what form of symetry you are thinking of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pooky
In this case, the creators focused more on symetry than balance. Maybe it was balance you were thinking of.
My two personal favourites are Sidewinder and Hang 'Em High. Sidewinder has a classic shape with many available routes to the flag, and the way it's laid out makes the pistol less of a powerful weapon; it's too close to use it or too far to use it for half the time. Hang 'Em Highhas ample cover and it's tight enough where the pistol doesn't become all-powerful. This map has an emphasis on learning grenade placement.
timberland is actually my favorite
I like Sidewinder too, but the guy with a sniper is at huge advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
Not if you have a really good counter sniping spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lateksi
Its not balanced.Quote:
Originally Posted by =sw=warlord
SCRATCH EVERY OPINION IN THIS THREAD.
Best game EVER is no shields, invisible team shotguns on Chiron.
Holy shit. Old CAF server <3
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Originally Posted by blind
THIS WEEKEND, HCEL.
LET'S DO IT. Oh and don't forget to bring Cerebrum guyz.
I love you.Quote:
Originally Posted by blind
^AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by p0lar_bear
More people need to try it. Really is the way that Chiron should be played.
I honestly don't understand why Chiron has such a bad rep. I love that map on pretty much any gametype (except rockets, because I hate rockets on any map).
Let's do a Chiron + Shotty gamenight this Friday.
My vote goes to Sidewinder.
This is only due to the maps U shape and turret to attack both bases.
I just realized that Avalanche is a remake of sidewinder.....
You use the turret? :ohdear:Quote:
Originally Posted by annihilation
Ratrace and Derelict
Perfect for sneaking and bashing backs in.
not just shotguns on chiron. invisible.
team.
shotguns.
How the hell would you go about attacking the bases with a turret that doesn't even reach that far (iirc)Quote:
Originally Posted by annihilation
I think the shots reach, but they take so damn long to get there that anyone with at least 1/4 of a brain is out of the way, and people with more than 1/2 a brain picked up the sniper to pick 'em off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pooky
You forgot the part about no shields.Quote:
Originally Posted by blind
Only because I know how to use it properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Con
:realsmug:
hang 'em high. Favorite H1 map and will always be.
H2: Lockout. I like small games of 4-6 players. BT games aren't for me.
H3: really don't have a favorite. Maybe snowbound. IDK.
It really depends on the gameplay type you like playing. I play alot of free for all slayer so asymmetric maps are great for that and 1 flag CTF.
hang em high sucks because of grenades.
and no team indicatorsQuote:
Originally Posted by sdavis117
sorry for forgetting that shit guys, thanks for adding things to the greatest gametype ever :woop: