Modacity shooters' thread

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Since there seem to be at least a few of us with an interest in shooting, I figured maybe we should have a thread for the discussion of just that. I mean real shooting, not paintball or Airsoft. That stuff belongs either in an existing thread or somewhere else, just not in here. Basically, chat about guns, ammo, whatever. I give no fuck as long as it's related to shooting and isn't covered by another thread.

Anyways, went to the range at West Ed for the second time. Last time I shot pretty well with the Ruger P85 in 9mm Para (first time with a handgun, first time also without a scope/optical sight of some sort). Tonight I tried out the USP (in 9mm para), the P85 again, and then it seems the instructors/safety officers there were so impressed they let me put a magazine through a Glock of some sort chambered for .40 S&W, same as the ones issued to the local police.

I found the USP to be poorly-suited to me. I don't know if it was the pistol, myself, or a combination of the two, but although I landed most rounds in the target area, a lot didn't and even those within it were very spread out. The USP definitely has a different feel to the P85; this may have had something to do with it. The sights in particular seemed to give more potential for parallax error than those of the Ruger. Otherwise it handled nicely; reloading was easy (although actually loading the mag proved a struggle), and the controls were nice and easily accessible. However, the fact I shot so badly with it suggests that it's not the right pistol for me.

Next came the P85, for the second time. It was the same gun I'd fired before, and it still had the worrying feel that it wanted to fall apart in my hand. I can't vouch for its age or the way it has been treated by previous visitors to the range, so that could be uncharacteristic of the type; either way, when it came to actually shooting, it was great. Just like last time, I shot the centre of my target right through, with only about ten percent of the rounds I fired landing outside the target circle (and not by much; none missed the paper as far as I can tell). The sights were easier to read and the recoil seemed a bit more manageable than the USP's. That said, the controls were again a bit of an issue. The push-forward design of the mag release meant I had to actually shift my grip on the gun considerably to release the magazine, and upon re-inserting it, the mag would catch halfway in, requiring me to force it rather aggresively. On one occasion this actually caused the slide to release and cock the weapon before I was prepared to do so, but of course it was under control at the time and did not go off. I'm a bit on the fence about this pistol. On the one hand, I love how it handles; on the other, I don't like the controls and reloading is a complete pain compared to the USP.

After putting my box of some 60 rounds through the P85, one of the range employees offered me a Glock chambered in .40 S&W, with one loaded magazine; when they asked if I'd shot before I told them I'm an Australian soldier, so we had a pretty decent conversation going about the equipment we use. He told me this was the same pistol that the Edmonton Police are issued (probably the same ours are issued, too), and let me try it out for free. The first thing that struck me was the tiny size of the slide stop. I guess this wouldn't be a problem once someone was trained enough that muscle memory would kick in, but for me it seemed a bit of an odd design choice; the thing is fucking tiny. The recoil was considerably harder than both 9mm guns; my secco at Kapooka described me as having 'muppet arms', so I guess that didn't help, but it did kick quite hard. The sights were okay, but I personally prefer the P85's. The first round ripped the guys out of my target's centre (it had a pretty big hole in it before, but this doubled its size somehow), and as far as I can tell each subsequent round passed through the resultant gaping hole. It was pretty awesome, but I'm not sure if I'd consider it ideal for me. Naturally, more shoots would be required to decide, and I also have little chance of getting a handgun of any sort while still in Australia; however the P85 made a very good impression, to the point where it'd be my first consideration for a CCW if I was in any position to get one.

No camera-PC link cable at the moment, so photos of the targets will have to wait; should be doing one last lot of shooting on Thursday before I go see the Oilers play (and hopefully fucking win, since only the Canadian juniors have delivered in that regard so far... even the Flames lost when we went to go see them).

My little sister also did pretty well with the P85, she seemed to like it. At this point I'd certainly recommend trying one out, as they're very accurate and a pleasure to shoot once you get beyond the rather clumsy controls.

tl; dr, but I do love to shoot clay pigeons with my dad's 12 gauge. The guy knows how to make a good purchase; I'm gonna buy me the exact same shotgun once I have the money. Except I'm gonna make sure to clean and oil mine before I use it so it doesn't jam after every other shot. :P

my dad somehow managed to acquire a semiautomatic ak47 with an 80 round drum magazine and two 30 round banana magazines with 1600 rounds of 7.62 armor piercing ammunition. dont ask me how, but he did. we took it to the one shooting range in rhode island and i deicded that it would be fun to shoot it at one of those little metal flapper things designed for .22 that spin when you shoot them. so i did. yeah, it put a near perfectly round hole in the thing and blew it about 40 feet into the air and about 30 feet away from where i had originally placed it.

then i blew up a cinder block with 12 gauge 00 buck. am i cool now?

I shoot people.

Photographically. :reaper:

I just had a nice bonding moment with my dad the other day. His father passed away almost 10 years ago, and he kept his dad's pistol. Has all the old bullets and everything but has never fired it. Dad also has a spare handgun we got recently (it's a long story, but our family sued a guy for some money, we won, he left threatening phone calls, we bought a gun).

I asked my dad the other day if he'd be willing to teach me how to shoot (considering it would probably be beneficial to at least learn the basics for safety purposes). My dad made this face: :gonk: and then was all :D and said he had been meaning to ask me anyway. So when the weather gets nice, TOTALLY going to the shooting range with my dad and uncle. :)

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my dad somehow managed to acquire a semiautomatic ak47 with an 80 round drum magazine and two 30 round banana magazines with 1600 rounds of 7.62 armor piercing ammunition. dont ask me how, but he did. we took it to the one shooting range in rhode island and i deicded that it would be fun to shoot it at one of those little metal flapper things designed for .22 that spin when you shoot them. so i did. yeah, it put a near perfectly round hole in the thing and blew it about 40 feet into the air and about 30 feet away from where i had originally placed it.

then i blew up a cinder block with 12 gauge 00 buck. am i cool now?

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You'd be surprised how often I hear about people firing at those things with full-on rifles, not really thinking about the results.

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I just had a nice bonding moment with my dad the other day. His father passed away almost 10 years ago, and he kept his dad's pistol. Has all the old bullets and everything but has never fired it. Dad also has a spare handgun we got recently (it's a long story, but our family sued a guy for some money, we won, he left threatening phone calls, we bought a gun).

I asked my dad the other day if he'd be willing to teach me how to shoot (considering it would probably be beneficial to at least learn the basics for safety purposes). My dad made this face: :gonk: and then was all :D and said he had been meaning to ask me anyway. So when the weather gets nice, TOTALLY going to the shooting range with my dad and uncle. :)

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The landscaper, I presume? Glad you managed to sue, he had it coming.

A friend from High Prarie came along with me tonight, although a combination of picking an M9 and having absolutely no prior instruction in pistol shooting at all (not even any real indication from games or movies :gonk:), she didn't do quite so well, being used to shotguns and rifles. Once you get the basics down, though, it's pretty easy; you just need to find a gun that's right for you, and in my case that seems to be the P85 so far. As much as I love other pistols like the 1911, it almost seems like it was made for me.

A couple of years ago when my dad and I visited Arkansas it snowed about a foot and a half, ironically, so we made a snowman and shot a hole clean through its center with 20 gauge birdshot. It was really amazing, actually, it was just a perfect cylinder 20 centimeters in diameter straight through the middle ball of the snowman. The whole thing finally collapsed when we shot its head off.

That year we also tried out some sort of rifle- I have no idea what type or caliber it was. I fired it at a target about 15 cm off the ground a good 50 to 100 meters away. The shockwave from the bullet cleared a perfectly straight path through the snow the whole way. It was awesome. I missed, tho.

These days I'm pretty accurate with my dad's shotgun, but for some reason I can't hit shit with my uncle's shotgun. I think it's the way the sights are set up relative to the stock; I always seem to go way too high or way too low. With my dad's I've taken to leaving the shotgun down, having the launcher launch two skeet simultaneously after a random amount of time, and then taking them both out on the upswing. I love shooting skeet.

Rossmum, did they not have an MK23 in 45 ACP? I assumed you tried the USP because it was so similar to the MK23? We should have gone to The Shooting Edge while you were in town.

I've fired both in 45 ACP at the local range and I find that the USP is just sub-par when it comes to the MK23. The MK23 is like the bigger (and more expensive, $2,100 in Canada) brother of the USP, it seems to be made better and it functions a lot smoother. My groupings on target were better with the MK23 than the USP and I put it down to the fact that the MK23 is a heavier gun, therefore after firing there's a better chance that it will return properly.

I've mostly been shooting the Browning High Power to get ready for the Reserves and rack up some range time, nothing to special about it and I'd prefer to take one of my own handguns into theater if I ever go... But that won't happen.

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Rossmum, did they not have an MK23 in 45 ACP? I assumed you tried the USP because it was so similar to the MK23? We should have gone to The Shooting Edge while you were in town.

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Actually it was more a case of wanting to try out the USP in this case.

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I've mostly been shooting the Browning High Power to get ready for the Reserves and rack up some range time, nothing to special about it and I'd prefer to take one of my own handguns into theater if I ever go... But that won't happen.

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I've been wanting to try out the HP for ages.

I might just H&K whore this week when I go (it happens after I play airsoft, lol) but if I play with the BHP I'll get a pic for you! :)

They even have a MK II with the polycarbonate grip and better sights:
http://www.enemyforces.net/firearms/browninghp_2.jpg

If our forces used these instead of the MK I's I wouldn't be so pissy about them.

I'm looking to buy both a pistol and a rifle. Throw me a cheap yet decent pair I could buy. California, so whatever restrictions apply.

I like the M1911 or a Glock...but idk.

Good thread, considering i just got my NRA membership card in the mail yesterday...still waiting on that "free shooting bag gift".

My old man has been keeping me in guns the past few years. Keep getting them as christmas presents. The only thing bad about that is christams is after hunting season lol.

few years ago I got a Remington 900 12ga (up to 3.5" mag), mossy synthetic stock w/ pistol grip. got a chance to shoot some clay with it a few months ago and did terrible, most were in the dirt. I really like how the gun feels and i'm going to make a point to get out for spring gobbler this year.

this past christmas he gave me a Remington 7mm black synth. It comes factory with a 3lb pull, believe me it's touchy but it's fully adjustable. The stock is a junior size, which, although i don't need it, makes the gun much lighter and a better fit when you've got your your camo and orange on. I can pull it up dead on fully dressed in my super-cold-weather gear.

I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet. Although i suck with open sites i'm deadly with a scope. just have to spend the money for mounts and maybe a Leupold. I've also never owned a brand new rifle before and i'd thought i'd season the barrel by using 1 shot clean for 10 rounds, 2 shots clean for 10, and 3 shots clean for 12, and then maybe fire 3 or 4 boxes through it while sighting it in. Any thoughts on that?

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I'm looking to buy both a pistol and a rifle. Throw me a cheap yet decent pair I could buy. California, so whatever restrictions apply.

I like the M1911 or a Glock...but idk.

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Get a 1911 and an M14, M14's are epic guns.

I fell in love with the German mauser rifle. My grandpa brought it to the shooting range for me to play with and it was just amazing. I don't know exactly what model number it was but it looked like this:
http://www.glenbow.org/images/img-co...arms-hig-5.jpg
It was so much fun to shoot, and the action was nice and smooth. In stark contrast to the m38 mosin nagant, which had a really sticky action and far more recoil despite not firing a bigger round. I also fired my grandpa's SKS rifles (he has 6 of them, I only fired 2). One of them is a legit one thats seen its fair share of action. It has graffiti in a couple different languages from all the soldiers its served. Beautiful weapon, wish I had pics of it. I hit a gong at 200 meters with it.

Okay. I also have my grandpa's Type 38 Arisaka Carbine I need to get restored badly before it's useless. How much are those refurbished M1 Garand's and aren't M14s expensive?

My Enfield shoots to the right, though that may just be the because of the fact that the target was too close for the sights, and notch sights aren't the most accurate anyways.

Still, thing kicks firmly but not obnoxiously. Bolt needs some more wearing in.

Also, Federal Ammunition is dirty. Just in case any of you use it.

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Okay. I also have my grandpa's Type 38 Arisaka Carbine I need to get restored badly before it's useless. How much are those refurbished M1 Garand's and aren't M14s expensive?

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M14s are a tad expensive and a little on the heavy side if you go with a wood stock. I haven't personally used a Springfield Armory M1A rifle, but they're basically the same as an issued M14.

I've wanted one of these for awhile since they're Non-Restricted and would be great for hunting. $1,640 USD, which is $640 CAD more than the Browning BAR LongTrac 30-06 we just bought if you factor in the CAD conversion rate.

Since you're in the USA though, you could probably get an issued M14 for relatively cheaper if you look around...

Garands are supposed to be cheap now as South Korea recently flooded the market with surplus rifles. M14s are probably still a bit pricey, though.

I'd love to have a nice Garande. There was one at the Cabela's near here but it was in shit condition. There was also an old old mauser for sale but the swastika's had been ground off, making it practically worthless.

I would fucking love an M1, too bad I can't get one.

still just .22 plinking. Haven't found the handgun i want, or if i'll get a shotgun instead. I liked the Steyr MA1 a lot, though. I also liked the para ordinance warthog. Wasn't so big on the Beretta, but they have a long standing history of reliability and all. So, I dunno.

My grandpa's got an M1 garand too (he has like 40 rifles). I was surprised by how ridiculously heavy it was in comparison to every other rifle of the same era. The steel butt-plate, definitely designed to smash some faces

guns are good. got a lovely range of firearms in my closet, all of which are in nice condition, though i don't get out to shoot as often as i'd like. it's hard to drive the 20 miles to the range when you're low on cash/gas.

btw, never, ever buy ammunition produced by Federal. i have never EVER had/seen so many misfires in my entire life.

fake e: why buy an m-14 when you can buy a brand new springfield M1A (you know, ignoring the whole historical value).

edit: btw, anyone know of a website that ships m1 parts for cheap and is reliable? i'm fucking sick of dealing with the assholes at the gun shows.

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The landscaper, I presume? Glad you managed to sue, he had it coming.

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After we won the case, we got a few VERY threatening phone calls from him saying that we should "watch our backs." So we bought a gun. He won't be steppin round here. :realsmug:

He owes us approximately $6,500 in damages, but won't pay up. We went to the magistrate to put a lien on anything he owns (like his truck) but for some reason we can't seem to get them to collect it. We think it might be a friend of a friend type deal, that's what we get for living in a small town.

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Once you get the basics down, though, it's pretty easy; you just need to find a gun that's right for you, and in my case that seems to be the P85 so far.

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I expressed to my dad that I was concerned about the kick of a handgun. I don't have a lot of upper body strength, I'm not a strong girl, so I was worried I would end up like this.

He didn't tell me what sort of gun we're talking (I have not seen either one we own), but he assured me that the kick would be minimal. I'm still a bit nervous. I'll have to ask him what kind of guns they are. I thought he said one was a .38 caliber, but he HATES revolvers and when I google it the only guns I can find are just that. *shrug*

I am a competitive Trap shooter. I shoot Beretta most of the time but every now and then I'll break out my old Ithaca. I am also an avid rifle marksmen and hunter. Me and my dad go to Montana once a year to hunt elk. A black powder muzzleloader is also my gun of choice for Iowa whitetail season.

My dad is a gunsmith and gun collector so I grew up around this stuff.

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fake e: why buy an m-14 when you can buy a brand new springfield M1A (you know, ignoring the whole historical value).

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That and you can probably get one cheaper if you look around.

@Horns: lol Blackpowder, fucking hate muzzle loaders... So inaccurate.

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I expressed to my dad that I was concerned about the kick of a handgun. I don't have a lot of upper body strength, I'm not a strong girl, so I was worried I would end up like this.

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I literally have muppet arms. You probably have more upper-body strength than I do.

9mm Para barely kicks. .40 S&W does, but not enough to cause pain or injury unless you aren't holding onto it at all. Not sure about .38 but it can't be too bad. Don't be a retard and get a Desert Eagle or S&W 500 or some other ridiculous gun and you should be fine, trust me.

So this gun here is a family heirloom.






Its a merwin hulbert second army revolver. Its really a beautiful little thing. It even has a unique mechanism for loading and unloading. When loading in shells, a little gate on the right of the gun covering the drum is flicked down, revealing the chambers for you to insert the rounds. When unloading, the entire barrel along with the drum is rotated 90 degrees clockwise, and pulled forward. This creates just enough of a gap between the drum and the gate to allow spent shells to fall out. Unused rounds are too long to fall out, and will remain in their respective chambers. Bloody fucking brilliant. Its over 100 years old and fired black powder rounds so naturally we dont fire it anymore.

Not many people I've spoken to have even heard of merwin hulbert. Heres some info on them for anyone interested.

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wat up with ya
u got a problem, bre?

sorry, couldn't resist!
Very interesting. You could take that to the antiques roadshow in a few years, haha.

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@Horns: lol Blackpowder, fucking hate muzzle loaders... So inaccurate.

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That is so wrong. I make accurate 300 yard shots no problem with my TC.

if i were to ever get a gun i'd merk some ocelot shit

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That is so wrong. I make accurate 300 yard shots no problem with my TC.

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lol 300 yards, that's spitting distance for our hunting rifles. We take shots around the 800 yard range when we're deer hunting.

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lol 300 yards, that's spitting distance for our hunting rifles. We take shots around the 800 yard range when we're deer hunting.

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That's not hunting, that's massacring :P. Close-range hunting is so much more fun than sitting off 400+ yards and plinking them off. Try bowhunting less than 200 yards away from a bear in a tree 20+ feet off the ground. That's exhilarating b/c if the bear gets mad and decides to attack where you're at... let's just say they can climb trees... really fast. :P

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lol 300 yards, that's spitting distance for our hunting rifles. We take shots around the 800 yard range when we're deer hunting.

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what kind of 'hunting' rifles are these again? lol

My set up for elk was 14" @ 400yds (500yd max) with Federal 185gr ballistic tips in a 30-06. Deer season would be 1" @ 100yds (300yds max) with some cheap Rem. Core-Lokt. I'm 99.9% sure of a takedown shot up to those ranges and that I won't be wounding any game as it gets away.

I certainly wouldn't take any 300 yard chances with a muzzle-loader nor 800 yard chances with a deer rifle when i'm hunting. Just a thought.

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Its really a beautiful little thing.

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buck hunting with rifles is overrated. while i do enjoy shooting, and yes, hunting with a rifle, i find it much more enjoyable to go buck hunting with a bow.

anyone else here manly enough to own recurves + use them for hunting?
*if you do not own a recurve, but own a compound, do not reply. also no cross bows.

Tried a 1911 today, firing .45 ACP hollowpoints. Handled nicely, felt about as 'right' as any handgun could. I didn't shoot as accurately as the P85 but I shot more consistently - as far as I can tell, only two rounds landed outside the target area, and not by much. The rest were dispersed pretty evenly within it. Maybe not the most accurate of handguns, but certainly the nicest I've shot so far. It feels good and solid, the controls make sense, the sights are adequate, it has a lot of power but considerably tame recoil at the same time, and it's pretty reliable.

I've always been pretty fond of the 1911 (in fact I have a tendency to lord it over every other handgun ever made), and it's proven my faith was not misplaced. Without a doubt the first priority on my wishlist should I get myself a pistol license.

In other news, my post-war, never-fired, absolute-fucking-mint No.4 Mk.I (with sling and spike bayonet) should be on the way soon! For real this time! :neckbeard:

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lol 300 yards, that's spitting distance for our hunting rifles. We take shots around the 800 yard range when we're deer hunting.

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That's not the point. You said accurate. You didn't accurate at 700 yards. Muzzle loaders aren't made and don't need to be made to be accurate at 700 yards. It's the same Idea of a pistol not being accurate at 700 yards.

Besides, the knock-down power of a .54 caliber slug is greater than that of a .30-06. Has nothing to do with muzzle energy or that, has everything to do with the impact distribution on the target.

Gauiz! I PLEH Call of doody i know a lot abut gunz! MY FAVRITOE GUN IS THE 50CAL I USE IT ALL THE TIME. IT's so realizticz.

Except I don't play CoD (not a single one of them) do know a lot about guns...what you playin' at?

You shoot a man in the torso at 100m with a 7.62x63 and it'll overpenetrate and go right through him. Shoot him in the torso at 100m with a .54 caliber black-powder round of the appropriate charge for your weapon, and he's gone. It will leave a gaping, ugly wound.

I cap foos if they dissin mah fly girl.

I've always had an obsession with guns due to all the action movies and video games I've seen. However I'm not an idiot and I know the very basics of gun safety; took a field trip to an FBI office once and they took us into an armory or something, passed an empty pistol around (too young to recognize what make and model it was) and told us the number one rule of gun safety: Always act as if a gun is loaded/has a death beam coming out of the barrel.

Later in life my father's buddy took us out back into the woods with a couple of rifles and we took turns shooting at a target, again no idea what kinds of rifles they were, besides single-shot, bolt-action. One's caliber was high enough to knock me flat on my ass if I fired it, so they wouldn't let me touch it.

Right now all I have is a shitty wal-mart airsoft pistol I use to shoot cans on occasion and if I'm feeling creative, as a reference for 3d animation. I'd like to get a real handgun, my permit, and waste some time at a range. Though, I like the looks of popular models like the Colt 1911, Beretta 92, and HK USP, and those are fucking expensive.

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Colt 1911, Beretta 92, and HK USP, and those are fucking expensive.

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You can find deals on common guns all the time. Plus pawn shops and even chain stores like Gander Mtn., Bass Pro, and Cabelas usually carry used firearms, many in good condition.

I saw a site with a 1911 with that chrome finish (match version?) for only $675?

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I've always had an obsession with guns due to all the action movies and video games I've seen. However I'm not an idiot and I know the very basics of gun safety; took a field trip to an FBI office once and they took us into an armory or something, passed an empty pistol around (too young to recognize what make and model it was) and told us the number one rule of gun safety: Always act as if a gun is loaded/has a death beam coming out of the barrel.

Later in life my father's buddy took us out back into the woods with a couple of rifles and we took turns shooting at a target, again no idea what kinds of rifles they were, besides single-shot, bolt-action. One's caliber was high enough to knock me flat on my ass if I fired it, so they wouldn't let me touch it.

Right now all I have is a shitty wal-mart airsoft pistol I use to shoot cans on occasion and if I'm feeling creative, as a reference for 3d animation. I'd like to get a real handgun, my permit, and waste some time at a range. Though, I like the looks of popular models like the Colt 1911, Beretta 92, and HK USP, and those are fucking expensive.

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Just get a bog-standard 1911, you can't go wrong.

can get them used in decent condition for roughly 200/300 if you look around.

I'd like a nice 1911 for myself too. I think having a mauser and a 1911 would be all the gun owning I'll ever need until I inherit my grandpa's vast collection (50+ guns, most of which are antique and worth quite a bit)

When it comes to hunting, you don't want a gigantic muzzle-loader because it'll rip through and destroy all the meat. That and they're impractical to reload and generally boring from a shooters perspective.

Whenever we take shots past 600 yards we generally use our .30-06 or Al takes it with his .270 (Ex-Ranger sniper, I've personally seen him drop a deer with 1 shot at 793 yards using the .270). He's taught me a thing or two about shooting long shots so it's not that big of a deal.

I went bear hunting once with Al back when he had his bow, I was a hunting youngun at the time so I just followed him mostly. He took a Black Bear at about 14 yards that year and it was pretty exhilarating I admit, I just don't like it because bow hunting is too slow paced.

90% of the time when we're hunting we just walk through the forest with out rifles until we come across some deers/elk/moose, the only time we take those long shots is during the beginning of the season and we know where the deers are on the first day out because we scouted them the week before season opened.

I've have a wide variety of hunting styles and experience under my belt now, I know what it's like, no need to tell me and then contradict me.

I just finished a month of Marine Combat Training in Camp Geiger, NC. Threw practice grenades (detonator, no filler), a live grenade (which, as a protip, is LOUD. Seriously, I thought it was a nuclear explosion.), shot the M203 Grenade Launcher, the M249 SAW, the M240 Bravo (the tracers shot from the latter two started a brushfire in the field we were shooting into), an AT4 (although it was a 9mm tracer fired from an apparatus inset in the launcher, not an actual rocket), and did a whole lot more shooting with an M16 using an ACOG and an infrared laser with NVG's. And also some blank and sim (i.e. paintball) rounds in mock combat.

The only drawback of the whole experience? It was damn cold. Like fifteen degrees cold in the morning and night.

dole? a marine?

Thats cool. Post more gun experiences. also vids.

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Cold is better than hot, believe me. We were out on the range for five or six hours a pop in 40-45 degree heat, full sun, and with a hot, dry wind. When we went to pick up our Steyrs after the range clearance we just about burned ourselves on them because the OD composite furniture absorbs heat so rapidly. Of course, then there were the two dudes who actually burned their necks on the hot barrels during the weapon inspection :allears:

Our section commander told us about how him and a bunch of other tankies actually set half of the Coltana range on fire using tracers a few years back (Coltana is fucking huge)... the fireys weren't impressed.

Agree, cold is a lot better than hot when you're doing almost any kind of military training... To a degree obviously, -40 and colder is debatable depending on the gear and previous cold weather training you've had.

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Cold is better than hot, believe me.

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Well, gosh, even we had 45 degrees at high noon. <:maddowns:>
But then again it wasn't centigrade.

Yeah, the heat can knock people out just like that no problem. My first month at Parris Island was still summer weather, and guys were dropping left and right. But at MCT in the morning you don't want to get up because the air is freezing not an inch away from the opening of your sleeping bag. Then you climb into clothes that you were wearing and sweating in the whole week (or in my case, most of the month). Then you've got to be in formation extra early to sit around and wait for an hour until you step for the range you're going to that day. Your toes and fingers sting like a bitch until you're well into walking, and before you know it you're sitting on the cold, damp ground and waiting a whole lot longer.

Glad I'm in California now and for the next year. Weather was as close to perfect as I could imagine today, and I've got the most ridiculous view of the desert and the surrounding mountains from where I am, even the snow-capped Sierra Nevada ninety minutes away on the horizon. Kind of landscape I've spent a lifetime in New York City dreaming about.

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dole? a marine?
Thats cool. Post more gun experiences. also vids.

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Gun experiences? 5.56 blanks + no earplugs = 5.56 live rounds + earplugs. 7.62 live rounds + earplugs = 5.56 live rounds + no earplugs = ears will hurt. 7.62 live rounds + no earplugs = ears won't feel a damned thing for a good half hour.

Vids? Didn't have a camera in boot camp (being that it was boot camp) or MCT (being that we weren't allowed to carry personal electronics). Most I've got is a picture of me holding an M16/M203 that my mother took before I left for MOS school. It's just me posing with it, as it was taken at an exibitory display for the visiting families, so if you're expecting something really cool, it aint it. Don't expect I'll be doing much shooting until I have to requalify in six months. I don't know. Maybe later, but that's the deal for now.

Yeah, kind of bummed that I missed the platoon, section and individual photos (due to hospitalisation). I'll have to wait for the obligatory badass-with-rifle shots.

Finally got camera-PC link cable, owing to being at parents' place. Soon as we hit San Fran the heat was unbearable. Stepping off in Sydney, I was more than a little tempted to go find the next flight back to Canada and sneak on. Anyway, less bitching, more target photos:

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First target. First time firing a handgun, first time using ironsights - Ruger P85, 9mm Para. Approx. 50-60 rounds fired at something around 10 yards (possibly 15). Shot on Jan 15th.

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Second shoot; H&K USP in 9mm Para, same setup. Not sure if this was the pistol's doing or my own, but I guess it just wasn't made for me. Jan 25th.

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Being disappointed with my results, I traded in the USP for the same P85 I'd shot previously. After expending all my ammo with much better results, the range supervisor let me put a mag through a Glock in .40 S&W. As far as I can tell, most if not all of the rounds I fired from the Glock went through the huge fuck-off hole in the centre.

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Colt M1911. I am well and truly in love. Jan 28th, last shoot before leaving.

Sorry for the low res; Dad has bloody terrible satellite internet and will not be impressed if I blow his upload/download quota in the one evening.

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Yeah, kind of bummed that I missed the platoon, section and individual photos (due to hospitalisation). I'll have to wait for the obligatory badass-with-rifle shots.

Finally got camera-PC link cable, owing to being at parents' place. Soon as we hit San Fran the heat was unbearable. Stepping off in Sydney, I was more than a little tempted to go find the next flight back to Canada and sneak on. Anyway, less bitching, more target photos:


First target. First time firing a handgun, first time using ironsights - Ruger P85, 9mm Para. Approx. 50-60 rounds fired at something around 10 yards (possibly 15). Shot on Jan 15th.


Second shoot; H&K USP in 9mm Para, same setup. Not sure if this was the pistol's doing or my own, but I guess it just wasn't made for me. Jan 25th.


Being disappointed with my results, I traded in the USP for the same P85 I'd shot previously. After expending all my ammo with much better results, the range supervisor let me put a mag through a Glock in .40 S&W. As far as I can tell, most if not all of the rounds I fired from the Glock went through the huge fuck-off hole in the centre.


Colt M1911. I am well and truly in love. Jan 28th, last shoot before leaving.

Sorry for the low res; Dad has bloody terrible satellite internet and will not be impressed if I blow his upload/download quota in the one evening.

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West Edmonton Mall? Isn't that like the biggest mall in the world? I've been there, place was tight...

I don't think it is THE biggest in the world anymore, but it is one of the largest and most certainly in the top 5. He was in Edmonton for a few weeks, hence him being there... I usually go up once or twice a year, water park/wave pool is fucking amazing.

Oh god the USP groupings... You were most likely shooting at 15 yards, that's what the guys at The Shooting Edge have been setting me up at.

I'm down to a 3.5" grouping with the BHP MK2 as of this morning!

Yeah, I honestly don't know what happened with the USP. For starters I didn't like the sights nearly as much as any of the others; not sure what else did it. Either way, the 1911 more than met my expectations and the P85 was just great. Hopefully I'll be able to find a pistol club and then get a Class H, so I can get in some more practice. If I can put at least 80% of my rounds through an inch-wide radius, I'll be pretty content with that.

I fired a nagant m1895 and it was pretty fun. Wonky loading mechanism and stuff. I wish I'd taken a look at the target board before switching to rifle shooting. wonder how I did.

When it comes to sights, my favorite are by far fiber optic sights... Great for low light.

Truth be told however, I'm pretty shitty with the MK23, though I've only put 150 or so rounds down range with it...

Enfield should be sorted inside a month. Stay tuned.

I DON'T CARE IF I'M DOUBLE POSTING,

http://www.modacity.net/forums/pictu...pictureid=1541
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What did you pull that beauty from? Backstop? Or testing material?

The body of one of his victims.

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What did you pull that beauty from? Backstop? Or testing material?

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Backstop.

Also, No.4 Mk.1 get :woop:

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Backstop.

Also, No.4 Mk.1 get :woop:

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No. 1 Mk. III* get. Nation's Gun Show on Saturday here at the Dulles Expo Centre.

I'll get photos as soon as I can. It's a bit beaten up, but it shoots straight. A little work and it'll be perfect.

How's the bore look? Over here, if you did anything to it, it would decrease its value.

Intact. Looks like a fucking mirror.

So, today I had picked out a very nice Mosin Nagant M1891/30 for $110 was about to pay, then remembered I had forgotten a second form of ID and the seller was a federally licensed dealer...fml. :saddowns: It even came with a serial matching bayonet, magazine pouches, the oil bottle, and a sling...gotte damnit.

In related news, they had an MN that was so old the sights were graduated in lines instead of metres...o_O.

So I just found out about this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axSbd4hd8J4
Seems like a great idea combined with a 416 Barrett/408 Cheytac and one of these: http://www.opticsplanet.net/bushnell...pe-204124.html

Of course a higher magnification optic would be preferred, but on a semi-automatic firearm it could turn out to be a useful military optics system. Especially since the ability to adjust is such a big factor in sniping situations.

Yeah, I picked up a Barrett mag while I was in Canada and the thing was omnipresent. Just about every photo had a BORS in it somewhere.

The BORS really seems like a good idea. The only question I have is about how rugged it is, seeing as how this hunting season I managed to break scope rings clean off my Remington 742.

Damn, thats pretty cool. all it needs is an ammo counter :iamafag:

so my local gun store just got in a pristine condition m-14. it's actually only 1100 and they let me put it on layaway! i should be finished paying it off in three months, so now my new Springfield m1a will have some elder company in my gun safe :D

apparently the gun was issued during vietnam but only saw a couple weeks of service.

Fucking nice :haw:

Photos required, naturally.

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you know it baby. next time i make it up to the gun store, i'll have to remember to take my camera :D.

Found a couple of M1 carbines... subject to prior sale...

i would've put that shit on layaway.

only 500 bucks. :c

I need somebody to tell me where I could get a Type 38 Arisaka Carbine looked at and possibly restored...I can't grab pics atm though.

How much are you going to pay for the Arisaka? I would recommend not getting one. While they are very cool to collect, the ammo is hard to come by, the calibers aren't especially great, and the rifle itself isn't particularly well designed.

I wouldn't be paying for it, my grandfather brought it back from the war. I just want it to be restored to a decent quality, maybe shoot it once or twice and then get it sealed in a case with other mementos like his medals and chevrons.

I'd suggest looking for gunsmiths in your area. Check yellow pages for some and then go driving around. Thats the only thing I can think of.

Yeah I went to one and he couldn't think of anyone local so I was wondering if anyone had a website link or someone that they know. Real bust the thing is a piece of history and I don't want it to rust away.

I dunno if Japanese ammo was corrosive or not, but you'd best clean it out properly just in case. Better safe than sorry. .303 is, and so unless you want a very fucked-up rifle, you need to pour boiling water through after you go shooting. As counter-intuitive as that may seem, it's the best way to get the crap out. :eng101:

Or just buy this:
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=117348

So I went to the range today to re-sight-in our 30-06 since I played with the scope a bit and guess what somebody brought along?





Yup, a Canadian-legal Non-Restricted Tavor (TAR-21) without the MARS sight (since it's classified as a "warfare implement" by Canadian Customs). As soon as the guy brought it out some girl down the line from us asked her grandfather what kind of gun it was, he didn't know so I spoke up and let them know. The guy with the Tavor heard this and decided to let me fire off a few rounds (50ish) since I seemed to know what I was talking about, I was even able to teach him how to lock the bolt back since he didn't quite know how himself!





I realize there's no magazine in the Tavor and the bolt is locked back for the pics, that's because I just got the pics as we were leaving as an after-thought. There are only 15-20 of these guns in Canada at the moment. The gun was really awesome, unfortunately it was so new that the owner hadn't had a chance to zero-in the dot sight he had attached so none of my shots went where I told them to... Gun has an amazing weight and feel, the operation was stellar and smooth, and the kick was hardly noticeable since it's only .223 Rem (5.56 NATO)!

thats neat.

I'm going to a range friday, my grandpa's bringing along his m1. pretty excited to play with it.

I shot an M4 for the first time last weekend. Wasn't zeroed, so had to compensate. 5.56 has more kick than I thought it would, and on the M4 it had almost as much as my .308 Enfield.

Only other 5.56's I've shot are the Canadian Forces C7, M16, M4, and HK416. The Tavor blew them all out of the water, handling was way superior, it was rock solid and didn't feel like it was going to rattle apart like the C7/M16/M4, and it shot way smoother. I just finished up watching the MAGPUL Dynamics "Art of the Tactical Carbine" DVD the other day, so I tried to apply some of the shooting techniques from there to this as well, Chris Costa's stance tips enabled me to re-acquire my targets a lot faster after each shot.

Basically you need to hold your rifle in such a way that the recoil moves straight back instead of up, when we're hunting it doesn't really matter since the first shot is usually the only shot that matters, but when I was shooting the Tavor it was nice to keep the dot on target even if it wasn't actually zeroed at all.

This Tavor was literally the nicest rifle I've ever shot though... Would totally buy one if I could hunt with it, silly Canadian law (the gun is Non-Restricted for some reason, so that bit of the law says I can use it for hunting. Except the caliber is .223 Remington/5.56 NATO which is not a legitimate round for hunting up here)! :allears:

In that case, I need some srs practise.

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I shot an M4 for the first time last weekend. Wasn't zeroed, so had to compensate. 5.56 has more kick than I thought it would, and on the M4 it had almost as much as my .308 Enfield.

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I thought the M4 had very little kick. My grouping was so tight, too bad I only got to shoot about 15 rounds.

Fell in love with the Springfield 1911 .45, but I really hated the SIG P226 .40, alot. I was thinking of getting a Glock next time and see how that goes, if anyone can recommend a fun caliber for it.

the glock 20 was fun. not super hard core awesome, but fun.

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I thought the M4 had very little kick. My grouping was so tight, too bad I only got to shoot about 15 rounds.

Fell in love with the Springfield 1911 .45, but I really hated the SIG P226 .40, alot. I was thinking of getting a Glock next time and see how that goes, if anyone can recommend a fun caliber for it.

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Shooting off-hand by necessity. :saddowns:.

ewww tavor. Stupid Israelis. It's impossible NOT to fall in love with the 1911. Worst hand gun I've ever fired is probably the Walther P22. It had pretty piss poor grouping, even after being cleaned again. I'm savin up for an M14 at this point. Can't wait. <3 it so much.

I want a 1911 and an m14. Weapons from a better time, when villains spoke german and a woman knew her place

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I want a 1911 and an m14. Weapons from a better time, when villains spoke german Russian/Vietnamese/Chinese and a woman knew her place

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FTFY.

My dad just got a Rock River RRA LAR 6.8 Mid length

Its a little different from the one on the site, but thats the model

Ill post pics next time he has it out. Its a surprise for when we go shooting in July for my brother. mostly likely the pic will be from then. I got to shoot 3 rounds in teh back yard today and it was pretty kick ass.

the deer he'll be hunting are obviously VC deer. he's definitely gonna need that rifle. tell him to pick up a new hand gun for the tunnels.

hes got 4, no need for another