It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

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December 6th, 2009, 01:36 PM
CrAsHOvErRide

It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Bugs/Fixes/Enhancements...anything you want. I'm out of ideas.

Restrictions? Obvious ones...and if Open Sauce can do it better (e.g. custom dev commands).

For instance...

-devmode restrictions removed *Done*

Now ogog.
December 6th, 2009, 01:39 PM
Limited

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

inb4 netcode fix..

Would be cool to be able to log the chat but client side (so not on server).
December 6th, 2009, 02:43 PM
Higuy

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Anti-Aliasing would be nice.
December 6th, 2009, 02:57 PM
supersniper

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

that's already possible but i can't figure it out with my graphics card :/
December 6th, 2009, 03:14 PM
jcap

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Quote:

Originally Posted by Limited

Would be cool to be able to log the chat but client side (so not on server).

OS already does that.

I don't understand this thread. :-/
December 6th, 2009, 03:18 PM
Gwunty

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

how about you make sapien not have specular on by default
that way my maps dont look like someone vomited all over them while im populating
December 6th, 2009, 03:27 PM
Dwood

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Hey patty how about... enabling bump maps on items other than the bsp itself?

Yeah that would be tough... Add a timer display in OS. That stuff I pm'ed you about on vivid-abstractions etc.
December 6th, 2009, 03:39 PM
seanthelawn

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

What about an active camouflage fix for 1.09? I can't find one and DXTweaker doesn't work for me.
December 6th, 2009, 03:44 PM
jcap

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

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Originally Posted by seanthelawn

What about an active camouflage fix for 1.09? I can't find one and DXTweaker doesn't work for me.

I'm pretty sure OS has an active camo fix in it, but it's 1.08. Use that with version changer, or update OS to 1.09.
December 6th, 2009, 03:49 PM
CrAsHOvErRide

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

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Originally Posted by jcap

I'm pretty sure OS has an active camo fix in it, but it's 1.08. Use that with version changer, or update OS to 1.09.

Didn't know OS could do that but I could just copy that part and paste it into the Halo exe so no OS or Version Changer necessary.

EDIT: It does...it was found by FireScythe but the idea is old. Changing the vendor. Would be possible to patch but I wonder if there will be problems or disadvantages if the vendor is hard coded for every graphic card out there.
December 6th, 2009, 03:53 PM
Dwood

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcap

update OS to 1.09.

haha nice one....
December 6th, 2009, 04:08 PM
Heathen

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Quote:

Originally Posted by supersniper

that's already possible but i can't figure it out with my graphics card :/

no, pretty sure its impossible.
am I wrong?
December 6th, 2009, 04:12 PM
Dwood

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heathen

no, pretty sure its impossible.
am I wrong?

Without reversing at least half the engine, no you are not.
December 6th, 2009, 04:36 PM
Inferno

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Fix the fact that I get 33 ping on a FUCKING LAN NETWORK AT MY HOUSE.
December 6th, 2009, 04:39 PM
Con

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Think you could find a fix for us nvidia users who have to disable decals or suffer huge framerate drops?
December 6th, 2009, 04:40 PM
CrAsHOvErRide

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Quote:

Originally Posted by CN3089

Fix the fact that I get 33 ping on a FUCKING LAN NETWORK AT MY HOUSE.

Move your mouse closer to the receiver, buy a short cable, replace the gold on your MoBo with silver and try to circumvent Einstein's first principle of General Relativity. :v:

EDIT: Con I could look into that.
December 6th, 2009, 04:42 PM
Inferno

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Lol no. I get 2 to 3 ping in Unreal 2k4 and then like 33 to 60 in Halo.

It's some stupid shit with the netcode I'm sure.
December 6th, 2009, 05:30 PM
CrAsHOvErRide

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Some of this stuff is easily done with OS. I guess I can just release a version with those basic fixes included.
December 6th, 2009, 05:59 PM
Kornman00

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Quote:

Originally Posted by CN3089

Lol no. I get 2 to 3 ping in Unreal 2k4 and then like 33 to 60 in Halo.

It's some stupid shit with the netcode I'm sure.

Well, some of the game updates are tied (unless modified via delagginator or the like) at 30 (or higher) game ticks (or it may have been FPS). I wouldn't be surprised if it was either: A) lying and including this watered down packet update value in the real ping (3 + 30) or B) Actually causing the pings to take that long to respond due to the time things are suppose to be updated. Just educated guesses though.

I've dedicated far more (personal) time in lower level systems and tool development to really get too deep in the Network engineering field for grade A games. However, at least this game doesn't suffer from 'WTF'isms like that in MW2. Maybe we should instead figure out a way to get IW to properly design and implement an XBL matchmaking and party interface? That or just wait for Reach and whomever ports it with Halo 3.
December 7th, 2009, 04:56 PM
supersniper

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwood

Without reversing at least half the engine, no you are not.

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=35242876

mybad i was thinking about that.
December 7th, 2009, 05:07 PM
Warsaw

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

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Originally Posted by Con

Think you could find a fix for us nvidia users who have to disable decals or suffer huge framerate drops?

wat.

7800GT, and I get in excess of 200fps with decals enabled...:raise:.
December 7th, 2009, 05:09 PM
chrisk123999

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Not all Nvidia cards have that problem.
December 7th, 2009, 05:12 PM
Dwood

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

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Originally Posted by chrisk123999

Not all Nvidia cards have that problem.

all cards POST 7xxx era have this problem.
December 7th, 2009, 05:18 PM
=sw=warlord

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

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Originally Posted by Dwood

all cards POST 7xxx era have this problem.

Not mine, and i have a 8800GTS.
December 7th, 2009, 06:33 PM
Cortexian

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

I actually just tried with my 285, and it didn't drop!
December 7th, 2009, 07:21 PM
Yoko

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

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Originally Posted by =sw=warlord

Not mine, and i have a 8800GTS.

8600gt and I get huge fps drop :smith:
December 7th, 2009, 08:32 PM
Hunter

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

NORMALS MAPS ON ALL SHADERS!!
December 7th, 2009, 08:51 PM
Maniac

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I third the bumps on non BSP.
December 7th, 2009, 09:14 PM
Inferno

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Bumps that actually show up with non-dynamic light.
December 7th, 2009, 10:00 PM
t3h m00kz

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Halo's engine is horribly outdated, and the size of the playing community is down to near nothing, especially after the latest patch. I personally see no reason to want to upgrade a decade-old engine when Bungie would just release a new patch that voids all of the modifications.

If anything I'd say stick to 1.07 modding, as it was by far the most popular build, and works just fine with version changer.
December 8th, 2009, 06:22 AM
Lateksi

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Quote:

8800GTS.

I have the same card and I get 1-20 fps when I enable decals.

Quote:

1.07 works just fine with version changer.

Not for me :gonk:
December 9th, 2009, 09:20 AM
tythespy

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Don't get mad but, I always have fun with this:
Halo Ce Cloner. But for dedicated Servers.
December 9th, 2009, 09:27 AM
Cortexian

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Huh? What does Halo CE Cloner do?
December 9th, 2009, 04:17 PM
Delta4907

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

The version I have lets you clone yourself in your local server. You respawn instantly, but your old body just stands there. Cloning while running makes the cloned biped run forever. If someone shoots a clone, you take damage as well, and if a clone dies, you die. The last time I used it I got an exception after cloning a few times.
December 9th, 2009, 04:37 PM
Dwood

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

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Originally Posted by Delta4907

The version I have lets you clone yourself in your local server. You respawn instantly, but your old body just stands there. Cloning while running makes the cloned biped run forever. If someone shoots a clone, you take damage as well, and if a clone dies, you die. The last time I used it I got an exception after cloning a few times.

I would LOVE this cloning app. In fact, making it possible to switch between clones would be amazing.
December 9th, 2009, 04:42 PM
ShadowSpartan

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

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Originally Posted by Dwood

I would LOVE this cloning app. In fact, making it possible to switch between clones would be amazing.

Why? I don't see the point.
December 9th, 2009, 04:44 PM
Inferno

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

He's dwood. That's the point.

Oh and again. Someone needs to explain to me why I get a 33ms on LAN.

It should be like 1 or 2 ms.
December 9th, 2009, 04:59 PM
Dwood

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Quote:

Originally Posted by CN3089

He's dwood. That's the point.

Quotin' dis.
December 9th, 2009, 05:04 PM
CrAsHOvErRide

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Quote:

Originally Posted by CN3089

He's dwood. That's the point.

Oh and again. Someone needs to explain to me why I get a 33ms on LAN.

It should be like 1 or 2 ms.

Korn did..
December 9th, 2009, 05:25 PM
Dwood

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

I'd like to add that doing the clone app but at least allowing a person to move each clone separately would make amazing strides in doing ai online (in a fake manner) however I'm not sure if the clones would sync?
December 9th, 2009, 06:55 PM
Inferno

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

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Originally Posted by CrAsHOvErRide

Korn did..

Well IDGI. Does the stupid game actually wait 30 ticks before sending the data to the clients or does the game just add a "fake" 30 ping to the real ping.

Either way on LAN I still lag like shit and I have to lead by 1 step which is way to much lead for a network that's quite literally 10 feet of cable between computers. The only reason my freinds don't like halo is the lag. If I could fix that we could actually play it on LAN without them raging at my epic leading.

edit-

I tried dellagonater once. It didn't make any difference.

edit 2-

Lol dwood the intended meaning of my post was "Dwood is a idiot. That's the point."

Being as shadow hates you o somshit bre.
December 9th, 2009, 07:06 PM
Dwood

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Quote:

Originally Posted by CN3089

Lol dwood the intended meaning of my post was "Dwood is a idiot. That's the point."

Being as shadow hates you o somshit bre.

No Shadow hates just about anyone that doesn't give a 'proper' explanation.
December 9th, 2009, 09:35 PM
supersniper

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

so like cn said...
shadow hates you.
December 9th, 2009, 09:54 PM
Choking Victim

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwood

I'd like to add that doing the clone app but at least allowing a person to move each clone separately would make amazing strides in doing ai online (in a fake manner) however I'm not sure if the clones would sync?

If you specifically volunteer to move the ai around individually (in real time, without pay) to simulate ai in every server that logs in to play "online coop", then sure, it'd make huge strides...
December 9th, 2009, 10:07 PM
ShadowSpartan

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choking Victim

If you specifically volunteer to move the ai around individually (in real time, without pay) to simulate ai in every server that logs in to play "online coop", then sure, it'd make huge strides...

Lol, must spread rep.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwood

No Shadow hates just about anyone that doesn't give a 'proper' explanation.

You didn't give any explanation at all...so yeah.
December 10th, 2009, 05:43 AM
Dwood

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowSpartan

You didn't give any explanation at all...so yeah.

What obliges me to give one?
December 10th, 2009, 09:31 AM
ShadowSpartan

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwood

What obliges me to give one?

Don't put words into my mouth about hating people who don't give a "proper" response. You gave no response to my question, and instead quoted Inferno's post thinking it was some kind of complement to you.

Nothing obligates you to give an explanation, though it would be nice.
December 10th, 2009, 02:25 PM
Dwood

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

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Originally Posted by ShadowSpartan

Nothing obligates you to give an explanation, though it would be nice.

All right, much better. While my dream is to have ai that syncs over the net, I realize that is impossible to do without many implications, so a while back bitidork and I formulated an idea (Limited said he would do the pathfinding if we would succeed in this endeavor) that one could 'fake' a player to make ai work.

The problem was that neither I nor biti had any idea how it would work b/c of the way the netcode was/is designed (We don't want to require a cd-key/hash per ai you see)

So now that I know about halo cloner and I know at least that the creation of the clone is possible, my hopes are much higher, however I bet limited has forgotten about that offer so I lower my goal to allow a person to set points and actions the client/clone should do. Not in the hope of making ai but rather to increase the abilities for machinima people.
December 10th, 2009, 02:47 PM
Con

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

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Originally Posted by ShadowSpartan

Nothing obligates you to give an explanation, though it would be nice.

You're right, explanations sure are nice. As I see it, a proper explanation would have saved time in both of these threads.
December 10th, 2009, 02:50 PM
ShadowSpartan

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

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Originally Posted by Con

You're right, explanations sure are nice. As I see it, a proper explanation would have saved time in both of these threads.

Maybe you should look a couple posts above. I stated that only a few people know how the hash is actually calculated, that should be sufficient enough for him to come to the conclusion "Oh, so I can't do this then".
December 10th, 2009, 03:58 PM
Con

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowSpartan

Maybe you should look a couple posts above. I stated that only a few people know how the hash is actually calculated, that should be sufficient enough for him to come to the conclusion "Oh, so I can't do this then".

Obviously it wasn't sufficient because your response left a lot to be desired. I don't blame him for wondering.

Take it to PMs if you want to reply.
December 10th, 2009, 04:43 PM
Limited

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwood

All right, much better. While my dream is to have ai that syncs over the net, I realize that is impossible to do without many implications, so a while back bitidork and I formulated an idea (Limited said he would do the pathfinding if we would succeed in this endeavor) that one could 'fake' a player to make ai work.

I guarantee you, I never said I would do pathfinding. I know that for a fact, because I have never mentioned Halo and pathfinding, to anyone, ever.

I may have been speaking to you about general pathfinding, thats because I have been researching different AI algorithms lately, but for personal projects only.

Either you completely misunderstood me, or you have me confused for someone else.
December 10th, 2009, 04:48 PM
Dwood

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Sorry, that was CN3809 that said that.

Yes, I am ragging on you inferno
December 10th, 2009, 04:55 PM
Limited

Re: It would be cool to have...Game Modification Ideas

Alright, just think before spitting out random names and random facts.

Inferno doesnt program though..

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