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No, I didnt copy Neuro's name, stop asking me if I did so. I got Nero from the new Star Trek movie. Nero being the big bad guy.
I don't want to clog up the quick thread with my stuff, so ill just post wips and finished stuff here when I get to them. Right now though, I would appreciate any crit on my first environment concept. More like a portrait of mountains, but still. Its WIP, so advice and crit would be awesome. Thanks.
=)
-Oh and I'm not Chains either if your wondering. :raise:-
I like the dolphin on the left.
HAHA, I SAW IT TOO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llama Juice
Speaking of the dolphin, that is about the only thing in the picture that just seems weird. There's just 2 big white and grey blobs over there with no detail or anything.
I must say, I never even noticed that. o.O
@horns... well.. uhm.........
^Quote:
Originally Posted by Nero
Took some shots of my mom's birthday flower's. Anyone have any tips how I can flush out the colors or simply make the pic more interesting? =o
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...g?t=1263684552
I wouldn't recommend using the camera's flash for that, it makes those hard shadows. Levels also need tweaking.
some methods for adjusting colours:
- Duplicate your layer, give it a gradient map (image/adjustments) and set this layer to a blending style like soft light. Experiment with different colours and blending styles.
- Convert the image to lab colour, then open up the curves window and play around with the chroma channels. Try dragging the ends of the segment closer to the center but level with the bottom/top.
- Levels
- Channel mixer
- hue/saturation (I don't recommend too much of this)
- Exposure can be used with duplicated layers and masks to brighten up darker parts of the image if needed (poor man's fill light)
I didn't have any direction here, but this just shows what these techniques can do:
I used channel mixer to darken the background a bit so the focus is more on the flowers, then applied a bunch of other techniques until I got here.
If you have an idea what you want then you should get great results.
Thank you both for the tips! I'll try them out.
As weird as it sounds, looking at those flowers gave me an instant headache. The contrast just threw my head into a spin haha
Augh Con, what have you done? :ugh:
I think to improve the photo all that needs to be done is to correct the mild underexposure with the curves tool - I determined the white point from the highlights on the topmost flower. I also applied some high-pass sharpening to emphasize the details on the flowers and make them crisper.
he said he wanted something interestingQuote:
Originally Posted by Reaper Man
i thought it was interesting :smith:
I thought it was cool, in a sepia tone kind of way
oh, alright.
wtf, shot tags dont work for me still! :(
E/Yes, I noticed some of the things are off. but I only used one ref, and just noticed them now. FML.
GO TO THE POST BELOW MRBIGS
.Code:[ shot]http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/3793/tempflowers.jpg[/shot]
Edit; I'm modeling this because im supposed to be modeling something else for another team, but it looks really bad imo. And im trying to change up models, and then see if I can make that one better.
Black - To high and show be slanted to the right more from that angle.
Green - To high, move it down alittle
Blue - Still to high, needs to be lower
Excuse my bad photoshop paint brush, dont use it to much.
Get the main shape of the gun done before you start doing all the little detail (the floaters).
I don't work like that, and I cant. Ask FlyinRooster, or Boba.
I tend to end up with a horrible model.
Yes, this might have proportions that are off, but that's because I'm only working based off of the ref that Spartan posted above.
What game engine is this going to be used in? If its in Halo CE, please don't tell me your baking the normals from those floaters into the diffuse :gonk:
Mb, I dunno. Whats wrong with baking it for halo though?
You need to try and get away from floating geometry on cylindrical objects.
And get more ref's... Just use google.
I would if I cared so much for it to be accurate.
Disaster/ should I make it part of the mesh?
He's saying you can flatten the cylinder and bake it like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nero
Nothing is really wrong with it. I just want to see it in an engine that can make full use of normal maps :realsmug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nero
you have some details in there that would perhaps give a greater affect if they were actually part of the mesh. floating geo is great for small and very obnoxious details which would otherwise cause headaches in the mesh. if they get too big, it may cause unwanted affects with your AO
yeah i would say, 'bend' modifier that barrel and get rid of floaters
not too bad looking.
also, yes, try to stay away from floaters.
they're a shortcut to easy normalmaps, but a bad habit to get into.
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...ighter/1-1.png
http://joshflighter.blogspot.com/
I still haven't mirror'd everything, thats why it looks kinda skinny in some areas.
I stared putting angled foaters inside the mesh, apart of th button handle part with all the detail. I will do that after tomorrow's exam.
Anyways, I start the low poly tomorow. =D
looks like a bit of a clusterfuck tbh.
now you're just adding stuff for the sake of adding stuff. there's no balance in it anymore.
It's what halo reach did with there AR. :/
if you copy something which is ugly, the copy will still be ugly.
I have to agree with neuro. If you're going to replicate the AR might as well put your own spin on it and make it look good and somewhat different. and stop with the fucking floaters damn it
Heh, I cant do anything about that. I wanted a replica and I wont be changing that now.
About the floaters... well, its easier for me. =)
Do it right, not easy.
Even though this is subdivided... you would probably get the same details in the normal with this as you would with a low poly model. Edges are too tight I guess, Neuro would probably agree :P
Uhm.. what? Its not wrong either. Please refrain from posting if you dont know what your talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by FRain
And the edges are pretty much fine imo, I like them as they are. There not meant to have to much curve to them.
yes they are wrong, at least if you were planning to actually use the highres mesh to bake from. (which i assume you are, since that's the only reason you'd use floaters)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nero
floaters always(99%) project wrong, and they'll ruin any ambientocclusion you'll ever try to bake.
floaters were invented when normalmaps were a new thing, to save time.
they're alright to use for small flat things which protrude, PROTRUDE! if they recess into the surface, model them in,
like bolts, rivets, all that jazz, floaters are fine, if they dent in, like grooves, screw-holes, your detailthingies, model them in, because it makes for better baking, and better modelling in general.
if you can be arsed to paint out the junk it produces in ambient (which is a shit work to do, trust me) then be my guest, floaters are still bad practice though.
also, if you think your edges are fine, keep them that way, it's your model, your work. this is just crit thread, and i always repeat to people not to make their edges so tight, because it ends up not showing up in normalmaps, or coming out pixellated or in less-than-a-pixel edges.
tl;dr: use floaters if you want to, we dont care. fact remains, floaters are bad. always.
Truth is, I have major problems when I have to many things in one object. Basicly, when I turbosmooth it/make it high poly, it becomes a pain in the ass to put constraints. Some constraints ruin other parts of the model, and since everyone is telling me that I must use 4 sided polygons, I basicly screw up when its too complicated.Quote:
Originally Posted by neuro
As far as being to tight, I never knew that. Thank you. I guess its to late for this model, but ill keep that in mind for the next. =)
(this is for halo ce btw, so bumps wont really be of any use in it.)
4 sided polys only is mroe of a guideline than a rule.
late to the party, but
...i agree. the halo games lost all sense of art direction over time, their assets went from actually looking really good to being the same bevel-and-extrude boxy pieces of fucking turd that literally every other sci-fi game has sunken to. it's like nobody in the sci-fi genre has a single creative brain cell in their entire head.Quote:
Originally Posted by neuro
http://joshflighter.blogspot.com
Not advertising my blog.
New post shows my low poly. Also, high poly has some of the detail in the model now, (curved areas).
Sadly, I dont think this will be going anywhere from here, because it seems the teams UV'er isn't doing his job, and so on and so forth. I myself tried unwrapping, but im a horrible unwrapper, so its not happening. :P
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...ampconcept.png
More progress. I was going to post it in the quick crit thread, but since I will be updating it a lot, I will post here.
I really need help with idea's. The background is dull, and I dont know what to add. i was thinking of a structure, but I don't think that would be a great fit. Dunno.
I think it could benefit from a more dramatic angle and better composition. Right now it just seems like a collection of objects meant to fill up the space. Maybe you've got a better idea of the composition in your head but I'm just not seeing it right now. Something that would look great in the background is using the rain to show the depth layering of some low-lying clouds and terrain. I'm also not sure what's going on with your lighting.
I think the angle of the camera is fine, but the way the rain is coming in really ruins it. If you want your rain like that, you need to get closer to the ground.
Modelling a bike that I will be buying sometime this summer hopefully. (CBR250R Honda)
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...er/body2-1.jpg
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...er/body3-1.jpg
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...hter/body4.jpg
This is prob my first model that has so many curves in it. So this is a great challenge for me. Anyways, crit is always welcome. :)
New renders:
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...hter/body5.jpg
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...hter/body6.jpg
New update:
http://www.polycount.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82362
I dunno why I post here, since no one even responds, but either way might as well:
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...er/engine2.jpg
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...ter/engine.jpg
Having problems with the "HONDA" text:
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...ter/egine4.jpg
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...r/egine3-1.jpg
What's the problem? Just that it's all round and bubbly?
No, in those pictures I don't have it subdivided. The problem is, when I subdivide it, with all the constraints in place, it gets all messed up. I had a few people try and help with the problem, I yet still have to try and get it to work right. (I'm using the shape creator text tool).
Update: (Have to go out for awhile, so I doubt I can get any more done today)
Enjoy
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...r/bodyside.jpg
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n.../frontside.jpg
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...hter/motor.jpg
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...hter/front.jpg
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...ter/front2.jpg
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...ter/side-2.jpg
Oh and for the fun of it:
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...enginedone.jpg
You're going to bake it right?
It depends. If I make a nice enough base and make a nice enough render, i may not. I personally can't texture yet, so I see no sense to do so.
Finished the hud/dashboard area. Also testing out render settings that I just learned.
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...rendercopy.png
High Res:
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...rendercopy.png
That's coming along nicely. I'm looking forward to the final result.
Thanks appreciate it!
Update:
*This may sound weird... but it took me the entire day to get this wheel right. I'm still not done with it. Heh. Life.*
http://cdn.eat3d.com/files/imagecache/forum/wheel.png
Edit: The little errors on the rendere'd bike/wheel isnt an error on the model.
I have never seen a tire that looks anything like that.
Funny because I have:
http://jajangyusup.com/wp-content/up...da-CBR250R.jpg
Looking good Nero.
Those are quite possibly the dumbest looking tires I've ever seen then.
What did you expect a motorcycle tire to look like? I get where you are coming from, but a motorcycle isn't supposed to have all those threads like a car tire, because there is no need for them.
Update:
Josh.. what did you add? Well, nothing much. I added the glass parts and that is about it. I was at a specialist today, because I am losing a lot of blood, and I'm only 17 (I guess 18, because my birthday is in May, yay!). So my day was gone. Anyways, what is important in this render, is the fact I have went back and re-adjusted the parts to make them more wider because I noticed the back of the bike was becoming to thin. I was going to add things to the wheel in the back, but found out I couldn't because the frame was in the way. I am still in the means of adjusting things, for example the seats (not to look so flat) and other stuff. Hope you guys enjoy this one (It should look more like the real thing): :)
http://cdn.eat3d.com/files/imagecache/forum/color.png
*I see that some parts need to also be fixed because of my new adjustments. (Near the fuel tank.. ect.)
I expected something that looked less like a 12 year old took a knife to it.
but hey, if it works it works.
nice model too
I thought the same as you, But after staring at it so much, it now looks like a normal tire. Lol.
...Why are you losing blood? D:
Internal bleeding causing the blood to "flow" out, when I go out. They will be putting a camera in my intestines and in all those lovely areas to see what is really causing it. Hopefully its not cancer. But yea, I guess everything happens for a reason.
Don't die! D:
The way a motorcycle tire takes loads and such is much different from car tires, and therefore, they are built differently. They don't look dumb, you're just ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVOUS
As an artist you can mimmick reality in it's entirety, or get creative and sacrifice things you don't like in favour of something you do, just because I think they look dumb regardless of their realism aspect hardly makes me ignorant~Quote:
Originally Posted by SnaFuBAR
No of course not, you're still being belligerent though.
What you should have said was: "It doesn't matter if it looks dumb if it gets the job done" :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SnaFuBAR
May I ask how you guys find the tire dumb? Also, this will be a portfolio model, therefore I want to stick as close as possible to the real thing.
I don't. They were designed that way for a reason by the engineer, regardless of it's aesthetics it has its utility and purpose. If it serves it, why question it?
Thank you btw, I don't want to die either. :)
@Snaf; hey man, I noticed you surf PolyCount. :)
Update:
Not to much, but it's getting there. I need to find a way to realistically render this bike when I am done. Anyone have any tuts? (I wont be texturing this.)
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...ter/back-2.png
What'd you make it in?
Everything so far *apart of some renders at the begging* has been done in 3DS Max 2010.
A friend of mine has a good tutorial on realistic lighting and shaders for Max, I'll see if he can get it for me and I'll send it your way
It's awesome, but why did you do a 250 instead of a 1000RR or something awesome? lol
I am modelling the 250r because I will be buying it. :)
Update: I need to still add the muffler on the other side, and the wheel detail on the other side (because its different). After that, it's just going over the model to fix errors/pinches and make it look better in parts that its not. :)
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...hter/back1.png
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...hter/back2.png
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...hter/back3.png
*Old ss of max, but I liked it*
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...ackrooster.png
Update:
Scroll to the button:
http://www.polycount.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82362
Enjoy :)
Drop-dead gorgeous modeling. Rendering is "eh", but I saw your reasons why.
thats it, youve inspired me to finally sit down and learn subdivision modeling.
Wow, so jealous of your skills :(.
I wouldnt even know where to start modeling that..........where did you start to model that, what part? :D I assume main frame of the bike?
High poly came out good but to really bring it to the next level I hope you plan on making a low poly/diffuse/all that jazz, not sure if you intended on doing so or not.
Looks nice, awkward shapes right there haha. I hate organic modelling, i'm going have to do some soon though I think. Maybe a new character, about time tbqh.
Wow, so many comments. Thanks guys!
@Warsaw; I try. Hopefully they will keep getting better. :) Btw thanks.
@Donut: Glad to hear. Its easier then normal modeling, if you got the basics down. Practice is everything.
@Limited: I started with the frame. I believe it to be crucial because the body dictates where the engine goes and where detail goes. Once the cage or frame is done, the rest just falls in place. If not, you may end up with the wrong proportions. But thats just me. :)
@PenGuin: Thanks! Sadly no. There are 2 reasons behind this. The first is that I dont find the need to make it low poly. My goal was to complete a portofio model and learn from it. Its not done yet, as I still want to make it better. The second reason is that I now am working on a project that, if im not mistaken, will be really epic. I think its more like DNA, so we will see what happens.
@Hunter: Thanks man. Yea, they were awkward. It is semi-organic, so it was pretty fun. :) Btw, would love to see you model something organic aswell.
Update:
Yes yes.. its here. Not really done yet.
Enjoy:
Fixed link:
http://pbr303.photobucket.com/albums...letedhonda.png
While I completely understand the overshadowing of other projects I would love to see a low poly. I know there's no practical reason but for one, portfolio viewers love to see how this high poly model can be put use in a game world (given that's what you're goin for). Plus it's always cool to see the high poly baked onto a nice low poly. If you ever get the time, it'd be awesome to see, especially for such a nice high poly.
Sorry, been busy lately.
Also, I understand you're point PenGuin. I may do it.
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Completed.
I would like to thank roosterMAP (Aka rooster) and everyone else who helped to crit on the model/renders.
Also a thanks goes to Polycount, Eat3d, and Modacity's community for the reply's that kept me going. :)
As of now, I won't be touch this model, unless I have time.
http://joshdina.carbonmade.com/
Enjoy. :)
As of now, I don't think I will be posting in this thread anymore.
great renders but I think you should know if you're displaying these on a portfolio don't put that stuff in the background. It SERIOUSLY detracts from the model itself. It should be a flat or simple gradient background. Plus everyone I've talked to has always mentioned the same. Framing the borders can be nice though. Overall great job
name calling, that's cuteQuote:
Originally Posted by TeeKup
Don't be fucking stupid, if you seriously think that art is that inflexible get out.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeeKup
If you honestly think that 3D modelling must always be artistic and cannot be used for replication then you are a fool.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVOUS
Good job Nero, do you have any plans on trying a cagiva V-raptor at any point?
don't even post you fucking moronQuote:
Originally Posted by =sw=warlord
Sel the purpose of Josh's little project is to recreate something in it's entirety, not an artistic creation from the depths of his mind. You're being an immature and belligerent child with your recent posts which really reinstates why you shouldn't have come back. Clean up your attitude please before you post again, because at this point you sound like a 12 year spouting insults on a throne that isn't his.
We haven't been discussing nero's motorcycle for a while now though??Quote:
Originally Posted by TeeKup
Please, don't respond to me again if you can't even be assed to get the context of the statement correct.
Sel you don't get to have an attitude like that just because you can draw bad furry porn. If you want to try (key word there) and degrade me further have at. Do it in a PM. I don't want to ruin Josh's thread.
having trouble reading?Quote:
Originally Posted by NVOUS
how dare we have a serious discussion about artQuote:
Originally Posted by TeeKup
that's the most degrading thing ever!
oh also the personal attacks on things I like to do, that's very cute of you :3
@Warlord: I will have to look into what that is. :)
@Sel:
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Originally Posted by Nero
Correct place to make a thread and have a lovely discussion:Quote:
[GALLERY] Nero's porno at its best
This is how I see it. Honda made it, I replicated it. We discussed it, and it was decided that it would remain like Honda made it because I was going for a replica. You are bringing up something that is days old.Quote:
The Studio
I will re-open this thread if I have something to show. Also I would like to thank Teacup for having some common courtesy.
